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https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/iran-foreign-minister-warns-fourth-step-coming, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/all-israeli-air-defenses-on-alert-amid-fears-of-possible-iranian-attack-report/,https://www.debka.com/soleimani-takes-helm-of-iraqi-security-from-prime-minister-abdul-mahdi/;
Soleimani who swept into the meeting with a party of aides took the chair from Iraqi prime minister Adel Abdul-Mahdi. He then told the commanders gathered there, “We in Iran know how to deal with protests. This happened in Iran and we got it under control.”

It was obvious to the Iraqi officials present that the Iranian general was taking charge, DEBKAfile’s sources report. This was effectively an Iranian coup for the takeover of Iraq’s political and security leadership. This extreme step was intended to hold back the free fall of Tehran’s influence in Baghdad as well as Beirut – under the mounting weight of popular disaffection in Iraq and Lebanon.

https://www.debka.com/mivzak/khamenei-accuses-us-arab-states-in-lebanon-iraq-unrest/

(DJ-As a reminder https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/intel-or-insanity-false-flag-nuclear-attack-seattle-wa-los-angeles-ca-november-3-not very likely but several parties want/need a major incident/war.)

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/chinese-military-debuts-most-advanced-ballistic-missile/, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/chinas-j-20-stealth-jet-showcases-new-missiles/

DJ-For China both Iran, Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Lebanon are parts of the New Silk Road. Destabilization (in their eyes by the US) is an anti-China move.

DJ-From https://southfront.org/u-s-prepares-to-deploy-bradly-infantry-fighting-vehicles-in-syrias-deir-ezzor-photos/ to https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/will-opec-declare-war-us-shale, https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/markets-spooked-report-china-doubts-trade-deal-ever-possible the international situation is getting worse.

DJ-The struggle for #1 depends on how you look at numbers;
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/the-86-trillion-world-economy-in-one-chart/ ;
#1     🇺🇸 United States     $20.49 trillion     23.89%
#2     🇨🇳 China     $13.61 trillion     15.86%
or
#1     🇨🇳 China     $25.4 trillion     18.6%     +1
#2     🇺🇸 United States     $20.5 trillion     15.0%     -1
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/visualizing-the-composition-of-the-world-economy-by-gdp-ppp/?fbclid=IwAR0O7vfYcOtZD2BUjv_fIRsY1v644UmObce-jxHtEUTmpVP3J73OyUVVxL8 (DJ-Looking at what you can do with that money)
Eur-Asian integration is pushing the US to the sidelines.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-china-relations-years-ahead-trade-war-sideshow;
In his speech, Pence harshly attacked virtually every aspect of Chinese society and referred to it an “authoritarian regime” on multiple occasions. This isn’t the sort of language U.S. officials tend to use when a breakthrough deal with a foreign nation is imminent, it’s the sort of language U.S. officials use when the country is at war, about to be at war, or is working on a regime change operation.
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If Trump wins in 2020, I expect he’ll become more aggressive with China than almost anyone can imagine. Without having to think about reelection, Trump will focus on his legacy and he’ll see reorienting the U.S.-Chinese relationship as the most historically significant achievement he can accomplish. At that point, China will have have no choice but to face the reality of another four years of Trump, and it’ll likewise stop pretending things are going well, which will cause the situation to deteriorate fast.

The path is a bit less clear should Trump lose reelection, though a major U.S.-China conflict remains in the cards early next decade regardless for a couple of reasons. First, the global economy is in fact on the verge of systemic failure due to it being structurally little more than a massive fraud scheme of debt, corruption and rent-seeking. When this failure truly manifests globally, both Chinese and U.S. leadership will desire a conflict in order to distract from internal problems. Chinese elites won’t want the Chinese people to blame them, and U.S. elites won’t want to be blamed either. As such, an external enemy works for politicians and oligarchs in both countries. It’s the same as it ever was. Trump’s just escalating and bringing forward a collision that’s increasingly likely to unfold irrespective of who resides in the oval office.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/multiple-dead-syrian-army-turkey-now-heavy-clashes-border, https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/30-october-saa-troops-withdrew-from-military-checkpoints,https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/turkish-backed-militants-abuse-captured-syrian-soldiers/, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/erdogan-says-turkey-has-right-to-resume-northern-syria-operation/

DJ-"Turkish backed rebels" may be a problem for Erdogan when they are in Turkey-also very hard to control. Does Erdogan want Syria, Russia (and the Kurds") to "solve that problem" (by killing most of those "rebels")?
https://southfront.org/turkish-backed-militants-executed-syrian-soldier-captured-near-ras-al-ayn/, https://southfront.org/syrian-war-report-october-29-2019-army-reinforces-positions-on-turkish-border/
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https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/breaking-news-israel-closing-all-of-its-embassies-worldwide-immediately;
Is this part and parcel of the ALLEGED nuclear "false flag" said to be in the works against Seattle, WA and Los Angeles, CA for this Sunday, November 3?   Unknown.

Does this have something to do with Diplomatic Cables uncovered in the lair of ISIS Leader Al-Baghdadi?   Diplomatic cables between Baghdadi and the US State Department were seized by US Special Operations Forces during the raid that killed Baghdadi over the weekend. If Cables were found to the US State Department, were any others found to and from Israel?????

One off-the-wall claim are those rumors that Israel had a nuke stored in strategic embassy basements around the world as a blackmail option. Will those nukes be detonated? Unknown.

This is very unusual and very disturbing. Clearly something very big is up. Endeavoring to find out what it is.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/intel-or-insanity-false-flag-nuclear-attack-seattle-wa-los-angeles-ca-november-3;
Prior to the attacks of 9-11, German Intelligence notified then-President George W. Bush of a terrorist plot to hijack planes and fly them into buildings.   The President did nothing. The attacks of 9-11 occurred.

Now, the Germans are alerting us again . . . to a nuclear "false flag attack" upon Seattle, WA, this Sunday, November 3 . . .

Is this Intel . . . . or insanity?   

DJ-Pearl Harbour 1941 was no surprise attack for the US. Maybe the military underestimated the attack-but they were informed from several sides the attack was coming. Letting the attack happen did open the door for the US to get involved openly in W.W.2.

Just like 9-11-2001, MH17, chemical weapons in Syria were false flags-with 9-11 opening the door to start wars in Afghanistan and Iraq-a new major false flag could open the door to start a war with Iran, North Korea, China, Russia...

DJ-I do not think there will be a major nuclear attack on the US in coming november, still I also did not expect MH17, 9-11 etc.

The goal of the Syria-war was to stop Russia-Iran-China. In 2011 T-U-L-S-I was the coalition to bring down Assad. Turkey, US, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Israel.

IS was stopped in Syria by Russia, in Iraq by Iran. Also a failed (US backed) coup-attempt in Turkey did bring Turkey on the side of Russia, Iran.

https://www.rt.com/news/472161-lavrov-cavusoglu-zarif-geneva/, https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/retired-general-trumps-syria-oil-plan-turns-us-troops-pirates,
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/why-lebanon-and-iraq-are-at-the-brink-of-further-strife.html;
#Lebanon and #Iraq protestors hitting the "Axis of the Resistance" stability in these two countries and pushing Prime Ministers in both countries to resign and lead the country towards instability.

#US and #SaudiArabia has lost #Syria but are still fighting in other theatres.

DJ-Some major groups in the US want a "uni-polar world" in wich the US "is the boss" and above any law. Those groups will stop for nothing to get what they want-even when it brings W.W.3.

In Israel Netanyahu is unable to become PM again-with that faces prison for corruption.

Saudi Arabia is "mixed up" in a royal powerstruggle.

These facts can become a basis for very dangerous scenario's. The struggle for Syria basicly turned into a struggle for global domination. Russia and China combined are beating the US.

A very unlikely scenaria-Hal Turner did publish more of them in the past-(I do believe he was correct in Turkey and Saudi Arabia preparing for an invasion of Syria around 2015) still may be realistic-how awfull that scenario is.
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From https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/the-moa-week-in-review-open-thread-2019-62.html#more some good comments;

Last week, Thierry Meyssan posted an excellent paper (https://www.voltairenet.org/article208007.html), in which he states that the recent events in Syria, in which ‘a quarter of the country was freed in a week’ is not only a victory for Assad, but the defeat of the ‘military strategy to establish the supremacy of financial capitalism’. These events mark the overturning of the world order that has been in place since the end of WWII.

What I find remarkable is how quickly the old order has been overturned. The old order was initially a bi-polar world, which evolved, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, into a Uni-Polar World Order under the control of 'financial capitalism' (i.e. the ‘Globalists’, also referred to as ‘international financial elites’, ‘Anglo-Zionists’, the ‘Davos Crowd’, etc.). Arguably the Uni-Pole's power peaked in the early 2000s after the creation of the EU and the eastern expansion of NATO. The first cracks in the Uni-Pole's hegemonic power appeared in 2003 with the fiasco in Iraq, and in 2008 with the Global Financial Crisis. But even as late as 2015, when Obama dismissed Russia’s entry into Syria as nothing but Russia stepping into a quagmire, the 'Globalists' could foresee no opposing force that would prevent them from consolidating their Uni-Polar World Order into an enduring world-wide system of ‘Global Governance’ through a ‘Rules-based International Order’ under the 'Globalists' control and enforced by the U.S. and NATO. But now, as Meyssan suggests, only four years later, the Uni-Polar World Order has been toppled.

In its place a ‘Multi-Polar World’ order is emerging. I would like to suggest that the outlines of this emerging order are as follows:
1. The dominant pole of this Multi-polar World is that led by the alliance of Russia and China. Spanning Eurasia from the Pacific to the Mediterranean, this pole includes the countries of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, and the Eurasian Economic Union, and includes Iran, Iraq, Syria, and possibly, in the future, Turkey.

2. The second pole will be the remnants of the 'Globalist' empire, stripped, however, of Europe (ex. U.K.) and any Asian representation, i.e. the U.S., U.K., Israel and likely Canada.

3. A third group consists of countries that are currently either occupied militarily by the U.S. or are part of NATO, but are either economically dependent on China or are in economic competition with the U.S. This includes most of Europe, Japan, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, and the GCC countries (KSA, UAE, etc.). These countries cannot be considered as poles by themselves, for while some of them may have the economic weight to be considered a pole, such as Germany and Japan, they lack the geo-political weight. These countries are likely to try to escape from their status as American ('Globalist') vassals and become independent nations dealing equitably with all the poles of the new Multi-Polar World. In my view, it is unlikely that the EU will survive the birth of this new-world order in its current form. At best it is likely to revert back to a European free trade area, in which each country will recapture its sovereignty and its own currency.

4. A fourth group consists of countries that, while not being a part of the Russia/China pole will be under its wing, with Russia providing military, political and geo-political support, and China providing economic support. This group includes countries which are currently either under threat from the 'Globalists' (ie. Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Bolivia, etc.), are in turmoil due to exploitation by the 'Globalists' (ie. Chile, Argentina, Brazil, etc.) or are outright failed states (most of Africa). Under the protection of Russia and China, they will once again have a chance to overcome the anarchy of the past 20 or so years and to return to peaceful development.

5. A fifth group consists of what will likely end up as secondary poles of the Multi-Polar World. These are countries that today are both independent and have the geo-political and economic weight to continue to function independently. This group includes the likes of India and the ASEAN countries.

Uncertain is the time that it will take for this emerging order to stabilize. In my view, this depends to a great extent on whether Trump survives impeachment and wins in 2020. If he does then the emergence of the Multi-Polar World Order could be quite quick and painless, as it is aligned with the policies that Trump has been espousing from the beginning of his presidential campaign in 2015. To 'Make America Great Again' requires that the U.S. recover its sovereignty and redevelop its industrial power. After all, a countries wealth, and thus its power, is what it produces, and a country that doesn't produce as much as it consumes will, in the end, consume itself. To redevelop its industrial power the U.S. needs to isolate itself, as Trump is attempting to do behind a wall of tariff barriers and a devalued currency. The Multi-Polar World Order will allow the U.S. the opportunity it needs isolate, and then rebuild, itself. One must remember that it was the isolation of the U.S. in the 19th and early 20th centuries that enabled the U.S. to become so powerful in the first place.

If, on the other hand, Trump is either overthrown by the 'Globalists' or defeated in 2020 then the emergence of the Multi-Polar World Order will be fraught with conflict. The 'Globalists' will fight it every step of the way, using all tools at their disposal, and particularly the military muscle of the U.S. and NATO. For the 'Globalists' the Multi-Polar World Order means the dispossession of their power and wealth. However, I believe that will simply be a case of the losers continuing to fight long after the war has been lost. It is only a question of how much time that it will take, and death and destruction that will occur, before the U.S. and NATO are exhausted.

The emergence of the Multi-Polar World Order, once it stabilizes, is likely to usher in a new era of peace and human development, similar to that which the world experienced in the decades following WWII.

This Baghdadi killing is the fifth reported killing since 2014.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/trump-wants-deal-exxon-or-other-company-take-syrian-oil, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-military-will-strike-anyone-challenging-their-occupation-of-syrian-oil-fields-secdef/

DJ-Both the oil fields as Al-Tanf can get problematic. It is Syrian territory, the US has not any legal reason to be there. https://southfront.org/syria-russia-open-bridge-linking-eastern-and-western-banks-of-euphrates-in-deir-ezzor/ When talks with the US do not help maybe Russia will go to UN, EU ? (Direct open confrontation with US forces not very likely, but Electronic Warfare, proxy forces as options ?)

https://southfront.org/booming-turkish-russian-trade-abandoning-us-dollar/ DJ-The war in Syria is in fact a war for EurAsia. https://southfront.org/russia-africa-shared-vision-2030-alternative-to-neo-colonial-pillage/ The Turkish ceasefire in NE Syria will end today-Syrian and Russian forces did not yet take over all of the Syria-Turkey border-mainly due to the presence of Turkish backed "rebels". Turkey can not allow to start major military operations in that area when it wants to have good relations with Russia and Iran (the west is not an alternative for Erdogan.)

DJ-Russia has questions on the dead of Baghdadi https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201910291077170050-daesh-leaders-odd-location-in-al-qaeda-controlled-idlib-raises-questions-on-trumps-narrative/

https://www.debka.com/us-mid-east-forces-relocate-out-of-iranian-cruise-missile-range-the-idf-begins-overhaul/ DJ-US is moving its military out of Qatar because it is to "close to Iran" (ignoring US taking Saudi side in conflict with Qatar. Qatar may depend more on Turkish, Iran forces-invite Russia, China ?)

DJ-On (US) politics (a lot of other countries not doing much better)
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/america-has-officially-gone-insane US not only putting US forces in west Iraq-also IS fighters are being transported by the US-so "the anti-IS coalition has a reason to fight terror in the Syria oil fields".

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https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/abu-dua-captured-by-us-sof-that-s-the-leader-of-isis-aka-al-baghdadi, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-special-forces-carried-out-trump-approved-raid-to-kill-baghdadi/, https://www.debka.com/isis-leader-baghdadi-reported-killed-in-us-operation-in-syria/
DJ-Just like Osama bin Laden was in Pakistan-long time US ally, Baghdadi was in Turkish/western backed rebels controled area near the Turkish border in Idlib NW Syria.

Both AQ and IS are believed to be creations of the CIA.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/iran-could-attack-israel-from-nearly-all-sides-israeli-general/, https://southfront.org/can-iran-to-fend-off-us-israeli-missile-or-drone-attack/

DJ-Besides from stealing Syrian oil https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/u-s-stealing-30-million-per-month-in-syrian-oil-tax-free-cash-to-swiss-bank-accounts the US wants to control eastern Syria to stop Iran (and China) from getting a connection to the mediterranean.

Unrest in https://www.debka.com/mivzak/eight-protesters-killed-in-iraq-by-live-shots-and-tear-gas-fired-by-police/ and https://www.debka.com/mivzak/nasrallah-warns-lebanons-nationwide-protest-could-lead-to-civil-war/ is also serving this US-Saudi-Israeli goal.

The build-up of US forces (for war against Iran) goes on https://www.debka.com/mivzak/us-deploys-stealth-f-22-raptors-at-saudi-prince-sultan-air-base/

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-confirms-troops-returned-to-syria-from-iraq/, https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/heres-why-trumps-secure-syrias-oil-plan-will-be-impossible-implement
DJ-There is no legal bases for US forces occupy oil fields in an other country.

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/27-october-the-site-targeted-by-the-us-military-operation
DJ-Again, how come IS-leader Baghdadi was in western backed "moderate rebels" area near the Turkish border ?

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/26-october-reports-of-clashes-between-proassad-forces-andTurkish-backed forces in Ras al-Ain countryside

DJ-The Turkish backed "rebels" may be hard to control for Turkey. Also some Kurds will not stop fighting against Turkey and its proxies. Both Syria and Russia will try to control the fighting.

DJ-One could argue that "there is a battle for Asia" between the US and China. In that battle the US may be losing India https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/india-us-officially-suspend-defense-cooperation (India can do bussiness with Russia while the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor will connect China, via Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Turkey with the EU.)
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DJ-Still the SDF/Kurds do not get realistic: https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/syria-the-kurds-want-to-play-on-both-sides.html;
SDF in last 24 hour:
Want SAA to defend border
No withdrawing of their mercenaries
Refuse Russian offer
Ask Russia to pressure Syrian gov
Want "special section" in SAA
Want US illegal presence in Syria
Want international forces

SDF, Are you high?

https://southfront.org/syrian-war-report-october-25-2019-russia-deploys-more-personnel-equipment-in-syria/,
https://southfront.org/how-russian-turkish-safe-zone-deal-shapes-course-of-syrian-conflict/

DJ-Israel wants Iran out of Syria and is using the Kurds to get that done.
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/u-s-lands-f-22-stealth-and-b1-b-strategic-bombers-in-saudi-arabia
DJ-The US wants to satisfy Israel by keeping US forces in South and East Syria (with Kurdish forces in the Arab oil region. Putting US forces in Saudi Arabia the US would have to move over/via Iraq or Jordan to get to Syria.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-attacks-isis-gathering-in-eastern-syria-several-terrorists-killed/

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/united-states-turkey-sdf-internal-war-between-syrias-enemies;
The SDF masters in Washington understand well that without a force on the land controlled by them, they could not prevent Assad from reuniting the country and taking over the a commercial, economic and energy connection project between Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Iran, with the Beijing Economic blessing that intends to invest / grant lines of credit of more than 600 billion dollars between Iran, Syria and Iraq.

The only legitimate authority in Syria that is able to guarantee the safety of civilians from the depredations of Daesh, the FSA, al-Nusra, al-Qaeda and all the other 256 iterations of jihadists (none of whom is “moderate”) is the Syrian Arab Army and its central government in Damascus.

Turkey, the SDF and the United States are three irregular, illegal and illegitimate occupants of Syrian soil who are fighting in the midst of thousands of civilians and are causing death and destruction that could easily be avoided.

The international political and media reaction to events happening in Syria confirms in my mind that there is an internal wrangle between the United States, Turkey and the SDF stemming from their defeat at the hands of the Syrian Arab Army and allies; a win for civilization.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/can-us-beat-china-trade-war DJ-Basics-the war in Syria is meant to stop China.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-b-52-simulates-bombing-run-near-russias-kaliningrad-reports/
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-playing-4-d-chess-game-middle-east-no-one-understands,
https://southfront.org/u-s-to-send-troops-battle-tanks-to-secure-syrian-oil-fields-report/

https://www.debka.com/trump-pivots-on-n-syria-some-us-troops-to-stay-one-air-base-retained/

DJ-The US want to keep troops in Syria-not far from the borders of Iraq and Jordan (Al Tanf). Iraq may not be happy with this-it will stimulate further protest against US (illegal since the 2003 war was against international law) presence.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-syrian-army-scores-advance-in-ne-latakia-amid-new-push-towards-jisr-al-shughour/, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-tanks-head-to-battlefield-to-confront-militants-at-turkish-border/

DJ-Since there are Turkish backed fighters in Idlib the confrontation between Turkey and the Syrian Arab Army (within the SAA SDF will become part of the SAA) is far from over. Russia and Iran will need to put more pressure on Turkey to stop its "support for terrorists".
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Some sidelines by Syria;

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/when-trump-ignored-bad-advice-he-enabled-progress-in-syria.html and https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/trump-disrupts-millions-in-illegal-drug-trafficking-cash-kickbacks-from-syria

(DJ-https://www.facebook.com/JoseBarbaNueva saw during the Viet Nam war the US protecting opium-trade, the French did that before the US moved in. In the sixties with MLK, student demonstrations drugs was a way to control crowd and break protest.)

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/23-october-russian-deputy-foreign-minister-the-russianturkishagreement followed an understanding reached in a secret communication between Russia, Damascus and the Kurds
(DJ-In 1998 there was the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria%E2%80%93Turkey_relations Adana-agreement. Syria would stop supporting the Kurds in Syria. Disagreement on how Syria did do its job was one of the reasons for Turkey's support for regimechange. https://www.rt.com/news/471587-turkey-no-need-restart-offensive-kurds/

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russia-demands-syrian-govt-gets-back-all-its-oil-fields/, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russia-demands-us-end-its-occupation-of-al-tanf-in-southern-syria/

Russia and Turkey now control the Turkish border. Iraq tells the U.S. NATO forces from Syria have to leave Iraq in 4 weeks. Idlib-offensive is on its way-in combination with S.A.A. moving into Raqqa/oil fields.

The US has 200 military, 400 PMC's in the oil fields wich will be surrounded soon by Syrian troops. (With Russian observers and possibly pro-Iran forces, Russian air control ? )
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DJ-Why is the Erdogan-Putin agreement important ?

1-It is one step closer to ending the "civil" war in/for Syria.
2-It gives Assad room to start the Idlib offensive.
3-It underlines that Russia (the Astana group with Turkey and Iran) can decide in this region. (And the US can not).
4-With peace-in some form-in NE Syria the China new-silk-road can go further.

Why is the Syria war something for AFT-forum ? Major pandemics are related to major wars. Refugees, poor/no hygiene, crowds of people-sometimes with bio-warfare-increase the risk of pandemics.

Countries like Syria, Iraq, Libya did have some form of public healthcare under their dictators. Western intervention destroyed the healthcare and replaced the dictators by worse dictators.

For Syria;
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/four-american-policy-failure-syria

https://southfront.org/syrian-army-and-russian-military-police-to-deploy-on-border-putin-and-erdogan-reach-agreement-on-northeastern-syria/,
https://www.debka.com/putin-obliges-erdogan-to-call-off-turkeys-operation-against-the-kurds-in-ne-syria/

https://southfront.org/syrian-army-completes-deployment-along-aleppo-hasakah-highway-east-of-euphrates-photos/
DJ-Turkey will have to pull back its forces from NE Syria and than can patrol-with Russia-in the area held by the S.A.A. (Assad forces).

https://southfront.org/us-troops-remain-in-syria-to-protect-oil-fields-from-terrorists-war-report/
DJ-I do not see how the US can keep forces in that area when there is no connection with Jordan. Iraq and Turkey do not support thes (illegal presence) US forces. They will have to give up their positions at a certain moment.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-armys-idlib-offensive-to-begin-at-any-moment/ DJ-With Russian help-sending Turkey a very clear message. Turkey will have to work within the Astana agreement and disarm radical groups in Idlib or face Russia/Syria doing so.

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/22-october-iraq-all-us-forces-that-withdrew-from-syria-receivedapproval to enter the Kurdistan Region so that they may be transported outside Iraq. There is no permission granted for these forces to stay inside Iraq."

DJ-The Kurds agreed to the US plan for pull back from the Turkish border. They placed themselves under Assad protection. Basicly they made a mess of their policies. On the longer term Kurds may find a way to unite in a cultural way over borders. It is the largest nation without their own state-and that is sad.
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https://sputniknews.com/world/201910221077116176-key-highlights-from-putin-erdogan-talks-as-they-discuss-situation-in-syria/:

1-Joint Patrols in Syria
The two presidents have reached an agreement that the Turkish military operation in Syria will be limited to a distance of within 30 kilometres from the Turkish-Syrian border. Moscow will send military police, while Damascus will send border guards in order to ensure the removal of YPG forces and their weapons up to a "depth of 30 kilometres away from the border". The operation needs to be completed within a timeframe of 150 hours. After YPG forces are removed, Turkey and Russia will organise joint patrols to the east and west of Ankara’s military operation, covering a 10-kilometre wide zone, with the exception of Qamishli city.

2-Peace Spring Operation Ends
Following the end of the talks between the two presidents, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov stated that the signed memorandum will ensure the end of the bloodshed in Syria, arguing that it is an important step towards a Syrian peace settlement.

At the same time, Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu stated in the wake of the Sochi meeting that the US, which is currently withdrawing its troops from northern Syria according to its agreements with Turkey, has to fulfil all of its obligations in Syria within 1 hour and 31 minutes. Shoigu added that Erdogan and Putin didn't discuss how long the Turkish forces will stay in the zone comprising Operation Peace Spring in Syria.

3-Return of War Refugees
Erdogan and Putin also addressed the humanitarian aspect of the situation in Syria, with the Russian president saying that the sides have agreed that the return of Syrian refuges should be facilitated as this would lift the burden from the countries that received them in the first place. The memorandum of the two countries stressed that the return of refugees must be conducted in a safe and voluntary manner.

https://www.rt.com/news/471529-putin-erdogan-sochi-talks/

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/syrias-fate-decided-sochi-putin-erdogan-meet-hours-syria-ceasefire-ends

DJ-There remain several obstacles;

Afrin, Idlib, East Syria oil fields and Al Tanf-the last two are US occupied.

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https://southfront.org/turkey-threatens-damascus-government-with-declaration-of-full-scale-war/,
https://www.debka.com/russian-forces-take-over-americas-n-syria-bases-e-syrian-airspace-and-concern-for-kurds/,
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-troops-escort-us-military-out-of-northern-aleppo-video/

DJ-Today Erdogan will meet Putin in Sochi-Russia. The "cease-fire" the US arranged with Turkey ends today-eventhough it did not stop the fighting.

Syria and Russia seem to be preparing for "military action" to stop Turkey in Syria. https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/21-october-the-sdf-and-saa-are-continually-repulsing-attacks, https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/erdogan-pledges-to-take-necessary-actions-in-syria-after-putin-meeting/,
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-surrounds-turkish-military-near-border-town/,
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-receives-massive-tank-shipment-from-russia-ahead-of-new-offensive-satellite-photo/

DJ-Even if Turkey does not restart its offensive in NE Syria, Syria wants to regain control of all of Syria. A Syrian offensive in Idlib may be days/hours away.
Putin will try to convince Erdogan to pull Turkish forces out of Syria. My guess is Turkey will listen even when it may take some time. (The alternative would be Turkey getting isolated. Erdogan can not trust the US/EU, Iran is on the side of Syria. A Turkish war against Syria would be also a war against Iraq, Iran, Russia-Turkey will try to prevent that.)

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-armed-forces-will-not-withdraw-from-syrian-oil-fields-report/
DJ-The US want to control Syria from Iraq, Al Tanf in south Syria-but the Kurds may not want to work with the US, Iraq is not waiting for being a base for US military action in Syria. The US may restart IS to "fight against" but in that scenario both Syria and Iraq may ask Russia and Iran to deal with that (and in such a scenario-when everyone knows IS=US there will be no room left for the US in the region).

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/we-have-hours-left-turkish-ceasefire-edge-collapse-erdogan-gives-kurds-hours-flee-territory,
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/betrayal-and-deception-syria-prime-example-us-foreign-policy
R-E-S-P-E-C-T is what is missing in US foreign policy. From sanctions on EU allies, South Korea to using and dumping of the Kurds-when the outcome of the US pull back from Syria is that the EU will face another refugee crisis due to US madness, Turkey starts a war with Syria-we may see the end of NATO.

https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13599&start=30,
https://www.rt.com/news/471472-pompeo-turkey-military-action-ready/ (DJ-There seems to be still a number of US military in NE Syria (backed by IS ? The Kurds are against them, even the French talk with the Russians about their special forces in the region. The US "allowed"Turkey a smaller operation than Turkey may be planning.)
https://www.debka.com/mivzak/putin-phones-netanyahu-with-birthday-greetings-they-discuss-changes-in-syria/ but also https://www.debka.com/gantz-in-line-to-form-a-government-after-netanyahu-returns-the-premiership-mandate-to-the-president/ Gantz may be PM of Israel.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-syria-may-be-biggest-defeat-cia-vietnam

DJ-https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/french-special-forces-need-russias-help-to-withdraw-troops-in-northeast-syria/ When France and Germany join the (Russian-Iran-Turkey) Astana peaceproces and French military work with Russians in Syria it becomes clear how much the world did change due to "regime change wars" started by the US.

https://southfront.org/turkish-funded-syrian-national-army-and-myth-of-united-syrian-opposition/ DJ-Syrian "opposition" is most paid by foreign "partners"-this is not a "civil war".

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/19-october-the-top-kurdish-commander-in-syria-general-mazlum;Kobane told @NBCNews he is trying to pull his forces back from Ras al-Ayn, but Turkey is not allowing it. He alleges Turkey does not want Kurdish fighters to withdraw - a condition of the ceasefire - but to kill them
(DJ-The war in Turkey against the Kurds was with NATO help and also sometimes came close to genocide.)
https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/19-october-turkish-army-lifted-the-border-wall-across-the DJ-Turkey preparing for another point for invasion east of the earlier points (and into Syrian Arab land-not Kurdish, but SDF controlled).

DJ-Oct22 Putin and Erdogan will meet. At the end Russia wants Turkey out of Syria-without a Syria-Turkey war. So far Turkey is not stopping its war against the Kurds. There is a risk of SAA-Turkish confrontation.

https://www.debka.com/popular-protests-target-lebanons-political-system-for-the-first-time-is-it-a-revolution/
DJ-Just like the Iraq-unrest the unrest in Lebanon is related to the war in Syria.

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/china-makes-move-opecs-no2;
Following a political backlash over details of its plans to make Iran effectively a client state through various multi-layered oil and gas deals, China has switched its attention – for the time being at least – to Iran’s equally oil and gas-rich neighbor, Iraq. China has the advantage in Iraq that the northern part of the country – the semi-autonomous region of Kurdistan – is already under the control of its increasingly close ally, Russia, with its corporate proxy Rosneft having secured control over Kurdistan’s oil and gas infrastructure in a deal in November 2017.

DJ-The main reason Russia-Iran-China can be succesfull in the Middle East is https://www.rt.com/news/471339-israel-obligation-to-bomb-pompeo/;Israel should not be constrained by international borders or laws if it feels under threat, and can always rely on US support, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said following his meeting with the Israeli PM and the chief of Mossad.

DJ-As long as the US treats Israel as a US bridgehead into oil-country relations with the Arab/M.E. world can not get balanced. Israel does not get room to "bomb were it likes" by Russia.
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DJ-https://theduran.com/putins-syria-master-class-signals-end-of-regime-change-wars-video/ The Duran describing the Syria-war with the "west" (US/EU) on the side of regime change-against Assad-even if that meant supporting IS/AQ etc. Western "media" only blaming Assad for war crimes while closing their eyes for even worse insanity by western backed "moderate rebels" with AQ links.

The Russian intervention prevented in 2015 Damascus being taken over by salafast/wahabist extremists. Russia intervened because they did not want a major terrorist base close to southern Russia.

The failed coup attempt against Erdogan-by the US-pushed Turkey towards Russia. (DJ-The faillure of the EU to create a working base for Turkish EU-membership also pushed Turkey away from "the west"-the US wanted the EU to do more.)

During the Obama administration the US had no realistic diplomacy, went after regime change in Syria, Libya. While the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan went on.

Trump may be able to act in a diplomatic way-the US politics has gone mad-with some "politicians" doing everything they can to destroy Trump-even if this would start a major conflict.

At the end it is Putin who (helped by the US chaos) is able to talk to all sides.

https://www.rt.com/news/471260-trump-secured-the-oil-syria/
DJ-Is Trump thinking of leaving some US forces "protecting oil fields" in East Syria ? How does Trump think this will work ? Those forces will soon be isolated by Syria,Iran/Iraq, Russia (SIR). They will not tolerate a new -again US made-IS in that area.

On october 22 Putin will meet Erdogan in Sochi. Most likely the outcome will be that Turkey hands over the border area under Turkish control to Russia and Syria (under some conditions).

https://southfront.org/syrian-war-report-october-18-2019-assad-troops-deploy-on-border-amid-120-hour-ceasefire/, https://syria.liveuamap.com/ Russia, Syria preparing for a major offensive against Idlib.

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DJ-A touch of realism https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/media-and-pundits-misread-the-everyone-wins-plan-for-syria.html;
The U.S. can not "allow Turkey to annex a portion of Syria". The U.S. does not own Syria. It is completely bollocks to think that it has the power to allow Turkey to annex parts of it.

Turkey will not "gain territory". There will be no Turkish "security corridor". The Kurdish civilians in Kobani, Ras al Ain and Qamishli areas will not go anywhere. The Turks will not touch those Kurdish majority areas because they are, or soon will be, under control of the Syrian government and its army.
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These moves have been planed all along. The Turkish invasion in northeast Syria was designed to give Trump a reason to withdraw U.S. troops. It was designed to push the Kurdish forces to finally submit to the Syrian government. Behind the scene Russia had already organized the replacement of the Kurdish forces with Syrian government troops. It has coordinated the Syrian army moves with the U.S. military. Turkey had agreed that Syrian government control would be sufficient to alleviate its concern about a Kurdish guerilla and a Kurdish proto-state at its border. Any further Turkish invasion of Syria is thereby unnecessary.

The plan has everyone winning. Turkey will be free of a Kurdish threat. Syria regains its territory. The U.S. can leave without further trouble. Russia and Iran gain standing. The Kurds get taken care of.

The 'ceasefire' and the retreat of the armed Kurdish groups from the border, which is claimed to have been negotiated yesterday between Pence and Erdogan, had already been decided on before the U.S. announced its withdrawal from Syria.
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I am confident for now that the blob will be held off by Trump and that the Win4 plan will succeed. Erdogan will soon travel to Russia to discuss the next steps towards peace in Syria. The talks will be about a common plan to liberated the Jihadi controlled governorate of Idleb. That step may require a summit between the Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and Erdogan which Russia and Iran will help to facilitate.

With the U.S. removed from the Syria file such steps towards peace will now be much easier.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-turkey-agree-to-fragile-ceasefire-in-northern-syria/, https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/18-october-shelling-in-ras-alain-continues-despite-a-declaredpause.

https://southfront.org/satellite-images-turkey-setting-up-military-posts-in-captured-part-of-northeastern-syria/
DJ-Turkey will have to give up all occupied parts of Syria but wants something in return for that.

Talks between Turkey, Russia and Iran, Syria will make two things clear;
-The Turkish price for leaving Syria
-The US has lost any respect in the Middle East
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DJ-First reactions from the Kurds on the https://www.veteranstoday.com/2019/10/17/intel-drop-erdogan-and-pence-agree-to-fake-cease-fire-with-nobody-who-do-they-think-theyre-foolin/ seems to be welcoming an end-for 120 hrs-of fighting (pro-Turkish proxies, IS, AQ etc) but nobody is thinking of giving up any cm of land to the Turks.

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/17-october-us-senator-martin-heinrich-under-this-socalled;
U.S. Senator Martin Heinrich: Under this so-called ceasefire, Kurdish forces and their families face the impossible choice of fleeing their homes or being ethnically cleansed. Because of Turkey's actions we should seriously reconsider its role in NATO and any future military weapons sales.

DJ-Erdogan and Pence agreed that Syria has to give up a stretch of fertile lands larger than Lebanon to Turkey-without talks to Kurds, Syria or anybody else.

https://www.debka.com/us-and-turkey-agree-on-syria-ceasefire-but-the-ball-is-still-in-the-moscow-damascus-court/ Erdogan and Putin will soon meet. Russia wants Syria to stay intact.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/kurdish-forces-block-syrian-army-russian-military-from-entering-raqqa-video/ and https://southfront.org/syrian-war-report-october-17-2019-syrian-army-entering-kobani-and-raqqa/
DJ-There could be some indications that the SDF is not as united as some think. SAA moving into the oilfields in East (Arab) Syria under Kurdish occupation (and a major source of income) will be a major test.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-military-unlikely-withdraw-syrias-key-oil-fields-report

DJ-I do not think the "cease fire" will work. https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/17-october-syrian-observatory-turkish-forces-completely-encircle Syrian Observatory: Turkish forces completely encircle the city of Ras al-Ain DJ-The Kurds and Syria do want to end the siege of Ras al-Ain, get control of all of the M4 motorway-and get the Turks and "allies" out as soon as possible.

DJ-Another issue is the movements of (pro)Iran forces from Iraq into East Syria. There may be still some US forces in their way. The US may find it harder to provide air-cover in time. The Kurds are no longer "friends"of the US https://southfront.org/trump-calls-pkk-bigger-threat-than-isis-as-senate-attempts-to-block-troops-withdrawal-from-syria/

(DJ-During the cold war the Soviet Union was an ally of the (communist) PKK. NATO did fight the Kurds were they could. )
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https://www.rt.com/news/471165-us-turkey-syria-ceasefire-kurds/
Turkey has agreed to temporarily halt its military operation against Syria’s Kurdish-led militias, allowing them to withdraw from the country’s border, US Vice President Mike Pence said during a visit to Ankara.
“Today the United States and Turkey have agreed to a ceasefire in Syria,” Pence said during a joint press conference with US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

The ceasefire between the Turkish military backed by affiliated militants and the Kurdish-led fighters is set to last 120 hours, according to Pence. This time will be spent on the withdrawal of the Kurdish forces from the 20-mile strip along the Syrian border, where Turkey wants to set up a “safe zone.”

Brett McGurk: The US just ratified Turkey's plan to effectively extend its border 30km into Syria with no ability to meaningfully influence facts on the ground. Turkey says it's the entire border from the Euphrates to Iraq (450x30km) to be controlled by its military forces. Non-implementable
https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/17-october-brett-mcgurk-the-us-just-ratified-turkeys-plan
DJ-When Syria is moving to the Turkish border the US think they can give a 20 miles deep-300 miles wide stretch to Turkey and https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/turkish-army-cutting-off-heads-of-kurds

DJ-"Are you mad "???? (This is an act of US insanity-unacceptable for the Kurds, Russia, Syria, Iran but the US and Turkey are "friends again").

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/syrias-kurds-and-turkey-accuse-each-other-using-chemical-weapons

DJ-A few days ago "moderate western backed terrorists" moved from Idlib NW Syria-via Turkey-to NE Syria to fight the Kurds. Some of those "rebels" did use chemical weapons in East Goutha-Damascus-for wich the west blamed Assad. There have been no reports of Kurds using chemical weapons. (But since the US is dumping the "more dangerous than IS kurds" western media propaganda may go wild again-"bad Putin, bad Assad " blah-blah).
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DJ-Some Turks believe in restoration of some form of a Turkish (Ottoman) Empire. In my opinion Turkey has not the strenght to do much-they are involved in Qatar, Libya-are fighting in Syria, Iraq. Turkey is in conflict with Greece and Cypres on a gas field in the mediterranean.
Turkey needs investors from China, Russian tourism, Iran oil/gas-they can not move into conflict with all of its neighbours.

https://www.debka.com/despite-erdogans-bravado-his-syrian-offensive-is-squeezed-in-a-us-russian-hug/
DJ-Russia and the US do not want Turkey-as a NATO member being pulled into a war with Syria. (If the US wants war with Iran Turkey may be usefull-but such a war would be very difficult to control and destroy western economies.)

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/the-win-win-win-win-plan-for-syrias-northeast-succeeds.html
Syria getting control over all of Syria, return of refugees from Turkey, Iran, Russia, China getting more links to the EU-but is that okay for the US ?
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/syrian-debacle-actually-well-planned-chaos
DJ-Since 2001 the US strategy seems to be to create chaos in the Middle East. IS is a US creation to stop Russia, Iran, China. That goal is still there. I (DJ) doubt if the US is still in a position to keep creating more chaos. Even Saudi Arabia, UAE, and even Israel seems to be moving away from the US.

https://southfront.org/us-considering-ways-to-remove-b61-nuclear-bombs-from-incirlik-air-base-turkey-us-media/
DJ-The US may have to go for damage control. That means pulling back US military from Iraq, Afganistan and Al Tanf-south Syria-may even have to accept being forced out of Turkey.

The US started creating chaos in Afghanistan in the 70's "to give the Soviet Union their own Viet Nam". The Soviet Union pulled out of Afghanistan in 1989. NATO/US is in Afghanistan since 2001-as a result of the chaos they created in the seventies-and they are losing that war.

After using Saddam Hussein against Iran after the 79 Iran islamic revolution the US dumped Saddam Hussein and murdered him after the invasion of 2003. In Libya the same recepy-killing Gadaffi and replacing it by (planned) chaos (and western grab of oil/gas).

That strategy helped the investors in the Military Industrial Complex but destroyed the US (no investments in infra structure, education, healthcare).

The Middle East problem is made in the U.S.A. and they have had more than enough of it. Russia, Iran, China have had enough of "sanctions and insults" from he US. The end result is that "the best deal with the US is no deal at all".

With the EU being sanctioned by the US, trying to force the EU to buy US-LNG, US weapons "or else"-and a US made refugee crisis also the EU is moving away from the US (brexit=UK staying a US ally).

(Again) The outcome so far is the US losing ground in Asia-China becoming the new "super power".

We are not out of the conflict zone yet but the US ability to stop China is decreasing fast.
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DJ-Without World War 1 the Spanish Flu would not have been able to kill between 2 to 5% of the world population between 1917 and 1923.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2019-07-26/measles-flu-more-turkish-parents-are-saying-no-vaccines;
Last year, measles cases increased eight-fold in Turkey with 716 reported cases in 2018, according to the World Health Organization. As of July 10, the number of confirmed cases for 2019 spiked to 1,468, according to monthly data reported by the Turkish government.

According to https://www.unhcr.org/tr/en/refugees-and-asylum-seekers-in-turkey;Turkey continues to host the largest number of refugees worldwide, as the number of people forcibly displaced across the world due to conflict, violence and persecution hit record levels. Turkey currently hosts over 3.6 million registered Syrian refugees along with over 365,000 persons of concern from other nationalities.

DJ-Deportation of (over) 2 million refugees to a small stretch south of the Turkish border in war-torn NE Syria will not improve a present health crisis. Coming flu-season can become problematic.

https://southfront.org/turkish-forces-push-towards-m4-highway-in-area-between-tell-abyad-and-ras-al-ayn-map-update/

https://southfront.org/sdf-damascus-deal-first-details-revealed/
(DJ-Those details are on wich positions the SAA will take over from the SDF. In other news-unconfirmed-there is mention of Kurdish people going into Syrian government posts.)

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201910161077058383-live-updates-turkeys-offensive-in-northern-syria-enters-its-second-week/, https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/16-october-russians-crossing-into-eastern-euphrates-from (DJ-The US did give up positions on the Manbij-Kobani road so the SAA may move to Kobani.)

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/16-october-adviser-to-assad-turkish-aggression-on-the-sovereignty DJ-When both Syria and Iraq consider Turkish moves as stealing part of their country we may expect further escalation/increase of Russian pressure to get Turkey under control.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/stunning-turkey-defense-minister-declares-their-intent-a-turkish-united-states and http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/photo-turkish-president-erdogan-visits-baku-for-liberation-anniversary-136893
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DJ-Some good articles;

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-kurds-face-stark-options-after-us-pullback;
From Washington’s perspective, everything happening in the volatile Iran-Iraq-Syria-Turkey spectrum is subject to two imperatives:

1) geopolitically, breaking what is regionally regarded as the axis of resistance: Iran, Iraq, Syria, Hezbollah; and

2) geostrategically, breaking the Chinese-led Belt and Road Initiative from being incorporated in both Iraq and Syria, not to mention Turkey.

When Erdogan remarked that the trilateral Ankara summit last month was “productive,” he was essentially saying that the Kurdish question was settled by an agreement among Russia, Turkey and Iran.
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What’s happening is a quadruple win.

The US performs a face saving withdrawal, which Trump can sell as avoiding a conflict with NATO alley Turkey.

Turkey has the guarantee – by the Russians – that the Syrian Army will be in control of the Turkish-Syrian border.

Russia prevents a war escalation and keeps the Russia-Iran-Turkey peace process alive.

And Syria will eventually regain control of its oilfields and the entire northeast.
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On the Iraq unrest;
But most of all, Abbas stressed: “Many people I talked to in Karbala think this is the American response to the Iraqi tilt towards China.”

That totally fits with this comprehensive analysis.

Iraq did not follow the – illegal – Trump administration sanctions on Iran. In fact it continues to buy electricity from Iran. Baghdad finally opened the crucial Iraq-Syria border post of al-Qaem. Prime Minister Adel Abdel Mahdi wants to buy S-400 missile systems from Russia.

He also explicitly declared Israel responsible for the bombing of five warehouses belonging to the Hashd al-Shaabi, the people mobilization units. And he not only rejected the Trump administration’s “deal of the century” between Israel and Palestine but also has been trying to mediate between Iran and Saudi Arabia.

https://southfront.org/putins-visits-to-uae-and-saudi-arabia-and-shift-of-balance-of-power-in-middle-east/

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-air-force-intercepts-turkish-f-16-in-northern-syria-media/ and https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-aircraft-threaten-turkish-backed-fighters-who-came-very-close-to-american-troops-in-syria/
(DJ-For the moment US and Russia united against Turkey https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/15-october-senior-us-defense-official-says-turkeys-incursion goes further than agreed with US.

https://www.debka.com/mivzak/russian-su-35-jets-reportedly-thwart-turkish-air-strike-in-manbij/
DJ-Both Russia (and Iran, China) and the US try to get a grip on Turkey.

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/10/article/what-is-more-important-to-putin-saudi-or-iran/ DJ Some people in the US simply do not understand Putin wants/needs both. Russia and China are working together-first to get a grip on EurAsia then to become the "new boss" replacing a bankrupt US. (Some US journalists are blind/live in a tunnelvision. US (and EU) politicians seem to live there as well-out of touch with a high speed changing reality that puts the US on the sidelines.)
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https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/russia-deploys-soldiers-between-syrian-and-turkish-armies
DJ-HT claims Russians moving in between Syrian and Turkish military. (DJ-Problem is Turkey is using proxy-fighters that they not control-(ex)IS, alquida terrorists that hate Russians. These "groups" may start confrontation with Russian forces-and learn the results....)
HT also claims a de facto Russian Electronic Warfare no-fly zone over SE Turkey north Syria-still https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/15-october-turkish-warplanes-have-targeted-saa-convoy-moving one may doubt if there is an effective Russian no-fly zone.

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201910151077050776-live-updates-turkey-continues-op-in-syria-clashing-with-kurdish-led-militia/,

https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13601&start=50;
Breaking: first Russian airstrike targetted Turkey back Jihadists in Manbej.

Lots of unconfirmed info-some may be correct.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-officials-turkey-deliberately-releasing-isis-prisoners-then-blaming-kurdish-forces
(DJ-Many indications for good relations between IS and Turkey.)
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DJ-Two good articles from Debka;

https://www.debka.com/mivzak/syrian-forces-confront-turkish-troops-at-kobani-and-manbij/
https://www.debka.com/russian-warning-halts-turkish-syria-operation-us-pullback-from-e-syria-too-opens-door-to-iran/

Basicly-Russia did allow Turkey "some movements against the Kurds" (for strategic reasons-to get the US, UK, French troops out and the SDF to work with Assad). Russia does not want (Pro)Turkish forces fighting the Syrian Arab Army. The SAA without Russian air cover is not able to stop the (Pro)Turkish forces (DJ-Some of those "rebels/terrorists" are hardly under Turkish control. The Proxies do the frontline "dirty work" backed by Turkish aircover, artillery and some special services (bridge laying etc))

There is a risk of a Russian-Turkish confrontation, Russian forces/PMC's are moving with the SAA.

https://www.debka.com/mivzak/putin-begins-visit-to-riyadh-just-one-month-after-irans-attack-on-saudi-oil/

https://southfront.org/turkish-backed-forces-announce-advance-on-manbij-clash-with-syrian-army/

https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13616

-US putting sanctions on Turkey
-China telling Turkey to stop the invasion into Syria
-https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/erdogan-holding-50-us-tactical-nukes-hostage-trump-authorizes-sanctions
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US blocking SAA moving towards Kobani https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-military-blocks-syrian-armys-entry-into-border-city-video/

https://syria.liveuamap.com/ Pro-Assad forces at some places fighting Turkish backed terrorists.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/syria-regains-its-northeastern-parts.html

DJ-The picture I am getting is that Turkey did reach already 30/50% of its initial goals (M4 motorway). Syria has problems in logistics-to start defense you need heavy weapons and air defense and the right troops.

Syria moving in will stop Turkey from taking over all of the SDF/Kurdish held area's. https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-coalition-bombs-syrian-army-convoy-in-southern-raqqa-sohr/ DJ-The US bombing SAA forces seem to be false.

Still the US, UK, France is not ready in pulling back its troops.
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Some good background articles;

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/margolis-more-stupid-wars-syria DJ-Turkey only has Russia, Iran to turn to, the EU/US do not want to talk with Erdogan. But when Turkey leaves NATO SE Europe/SW Asia "goes to the Russians".

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/compromise-or-genocide-putins-deal-century-rapidly-unfolding-syria DJ-The Kurds could let themselves getting killed by https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/the-moa-week-in-review-ot-2019-59.html "former IS fighters" and other "moderate western backed terrorists" or deal with Assad and Russia.

(DJ-A long term solution for the Kurds could be "cultural cooperation cross borders". The chance for Kurds to get their own state was not backed by the US anytime the last 5 years.)

https://syria.liveuamap.com/, https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13601&start=50

DJ-Pro-Assad forces are moving high speed to take over Kurdish held area's. The SDF-for now-is needed to fight with "pro Turkish groups", most likely not under Turkish control, and the Turkish Army.

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201910131077037552-live-updates-turkey-conducts-offensive-in-syria-for-5th-day-amid-growing-pushback/ DJ-Both France and the US still have troops in NE Syria. To be realistic, events go that fast they may be surrounded in the coming 48 hrs by pro-Assad forces.

Today we will find out;
-How Turkey will respond to the Syria-Kurdish agreement
-Will Russia go for a "no-fly-zone" (some Kurdish held airbases are now under SAA control)
-Will there be control on IS camps (maybe Iraq troops moving in-for the moment ?)
-How will Iran, Israel respond ?

https://www.debka.com/task-of-stopping-turkey-passes-from-trump-to-putin-syrian-army-defends-threatened-kurdish-towns/
Already now, since the Syrian government is not up to a full-scale battle with the Turkish army without Russian army and air force support, Turkey and Russian stand at the threshold of a major military clash.

How Putin handles this standoff is open to question. He may be able to resolve it by giving Erdogan a quiet ultimatum to back off or face direct hostilities with the Russian army. Meanwhile, the Russian leader comes out of the mess created by the Turkish operation having attained the overriding goal of his intervention in the Syrian conflict: to bring all parts of the country under the central rule of the Assad regime.

DJ-From the same article;
Feeling abandoned by the US pullback, the Kurds quickly agreed to relinquish their struggle for an independent state and settle for autonomous status for their northeastern provinces in return for the Syrian army taking over the defense of their endangered towns.

The deal, which took effect within 24 hours, still has rough edges to be smoothed out, such as:

The exact nature of Kurdish autonomous rule and relations with central government in Damascus.
The borders of Kurdish-ruled lands.
The fate of the SDF.
How far will Russian President Vladimir Putin be willing to push back against Turkish President Recep Erdogan for halting his army’s advance into northern Syria.
(DJ-Since the Kurds were a small minority prior to the uprising in Syria, most Kurds in Syria come from Turkey.)

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/10/14/608622/US-Donald-Trump-Turkey-Syria-war; The United States is using “the Turks as de facto mercenaries” in Syria in order to continue Washington's destabilization effort in the war-torn country, an analyst says.
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https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201910131077037552-live-updates-turkey-conducts-offensive-in-syria-for-5th-day-amid-growing-pushback/,
https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/13-october-syrian-army-units-and-units-of-russian-forces,
https://www.rt.com/news/470859-syria-army-turkey-agression/

Russian and Syrian forces moving into SDF/Kurdish held area's to stop Turkey. https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/13-october-a-kurdish-official-confirms-the-holding-of-talks

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/breaking-news-turkish-army-bombs-civilian-convoy, https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/breaking-news-u-s-to-deliberately-withdraw-remaining-troops-in-north-syria

Turkish war-crimes in Syria.

(DJ-Trump knew what would happen after pulling out US forces, shared info with Turkey,https://robinwestenra.blogspot.com/2019/10/the-latest-from-syria.html?fbclid=IwAR2FEO6BxdFStamYHlQU5QtJeNkol14SIZd08gAoVOQDZ8TLqIcjXdhYOuA)

DJ-(Pro)Turkish soldiers seem to be helping IS POW's. Is this coordinated with the CIA ? Is this a "plan B" to try again for regime change in Syria and stop Iran ?

Turkey most likely does not have any reason to trust the US. So Erdogan has to work with the (Astana) Russia, Iran. It can be Russia warned Turkey against its invasion with proxy-jihadi's against the Kurds.

When Turkey does not listen and the Kurds are willing to agree with Assad as Syrian leader some basic agreement may be reached.
-Stop genocide on Kurds by (western moderate rebels/alqauida/IS) pro-Turkish forces.
-Stop IS POW's getting any territory
-Further talks on the position of Kurds in Syria (maybe recognition of Kurdish culture, Kurdish army groups inside the SAA)
But basicly try to stop a new Afrin, clean Syria from (Saudi/US/EU backed) wahabist/salafist radical terrorists.
https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/13-october-syrian-kurdish-officials-say-they-will-work-with Assad

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/syria-declares-war-on-turkey Russian no-fly zone over NE Syria ?
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DJ-First images of mass murders by pro-Turkish forces in NE Syria (the same forces the west supported in Idlib as "moderate rebels" eventhough they are linked with alquaida, IS etc. Saudi sponsored terrorists).

https://southfront.org/turkish-backed-forces-execute-head-of-pro-sdf-syrian-political-party/
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/horror-turk-troops-pull-unarmed-civilians-from-cars-and-shoot-them-all-in-syria

DJ-Ofcourse western "media" keeps this out of the news as well;

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/us-and-french-soldiers-injured-by-turkish-artillery-hits-on-their-base-in-syria,
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/turkey-bombed-us-special-forces-by-mistake-in-northern-syria-newsweek/ (Newsweek left out there were US soldiers killed by Turkey-a NATO partner), https://southfront.org/turkish-artillery-accidentally-shelled-us-forces-deployed-in-northern-syria/

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/putin-casts-doubt-in-turkeys-ability-to-contain-isis-threat-in-syria/

DJ-There are also reports the US shared info on Kurdish positions with the Turkish Army. https://www.businessinsider.nl/us-shared-intelligence-turkey-may-have-aided-attack-on-kurds-2019-10?international=true&r=US

DJ Afrin gets repeated, the Kurds hang on to an illusion. https://southfront.org/kurdish-led-sdf-cries-foul-over-rapid-turkish-advance-in-northern-syria/

DJ-If there are indeed talks between Turkey and Syria-under Russian/Iran supervision those talks better bring results soon. Syria can not accept the Kurdish NE part of Syria being overrun by pro-Turkish (and IS linked) extremists. Syria can not deal with Turkey on its own.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/trump-brings-troops-back-home-to-saudi-arabia.html
DJ-The "west"keeps doing deals with the main IS sponsor Saudi Arabia. Of course the goal is to control oil and gas. The less people that are around the better. IS has shown to be very good in de-population.
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DJ-Main developments on the Turkish invasion in NE Syria will most likely be diplomatic. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-exit-putin-planning-deal-century-between-syria-turkey

The Turks with help from https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/former-us-backed-rebel-leader-now-leading-invasion-against-us-backed-syrian-kurds (and https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/covert-intel-chemical-weapons-reportedly-left-idlib-for-kurdish-turk-war-zone) will get their safetyzone. May get genocidal on the Kurds.

Problem is that the Kurds have created the illusion of their own state without being able to have a proper defense. Since the Kurds do not want to accept Assad government the SAA may be limited in what they can do. (When they would join the Kurds the Kurds want to tell the Syrians what to do-while Syria/Assad wants to tell the Kurds what to do.)

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-govt-rules-out-peace-talks-with-kurdish-forces/ and https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/erdogan-claims-assad-killed-1-million-people-calls-sisi-a-murderer/
DJ-These headlines indicate Russia faces hard negotiations-and most likely (with Iran help-Iran has good relations with both Turkey and Assad-Russia also long term good relations with the Kurds) there may be some "pressure" needed to end the conflicts in Syria.
https://southfront.org/bulgaria-constructs-turk-stream-compressor-stations-before-even-1-km-of-pipeline-is-built/

Russia has several pipelines for oil/gas to the EU. When Turkey is not working good enough with Russia and Iran Russia-Iran-China can stop investments.

Other news;

https://southfront.org/supposed-missile-attack-hits-iranian-oil-tanker-near-saudi-shores/

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/did-china-just-announce-end-us-primacy-pacific

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-exit-cold-war-era-open-skies-treaty-banning-russian-recon-flights-over-us

DJ-The US foreign policy the last decades made many countries move away from the US. One may even claim that the Yugoslavia-wars caused Russia and China not to trust the "west" (with NATO moving much further east than agreed by the end of the Soviet Union etc.)

Using and dumping the Kurds in Syria remind me of US troops leaving Saigon-South Viet Nam after "vietnamizing" the basicly colonial war the US took over from the French in the sixties.

Without respect you can not have global stability. The powerstruggle in the US https://www.zerohedge.com/political/americas-political-implosion, https://www.zerohedge.com/political/most-voters-agree-trumps-withdrawal-endless-wars may even see the US trying to get a new grip on Syria (with a US no-fly zone from US bases in Iraq, Syria-or maybe even a Russian-US cooperation in such a no fly zone ?).
But for the US the damage is done.

One can not blame Trump for starting the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Yemen. Pulling back US interference may bring an end to those wars closer. (It was a war crime to start these wars-former US presidents-but also other western leaders should face trial).

It is unrealistic to think the US can stay "superpower #1" much longer. For that matter Trump needs to talk with Russia, India, China, the EU etc. not more tradewars and sanctions that-at the end-damage the US most.
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carbon20, I think Trump is correct in saying the US should get out of the Middle East(ern conflicts). The endless wars in Afghanistan (since 2001), Iraq (2003), Syria (2011) Libya, Yemen etc. are not in the long-term US interests (only when you make weapons, protect oil interests).

Syria, Russia, Iran have told Turkey the Turkish invasion is unacceptable. They are in a position to stop Turkey. (Russia and China can stop bussiness with Turkey on tourism, new Silk Road etc. Turkey would like to be the link between Asia and the EU-but is making that option impossible now.)

There is a powerstruggle in the US with "democrats" trying to get rid of Trump (and get clinton and biden to run the US-not realy an improvement in my opinion). The CIA seems to be working against the pentagon, IS and alquada are US proxy armies.

When Trump pulls out US forces out of Iraq, Afghanistan there will be (some) chaos-hopefully others can fill the vacuĂźm.

The US problem goes much further than Trump-the US politics is a shame for the leading western nation.

There are some politicians in the US that understand you can not sanction almost every country in the world and expect friendly relations.

For the Kurds it would be wise when they start working with Russia to at least have some protection in Syria. The faillure to do so is a Kurdish (repeated) mistake (they made that mistake also during the Afrin-operations).

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-eyes-oil-fields-across-euphrates-as-turkey-begins-northern-syria-operation/
DJ-A further lack of realism from the Kurdish side may be the end of any Kurdish dream of a Kurdish State.
With most Kurds fighting Turkey, little contol of IS POW's and unprotected oil-fields Syria (and Iran, Russia) will not let IS get in control of oilfields again.
Further Kurdish insanity may give the Kurds Turkish soldiers north of them and Syrian, Russian, Iran military in their back.

There are lots of updates etc. https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201910091076998735-live-updates-turkeys-offensive-peace-spring-in-northeastern-syria-begins/,
https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13601&sid=54ef239b0c64f32138f389115c2c8492&start=20,
https://syria.liveuamap.com/

But the situation is complex and a lot of propaganda and false claims make the news. Basicly-the Kurds have no air force, Turkey has the second largest NATO army and thousends of proxy fighters. The Kurds do not have a realistic chance to keep positions very long.
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Here we go again round And round

On this infinite madness.....

Best bring on the "slate wiper"....

End it once and for all......
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Chump has Blood on his hands now.....

I wonder what the Fool will do next...



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https://www.rt.com/news/470532-erdogan-syria-operation-start/,
https://syria.liveuamap.com/

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/10/09/608250/Iran-Army-surprise-drills-Turkey-border

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/turkish-troops-commenced-invasion-of-syria-en-mass-at-5-30-edt-today;
Turkish troops have started crossing into Syria to force Kurdish militants away from its border. 50,000 troops, 500 tanks. Advance halted 3 kilometers inside border. Aircraft are bombing the Turkish convoys. No word if Syrian or Russian aircraft.

Turkish jets started bombing the Syrian border on Monday night ahead of the ground invasion.

DJ-No further confirmation of air attacks on Turkish forces-the Kurds do not have aircraft. There is some cross-border shelling into Turkey.

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/10/09/608266/Turkey-launches-military-invasion-into-northeastern-Syria-against-YPG-forces-;
Syria vows to confront Turkish operation

Earlier, the Syrian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Expatriates had condemned the Turkish planned military offensive on Kurdish positions in northeastern Syria, stressing the Damascus government's determination to confront the “Turkish aggression by all means.”

The ministry said in a statement released on Wednesday that the Syrian government condemns the “aggressive intentions of the Turkish regime” as well as the Turkish military build-up near the Syrian border, which it said constitutes a “blatant violation to the international law.”

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/10/09/608269/Kurds-view-dialogue-with-Syria-positively DJ-When the Kurds want pro-Assad forces protection they should not wait that long.

The most likely goal is a Turkish safety zone 30km/20 miles deep south of the Turkish border-but this "plan" will not survive the fighting.

https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13601
From here-Turkey airforce operating deep inside Kurdish held Syria a.o. bombing drinking water installations for two million people. https://twitter.com/ELINTNews, https://twitter.com/IntelCrab,

DJ-Syria will not accept this invasion and send most likely troops to help Kurdish fighters. Russia wants Turkey to respect Syria as a country. There was an IS escape, increase of IS activity (coordinated by the CIA ?)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-turkish-troops-tanks-travel-syria-us-backs-away

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/syria-turkey-again-invades.html
The stupidity of the Kurds to (again) allow a Turkish invasion in their areas when there is the clear alternative of submitting the rightful Syrian government is amazing. One of the YPG leaders said yesterday they were "considering" that move. Isn't it a bit late for that?

The YPG Kurds still have not recognized that they were simply used a mercenaries by the U.S. and that their usefulness expired. They still beg those who betrayed them for help: (A no-fly zone ? By the US that is in Syria against international law ??? Or by NATO-Turkey ????)
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/full-turkish-assault-ne-syria-coming-next-24-hours-kurds-make-late-night-appeal and https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/syrian-kurds-say-partnership-assad-or-russia-considered-if-turkey-invades

DJ-"Shadowdancing" on the eve of a Turkish invasion that may not come (at least not as a major operation).

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-deploys-large-number-of-soldiers-to-deir-ezzor-for-potential-euphrates-offensive/,
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-military-spotted-south-of-afrin-city-photo/

DJ-The Kurds/SDF are pulling reserve forces north-so SE Syria is "open".
The Kurds may allow pro-Assad forces there to avoid IS like groups becoming a problem for the SDF facing the Turks.
Also in the already under (pro) Turkish controlled NW Syria Turkey is loking for "rebels" to fight the Kurds. That area may also get less defensed-giving the SAA (etc) room to move north.

The only realistic scenario left for the SDF is https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/sdf-considering-partnership-with-assad-to-fight-off-turkish-invasion/. When the Kurds fail to work with Assad Afrin-scenario is next for other parts of Syria.

https://iraq.liveuamap.com/ DJ-Increase of tensions in North (Kurdish) Iraq.

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/10/08/608204/Russia-warns-actions-that-could-stall-peace-process-in-Syria

DJ-Russia wants to speed up talks in Syria to get out of the war. The outcome could be (I speculate) Russian observers on the Syria-Turkey border ?
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https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/syria-trump-gives-green-light-for-another-turkish-invasion.html

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/7-october-a-turkish-armed-forces-convoy-is-making-entrance

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/turkey-commences-syria-attack-u-s-expels-turkey-from-joint-air-operations-center-cuts-off-intel-and-recon

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/10000-isis-unleashed-syrian-kurds-warn-mass-prison-break-amid-turkish-invasion

https://www.rt.com/news/470397-turkey-bombs-kurds-syria/

DJ-Some scenario's;

-The Kurds have to make a decision on what to do with the many thousends of IS-POW's. Since IS has no problem with genocide on Kurds the outlook for those POW's is "not good".

-Turkey moving into Kurdish held parts of Syria may start a regional Turkish-Kurdish war in Syria, Iraq, Turkey (and most likely all around the globe).

-The US breaking much of the communications with Turkey is the US giving up its main bases for operations in the Middle East.

In the past Turkey and Iran did fight Kurdish groups in Iraq. Iran may think twice on how to deal with the situation in Syria. Kurds there also control Arab parts-wich may be taken over by the SAA (and Iran ?).

Russia does want to limit a Turkish-Kurdish conflict. War is not a bases for Chinese investments. (DJ- I think also Turkey can not afford a very expensive endless war-may seek Russian, Iran mediation.)
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/major-policy-shift-us-pulls-out-syria-ahead-imminent-turkish-invasion;
In a major policy shift that abandons nearly a decade of American policy in Syria, the White House announced late Sunday night that US forces in northern Syria would step aside to allow a planned Turkish offensive. The decision follows late-night haggling between President Trump and President Erdogan, who had threatened a "land and air" offensive "as soon as today or tomorrow."

The United States Government has pressed France, Germany, and other European nations, from which many captured ISIS fighters came, to take them back, but they did not want them and refused. The United States will not hold them for what could be many years and great cost to the United States taxpayer. Turkey will now be responsible for all ISIS fighters in the area captured ove the past two years in the wake of the defeat of the territorial "Caliphate" by the United States."
(DJ-https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/7-october-turkish-media-14-000-fsa-fighters-to-participate Those IS fighters will most likely be used as pro-Turkish fighters against the Kurds. Maybe Russia will "stop" this-bomb them away.)

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-us-forces-allegedly-withdraw-from-turkish-border/;
According to the Syrian Democratic Forces, this Turkish military operation will cause a resurgence of the Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL/IS, Daesh) in the regions they control.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-special-forces-open-new-euphrates-crossing-between-sdf-saa-lines-photos/ and https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/7-october-the-first-consequences-of-the-us-withdrawal--failure
SAA and Russian forces take over (some) US positions (working with the Kurds ???) https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/10/07/608055/US-gives-green-light-Turkish-offensive-Syria

https://www.rt.com/news/470330-europe-new-refugee-crisis-seehofer/

https://sputniknews.com/military/201910071076978054-russia-to-implement-contracts-for-delivering-weapons-to-iraq/, https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/10/07/608053/Iraq-protests-evidence-paid-snipers,
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/israel-to-begin-new-air-defense-project-focused-on-cruise-missile-attack-from-iraq-media/

DJ-Is the US moving out of the Middle East or escalating the (many) conflicts in the area-or both ?

With US forces pulling out in some Kurdish held parts of Syria Kurdish groups may start working-on some conditions-with pro-Assad, Russian forces (?)

The "unrest" in Iraq seems to be another cia-job. It is related to events in Syria and meant to stop Iran, but also to stop Russia and China. Most likely this US operation will fail but can bring a lot of more damage.

The EU is not happy with;
-1 higher energy prices
-2 The US punishing Iraq for a electricity contract with a German company in stead of a US company
-3 Another refugee-crisis, more (US made) wars
-4 The US still making any Iran-deal impossible (even with Macron, Merkel pushing for US-Iran talks)

The gap between the EU and the US is only getting wider.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/saudi-crown-princes-final-option;
Open support for MBS will be in place very soon, with Russian president Vladimir Putin expected to head to Riyadh very soon. In stark contrast to the waning Trump-MBS friendship, Putin is openly a big supporter of the crown prince’s strategy and dreams. Russian sovereign wealth fund RDIF and others are flocking to Riyadh’s hotels as further evidence of Russian support. Moscow appears set to capitalize on Washington’s weak response to the recent attacks in Saudi Arabia, and MBS will be eager to take advantage. A closer Saudi-Russian relationship may end up helping to restrain Iran, as the Islamic Republic is heavily dependent on Moscow’s support.

(DJ-Saudi Arabia moving away from the US would again bring an end to the US-petro-$ closer. Yet another indication for the total failure of US foreign policy.
Turkey moving into Syria-if it happens-would do a lot of damage to NATO.)
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https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/the-us-led-coup-attempt-in-iraq-may-further-weaken-that-country.html and https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-iran-silent-war-suddenly-transformed-iraq-uprising:
The critical economic situation is making the Middle East vulnerable to unrest. Most countries are suffering due to the US sanctions on Iran and the monstrous financial expenditure on US weapons. US President Donald Trump is trying hard to empty Arab leaders’ pockets and keep Iran as the main scarecrow to drain Gulf finances. The Saudi war on Yemen is also another destabilizing factor in the Middle East, allowing plenty of room for tension and confrontation.

Iraq seems headed for instability as one aspect of the multidimensional US war on Iran; the US is demanding support and solidarity from Gulf and Arab countries to stand behind its plans. Iraq is not conforming to all US demands. The Iraqi parliament and political parties represent the majority of the population; regime change is therefore unlikely, but neighboring countries and the US will continue to exploit domestic grievances. It is not clear whether Abdel Mahdi will manage to keep Iraq stable. What is clear is that US-Iran tensions are not sparing any country in the Middle East.

DJ-Iraq is between Iran and Saudi Arabia (R.I.C. and U.S.I.). Looking at the region the US is NOT in a position to get Iraq under control, Iran is.

By increasing pressure on Iran's neighbours the US may find they will further lose ground.

https://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2019/7-october-kurdish-sources-are-reporting-the-withdrawal-of and https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-military-increases-presence-in-northern-aleppo-to-block-potential-turkish-army-operation-video/

DJ-A Turkish invasion of Kurdish held parts of Syria must be part of talks in the Astana-group between Turkey, Iran and Russia. In my (DJ) opinion such a Turkish invasion may be used to force Kurdish groups to make up their mind. Do they want to be under Assad or Ankara ? (The chances for a Kurdish state are zero).
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DJ-Allthough there is no doubt some reality in the Russian claim of US support for IS to block the Iraq-Syria border https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/isis-carries-out-attack-against-syrian-troops-in-deir-ezzor/- I (DJ) also think https://www.debka.com/the-hidden-hand-stirring-up-unrest-in-iraq-at-cost-of-100-lives-4000-injured-sadr-at-tehrans-behest/ may be close to reality.

From the article;
This government was finally established as a weak compromise after a long stalemate following Iraq’s general election last year. It has never been stable enough to pursue a clear and consistent policy on any issue, least of all the country’s profound security and economic woes.

The protesters’ grievances are convincing. Unemployment runs at 7.9pc – up to 20pc among young men – while a quarter of the population of 40 million lives in abject poverty with an average income of $2 a day.

Their plight is all the more painful in a country that holds around a quarter of the world’s oil reserves and exports 5 million barrels day (roughly half of the Saudi output). Iraq could be one of the wealthiest countries of the Middle East if only its earnings did not vanish inside a convoluted web of corruption.

The wave of disaffection gives Iran fertile soil for its plan to dominate Baghdad; and it gained an extra fillip from the removal of a major obstacle from its path.
In the second half of September, the prime minister sparked the first demonstrations by the removal of the popular Gen. Abdul Wahhab al-Saadi as commander of the Iraqi Counter-Terrorism Service to a post in the defense ministry. This service is the only effective operational branch of Iraq’s armed services. The general was acclaimed as a national hero for leading the operation that routed the Islamic State and drove the jihadists from the roughly 50 percent of the country’s territory they had seized. Al-Saadi is also admired as that rare bird, an honest official. Tehran and its satellite Iraqi Shiite militias found in the popular general a major impediment to their plans to gain control of Baghdad and the national army.
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DEBKAfile’s sources recall that the Shiite cleric Muqtada Sadr, head of the largest bloc in the Iraqi parliament, paid an unexpected visit to Tehran on Sept. 11. This visit caused much surprise because Sadr was reputed to be a leading opponent of Iran’s presence in Baghdad. Yet, all of a sudden, he appeared in a photo together with Iran’s supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and its Middle East commander, the Al-Qods chief Gen. Qassem Soleimani. The content of their conversation in the ayatollah’s private office was never revealed. But it is self-evident that Soleimani’s participation could only mean that religion was not their main topic.

On Saturday, Oct. 5, when Prime Minister Abdel-Mahdi lifted the curfew over Baghdad, Muqtadr called for a new general election in Iraq. It may be assumed that, acting on the deal he reached during his Tehran visit, he is aiming for an election to grant his own faction plus the pro-Iranian militias’ political groups a parliamentary majority. They will then have the power to annul the prime minister’s decrees in recent weeks to disband those militias and integrate them in Iraqi army units. The door would then be open for Tehran to gain a solid foothold in Baghdad.

https://www.rt.com/news/470289-saudi-kurdish-tv-stormed-baghdad/ DJ-may also indicate shia-militia.

The US-Saudi-Israel (USI) against Russia-Iran-China (RIC) conflict is also https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/10/05/607891/Philippines-Duterte-Russia-ties-Sochi-US-criticism

DJ-China's strategy in Hong Kong looks like;
1 contain it to Hong Kong avoid further spread
2 make Hong Kong suffer for the protests (less tourism, companies moving to Shanghai, economic damage)
3 put in more and more police, security forces etc. to break down protest but avoid as much as possible a major crack down.
For China Hong Kong is a local problem, keeping the economy going, in the middle of a pork-crisis, means getting more control on oil/gas around the globe.

China is buying agriculture products from eastern Russia, air defense also from Russia. The plan to send over 5000 "security staff" to protect Chinese investments in Iran is also part of the struggle.
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/china-launches-hd-satellite-monitor-belt-and-road-projects The New Silk Road is essential for China's plan to become a major world player.
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DJ-Turkey preparing major anti-Kurdish operation in SDF-East Syria. Turkey will face US (and UK, France ???) forces.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/erdogan-sunday-set-turkeys-incursion-ne-syria-pentagon-waffles-kurdish-proxies,
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/sdf-warns-of-all-out-war-if-turkey-invades-northern-syria/ (DJ-PKK and several other Kurdish groups are allied-the US does not seem to be able to get that point. A Turkish attack on the SDF could mean SDF and PKK (etc) forming one front.)
https://www.rt.com/news/470294-turkey-syriam-border-reinforcements/

DJ-Both in Hong Kong and Iraq violent anti-government protests. Both can be seen as a CIA supported attempt to stop China from becoming the dominant economic power.
The wars in Syria and Iraq would do 3 things;
1-Iran-Lebanon land route giving Iran more room to "deal" with US (insane) sanctions
2-Russia-Mediterranean (and via Iran Indian Ocean) landroute
3-China-EU "New Silk Road" (DJ-China may deal with Iraq unrest by investing in infrastructure for trade with EU and in Iraq oil industry. Also Iraq is a main distribution point for oil/gas from the Middle East to China, EU)
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-attempting-to-block-new-syrian-iraqi-crossing-from-opening-russian-media/

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/10/how-an-ever-sanctioning-superpower-is-losing-its-status.html

https://www.facebook.com/pepe.escobar.77377

https://southfront.org/syrian-war-report-october-4-2019-iran-foils-attempt-to-assasinate-commander-of-qods-force/

https://southfront.org/saudi-arabia-halts-airstrikes-on-yemen-al-mayadeen/ DJ-With more and more the "Yemen-war" moving into Saudi Arabia, pressure from Pakistan, Iraq, for talks-and in the background both Russia (leading OPEC+) and China (main global investor in oil/gas) Saudi Arabia may consider talks on Yemen (and even talk with Iran).

DJ-The US may try to use IS again as a weapon in Iraq, Syria (etc-IS is also in Yemen, Afghanistan, Libya-everywere the US goes IS goes). It may not work that much longer.
-Turkey did support IS in 2011, EU countries did allow thousends of EU citizens to join IS in those days. Both changed.
-Russia and China realize IS is a US weapon against them (DJ-the nazi's were a western creation against Stalin, the Soviet Union-history based on lies and propaganda is fake-history. Divide-and-rule-strategies are very old.) Both Russia, Iran, China will not allow IS to become a major factor.
-Israel did support the Kurds and IS (etc) against Assad/Iran. Israel may not be in a position to do much. Russia is in air control over Syria. To much support from Israel (Netanyahu) may damage relations with Russia and China (Gantz could be the next Israeli PM and may not like the US-Saudi-Israel secret wars any longer).
-Saudi Arabia, Gulf States supported IS, alquaida etc. (KSA was behind 9-11-2001-the US needed Saudi oil). With the US becoming the #1 in oil production Saudi Arabia/Gulf States need better relations with both Russia and China. (Above that Saudi Arabia is as good as bankrupt by fighting expensive wars, is in conflict with several other Arab neighbours (from Syria, Iraq, Yemen to Qatar, UAE). Saudi Arabia and Turkey were allies in 2011-now they to are in conflict.

DJ-By further creating chaos, hijacking protests in Iraq, Hong Kong the US-CIA wants to put pressure on China and force Trump to keep forces in the Middle East. (Or even start a war with Iran).

The EU is not waiting for another influx of refugees. The world is not waiting for exploding energy-prices.

Support for barbarism via groups like IS (HTS etc in Idlib) is "very limted" in the M.E. area. Many people wondering why IS was so pro-Israel. Why IS was using US weapons and driving around in Japanese pick-ups, IS selling oil to western/Israeli oil companies at very low prices.

The chaos in the Middle East mirrors the chaos in the US "politics" with "democrats" fighting for corrupt scum like biden, even h.clinton thinking of entering the presidential race. Are these "democrats" willing to start world war 3 to win the US election ? (DJ-I am not a fan of Trump but the insanity of US (and UK) "politics" is shocking. Tulsi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard and a few others are signs of hope in a dark desert.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/europe-cracks-are-beginning-show, https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/thinking-unthinkable-saying-unsayable

DJ-The EU-in different steps-is moving towards "working with Asia". From northstream1+2, turkstream to railroad connections with China European investments in Asian countries the "western dominance" of the world is coming to an end.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/09/us-ships-more-air-defense-systems-that-do-not-work-to-saudi-arabia.html

The US (in some ways maybe with UK) will not be able to stop Asia as the dominant market (with over 50% of the global population).

DJ-In my opinion the US "may change positions", dump the EU to compete with the EU in Asia. Problem for a UNITED states is that working with a not very united Europe may be easier, also landroutes make a difference.

https://southfront.org/russian-defense-minister-on-power-balance-and-current-military-and-political-situation-on-global-scene/,
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DJ-For the moment no war between the US and Iran. But many steps are needed to de-escalate.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/09/cia-celebrates-18-years-of-war-in-afghanistan.html

DJ-A major problem is the way the US thinks they can "rule the world".

https://theduran.com/tulsi-gabbard-shoots-straight-on-the-middle-east-like-a-soldier-should/ DJ-I "love" the way Tulsi Gabbard makes clear the Saudi's have to stop financing alquaida (and IS).

https://theduran.com/attack-on-saudi-aramco-facilities-exposes-mbs-weakness-as-flotation-to-save-kingdom-jeopardized-video/
DJ-I do NOT agree Iran did play a (major) role in the attacks on Saudi oil installation. WHEN Iran would be behind that it would not damage it 50% but 100%. There is no proof for the Iran-claim.

Still;

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/us-spy-plane-operated-drones-that-attacked-hmeymim-base-in-syria-russia/,
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/new-reports-of-airstrikes-on-syrian-border-city-of-albukamal/,(DJ-Saudi attacking pro-Iran Iraqi militia in Iraq/Syria border area)
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-air-force-blocks-israeli-airstrikes-in-syria-media/

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/president-trump-orders-u-s-troops-missiles-sent-to-saudi-arabia,
https://www.rt.com/news/469277-troops-air-defenses-saudi-uae/

DJ-Further escalation is just around the corner. Even when the US returned to the Iran-deal it also needs to review its partners.
The US. NATO or Israel should not choose to do any bussiness with main supporters of wahabist extremism/terrorism. KSA and other gulf states are doing so-spreading a backward version of Islam from Nigeria to Kashmir, Jawa-Indonesia and even Europe and US.

Oil, fossil fuel, is outdated-killing us all. By giving oil the major role "we" did in the 20th century "we" gave power to people that were not ready for that.
By using wahabism-as the US did-to create chaos in Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, Iran you create terrorism instead of fight it.

"The war on terror" is bringing us a totalitarian state-only in name a democracy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia%E2%80%93United_Arab_Emirates_relations and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar%E2%80%93Saudi_Arabia_relations

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DJ-Of course attacking Iran for the Houthi/Yemen attack on Saudi oil installations (a military target, Saudi-main IS sponsor-is in a genocide-war with Yemen (with US/UK a.o. help) is pretty insane.

Still a lot of US "politicians" think it is a good idea. Trump goes back to his election promise of getting the US out of never ending wars-at least by not starting another even worse war (with Iran-indirect with China wich plans to put over 5000 security personal to protect Chinese investments in Iran. China may have done something like that in Venezuela-also under US attack).

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/triumph-candidate-trumps-foreign-policy-backing-war-iran

DJ-When there is no end to those wars the next crisis is around the corner. https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/09/the-crisis-over-the-attack-on-saudi-oil-infrastructure-is-over-we-now-wait-for-the-next-one.html

https://southfront.org/u-s-deploys-advanced-electronic-warfare-plane-in-middle-east/

DJ-The only way out is in words not in bombs. The "Iran-deal" may not be Trump wanted but could be-for the moment-an opening for talks.

A lot of damage is already the result of a US foreign policy best described as "bizar". Get rid of Saudi wahabist extremists that sponsor IS terrorists that are out of CIA control. A way to do so is talks with Russia, China on these kind of wahabist countries that get in power by selling oil. "We"have to stop doing anything with "them", should not enrich our fundamental enemies.

(Moderate muslims are the majority-the west did attack them, and orthodox christians-in Iraq, Syria-stupid !)
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DJ-Eventhough there is no real proof Iran was behind the attack on Saudi oil installations, there is no international support for a war against Iran, still the US seems to be moving towards such an insane war.

When you look at the Afghan-war since 2001, Iraq-war 2003, Syria-war 2011, Libya-war, Yemen-war what does Trump expect ?

The EU, Merkel does want the US to again join the Iran-deal, Macron wants an independent investigation on the attacks. China just made a major investmentprogram with Iran-the US is attacking two main oil suppliers of China; Venezuela and now Iran-China has every reason to consider this move as an indirect decleration of war by the US against China (and will act in such a way).

What to expect when the US would be crazy enough to start a war with Iran ?

-1 The war would explode all over the Middle East. Pro-Iran groups are in Iraq, Syria, Yemen. US-goals in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan will become frontlines.
-2 Yet another attack by the US on a Muslim-country will be seen as an attack on Islam by many.
-3 In the US giving support to the main sponsor of IS, a corrupt "royal family" claiming to own all of the country and going for a major war in defense of that "royal criminal gang" will further divide the already not so United States. (If BoJo is that stupid to put the UK in such a war chaos in Brexit-UK will become even larger. The UK has to pay the EU billions for breaking up all kind of agreements-the UK will go broke.)
-4 There is no point in trying to talk with the US for Russia, China (etc) the only outcome is that the US only want their goals-no compromises.
-5 Most likely such a war would bring NATO close to its ending. Turkey is-more or less- an ally of Iran. The EU does want an Iran-deal and did not forget the US/Trump sabotaged it. Another refugee-crisis is "not welcome".
-6 The Yemen-war is already more and more fought in Saudi Arabia, Yemen forces will keep attacking Saudi oil installations. The Gulf-region, more likely a wider region-will stop exporting oil/gas. Bringing the global economy in a major crisis.
-7 Most likely Saudi Arabia will become the main battle field-not Iran.
-8 Israel most likely will not stay out of the chaos. A "limited war" may be the best they can hope for-when Israel attacks Iran there are that many weapons Israel may "come to an end".
-9 Already cholera was a major issue in Yemen. A major war will become a very major-global-healthcrisis.
-10 Since a war with Iran will be another "never ending war" western media will get even more censored, the end of free internet etc. Increase of (false flag) terrorism etc.

Some links;

https://www.rt.com/news/469114-iran-missile-saudi-yemen-oil/
KSA has no proof of Iran-link
https://twitter.com/Brasco_Aad/status/1174393677474664454;
Japan: We will under NO circumstance will send troops to the Persian Gulf region. We will only offer our diplomatic means to try to resolve this issue.
https://southfront.org/gulf-war-report-u-s-starts-preparations-for-war-with-iran/
https://southfront.org/houthis-reveal-new-details-about-2019-abqaiq-khurais-attack/
https://southfront.org/air-defense-systems-fail-all-the-time-pompeos-visit-to-saudi-arabia-turned-into-theater-of-absurd/
https://southfront.org/iran-and-china-to-start-25-year-strategic-partnership-with-400-billion-in-investments/ (DJ-Iran is also a major partner for both India and Pakistan, with Turkey expected to become SCO member, Iran is the cornerstone for the New Silk Road China is working on. Again-a US attack on Iran is an attack on China and Russia. )
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/who-really-benefits-iran-attacked-saudi-arabia-narrative:
US involvement in the Middle East thus far has led to nothing but disaster. While total financial costs are often debated, general estimates of the combined costs of US involvement in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Pakistan are in the area of $5 trillion (a conservative estimate in my opinion). The civilian body count from the Iraq war alone stands at around 208,000 people according to Iraqbodycount.org. US, Israeli and Saudi Arabian covert agencies involved in Libya and Syria trained, funded and armed the same militants that would eventually give rise to ISIS under a program called Timber Sycamore. And, though we continually hear about Trump's intentions to pull US troops out of the region, tens of thousands of soldiers and private contractors remain in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria to this day.

No person in their right mind could claim that US foreign policy in the Middle East has been successful. In fact, the US has lost considerable face and economic stability during these conflicts, which have been perpetuated by BOTH Republican and Democratic administrations. And now, the potential for a war in Iran is rising; a war that could devastate the US economy once and for all.
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29874/the-strike-on-saudi-oil-facilities-was-unprecedented-and-it-underscores-far-greater-issues
The angle of impact is not an indication of were the weapons came from.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/covert-intel-u-s-military-orders-unprecedented-activations-not-seen-since-iraq-war DJ-Hal Turner hints that the US is preparing military action.
A possible scenario could be an attack on Yemen targets (that claim the attack).

https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13553

https://sputniknews.com/world/201909181076831302-zarif-on-us-blaming-iran-for-saudi-aramco-attack-washington-should-look-at-realities-in-region/

https://theduran.com/oil-at-100-per-barrel-attack-on-saudi-refineries-could-shake-oil-market-further/

DJ-Yemen has warned there will be more attacks on Saudi oil installations. A US/western attack on Iran will crash the global economy. Even when Russia and China stay out of the fighting the time for diplomacy is gone. We may find ourself in a "colder war" than we can imagine.

AS a result "free press" (including internet) will become a thing of the past. A modern form of totalitarian "democracy" (run by big companies) will be "normal".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Perfect_Day, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four may be to optimistic.

A de facto global war in combination with climate collapse may bring the end.
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DJ-While the "western embedded media" keep spreading propaganda more and more indications show up that the attack on Saudi oil installations did NOT come from Iran.

-The US-made defenses of KSA are facing (with a 120 degree-not 360 degree radar) the Iran coast and would pick up the weapons coming from Iran. The US radar did thus miss the 240 degree radar did not cover when the drones etc. came from the west.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/09/how-russian-and-iran-beat-their-opponents-strategies.html

As https://southfront.org/gulf-war-report-u-s-saudi-sources-claim-attack-on-saudi-oil-was-launched-from-iran/ makes clear Saudi managed to also get in conflict with not only Iran and Yemen but also Qatar and U.A.E. (and the shia-minority in NE KSA).

With that limited "proof" claiming Iran "did it" is insane.

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-liwaa-al-quds-send-reinforcements-to-sdf-front-lines-in-deir-ezzor/ US forces in South Syria have gotten into conflict with Iraqi-militia (in a Kurdish held area) so now the Syrian Army is moving in to "limit the damage".

At the same time https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/erdogan-proposes-creation-of-refugee-city-at-syria-peace-talks/ Turkey want to put Syrian refugees in-until recent-Kurdish held area's. Turkey and the US are creating a safe zone-in the same time Turkey and Iran are working on anti-Kurdish plans. (With Russia trying to provide some safety for the Kurds-and the Kurds not willing to compromise with the Assad government for now.)
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DJ-I do not believe Iran was involved in any attack on Saudi oil installations. Iran needs good relations both with Russia and China-and both countries are also involved in investments in Saudi Arabia.

https://www.scmp.com/business/banking-finance/article/2115709/china-offers-buy-5-cent-aramco-directly-giving-it and https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/16/new-security-fears-jeopardize-saudi-aramcos-public-stock-offering.html

China would like to get more control over Saudi energy-an Iran attack would frustrate China's interest.

Saudi Arabia is spending billions per month on the Yemen war-Saudi needs a "better price" for oil and gas. Both KSA and Israel fear Iran but know they can not win from Iran in a war without US/NATO support.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/17/saudi-arabia-has-to-explain-how-its-oil-assets-in-abqaiq-were-attacked-says-ex-us-diplomat.html After the US and China Saudi is spending the most on weapons. How was it possible that the saterday attack could take place ????

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/09/damage-at-saudi-oil-plant-points-to-well-targeted-swarm-attack.html;
The hits were extremely precise. The Yemeni armed forces claimed it attacked the facility with 10 drones (or cruise missiles). But the hits on these targets look like neither. A total of 17 hits with such precise targeting lets me assume that these were some kind of drones or missiles with man-in-the-loop control. They may have been launched from within Saudi Arabia.

https://theduran.com/war-with-iran-only-likely-in-2nd-presidential-term/;
The drone attacks on the Aramco oil refinery at Abqaiq and Khurais oil field is – in my opinion – one of the best carried out operations in decades. It’s so open to interpretation, and it serves the hegemon’s narrative so well. If the Houthis have such tactical and strategic capabilities, why didn’t they deploy them sooner against Saudi Arabia? Something must have changed. They must have received better equipment, training or specialists, plus intel. Or maybe the Saudis deliberately let their guard down? The whole thing doesn’t smell right. If it was indeed carried out by Iran via proxy, then it’s a hands down master stroke; the message being: that’s how strong we are, and we can inflict a lot worse if you invade us.

Putting that question aside, war with Iran, even if it would appease the Zionists and the Saud crime family, it would kill Trump’s chances of reelection. He can’t win simply with the hardcore republicans, he needs the moderate vote too. And even his loyalists, some of them at least, are deploring his hawkish policy toward Iran – because he vowed to keep the country out of another Middle Eastern quagmire.

Israeli propaganda claims; https://www.debka.com/exclusive-iran-shot-missiles-from-khuzestan-drones-from-w-iraq-at-saudi-oil-facilities/ fit in with an "anti-Trump" campain.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/468935-saudi-oil-field-drone-attack/
KSA has US weapons-do they do their job ? https://www.rt.com/news/468948-putin-saudi-arabia-missiles/;Russian President Vladimir Putin has suggested Saudi Arabia should buy Russian air defense systems to protect its oil facilities from drone attacks, pointing to Iran and Turkey, who operate S-300 and S-400 missiles, respectively.

https://www.rt.com/business/468985-oil-surge-100-saudi-attacks/
A US attack on Iran would "crash" the global economy.

https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13544&start=60 Eventhough there is talk of US military action against Iran for the false flag/Yemen attacks on Saudi oil infrastructure-I (DJ)-do not see a major US action against Iran as very likely.

Not only one could question wether Iran was involved in this attack (maybe even the U.A.E.-now also in conflict with KSA played a role-by giving Yemen info), Russia and China will make very clear they will do all they can to "limit damage" from any US actions.

China, India, but also Turkey, Pakistan a.o. most likely even the EU "will not welcome further US actions" as a result from Trump breaking the Iran-deal (mostly because Obama made that deal).

In my opinion it would be wise when Trump went on a diplomatic offensive. For now-if you want peace in any region you go to Russia for diplomacy, China for investment-if you want war you go to the US.
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DJ-President Trump has a choice between yet another major war or de-escalation. In my opinion de-escalation would show responsibility.
The attack on the Saudi oil installation may have been an (Israeli /US ?) false flag. Aramco may sell shares to China-bringing Saudi oil industry in Chinese hands.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/u-s-locked-and-loaded-to-proceed-over-saudi-oil-refinery-attack

https://www.rt.com/news/468857-iran-us-drone-attack/and
https://www.rt.com/news/468899-nuclear-war-strategic-weapons/

DJ-A major attack on Iran could trigger other conflicts;
https://www.rt.com/news/468888-india-pakistan-lose-kashmir/

https://www.defconwarningsystem.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=13544&start=40

https://www.debka.com/us-intel-suspects-iranian-cruise-missiles-hit-saudi-oil-facilities-from-iraq-base/
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