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CRS, DrPH
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Interesting article about hurricanes and Europe!
https://www.businessinsider.com/why-hurricanes-never-hit-europe-2018-10 |
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Will this classic soon stop being true?
ln Hertford, Hereford and Hampshire hurricanes hardly ever happen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmADMB2utAo |
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http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/database/index.php?pageid=event_desc&edis_id=FF-20181017-65069-USA DJ-Most likely extreme rain in Alaska might be related to a Pacific hurricane moving north.
With the jetstream being this disrupted it is a matter of time before remnants of hurricanes manage to get to the Arctic and cross it..... On the Bussines Insider story; hurricane is a name for a sort of storm (in a certain area). It would be better to look at all extreme weather events. http://www.severe-weather.eu/mcd/further-torrential-rainfall-across-western-mediterranean-particularly-parts-of-spain/ |
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Hurricane Michael: "A Reuters tally of official reports says at least 27 are now confirmed dead - including 17 in Florida. Another death was also confirmed by officials in Georgia, three in North Carolina and six in Virginia."
I do hope that the insurance companies lead the discussion of building standards (and how much/little they will pay if houses are not up to standard.... "The area where the storm hit worst, in Florida's Panhandle region, do not have building code standards as strict as in other areas of the state. Swathes of houses were completely obliterated in Mexico Beach - an area described as "ground zero" for the storm's heavy winds and storm surges." All quotes from https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45893486 |
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https://www.wunderground.com/news/storms/hurricane/news/2018-10-22-hurricane-willa-pacific-ocean-mexico-landfall and https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/?epac
MrMBB333 is comparing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Patricia#United_States with "Willa" on its way to NW Mexico. DJ-Both "Vicente" and "Willa" will do a lot of damage in western Mexico. Stronger storms are one of many signs of (rapid) climate change. This climate crisis is not caused by the poor but they are expected to bear the suffering. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-10-22/president-trump-declares-national-emergency-mexico-loses-control-migrant-army "The poor" have every reason to bring the bill to those who did cause the problems. Oil companies, military-industrial-complex, will have to pay for the damage they are doing. Climate fefugees are another climate-change related problem going to explode (both for the US and EU). |
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Robert Scribler https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6iU20YZFME Willa slammed into the coast of Mexico as a category 3 hurricane yesterday producing widespread impacts. The remnants of the storm are now moving over Northeast Mexico -- funneling heavy rains into an already severe weather pattern across Texas. Over the next few days, this area of stormy weather is expected to track east -- potentially becoming a Nor'easter by the weekend. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHk1jX8YpG8 Yutu is presently raking the northern Marianas islands with winds gusting to near 220 mph. This storm is of a class comparable to the most powerful cyclones ever observed on the face of the Earth. It goes without saying that the small islands in Yutu's path will see devastating impacts. MrMBB333; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjmTX50tq5U and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Walaka#Preparations_and_impact: A powerful storm surge accompanied the hurricane as it traversed the French Frigate Shoals. The small, low-lying East Island suffered a direct hit and was completely destroyed, with sediment scattered across coral reefs to the north. DJ-There was/is a discussion on category 6 hurricanes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffir%E2%80%93Simpson_scale and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saffir%E2%80%93Simpson_scale#%22Category_6%22. With storms ever getting stronger for science reasons new scales may be usefull. Both extreme events (wind, rain, surge) as duration (drought, several days of rain) can bring severe damage. They are not always included in a "scale". |
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https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/2019-Atlantic-Hurricane-Season-Begins-91L-Gulf-Mexico-Threat-Develop?cm_ven=cat6-widget and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6zwPOwDshU
Looking at https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 "91L" will effect Texas-even when it does not become a Tropical Depression "Barry". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Atlantic_hurricane_season https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/blog/2019/06/01/watching-a-tropical-disturbance-in-the-southern-gulf-of-mexico/#comments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfloqgqPBjU BPEarthwatch https://blog.myfoxhurricane.com/2019/06/02/barry-a-possibility-in-the-bay-of-campeche-heavy-rain-threat-for-eastern-mexico/ (DJ-With extreme flooding already widespread in the US a hurricane-like-weathersystem may find energy in warm water on land to stay active longer. A possible "Barry" scenario could push this system into the Mississippi river system or follow the US Gulf coast. When I look at https://www.ventusky.com/ only more rain on its way to Texas-but "history" tells us a hurricane can get to cat5 in 24/48 hrs. There is a lot of very warm water in the western Gulf-so a lot of energy wich can get into a major hurricane very fast.) |
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DJ-Lots of uncertainty https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 there may-very likely-form "a named storm" west of Florida. https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Heavy-Rains-and-Possible-Tropical-Storm-Northeast-Gulf-Mexico-Late-Week?cm_ven=cat6-widget
How it wil develop is a big question. From https://www.ventusky.com/?p=25.8;-84.4;4&l=wind-10m&t=20190715/1200 to http://www.myfoxhurricane.com/ try to get a clear picture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV6dhLU1JSA mentions several scenario's-from a depression moving into the Gulf and then back north to a storm moving along the US east coast towards New York. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=youZZWyWsfA in2thinair. On top of the flooding etc. in the US more flooding will mean more damage. (The duration of flooding may become another factor). |
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^rising sea levels will ensure that coastal areas in Florida, New York, Texas etc. will be destroyed by hurricanes, sooner or later.
I live at 3,000 feet above sea level in southern Arizona USA, so sea level rise won't bother me. |
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I live about 5kms from the beach....
Time to move......lol |
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I live over a 100 km/60miles from the (North)sea. Still when-it is a matter of time-a major hurricane ends up this way there is a major problem.
The amount of rain, salt water moving up the rivers, severe flooding, will effect infrastructure-and with that-logistics. "Barry" may be forming but there are still several scenario's on how it will develop. https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/, https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/, https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Invest-92L-Likely-be-Tropical-Storm-Gulf-Mexico-Saturday?cm_ven=cat6-widget DJ-The US should do more to deal with extreme weather, earthquakes etc. and less with starting wars around the globe. Wrong choices are destroying the US even more than hurricanes can do ! |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM7jpwx_k-k Tropical Tidbit trying to get a clear view of "Barry". Good info on an unpredictable bunch of clouds above the Florida pan-handle-moving into the Gulf-than west-than breaking up by southward high winds, northward low-layer winds ?
Or strong enough to survive and move towards Texas, even getting stronger over the Gulf ? DJ-Maybe the news is the unpredictability of "Barry". It can make landfall in a few days as a Tropical Storm, but it could also become a "monster-storm" in a few days. https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/92L-Moving-Gulf-Mexico-May-Develop-Tropical-Depression https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 |
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https://www.fairewinds.org/demystify/nuclear-emergency-planning-amp-hurricane-season
In 1992, 145 MPH Hurricane Andrew directly hit the Turkey Point Nuclear Power Plant, just south of Miami, Florida. Here is what the Union of Concerned Scientist had to say about the damage: “The hurricane knocked out all offsite power for the plant for more than five days, caused the total loss of the plant’s communication systems, blocked the access road to the site with debris, and damaged the fire protection and security systems as well as the warehouse facilities. …. The telephone systems at Turkey Point did not function because the hurricane damaged the onsite antennas and the offsite repeating stations. Except for one hand-held radio, the plant’s radio systems did not function during and immediately following the storm. Overall, all offsite communications were lost for about four hours during the storm, and reliable communications were not restored for about 24 hours following the storm. The fire protection system at the plant was disabled when winds knocked a high tower tank onto a 500,000 gallon tank containing water for the fire protection system.” The only source of power to the plant were the diesel generators, but they had been placed near a smoke stack. That smoke stack was part of an oil powered plant, and it had developed cracks and was in danger of falling on the emergency diesel generators for the atomic powered reactor! It was a very close call! DJ-https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 and https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Erick-Bring-Heavy-Rains-High-Surf-Hawaii-Watching-96L-Atlantic?cm_ven=cat6-widget Another storm is on its way. https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/storminfo/ Invest 96L moving towards Florida, Invest 94W moving towards south of Japan. |
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I think Trump's latest idea will speed up hurricanes destroying the US. Just nuke them!
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49471093 Wild ideas seem to becoming more and more dangerous. |
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Chump is an intellectual free Zone.....
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More nuanced article on Trump's idea of "nukes against hurricanes" https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-26/hurricane-time-mr-president-dorian-needs-be-nuked
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/hurricane-heads-up-florida-and-us-southeast and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkcJ6DBI3kk Dorian cat2 or 3 when it reaches Florida ? https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/Tenacious-Dorian-Heads-Puerto-Rico-Bahamas-and-Florida-Could-Be-Next?cm_ven=cat6-widget http://www.thebigwobble.org/2019/08/can-we-afford-to-ignore-warnings-any.html |
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Some links;
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-09-02/category-6-storm-if-scale-went-high-hurricane-dorian-would-be-one http://www.thebigwobble.org/2019/09/what-you-need-to-know-four-potential.html and https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at5+shtml/093608.shtml?ero#contents, https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/gtwo.php?basin=atlc&fdays=5 https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/No-Rest-Grand-Bahama-Island-Prolonged-Storm-Surge-Threat-Ahead-Southeast-US?cm_ven=cat6-widget https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/hurricane-has-not-turned-still-heading-to-florida https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/blog/2019/09/03/6am-tuesday-dorian-not-moving-yet-but-expected-to-stay-offshore-of-florida-threat-to-georgia-and-carolinas/ DJ-A track following the US east coast for two or three days-and the amount of uncertainty on how "Dorian" goes on-will do a lot of damage. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Atlantic_hurricane_season#Tropical_Depression_Seven DJ-With "Fernand", "Gabrielle"and possibly "Humberto" AND "Imelda" forming in the Atlantic the Atlantic hurricane season is in overdrive. https://www.windy.com/articles/tropical-storm-dorian-forecast-to-strengthen-into-a-category-2-hurricane-as-it-heads-toward-florida-9415?satellite,29.037,-80.859,4 |
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