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    Posted: February 02 2020 at 2:47pm
Ok you experts let's say that you are ill and get a cytokine storm. How much statins should a person take for this?

How do you know you have a cytokine storm?
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If you have a cytokine storm, your organs are failing and outside of the ICU you are dead absolutely for certain.

If you are in the ICU, the doctors are arguing heatedly over your care and trying all sorts of very specialist treatments, Interleukins, interferon, steroids, anti-inflammatorys, ahtihistamines and you could survive if very, very lucky.

The term cytokine storm was first coined to describe a feature of graft V host disease (rejecting a transplant). It happens very occasionally in infections as well, if the immune system is in full on overdrive.

Although these reactions are termed a cytokine storm, the very term cytokine storm covers a wide range of conditions, the symptoms are the same and equally deadly, but on a cellular level every storm is different.

Cytokines are inflammatory proteins produced in all cases of infection to elicit and control the counter-attack. They are different for each infectious agent and vary somewhat according to the genetics of the host. Before the doctors start the arguments they run a battery of tests to determine the general composition of the cytokines. Only then can they hazard a guess at the right treatment options. Get the wrong ones and the patient dies. Get the right ones and you can get lucky and save the occasional patient.

Statins are not on the list of substances used as far as I am aware, I could be wrong, but even if I am, the treatment is far too specialised to be done outside the ICU.

In theory, you could head off a cytokine storm before it gets fully underway, but that would interfere with the immune response to the pathogen and could just as easily kill the patient that way.

I'm all for tourniquets, breathing seesaws, cpr and loads of other rough-and-ready home remedies in an emergency. But not with this response, you would kill your patient for certain.
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Techno, well said.
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Oh well worth a try...I always try to be prepared! Not on this one!
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Absolutely!

Herbally I can make, atropine, digitalis, ergotamine, and several other specialist and supposedly dangerous substances. I can make a herbal alternative to epilipsy drugs, topical steroids and painkillers.

The last time I spoke to an emergency doctor, he was astonished I could take and compare the pulse in both ankles (I was checking for massive internal bleeding in the femoral artery). I am no doctor, but I have learned a huge amount simply from an interest in medicine, science, herbalism and animal husbandry.

Cytokine storm? Hands off. I am so out of my league, I can't see the starting line.








Atropine - alcoholic extract of atropa belladonna (deadly nightshade)
Digitalis - decoction of digitalis purpuream (foxglove)
Epilepsy drugs - scopolamine - pretty basic but it will keep you alive - hysocyamus niger - (henbane)
Steroids, saponin containing plants, sambucus niger (elder) leaf, or Scrophularia nodosa (knotted figwort) or soapwort - sorry I can't remember the latin name of that one. - extraction by boiling in fat
Painkillers aspirin, salex alba (white willow - but any willow will do) phloem (inner bark layer), opioid, wild lettuce - I have the seed but can't remember the latin name again.
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If you want to have a real herbal and not the rubbish usually published, try:   A Modern Herbal By Maude Grieve, C.F. Leyel, Mrs. C. F. Leyel
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There is a herbal remedy allopathy has not caught up with yet.

Camphor.

Most bronchiodilators are vasoconstrictors (if it helps your lungs it hurts your heart) Camphor is an exception. It is a bronchiodilator and not a vasoconstrictor.

It also restricts the growth of pneumococci. It will not kill them, but they find it hard to reproduce when in the presence of camphor. This buys the immune system some time to kill them. The bacterial conntrol effect only works on pneumococci, but that is one form of pneumonia that can bite after a nasty lung-chomping virus.
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