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ViQueen24
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The China virus seems inevitable to most of us, unless a vaccine is rolled out soon. We have plenty of cases here in my part of the woods. I know five who have recovered, and the sixth in hospital. With the WHO saying this many people having the virus and not dying, the odds are in my favor to survive the China virus. |
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Well said..... I have been trying...... Take care all 😷😉 |
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Right, time to move on. |
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Is anyone else bored by this? AI is a waste of space on here, he's obviously an argumentative unhappy sort of guy, and the whole Flumom situation is old news, and was completely avoidable. It's her choice not to be on here anymore. Whilst she made a racist comment, all she had to do was to apologise for it but for some reason she wasn't prepared to do so. Personally I miss her because she contributed worthwhile comments to the conversation. Let's try and get back on track and move on. |
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Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts.
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The original discussion is NOT about Flumom, so get back on track please. |
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Meh might you be wrong on that point that FluMom was banned, she was demodded but not banned for her egregious lapse in judgement, according to Techno anyway. So are you wrong or is Techno wrong? Nobody was wrong. It is just like in a workplace. You have a manager in charge of, say 20 people. She's worked at the company for many years, and worked her way up. One day, she comes in and has a bad day, and makes a racist comment. The comment is reported by some employees to other managers, who report it to the CEO. As the company has a zero-tolerance policy, the CEO demotes her to being a regular employee again, basic salary, no perks. With respect for her many years of service, she is not fired from the company. She still works there, but she is no longer a manager. |
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You might want to get back on track of the original subject. It's actually no one's business why Flumom is no longer here. If anyone wants to know, they can go ask her. |
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It wasn’t a one liner, I’ll give you that, but still snarky nonetheless. Thanks for proving my point. Just wasn’t expecting a demonstration though. Much appreciated. |
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AI
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Don't use the "we", some on here actually stick to the information, factual valid information. 1. LOL that is a funny non answer, she was either banned or she wasn't. According to you she wasn't, according to him, she was. Either way I liked FluMom, that gal had grit. 2. It's "cherry picking" when I do it but anyone one else or yourself does it, it's not. Not exactly objective. 3. The word ''seem" in your reply is highly relative and let's not forget your bias, that you engaged in numerous times. "Seems" you said more things about me, then I have about you. Guess you forgot all about that right. No worries. 4. Just wrong. If anything you helped forment the politically charged atmosphere and at the very least engaged in it. You know when Carbon was using Trump comments to troll and you encouraged it and protected him when it came back at him. Ah memory right. 5. Fair enough ASKED AND ANSWERED FOR THE THIRD TIME. INFORMATION. TOO LOUD????? And let's not forget all this because I laughed at Carbon for suggesting this event was some type of SHTF situation. While I have been accused of being insensitive numerous times on here, I would suggest that some are actually overly sensitive, way overly sensitive, so it seems. I'll have to work on my insensitive ways. |
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Stop deflecting. Your behavior has resulted in admin receiving complaints. A quick skim through your posts shows that certain people - Technophobe and WitchMisspelled in particular - seem to be targets of your ego. This is all I’m willing to address, so don’t try to change the focus because it won’t happen. If I showed up on a forum, and in less than a year began to denigrate other members, I wouldn’t expect to be around long. Don’t abuse our tolerance, and try acting like you’re part of the site, and not someone who looks down on every other member. If you can’t debate without insults, we’re going to have a problem that can be easily fixed. Don’t expect an endless supply of second chances. |
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Ok, no cherry picking, but point by point. 1. Flumom was banned from the moderator forum. She left the rest of site of her own free will. She is still listed as 'active' FluMom. Neither Jacksdad nor I are 'wrong', just talking about slightly different things. 2. Cherry picked data is misleading, even when technically correct. The true horror of this is, I believe it to be deliberate on your part. 3. Insults have been slung both ways. You however seem to start it and if you are shown to be at fault, you get more agressive, instead of appologising, which is what polite, responsible adults do. We have all accidentally got stuff wrong occasionally. Saying: 'Sorry!' and putting it right come easily to most of us, as our intentions are honourable in the main. Staying on the attack and turning everything into a pi**ing contest is what immature teenagers in High-School do (because their prefrontal cortex is not yet fully developed). 4.
5. Disease watching and avoidance is part of prepping, not a separate thing. This is a disease monitoring site, mostly crewed and visited by preppers. It carries lots of general prepping information - because it speaks mostly to, of and among preppers, but the general prepping information is also available all over the net. So, disease preparedness is our speciality topic, within the context of prepping. But the whole thing is interconnected. So now I have dealt with all your points, in turn, in the order you raised them, it is time for you to answer my question. You may think you already did. But you did not. 'Information' is not an answer, especially as you seem to think we all have it wrong. So why are you on a site you think has it all wrong, if not to poke fun at the members? Your posted information appears deliberately misleading and microscopically hair-splitting, so it can't be to 'put us straight'. NOW, FOR THE FIFTH TIME OF ASKING, ANSWER THE QUESTION: "Why are you here?" |
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WitchMisspelled
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Then you hear wrong. Even the title of this forum denotes this is a pandemic talk site. This, of course, includes prepping. But this is not solely a prepping site. |
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And as for correcting false or incorrect information yep, guilty as charged, oh well. Is this site about factual information or just whatever gobbilty gook gets posted and claimed as factual information? And the fact that it happens to be women posting incorrect information more so then men, is merely happenstance. Correct information is not sexist, sorry non factor nice try. Oh and if I was wrong on information I posted or stated, rest assured I'd be corrected and have been before. And insults have been slung both ways, guess you missed that part huh. "Cheery picking" right Techno LOL. And yes there is a pattern by the drama squad, just as there is a pattern of members who support Trump being belittled for doing so, but just don't offend the vegans right LOL. Oh the hypocrisy of that is hilarious. And I keep hearing this is a prepping site, but surely not my use for it. I wouldn't use a dentist for a medical physician, although a dentist may be able to perform some of the same procedures as a physician. There are specialized sites, with far more information for prepping and survival.
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KiwiMum
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Bloody well said Jacksdad. |
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Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts.
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Technophobe
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Again, agreed. Flu mum was a real loss. I still miss her. But standards are just that, standards. If I spouted insults or racisim, I would expect to go the same way. I would not expect to be missed as much. |
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FluMom was banned by Albert - the guy who pays the bills around here. it was unfortunate and I'm sorry it happened, but everyone here needs to understand that there are consequences to our actions, and there is a standard we hold people to. She had threatened to leave before, and I (and I'm sure others) had personally reached out to try to smooth things over on a couple of occasions because she was viewed as family around here. She chose to go down the road she did and ultimately burned every bridge, and Albert felt he had any choice but to pull the trigger. Members don't get banned often, but it was felt a line had been crossed at that point. This time around we have a member who doesn't play well with others, clearly believes he's always right and everyone else is wrong, feels it's appropriate to insult and call into question the intelligence of anyone that disagrees, and seems hellbent on bullying certain members (particularly women it seems) into silence because they hold an opposing view. Any push back you're feeling is a direct result of your inability to engage without rancor and insults. There's no crew or pattern, and you're no FluMom - please don't invoke her memory here with that kind of false equivalency. By the way - you do understand how juvenile the posting of that video was, right? We're a prepping site that's been active for fourteen years - you think hunting for food, and butchering animals hasn't been covered already? Save yourself the time and trouble and check the archives before you feel the need to bring us up to speed on anything. |
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Yes, AI. Answer the question. Either you'll confirm or dismiss those who have their opinion on that. No, I won't give mine until you answer the question. |
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AI, why don't you stop spouting nonsense and simply answer the question. Why are you here? |
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Ps. I know I'm annoying you, sorry for that, but a few commas would render your missives easier to read; I even appreciate Oxford ones. This would be the 'airborne' clincher if you wanted a scientifically backed post: https://www.avianflutalk.com/from-viroglogy-fact-of-the-day_topic41285_post287739.html?KW=microns#287739 . |
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There are vegans on our memberlist, AI. Please consider their feelings. - Not I, I've butchered many deer. I'm not coloured either, but racist posts are anathema. I am female, but man-haters would be silenced. The idea is to avoid giving offence, not deliberately court it. So, as you are too buisy trying to insult me, to care about any other people's reactions, I repeat my question. Why are you here? |
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And I would hardly think any real prepper would find a video of how to process an animal to be offensive or inappropriate. Well perhaps maybe city preppers would. Although I personally think perhaps the gutless method of processing and quartering of an animal to be easier. Information of course, although that seems to be slowing down and suffering some degradation. |
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Your own point AI, that you keep stressing - repeatedly, is that opinion does not count, only scientific evidence. You mentioned the 'possibility' of airborne transmission on the 6th February in an article about antivirals 2. The confirmation of this was posted by Albert On 10th February 1 . But you made no effort to bring your speculation to anyone's attention; it was even posted under the title 'Coronavirus Showing Resistance To Antivirals'. Albert on the other hand, made a big issue of it, because it helps people to know this - and that is why we are here. Also, your attempt at an offensive video is both a failure (we are preppers) and inappropriate. All of which brings me back to the same question: "Why are you here? " Because it looks to me as if the only answer is points scoring. As a point of interest, I told everyone it would be airborne back in January3. I still think Albert deserves the credit. He drew attention to it. |
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I think a move to General Prepping Tips might be in order for that last post. Mods? |
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[Moderator warning: graphic content] Maybe a nice video on how to gut a deer or an elk would be constructive. Being a prepper site and all and I doubt very few here actually harvest and kill their own food. Maybe that would be constructive and if SHTF gonna be something needed to know. Deer are easy, elk are tougher as they are way bigger, bears not too hard as are cougars. And yes cougar actually tastes pretty good. A nice cougar ham and lima bean soup is pretty good! Constructive enough? Maybe how to snare animals next huh? Cause all that stored up food is going to run out sooner or later and it's best to supplement your provisions before you do. And passive hunting is always a good bet. |
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I don't think that was you AI Like I said, Loads of posts, nothing constructive. Now answer the question. |
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Take this thread for example. The WHO states they estimate 10% of the world has CoVid. So taking that estimate and the current deaths attributed to CoVid and we come out at .14% about the seasonal flu death rate. Seems that is GOOD NEWS!! A virus is less deadly than thought by a factor of 4. Yet no one seems to want good news. Why is that? That is extremely odd. And the information I posted from studies and articles is not misinformed or misinformation but validated science and some of it has been peer reviewed and some has not as of yet. Take the mask studies I cited which most were done prior to CoVid and clearly were not politicized because that drama didn't exist yet when those studies were done. Yet you dismissed those objective findings out of hand for studies that were politically subjective and relied on the words "may" "might" "could' in their findings. Follow the science right LOL Anyway I digress it's about information and science. Who knew it was primarily billed as preppers site? LOL |
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We remain polite and respectful, even when we dissagree. Because we are all here to help, encourage and protect each other. Why are you here? |
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I seem to recall earlier on in this pandemic someone calling this place an echo chamber and then flouncing off. Seemed a bit overboard at the time, but some months on seems it's strikingly accurate. Does seem to be groupthink and hive minded, not all but most. And look the crew that campaigned to run off Flumom show's up on cue. Interesting pattern there. What are the odds of that happening? LOL Any bets on if it happens again? |
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Well said, KiwiMum. Technophobe is well aware of my opinion on AI's trolling. I'll leave it at that. |
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Well said Jacksdad and Techno. AI is too aggressive and he seems to be looking for the slightest thing to take offense over. Any mention of the US, or Trump in a negative light (and frankly it's hard to find a positive thing to say about the man) and he flies off the handle with insults. He's intimidating and unpleasant. As you rightly pointed out Techno, he has to have the last word but interestingly he'll drop a thread if anyone agrees with him so I think he's only here to troll other people. I don't think anyone would miss him if he left because he doesn't contribute in the spirit of sharing info that could benefit us all, he only shares to knock people down. |
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Just to add my twopennyworth to that, AI . You have posted quite a bit of science, Being science it is never simply inaccurate. But you do post things out of context and as your posts are usually either cherry-picked, or an outlier science study (or both) they are often misleading as well. I strongly suspect, that is deliberate on your part. I don't care what you call me (although I do get offended when you are rude to others and this site has standards in politeness as well.) and I appreciate science based posts. But your (probably deliberate) attempts to mislead with 'spin' worry me greatly. This site is here to inform and guide; which it has successfully done for years. It gives the best information we have, to as many people as we can. We genuinely care about our members. Although we are lucky enough to have some who do, most of our members do not have degrees in science or appropriate qualifications in medicine, epidemiology, mathematical modeling, nursing, virology or the other apposite sciences. So when you post 'spun' information, you are working counter to our goals. We simply want our members to be well informed enough to protect themselves and those around them. Posts such as your outlier study in mask-wearing work counter to this. [The only reason I abandoned that particular argument was your insistance on having the last word and the, almost rabid, promotion of the only science-based argument (albeit from a good source) that argued counter to the majority opinion (which , I might add, also all came from reputable and respected sources,) all of which drew attention away from other news-worthy posts published at the same time.] So I am also watching you. |
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From what I can see, the vast majority of your recent posts involve you quoting someone, followed by a snarky one liner that usually includes an insult. I get that you haven't been here that long, but you need to understand that new members berating moderators and long standing contributors is not acceptable and won't be tolerated. Consider yourself on notice. |
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Fact: 220 thousand dead Americans.....still rising.......stay safe all 😷😉 |
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AI why are you on this site all, you never contribute anything of any use.......ever....... |
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Just found this... . The Independent: Analysis: The NHS is not ready to tackle the debilitating effects of ‘long Covid’. |
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