Tracking the next pandemic: Avian Flu Talk |
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Albert
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Posted: February 21 2020 at 4:16pm |
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Couldn't help but to notice that the outbreak in the Middle East has no ties to China, with a much higher CFR. A possible new variant and mutation? In Italy, 1 of 6 cases has died. Has China been withholding info? The new variant? I would say a possible combo of both. Not claiming slate-wiper here lol, but watch this lab *accident* outbreak from China very closely. Many reports, studies and groups have said not wise to mess with labs due to potential accidents that can happen. Of course not a bio weapon, but just a dumb accident / leak. Many countries feel it's necessary to create a vaccine ahead of time should a bad bug return. That's why I believe China messed with SARS. There were also many controversies surrounding labs messing with bird flu at the risk of accidents. I really don't get this super-bug. |
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Albert
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Also remember, you all can't handle a 2% - 4% CFR pandemic, lol. A category 5 pandemic is a death rate of 2%. Doesn't need to be a slate-wiper. Not sure you all could handle it regardless.
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The 2% or 2.5% would definitely suck, and scare happens when ones kid/ family member die, or the neighbor across the street is wrapped and carted away..... not so bad when it happens in another country.....and at 2.5% someone you know is going to die.
The social/economic destruction in a modern society is another thing...that I really worry about. And any social unrest stemming from a breakdown in the status quo concerns me as well. The world is a different place than it was in 1918....people are different. |
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I know very qualified people calling this a bio weapon. Chinese infected with low CFR version. Builds herd immunity Iran infected with high CFR Just putting it out there ?????
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Gdeb
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I suspect the CFR is China is just as high...they just hid everything.
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Albert
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News coming in that the Iran strain is different.
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Albert
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No doubt. Also possible new variant / mutated strain emerging in the Middle (and possibly Europe). |
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This thing is really testing my optimism βΉοΈ.
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Albert, some might; open to suggestions for preps, worst case scenarios, etc. Worth trying. |
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What Gdeb said. Someone forgot to ring up Iran and tell them to keep the data under their hats. CCP has a phonetree malfunction.
I'm disturbed by wu for many reasons, not least of which is that I work with the elderly. Regular flu seasons with everyone vaccinated are deadly enough in my workplace. Give us a 2-2.5% CFR and disease we cannot be vaccinated for, it makes my heart shudder. Knowing what budget constraints we have, adequate PPE is a pipedream. I also happen to fall into the at risk category, but we don't just stop taking care of people. I don't consider this anything like a bad cold. |
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Everyone country is suppressing the numbers. They don't want to be labeled a risk or create undue panic. Everyone blames China for suppression, but every country is doing the exact same thing. We think we are a free people.... wrong we are all slaves to the system. I know doctors and nurses in Australia aren't allowed to talk about cases in the hospital. Its covered under the public health acts in each state. Patients details are confidential. Also once a virus is labeled a health emergency, Mandatory reporting is a requirement and the feds takeover. |
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Albert
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Hi Ph, not sure about the source, but things seem a little off with it all. https://mobile.twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1230970188117479425?fbclid=IwAR3B9YK4LUaf84GU2Xan89kAJMIROs3PKUNHYchCjaw86U0DJCK0UcHSC7c |
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None of you are posting news from credible sources. The guy talking new strain in Iran doesnβt have credible info!! Iran has not released gene sequence of their strain!β That comes from Fauci himself. Sounds to me like the rumor mill is alive and well
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Minoo Mohraz, an Iranian health ministry official, said the virus βpossibly came from Chinese workers who work in Qom and traveled to China.β She did not elaborate. A Chinese company has been building a solar power plant in Qom.
China is pursuing a vigorous program (Belt Road Initiative) and are constructing infrastructure in many poor, developing nations in order to obtain raw materials/resources and build up public good will. They will have likely spread this far and wide. I doubt it is a new variant, coronas don't mutate like influenza (which mutate through reassortment of genetic material from different flu viruses co-infecting the same cell). I'll let you know when I am worried. So far, it is the panic factor that bothers me more than anything.
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FluMom
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That makes sense many Chinese went home for the New Year Celebrations and all went back to work after.
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KiwiMum
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But haven't you noticed that word gets out on Twitter about something, just from someone leaking info or reporting what they're seeing and then a week later that same something is released in an official report? I also saw on Twitter this afternoon that the Iran strain seems to have mutated. Give it time and the data will follow. That heavens we do have social media or we'd all be in the dark with WHO as our only source of info.
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Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesnβt accord with the facts.
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Information wars indeed. Remember what Dr House said: "Everyone lies."
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How do you tell if a politician is lying?
His lips or pen are moving. |
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carbon20
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A corona virus is RNA
mutates very easily....... Can go either way..... Good/bad For us humans |
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carbon20
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Why do you think it can not re-assort?
Maybe it has with MERS..... which was more virulent The vector being Us humans..... |
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carbon20
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My mind is running away with a conspiracy theory.....now
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carbon20
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Low path Hi path
Is no different than Cow pox... Smallpox..... Surely |
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carbon20
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Just the same as getting a Flu shot.....
I have often thought if I produced a bio weapon I would protect my friends the same way...... Sorry lateral thinker going abstract...... |
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carbon20
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Considering the Chinese government said climate change is a "civializational change"
A few years ago............ I keep wondering what that means.....
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carbon20
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Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.π
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carbon20
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12 Monkeys.......
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Technophobe
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Reassortment with MERS is possible; not likely, but possible. They are first cousins after all.
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carbon20
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Combine that with
"Sun Tzu"
"The Art of War" Main tenet "its better to take the state intact"...... |
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carbon20
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How's that for a conspiracy theory.......
Lol Not funny......
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KiwiMum
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Not funny but gripping. Real food for thought.
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Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesnβt accord with the facts.
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FluMom
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Climate change did not do this some nutty people eating bats and other wild crazy animals I have never heard of did this. The Chinese will blame anything other than their people eating animals that never should be eaten by people and some of it is RAW!!!!
So please no Climate Change doing this theory... it does not fit! |
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Rjw
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China went through a revolution when the communist party took control, one of the greatest famines took hold. Millions starved, so the people ate anything. To survive. It became cultural. To this day.
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FluMom
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Yes I read The Good Earth and my husband went to Guangdong China no birds, no insects. Why his Chinese host told him because they ate everything in famine over hundreds of years.
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