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Four die of food poisoning
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KUPANG, East Nusa Tenggara: Four people, all members of the same family, have died in Timor Tengah Selatan regency in East Nusa Tenggara due to suspected food poisoning, an official said Wednesday.

The four people, including two children, are believed to have fallen ill after consuming corn boiled together with papaya blooms in their home in Polo village, South Amanuban district.

A relative of the family, Levy Betty, said the mother and father complained of headaches after consuming the food and went to a nearby community health center to seek treatment. But the wife, Anthoneta, could not be saved. "She died on the way to the center while her husband died at the center," Levy said. The two children died shortly afterwards at Soe hospital.

Head of the regency health agency, Markus Ng Righutta, said Wednesday that a medical team had been dispatched to seek the cause of the family's death. The police were also investigating whether any crimes were involved. -- JP

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East Nusa Tenggara (Indonesian: Nusa Tenggara Timur) a province of Indonesia, located in the eastern portion Lesser Sunda Islands, including West Timor. The provincial capital is Kupang, located on West Timor.

The province consists of about 550 islands, but is dominated by the three main islands of Flores, Sumba, and West Timor, the western half of the island of Timor. The eastern part of Timor is the independent country of East Timor. Other islands include Adonara, Alor, Ende, Komodo, Lembata, Menipo, Rincah, Rote Island (the southernmost island in Indonesia), Savu, Semau, and Solor. The province is divided administratively into fourteen regencies (kabupaten) and one municipality (kotamadya), Kupang.

Population

The population of the province was estimated to be 4,073,249 in 2003 (BPS NTT). The religious mix is atypcial of Indonesia, with 91% Christian (majority Catholic, large Protestant population), 8% Muslim, 0.6% Hindu or Buddhist, and 0.4% holding traditional beliefs. East Nusa Tenggara has become a refuge for Indonesian Christians fleeing from conflict in Maluku and Irian Jaya.

The secondary school enrolment rate of 39% is dramatically below the Indonesian average (62%). Clean drinking water, sanitation and lack of health facilities mean that child malnutrition (32%) and child mortality (71 per 1000) are higher than in most of the rest of Indonesia.

Economy

By several economic indicators, the province's enconomy is weaker than the Indonesian average, with high with inflation (15%), unemployment (30%) and interest rates (22-24%).

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This sounds like a pretty severe case of FP.. dont you think? Wonder if WHO have looked into this?
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Originally posted by Jhetta Jhetta wrote:

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Four die of food poisoning

"after consuming the food and went to a nearby community health center to seek treatment. But the wife, Anthoneta, could not be saved. "She died on the way to the center while her husband died at the center," Levy said. The two children died shortly afterwards at Soe hospital."

 
Died after consuming food, on way to center?  Wow, that was fast.  Even botulism has an incubation period.
 
 
 
 
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Flores is the island where the "Hobbitt" humans lived and were believed to be alive well into the period of modern man.

Ironically, when the announcement was made that a new strain of miniature man had been "found" on that island (bones only), I immediately flashed back to the Negritos that I had met on the Island of Luzon in the Philippines.  They were about the size of the reconstructed Hobbitt, and were very much alive and talking individuals.  Small heads and proportions because they were small people.

The scientists doing the digging on Flores had theorized that the Hobbitt was probably not as smart as modern man because his head was smaller and thus has less capacity for intelligence.  Since we supposedly only use about ten percent of our mental capacity, my guess is that the Negritos and the Hobbitt were probably as smart as us.  Probably far more practical, too.  If the Hobbitt died out, it was probably because he was killed off by modern man (a known predator).
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Originally posted by pugmom pugmom wrote:

Originally posted by Jhetta Jhetta wrote:

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"after consuming the food and went to a nearby community health center to seek treatment. But the wife, Anthoneta, could not be saved. "She died on the way to the center while her husband died at the center," Levy said. The two children died shortly afterwards at Soe hospital."

 
Died after consuming food, on way to center?  Wow, that was fast.  Even botulism has an incubation period.
 
 
 
 


Anything is suspect.  The cows that died in the Ukraine did so overnight and many of the reports of deaths associated with Sichuan Sheet in China were said to have occured within hours.  (I strongly suspect that most of these reports are gross exaggerations, but the cows in the Ukriane and in Iowa were overnight.)  If it was not food poisoning, it will fall into the could have been category, but we will probably never know as the poorer facilities on these islands probably preclude proper samples from the deceased.
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Reports from the 1918 flu say that people were fine in the morning and dead by afternoon...they should be checking this as a possible mutation
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>>>corn boiled together with papaya blooms

Maybe some bad reaction created a strong poison.

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Food poisoning doesn't usually kill people, in fact I've never heard of it being lethal except as leading to a secondary condition.  It would have to be that there was some kind of chemical poison mixed with the food. Too hard to swallow this as a case of food poison. Yep pun intended.
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Just did a little searching on papaya. Most references sound as though nearly every part of the tree/plant is useful and either edible, beneficial or medicinal.

A couple of references mentioned a compound found in the leaves and roots that can form cyanide, but apple seeds contain cyanide too.

Sounds fishy
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This is kindof clutching at straws, if you ask me.

Could have been any number of things. A couple of likely scenarios:

Somebody accidently picked a poisonous plant & it got mixed in with the meal. Oleander grows in virtually every tropical country in the world and will kill that quickly and is VERY toxic. So do castor beans. Just as an example.

Poisoning -- intential or accidental. Maybe they put strychnine out for rodents and it got mixed in with the grain somehow.

Coincidence -- they could have eaten something else the day before & by coincidence, got sick a few hours after the meal and blamed the meal. We do this in the western world all the time -- you hear very regularly, "I ate at XYZ fast food place and got sick an hour later and I'll never eat there again!" -- even though the incubation period on most forms of food poisoning is a good bit longer than an hour.

Also, vomiting and diahrea, if they WERE poisoned by their meal -- say, a good dose of toxins from E. Coli -- can kill quite quickly. Particularly in a developing world where it may take hours to get to the hospital, not minutes. Hours of puking will dehydrate and kill you.

I would also assume that this area has endemic issues like, oh, cholera. See above about dying for want of a few dollars worth of anti-emetics and IV fluids.

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Cygnet,
I agree that it could be many other issues, and food could be blamed without testing.
However...ABBF (anything but bird flu) is the response currently without tests. Only further testing can rule out or rule in cause of death, and autopsies are extremely unlikely. No more info, four more dead people in a country with clusters of illness from pandemic potential virus. It could be H5N1. Who will ever know...?
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It says the corn and papaya were boiled.  Wonder if they boiled it long?
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