Tracking the next pandemic: Avian Flu Talk |
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If you would like to monitor the pandemic warning system that was created by the World Health Organization, you can simply visit this thread at any time and then just click on the link below.
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I made that link my home page in my browser. This way, each time I start my browser, I'll be able to see it (like a constant reminder).
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Oops. Just started another thread with the same purpose as this one. Guess I was redundant! -- Libby
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Do you really think that WHO will be up to speed on this, and won't be influenced any by politics?
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It is as bad as you think and they are out to get you.
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Sort of like the tremblers of 'pre-shocks' before the major quake hits, eh? I think yer right on the mark. |
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It is as bad as you think and they are out to get you.
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They won't raise ti until they can't deny it anymore. For months
I have suspected that the WHO was orchestrating a coverup. They go in
and teach countries how to minimize the death rate from H5N1 by faulty
testing. They set up outside lab test requirements. (SEA had to
send their samples to Hong Kong to be proven H5N1 positive.) What
an insane joke!
People were getting sick from some sort of horrible viral infection with a high, high temperature. They were bleeding from their mouths and developed bacterial pneumonia before they died. What did Hong Kong confirm? You got it, "No active virus detected." The patient died of pneumonia or Encyphelitis or Dengue or Yellow Fever because serum tests showed the presence of antibodies for one of those diseases. Never mind the fact that the patient who died did, indeed, have one of those diseases years earlier, and, of course would have antibodies. In Africa (Niger I believe) in November they started an aggressive innoculation campaign against Yellow Fever because people were dying by the hundreds. They inoculated a whole province and then an adjoining one, spending millions of dollars for shots. How did they know it was Yellow Fever? The WHO had tested ONE person (Who had had Yellow Fever two years before.) and found YF antibodies in that person's syrum. Thus they deduced that all the people were dying of Yellow Fever. They tested one person! ONE! Where were the tests on all the people who had died? They didn't run any. At any rate, after the inoculation campaign they tested for YF antibodies and got additional positive antibody results. They do not specify if they tested the people they gave the shots to or if they tested dead or recovered patients. There have been no further reports out of that province. You are left to wonder if the people are still dying of something. If they are still dying, the WHO will probably claim that it is measles and start a campaign to inoculate the entire province again. NOBODY has been tested for H5N1! |
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why the cover up, to what purpose
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It just occured to me. Maybe the WHO conducted inoculation
campaign was not really for Yellow Fever? Could that have been a
cover story for a trial innoculation with a Bird Flu vaccine combined
with YF vaccine to be on the up and up? WOW!
Well, maybe. Only the WHO knows for certain. I sure thought the particulars on the Yellow Fever inoculation campaign were suspect. But now, that would make sense. Does any body really know what is going on? |
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If there is an actual coverup, it has multiple purpose. 1. Economic damage avoidance (Tourism, Sales of exports.....) 2. It would avoid panic. 3. It would help line the coffers of corrupt companies that could profit from delayed continued sales of preventative items. |
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i suppose its childish to think that any gov't or business has its people's best interest at heart. i think they are not saying anything because they do not know anything, or maybe hoping they can contain this outbreak--- but i like your theory on the innoculation, that would explain a lot.
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I've discussed this subject with friends who are intelligent, highly successful and who's opinions I value very much. They are all confident in our government creating a vaccine that will prevent a pandemic proportion Bird Flu outbreak. And surprisingly (to me), they question how long Tamiflu will be effective in combating the Bird Flu. |
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The pharnacy in canada where i got my last tamiflu before the ban to suppliers by Roche emaild me and said they got another shipment and was giving previous buyers first dibs,, anyway I declined. BF will probably be resistant by the time it makes it here and if what I have isn't enough I also have 3 pounds of star anise I plan to mix the seeds with a vodka tonic and make my own steric acid. 10 - 20 drops every 3 hours at first for twodays then blablabla. I can't afford Tamiflu for everybody and now they are saying take a double dose to be effective. oh well........ The vaccine your friends are talking about will go to in this order ...the politicans, military, police, dr and nurses, first respondes, FILTY RICH FRIENDS OF THE ABOVE, then elderly kids and at risk groups supposedly, Unless your friends are in the top tier of the above they'd better provide for themselves, There are no fairy god mothers in bird flu land Edited by Corn |
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How Corn do you know star anise will help? I do know it is used in making Tamiflu. I also have anise in seed and oil.
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Has to be Star Anise. the seed from the pod. It is the main ingredent in Tamiflu Roche controls about 90% of the market of Star. As a tonic its in a crude form, not as concertrated as Tamiflu. Thought that's the best I could do for others in need as a last ditch effort. If you search wicca and oriental herbs it's used for alot of things besides spice. ************************************** Average strength is 1 part herb to 5 parts alcohol. **************************************888 A rare herb grown in China used to flavor duck dishes and treat infants for colic is at the center of a worldwide search for a cure for avian flu. **********************************************8 Expectorant, anti-spasmodic, carminative, anti-microbial, aromatic, galactogogue. Just figured I'd get some. 3 lbs for 60$. I also have the formula for tamiflu. Figured I could play with it. Know any ameture chemist? The synthesis commences from naturally available (-)-shikimic acid. The 3,4-pentylidene acetal mesylate was prepared in three steps: esterification with ethanol and thionyl chloride; ketalization with para-toluenesulfonic acid and 3-pentanone; and mesylation with triethylamine and methanesulfonyl chloride. Reductive opening of the ketal under modified Hunter conditions (JOC 1993, 58, 6756) in dichloromethane yielded an inseparable mixture of isomeric mesylates. The corresponding epoxide was formed under basic conditions with potassium bicarbonate. Using the inexpensive Lewis acid magnesium bromide diethyl etherate (commonly prepared fresh by the addition of magnesium turnings to 1,2-dibromoethane in benzene:diethyl ether), the epoxide was opened with allyl amine to yield the corresponding 1,2-amino alcohol. The water-immiscible solvents methyl tert-butyl ether and acetonitrile were used to simplify the workup procedure, which involved stirring with 1 M aqueous ammonium sulfate. Reduction on palladium, promoted by ethanolamine, followed by acidic workup yielded the deprotected 1,2-aminoalcohol. The aminoalcohol was converted directly to the corresponding allyl-diamine in an interesting cascade sequence which commenced with the unselective imination of benzaldehyde with azeotropic water removal in methyl tert-butyl ether. Mesylation, followed by removal of the solid byproduct triethylamine hydrochloride, resulted in an intermediate which was poised to undergo aziridination upon transimination with another equivalent of allylamine. With the librated methanesulfonic acid, the aziridine opened cleanly to yield a diamine which immediately underwent a second transimination. Acidic hydrolysis then removed the imine. Selective acylation with acetic anhydride (under buffered conditions, the 5-amino group is protonated owing to a considerable difference in pKa, 4.2 vs 7.9, preventing acetylation) yielded the desired N-acetylated product in crystalline form upon extractive workup. Finally, deallylation as above yielded the free base of oseltamivir which was converted to the desired oseltamivir phosphate by treatment with phosphoric acid. The final product was obtained in high purity (99.7%) and an overall yield of 17-22% from (-)-shikimic acid. Notably, the synthesis avoided the use of potentially explosive azide reagents; nonetheless, the synthesis is still considered fairly complex, as it involves a fair number of steps, the generation of three stereocenters, and complicated process chemistry. [selenium and vinilla are a few other things one can try to use. I've collected a bunch of recipies that claim to help. Edited by Corn |
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One thing that really worriesme is I see this virus being dangerous even if it dosent mutate. The bird flu will get here by the spring and even in nonmutated form it will cause finacial problems to chicken farmers and the sector that is directly related. Has anybody looked at the normal course of this virus without speculating about it changing It will migrate here and spread to then wild duck population . We can catch it just going to the neigbourhood park. The virus SPORESwill be in birdsh*t yOUR CAT CATCHES BIRDS bIRDsh*t DRIES ON HOT DAYS AND BECOMES AIRBOURNE OK MY CONCERN IN A NUTSHELL IS WHO IS STUDYING AS IT I S NOW WE KNOW THAT THE VIRUS AS IS IS NOT CONTAINED AND WE HAVE NOT QUARINTINED IT, CULLING IS INEFFECTIVE ,
THE BIGGEST SCAM HERE IS THAT WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT THE NORMAL COURSE OF EVENTS PLEASE LETS FIRST LOOK WHAT IS HAPPENING I AM NOT SAYING IT WONT MUTATE IM SAYING IS WHAT WE ARE FACING IS CHALLENGING ENOUGH AND LETS FOCUS ON IT
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HELLO!!! WELOCOME TO THE REALITY CLUB!!! Meewee |
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God Bless us all!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_star_aniseJapanese star aniseFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.Japanese star anise (Illicium anisatum, also Illicium japonicum and Illicium religiosum), is a tree similar to Chinese star anise. It is highly toxic, therefore it is not edible; instead, it has been burned as incense in Japan, where it is known as sikimi. Cases of illness, including "serious neurological effects, such as seizures", reported after using star anise tea may be a result of using this species. I. anisatum is native to Japan. It is similar to I. verum, but its fruit is smaller and with weaker odor, which is said to be more similar to cardamom than to anise. While it is poisonous and therefore unsuitable for using internally, in Chinese medicine it is used for treatment of some skin problems. Japanese star anise contains anisatin, shikimin and sikimitoxin, which cause severe inflammation of the kidneys, urinary tract and digestive organs. Other compounds present in toxic species of Illicium are safrole and eugenol, which are not present in I. verum and are used to identify its adulteration. Anisatin and its derivates are suspected of acting as strong GABA antagonists. It is impossible to recognize Chinese and Japanese star anise in its dried or processed form by its appearance only, due to morphological similarities between the species. There are cases of product recalls when products containing star anise were found to be contaminated by Japanese anise. Cases of consumers admitted to hospital with neurological symptoms after ingesting excessive doses of star anise or smaller doses of products adulterated with Japanese anise were described as well. [edit]
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For Immediate Release On September 10, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued a Consumer Advisory regarding the agency’s concerns about some cases of poisoning related to the substitution of the toxic Japanese star anise for the safe Chinese star anise. The following day many news outlets reported the story. Unfortunately, many consumers, reporters, and even natural foods and grocery industry members have become confused over FDA’s actions and the ensuing publicity, incorrectly suspecting problems with all commercially manufactured herbal teas containing star anise. Chinese star anise (scientific name Illicium verum) is a safe and flavorful component of some popular herbal tea blends, and it is also a flavor component of spice mixes used in food products. It has the same star-shape as Japanese star anise (Illicium anisatum), but the Japanese species contains some toxic compounds. The herbal tea industry has long used the safe Chinese star anise, not the Japanese material. Chinese star anise is recognized as safe for food use by the FDA, as acknowledged in FDA’s advisory. Because the two plants’ star-shaped seedpods look so much alike, the herbal tea industry many years ago developed laboratory techniques to be able to distinguish the safe Chinese star anise from the unsafe Japanese star anise. In-house quality control laboratories at herb tea companies in the “Herbal teas sold by reputable companies in the The cases of poisoning with Japanese star anise that the FDA cited were not related to herbal teas produced by reputable tea companies, Blumenthal added. Most of the poisoning cases probably involved cases where consumers purchased the toxic Japanese star anise in bulk and made their own teas. Japanese star anise has been sold for many years for its use as an ingredient in potpourris because of its shape and fragrance. It is not intended for internal use. ABC also pointed out that the public should not confuse star anise with anise, sometimes called aniseseed (Pimpinella anisum), a member of the carrot family. Anise is a safe, commonly used food flavoring that is also generally recognized as safe by the FDA. Because of its licorice-like taste, anise oil is the main ingredient used in making “licorice” candies in the About the American Botanical Council
The American Botanical Council is the nation's leading nonprofit organization addressing research and educational issues regarding herbs and medicinal plants. The 14-year-old organization occupies a 2.5 acre campus in |
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Yes you must buy the chinese veriety. the batches you order will specify chinese or japaniese. the sellers, herb stores etc. know this and are selling the chinese star anise. you want the chinese (which will be on the lable) and not the Japanise.
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does anyone have any current #'s. the who site is not up to date. thanks...
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numbers on what? hat's scary if the who site is out of date but not unexpected, they are about a month behind everything with this virus. |
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Current number of : 82 Marjo |
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nice meeting you too.
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thanks for the info marjo, my prior post was for someone who i guess got deleted
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This seems like it will be interesting We will need to keep up to date when this thing starts spreading human to human
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ninjas rule
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Thanks Corn and SophiaZoe for some great alternatives to Tamiflu. Corn,I'd appreciate reading any additional remedies that you mentioned you've collected.
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Tip of the Day
Thursday February 2, 2006. Stock up on N-95 masks while you still can. You can buy them at stores that sell medical supplies like, wheel chairs or walkers. They are not expensive, yet. Next go to the pharmacy and order any medications you need to take on a regular basis. Order as much as you can. While you are there, buy any other supplies eg, bandages, aspirin, etcetera. When you wash your hands, remove any rings from your finger first. The only stupid question in this Forum is the one that is unasked. Edited by Rick |
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Masks were the first thing I ordered on-line and got them this past weekend. I fear that H2H is near. The BF activity seemed to take an upswing the past few days. Does anyone agree? I also am paying close attention to Iraq because WHO is sending a team and last I read they were trying to confirm where the 37 y.o. uncle aquired BF. He cared for the 14 y.o. before she died and he died shortly after.
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Feb 2/06 Assume the worst. The WHO is subject to too much political and financial pressure. Money can be made when the news is good or bad, and those higher up who are in the know - privy to confidential info, benefit from advance warning. I just bought a portable generator this morning, not much to choose from. I've got another 100, N-95's this am., and will continue accumulating more as the biological Tsunami evolves. I might be crazy, but I'm in good company. Besides I can always eventually eat that extra sack of rice or sell the generator at a garage sale. If the WHO is so straight, why did Dr. Niman anticipate the present problems in Kurdistan, when the WHO was discounting initial reports? We need to wake-up and smell the coffee. The chickens have come home to roost. Keep reading this and other groups. Keep learning - Keep living. More from Dr. Niman - http://www.recombinomics.com/whats_new.html Edited by Rick |
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Influenza Resistant to Two Antiviral Drugs Almost all samples of virus not affected by amantadine and rimantadine, CDC says THURSDAY, Feb. 2 (HealthDay News) -- Virtually all samples of seasonal influenza virus tested by the U.S. government this year were resistant to adamantanes, the class of drugs considered to be the leading treatment for flu infection, a new report shows. This means that the drugs in this class, amantadine and rimantadine, are ineffectual and shouldn't be used, health experts said. "We were absolutely shocked at the findings," said Rick A. Bright, an immunologist at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. "This renders this class of drugs useless for influenza for now and for the foreseeable future. We don't expect this to go away any time soon, especially as other countries use it in over-the-counter formulations." Others said the news was not so shocking, given the propensity of bacteria to develop resistance to antibiotics. "We see emerging resistance to antibiotics, so it's not surprising to see viral resistance," said Dr. Len Horovitz, a pulmonary specialist at Lenox Hill Hospital in New York City. The findings, from the Journal of the American Medical Association, were released Thursday because of their public health significance. They will also appear in the Feb. 22 print issue of the journal. Amantadine and rimantadine have been used for years against community outbreaks of influenza A. They are also included in the national stockpile to guard against a possible influenza pandemic. Flu outbreaks continue to be a major public health concern. According to the study, 10 percent to 15 percent of the U.S. population come down with the flu every year, and about 31,000 people die of it. Vaccination is considered the best strategy to prevent infection. On Jan. 14, the CDC issued a Health Alert recommending that amantadine and rimantadine not be used to treat or prevent influenza A infections in the United States for the remainder of this flu season. The alert was issued because 91 percent of the 120 influenza A virus samples that were tested were resistant to these two drugs. "We put the alert out the day after we had the 91 percent figure," Bright said. The current study expands and updates that testing. A total of 209 influenza isolates (including the original 120) from 26 states across the United States were collected and analyzed. Overall resistance was 92 percent. Ten isolates from Mexico were all resistant. An earlier study in The Lancet showed a 96 percent resistance in China, Bright added. The speed at which the resistance developed was the most surprising to health officials. "It's very rare we see such a rapid increase," Bright said. "We did not expect to see over 90 percent." Researchers suspect it has to do with widespread, over-the-counter and unregulated use of the drugs in other countries. "We believe that it occurred due to pressure from people overusing this class of drugs," Bright said. But the resistance is likely to stay for the foreseeable future and possibly longer. "Until every place in the world stops using this medication, it may never go away. It may be useless forever," Bright stated. Both amantadine and rimantadine should stay in the national stockpile, Rick said, as they might still be of use in an emergency situation. Tamiflu (oseltamivir) and Relenza (zanamivir), antiviral drugs which belong to the neuraminidase inhibitor class of antivirals, still have some use. "So far, they're still OK but we're concerned that people will be using them more and might begin using them inappropriately and, with increased and inappropriate use, we do expect to see an increase in resistance," Bright said. Tamiflu and Relenza are also included in the stockpile but, according to a study released earlier this month, are probably not enough on their own to counter an outbreak or pandemic. More energy and resources need to be devoted to developing new antiviral drugs, surveillance needs to continue, and people need to get vaccinated, Bright said. But a report released Thursday from the CDC found that influenza vaccination rates for U.S. children aged 6-23 months were low in the 2003-04 flu season. "When you rely on any antiviral drug, you're always a single mutation away from resistance," Bright said. "Vaccines are the only truly effective way to stop an influenza outbreak." More information For more on fighting flu, head to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. SOURCES: Rick A. Bright, Ph.D., immunologist, U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Atlanta; Len Horovitz, M.D., pulmonary specialist, Lenox Hill Hospital, New York City; Feb. 22, 2006, Journal of the American Medical Association id=530752">http://www.healthday.com/view.cfm?id=530752 |
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I have been reading the posts for a few days now and am just as skeptical as the next person but yet prepared. Most of these posts just go to show where are hears are when it comes to our higher ups. I had to study communicable disease and did my thesis on the plaque. So it is important to me that the people I talk too will at least lend an ear to what is fact and what is not. Does anyone remember going back in our Anthrax days the two guys that were arrested I think in nevada for having the serum for the anthrax and the Plaque? They said they had found a cure and antidote for both because it was found out that Saddam was supposed to have let go some plaque infested rats that would make there way to our ships or be lanted somehow on our ships. I think that was quite inventive of the )&)& but also a reality of not only that happening but other illnesses also that could be done in such a manner bojangles |
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For info at a glance, how about a topic heading: "Current phase issued by WHO is phase three" and the administrator of this site would be responsible for monitoring and updating? Please. : ) MK |
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WHO - Avian influenza – situation in Iraq - Update Epidemic and Pandemic Alert and Response 2 February 2006 "Specimens from Iraq’s first reported case of human infection with the H5N1 avian influenza virus have now been tested at a WHO collaborating laboratory in the United Kingdom. The case was a 15-year-old girl from the northern part of the country who died of severe respiratory disease on 17 January. Test results have now confirmed her infection. Rumours of possible human cases in other parts of the country have been systematically followed up. To date, no such rumours have been substantiated." WHO-led teams are currently conducting or completing field assessments in nine countries in the area: Armenia, Azerbaijan, Egypt, Georgia, Iran, Lebanon, Moldova, Syria, and Ukraine. For regular updates from WHO... http://www.who.int/csr/don/2006_02_02/en/index.html |
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Okay, I got my history lesson for the day. Why don't we have daily updates from WHO on what the status is for these field assignments?
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Is it me or has the WHO be more forth coming lately? I read where they monitor sites like these to chase down rumors and get heads up on news as it developes thru the grapevine. I'm sure they will have to raise the level in the next couple of weeks if all hell breaks loose in Africa. So what if they do declare Pandemic Level 4 then what? What are we going to do then? Some new flubies might get the message and start preping but I feel until we hear of cases of Human to Human in the US most of us won't activate any of our pandemic plans and the rest won't prep. I too am poised to go into hybernation mode but don't know when I actually will. Level 5? Edited by Corn |
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Speculation is the only tool we have with a threat that can circle the globe in 30 days. Test results&news is slow.Factor in human conditions,politics, money&bingo!The truth!Facts come after the fact.
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Corn,
I agree with you. I noticed this with the WHO issue yesterday about the Nigeria post on their web-site. They are very much more open and IMO showing real concern. The language appears to have changed expressing the gravity of the situation. This may be leading us to "level 4".
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IMHO, that is the crux of the problem. I believe that the highest danger to anybody who has been preparing is to those living in areas of the initial outbreaks. With a 3 week incubation rate, people will be infective all around us and our children before we are even aware of it. When they actually start getting sick, I believe most local governments are not going to "jump" to close schools and workplaces. I believe it will be another 3 weeks or so, when the sick and dead start to mount before shut-in recommendations are announced. Even if it is only a week for testing to announce that it is AF, then it's been 4 weeks that us and our kids have been exposed, plus our extended chains, if we have them. At that point, even if we bug-in, we have another 2-3 weeks of waiting to see if we get sick or not. We all can't just stop going to work or take the kids out of school just because some-type of illness breaks out. We'd be taking them out of school every other month. I'm hoping to be a secondary hit area. To be behind that curve even a week, 10 days, will give us and the local gov enough of a heads up to be hair trigger about shutting down at the first sign of local illnesses. If we are a primary area, chances are we won't realize it until we've already been exposed to some risk. Anybody else got any ideas on the "at what point do I bug in (or out)?" question? It would play hell with my office to open and close, but, we could live with the damage to the business if the pandemic "doesn't come off". On the other hand, pulling my daughter in and out of school will cause a loss of credit and completely muck up college plans if the pandemic "does'nt" come off! Hate to say it - and I don't know about the other folks here - but, if on one hand you wait too long to see if it's the real deal, then it's deadly, but if I move too soon and it's not the real deal, then I've totally mucked up her education "just to be safe". Seems like it's a no brainer of the safe-than-sorry type, but I'm not so sure. So - in an odd way, there is still alot of unknowns for me and vagueness about the decision points in the future (and I've been aware of the AF for at least 3 years, began preparing slowly last July and preaching to my friends since August.) I'm TRULY interested in some other viewpoints/ideas on this topic!
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Home Depot and Lowe's sells N-95 masks, believe it or not. To protect from paint/spackle/etc sanding dust. They also sell Nitrile Gloves. You will pay a little more there, compared to online, but, when it hits the fan, these are places that you might be able to drive to and buy from at the first sign of trouble. Not that there won't be others doing the same - but I suspect that most people won't be thinking of them initially for these products.
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"Home Depot and Lowe's sells N-95 masks, believe it or not. To protect from paint/spackle/etc sanding dust." ------- Be carefull, I'm no expert, but the mask should also state on the box that they are designed for medical use. The N95 masks in Home Depot may protect you against paint and dust but, not a virus. 3M also makes "dust " masks, but they don't use those in the hospital. The packaging on your mask should say something similar to the following... Here is what mine says: "3M Health Care Particulate Respirator and Surgical Mask NIOSH Approved. At least 95% filtration efficency against solid and liquid aersols that do not contain oil. Intended Use: This product meets CDC guidlines for Mycobacterium tuberculosis exposure control. As a respirator, it is intended to reduce wearer exposure to certain airborne particles in a size range of 0.1 to 10.- microns......as a surgicl mask, it is designed to be fluid resistant to splash and spatter of blood and other infectious materials...." Some N95 surgical mask experiences... Seto and colleagues from five Hong Kong hospitals and the University of Hong Kong, surveyed over 250 hospital staff exposed to 11 SARS patients between 15 March and 24 March. Most of the 13 staff who became infected did wash their hands, and a handful also wore gloves or a paper mask, but none had used a surgical or N95 mask. Analysis of the data showed that the use of surgical or N95 masks was the only measure to give statistically significant protection. Paper masks offered little protection, says Seto. "Such masks, being easily wet with saliva, are never recommended as a precaution against droplets." However, not one of the 69 staff who had used all four recommended protection measures - wearing a mask, gloves, gowns and washing their hands - contracted the virus. Seto believes the risk of contracting SARS in public places is "very low" and so does not wear a mask himself. "However, I have it ready if I am in a crowded place," he says. "I see someone consistently coughing, then I put it on. If I see he is febrile, I strongly advise him to go home and see a doctor. Then I wash my hands and take a good shower on coming home." http:// www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn3692 |
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not sure myself when to go into isolation. i know everyone is pushing for who to increase level to 4, but what of it really. more media attention for sure, but what does it mean to the everyday bf junkie ? be even more vilgilant, is that possible ? i am not sure what i am going to do , start wearing a mask at level 4, no, can't see that happening, 5 ? i don't know, when to pull my kid from school ? like Aodhan, i would like some input from you all to see what your plans are. |
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trisharp
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Rick,
Can you give us some sources of supply for these masks?
Is there somewhere one can walk in and make the purchase as opposed to ordering them directly.
Thanks.
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On the question of when to bug in, you might try
watching your local obit page in the newspaper. If you see a significant jump, whether or not the media is reporting bf, it might be time to stay in for a while. Tammy |
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trisharp , I am buying my masks at a big company called GRAINGER they have the N95 from 3M ,You should check if you live close to one of these stores WWW.grainger.com
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Rick,
Thank you.
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