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    Posted: October 07 2014 at 10:51am
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Spanish Officials Threaten to Euthanize Dog of Ebola Patient


The husband of a Spanish nurse who was diagnosed with Ebola is in a battle to save the couple's dog — after reportedly receiving a request from Madrid health officials that the dog be euthanized.

Javier Limon Romero, whose wife Teresa Romeo recently tested positive for Ebola, posted a plea for the dog's life to the Facebook page of Villa Pepa Protective Association, a Spanish animal protection organization. In the post, he describes a request from health officials that he allow for his dog to be euthanized while the dog is in quarantine.

According to Limon Romero's own account, his dog has been left in his apartment while his wife is being treated for the Ebola virus, which she contracted while working as a nurse in a Madrid hospital.



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Hello, my name is Javier Limon Romero, I'm the husband of Teresa Romero Ramos, the nurse infected with Ebola for treating voluntarily two infected patients who were sent back to Spain.

I want to publicly denounce a man named Zarco, whom I believe is the chief health officer of the Community of Madrid, told me that they have to sacrifice my dog just like that, with no explanation. He asked for my consent, which I denied strongly. He said that they will ask for a court order to enter in my house and sacrifice the dog.

Before going to the hospital, I left the dog a few buckets of water, and the bathtub also with water, as well as a bag of food of 15kg so that he'd have food and water. I also left the door to the balcony open so that he can take care of his needs.

I think it's unfair that for a mistake they made they now want to solve it this way.

A dog should not be contagious to a person and vice versa. If they are so worried with this issue I think we can find another type of alternative solutions, such as quarantining the dog and put him under observation like they did with me. Or should they sacrifice me as well just in case?



In an interview with Spanish newspaper El Mundo, Limon Romero said that health officials told him "that if I do not give my consent, they will seek a court order and go into the house by force to kill the dog." Limon Romero is currently under quarantine

A Change.org petition asking that the dog be spared had received tens of thousands of signatures by Wednesday afternoon.

Three other people have been placed under quarantine after the nurse tested positive for the deadly virus. She is believed to be the first person to have contracted the Ebola virus while outside of Africa.

More than 50 others are being monitored as experts attempt to figure out why Spain's anti-infection practices failed. Health authorities are investigating how the nursing assistant, part of a special team that cared for a Spanish priest who died of Ebola last month, became infected.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

Topics: US & World, World Euth


Husband of Spanish nurse who was diagnosed with Ebola reportedly says he received a request from Madrid health officials that the dog be euthanized - @mashable

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I've got an idea

how about we euthanize the idiot in the Spanish health dept

who did not provide the doctors and nurses with the proper protective equipment


just a suggestionBig smile

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How about the intellectual giants that thought it was a good idea to allow the infected out of Africa?
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I remember reading on a previous post that dogs can carry Ebola and are asymptomatic. Logic would follow that if a dog can easily contract it and live with it that it could potentially pose a threat to humans. We have 3 dogs who live as family members. It would be very easy to transfer Ebola in saliva. Dogs are always licking people. 

Did you read the reports of dogs eating dead bodies of Ebola victims in Liberia? Presumably those dogs are now infectious. 

I will add that I found both my children, as toddlers, on their hands and knees with their tongues out and our dogs licking them! They were being dogs! Disgusting but true.
Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts.
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Oh I agree that the wee dog must die! I have posted info that they can carry ebola if infected. My point was don't blame the guy that must see to killing the dog rather look to those who brought Ebola to Spain.
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From what I've read, dogs don't carry it for long. Once the virus has cleared from it's system, it's not contagious anymore. Just quarantine the little guy like you would for rabies.
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They can easily quarantine the dog to make sure the animal doesn't carry it and use the situation as a learning opportunity. People often have pets and you can't go around killing everyone's animals any more than the people who get it. The problem remains with the people who keep going and coming from Ebola hot zones and the arrogance of governments who believe we can control this disease.
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Originally posted by jacksdad jacksdad wrote:

From what I've read, dogs don't carry it for long. Once the virus has cleared from it's system, it's not contagious anymore. Just quarantine the little guy like you would for rabies.


We can't contain Ebola in humans, in a modern hospital, of course we can contain Ebola in a wee dog!
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Err, yeah.
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All those doctors who would never go to Africa, but would love the opportunity to study Ebola here. That it could be contained in a modern hospital, thinking of the advances in knowledge in Ebola. With oh so little risk.   ...

They were wrong!
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We have to get you some decaf, dude. Deep breath...

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Its that 10th man syndrome thing again. I will go to the corner put on my tinfoil hat and take my meds. Thanks,
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No - this is an AFT member watching another member berating anyone that disagrees with their worst case scenario, and it's getting old. I don't know your prepping experience, but you remind me of myself a few years ago when I was convinced that H5N1 was going to take us all down. Ebola may or may not be the one (I very much doubt it), but if you burn yourself out early, you're no use to anyone when the SHTF. When I worked on an ambulance crew, we called it "pinging" - it referred to the crew member who would start to hyperventilate at the mere mention of an emergency call. Those were the guys you didn't want to work with because they'd get tunnel vision in traffic, or forget a procedure while working on a patient.
Like I said - deep breath, dude.


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Despite what you're thinking right now - my motivation is to keep you around for a long time. You're a valuable member here, and I'd hate to see you go the way of the 5500 members who didn't run the course since AFT started. This place (and prepping in general) can chew people up and spit them out if they let it. Typically each member is the only family member here because everyone else thinks they're crazy and paranoid, so several lives may depend on them staying, learning, and prepping until it's needed.

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just watch and wait  and get prepped

the genie is  out of the bottle

hopefully we can put the cork back in

if not  i think a lot of people in the 3rd world are going to suffer.....

more so than modern countries


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Are Animal Control Officers and Veterinarians dying of ebola in Africa?
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During the black death in Europe in the middle ages, people panicked and suddenly started to blame dogs, and so most of them were killed. It's only with hindsight that we realise that killing the dogs way back then made the situation worse as there was nothing left to kill the rats! 

I appreciate this is an entirely different disease, but panic can cause some strange knee jerk reactions. I'm for isolating the dog in a scientific capacity and finding out exactly how long a dog remains contagious and then returning it to its owner. 
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Originally posted by KiwiMum KiwiMum wrote:

I'm for isolating the dog in a scientific capacity and finding out exactly how long a dog remains contagious and then returning it to its owner. 
Fairest answer, safest answer in the long term. 

I do agree with euthanising that stupid official though, and the idiots who refused to test the nurse for ebola for DAYS!

Sadly the official will walk, may even get a promotion and no one in power will listen to KiwiMum.  No one ever listens when people talk sense from outside the clique of those in power.
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Rally to save Ebola nurse's dog falls short
 
       
Despite protests, the dog owned by a Spanish nurse diagnosed with Ebola has been put down, officials in Madrid said Wednesday. The animal will be incinerated, the officials said.

Earlier: A day after Madrid health officials obtained a court order to euthanize the dog owned by the Spanish nurse diagnosed with Ebola, the chorus to save him is growing louder.

Dozens of people lined up Wednesday outside Teresa Romero Ramos' home, where Excalibur, the mixed-breed dog, was left home alone by her husband, Javier Limón Romero, who is being monitored at a hospital for Ebola symptoms. A Change.org petition to save the dog has gathered more than 300,000 signatures as the hashtag #SalvemosaExcalibur — Spanish for "Let's Save Excalibur" — continues trending on Twitter.

On Tuesday, Romero penned an open letter, posted to Facebook by Villa Pepa Protective Association, an animal rights group, denouncing the Madrid health department's decision to sacrifice his dog.

"I was asked to give them my consent, but I obviously refused," Romero wrote. "He said he was going to ask for a court order to forcibly enter my home and sacrifice Excalibur."

Romero says he left the dog several buckets of water and food before coming to the hospital, where he has been quarantined along with two other people who are being observed for symptoms. Twenty-two other people who came into contact with the nurse are being closely monitored, Spanish health officials said Tuesday.

The nurse had helped treat two missionaries who contracted Ebola in West Africa and were repatriated to Spain last month. Both died shortly after arriving in Madrid. The nurse began feeling ill on Sept. 30 and was diagnosed with Ebola on Monday.

Madrid's regional government obtained a court order to euthanize their pet, saying, "available scientific knowledge suggests a risk that the mixed-breed dog could transmit the virus to humans."

"It seems unfair," Romero wrote. "If you are really worried about this problem, I think you can find another type of alternative solution, such as putting the dog in quarantine and observation, as it has me. Or maybe you will have to sacrifice me, just in case. But of course, with a dog it's easier, it doesn't matter as much."

According to the World Health Organization, more than 3,400 people have died and more than 7,400 been infected since the Ebola outbreak began in March.

Animal officials say it is not clear what risk the dog poses.

While no case of Ebola spreading to people from dogs has ever been documented, that risk is not out of the realm of possibility, Dr. Thomas Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, told the Associated Press.

While some dogs in West Africa have tested positive for the Ebola virus, they showed no signs of being infected, Michael San Filippo, media relations specialist for the American Veterinary Medical Association, told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette last month.

“There is more concern about fruit bats and nonhuman primates,” San Filippo said.



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incompetent government can't supply Spanish hospital workers with proper PPE

but they can kill your dog


yeah

sounds about right for government 


incompetent ,corrupt,and callous 

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Truly saddened to hear this.

Please God give them the wisdom to at least take samples for testing, before cremation.
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As a person who grew up and was in the immediate family vicinity of a person who personally euthanized, early on via vacuum chamber and then by lethal injection, 40,000, -yes, forty thousand, dogs and cats, I feel I can speak a bit to this subject. Almost none of those pets were ill or terminally ill. They were put down, or "to sleep" as it is called simply because no one came forward to claim or adopt them in the vary narrow window of being available. It is chokingly sad as I think back many years. I personally witnessed on multiple occasions from start to finish the death tanks operation as a child, with as many as a dozen dogs and cats together taking their dying breaths. It is what he was, as a civil servant, charged to do. No one else there wanted to do it. He did not either but he had a family to feed. He is also the same person who sold a little muttly puppy that was just about to be euthanized himself, to a certain dog trainer who named him Benji. I wished I could have seen this Espana dog spared somehow. To so many of us our pets are more human than human. To this innocent dog/pet, we are just human, all too human.
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