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    Posted: April 14 2007 at 1:54pm
Everybody needs to be aware that the prices of groceries are starting to rise and will continue. There was a story on our local news the other evening about the cost of corn rising. Apparantly they are using corn as an alternative fuel source, so it is driving the prices higher. It is also driving the prices higher for the farmer to feed his livestock the same corn (competition by fuel) so the prices of milk and other items will be higher due to the corn shortage. Not only is there a corn shortage, but due to the high demand alot of farmers are now going to plant corn this season instead of other grains, thus driving up the prices of other items like flour and things other grains are made of, because then there will be  a shortage of other grains. This is added to the rise in the price of gasoline again. Things are not looking so good! We live in a farming/ranching community, that is what is going on here in OK.
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Thanks Penham for the warning. I think it's time for me to make another run to Costco and foodsave some more meat.
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Now is the time for the garden. A spot the size of a tennis court will feed a family of four for a year. Some things winter over, but you can freeze, can and dehydrate fresh veggies. They taste better and cost a lot less than store bought.
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I don't think it's totally incumbent on the corn for alternative fuels, but it sure is a factor!
 
I saw a different report yesterday (It's now the 18th of April) and it's getting extremely expensive to transport food and whatnot to your store of choice. If Diesel prices start getting close to that magic $4.00 a gallon number we're going to have a *MAJOR* problem on our hands!
 
At that price for diesel it begins to cost the driver to haul produce etc. and to cost farmers to use their equipment to harvest,plant and till their fields of vegetables.
 
It's not even summer yet and the oil markets are looking grim. One good hurricane, terrorist attack, or other disruption of oil and we're not going to need a pandemic to get the fecal matter to impact the spinning air displacement unit...
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there is supposed to be an independent trucking boycott starting April 23,24,25. with trucks being stopped protesting mexican drivers haveing access to the USA without DOT regulations.  The site to get this infor is www.saveamericafund.com.  This at the very least will increase our grocery prices and and the worst case scenerio, completely shut down our delivery service for food, medicine, equipment, etc. There is also speculation that the union will also be involved not just the independent truckers. This sounds like one of those domino effects we have in fact been concerned about. I understand the truckers concernes, but it seems a little drastic to me. We will have to watch and see.
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i am sorry it is not a boycott, it a three day rally where they will not be delivering during that period of timel They will at each of the Washington DC protesting the mexican truckers non regulation entrance to the United States. My bad on stating a boycott vs. rally.
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I support the Truck drivers 1000% ( one thousand % )  if it wernt for the truck driver delivering your fuel,food, candy bars, and clothing , ect.  and all your meds. America would come to a complete halt!       THINK ABOUT IT.     
 
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oh i support them also, just stating that this situation will in fact present the scenario we have discussed of on time delivery. They had very valid points, i do not want mexican truckers here in the USA taking away their jobs,, with no regulations and able to bring into America God knows what. My point was for us to be aware that there are planned no deliveries on these dates by the independent truckers to protest the mexican drivers. I for one will be going on the 23 to pick up some extrea milk, eggs, & bread,just to top off my preps.
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Originally posted by Turboguy Turboguy wrote:

I don't think it's totally incumbent on the corn for alternative fuels, but it sure is a factor!
 
I saw a different report yesterday (It's now the 18th of April) and it's getting extremely expensive to transport food and whatnot to your store of choice. If Diesel prices start getting close to that magic $4.00 a gallon number we're going to have a *MAJOR* problem on our hands!
 
At that price for diesel it begins to cost the driver to haul produce etc. and to cost farmers to use their equipment to harvest,plant and till their fields of vegetables.
 
It's not even summer yet and the oil markets are looking grim. One good hurricane, terrorist attack, or other disruption of oil and we're not going to need a pandemic to get the fecal matter to impact the spinning air displacement unit...
LOL on your dung and fan discription. The price of diesel for the driver and the farmer are tax deductible, but the cost for the new deductible equipment is out of budgetary reach. The cost of seeding and harvesting I believe is not as much a problem as finding the demand that yields a profitable product rather than sacraficed spoils. 
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April 23, 24, 25 supposedly there will be minimal American Trucker deliveries in the USA due to a protest rally. This is a great chance for all of us to observe and deal with possible shortages in our home towns. Lets see how long it takes our local stores to recover from the three days of interrupted services and how soon thereafter the supplies return to normal. I'm guessing at least an additional three days, that would be the 29th before routine operations. JMHO
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The trucker that deliver to my work. complain about there taxes are going up, with more taxes being added, with less deductions. several of the truckers tell me thay have to make $2000 a week just to break even.
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crafter I think that that is one of the many problems that the independent truckers union has w/mexican trucking industry. They do not pay taxes, they are not regulated, and basically are given a free hand to deliver and thus take away jobs from American drivers. Again, I believe in what they are doing, I am just concerned about the domino effect it will have on this nation, but maybe this is exactly what is needed to wake up John Q.Public, when there are no deliveries being made for just 3 days, we will actually be able to see how the on time delivery system really works. We preppers need to watch and observe the ramifications of this.
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This is all great information, but you are not keeping your eyes on the ball. The question is, "What are food prices going to be if a Pandemic Hits"? The price of corn, or fuel isn't going to matter if there is no one to drive the trucks.
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Originally posted by Rockhound Rockhound wrote:

I support the Truck drivers 1000% ( one thousand % )  if it wernt for the truck driver delivering your fuel,food, candy bars, and clothing , ect.  and all your meds. America would come to a complete halt!       THINK ABOUT IT.      
 

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Our economy totally relies on the truckers to transport everything. Some, rather un-intelligent people, wrongly believe that the US could get by with trains alone.

They seem to forget that something's gotta transport the goods from where the trains drop it off to your store shelves. It's not getting there by mule cart, that's for sure.

Annie. I think you know more about this than I do! However I do know that just because something's tax deductable does not mean it costs you any less. You just don't get your money until later in the year. It's like when I was in Iraq: I was "Tax free" but was still paying in taxes on all my income while I was there. I got a very large check for all the money they took from me at the end of tax season, but that didn't make it any easier for me when money got tight before then.

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There are a lot of hungry people in the US... anyone earning under
25,000 should pay very little tax.
 
 
true we need trucks and trains.... but,
 
many places here have the train right at their back door...like an agway
many grocery stores.... even a big potato chip factory.
 
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I believe that anyone making under $30,000 a year should pay zero taxes. On $30,000 a year you can barely make rent/house payment when you factor in all the other bills we're forced to pay just to live. We in the US pay far too much in taxes as it stands. I remember a little Revolutionary war that was fought over a tax burden that was lower than it is now.

Quote many places here have the train right at their back door...like an agway
many grocery stores.... even a big potato chip factory.


Many places do have a trainway going right through their backyards, most places don't though. At my place in Missouri there's no train tracks for at least thirty miles in any direction. In the event of a catastrophe it's going to be real tough to walk down to the store and pick up life's little necessities.
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i know my truck will be sitting if the shtf there is no way i would put my family in danger   alot of drivers will be sitting
if the fuel keeps going up there is going to be a lot of trucks parked anyway
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trucker110, welcome to aft, you will luv it. Quick question, are u participating the the independent trucker rally? There seems to be a newsblackout on this, I have looked everywhere on main stream media, w/no infor so far. Would u also mind expressing your opinion on this situation, I would really like to know your opionion as u are definetly in the trenches and dealing w/high diesel prices, etc. thanks in advance and again good to have u aboard.
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Originally posted by Turboguy Turboguy wrote:

Originally posted by Rockhound Rockhound wrote:

I support the Truck drivers 1000% ( one thousand % )  if it wernt for the truck driver delivering your fuel,food, candy bars, and clothing , ect.  and all your meds. America would come to a complete halt!       THINK ABOUT IT.      
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Our economy totally relies on the truckers to transport everything. Some, rather un-intelligent people, wrongly believe that the US could get by with trains alone.
 
When I was in grad school, I worked as a research assistant for a trade center. All ii saw, day in and day out, were numbers on trade whether it was train, truck, private vehicle, aircraft, or pedestrian based, I saw the numbers. And the city where the Center is located is the largest inland port in the US. You can't drive a block in any direction here without seeing a big truck. UP has two big yards here. There's a set of tracks about 3 blocks south of my house, and i hear that train going through every couple of hours, either headed east to the coast, or coming in from the coast.
 
Anyone that thinks the food just mysteriously appears in their local grocery stores is  living in some kind of fantasy world. Food may get from point A to point B by train, but it takes the big trucks to get it from the train to the store, or from the local farms to the store.
 
The rising price of gas will affect the price of our groceries. I'm shopping more and more at the dollar stores in town. It's about the only thing I can afford these days. Cause I'm one of those folks that make less than $20k a yr.
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There was a truckers rally at OKC yesterday at the state capital, I heard about it on the radio news yesterday. I have not been in a grocery store in a couple of days though to see if there is any drastic difference, will be going tomorrow though.
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independent truckers live week to week  it is going to take the big trucking companies and the independent to work together to get the fuel prices down  right now if the independents just park their trucks the big companies are going to step in and put them out of business.  i did not rally with the other trucks  i didn't see any even moving slow on the road i did hear some talking on the radio and they weren't intrested in the rally
the fuel prices are hurting alot of drivers can you imagine putting 300 gals of fuel in your truck at least 2 times a week
if all of the trucks get together big and small companies it  would shut alot of things down  and i think that is what it is going to take to bring down a lot of prices  if the truck charges more for freight the the stores are going to have to charge more for the product
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Went to Wally World a while ago. I like to go when the crowds are non-existent, cause it gives me more of an opportunity to really look at what I'm buying. So I was there today at 5am.
 
Bought 85 items for $170. Nothing fancy. Tried to stick to GV brand.
 
On the way home, I passed 2 gas stations. Exxon had low-grade unleaded for $3.00. Valero down the road was $2.76 for the same grade.
 
Can someone explain why two gas stations, less than eight blocks apart, in a residential zone, can have such widely differing prices?
 
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Originally posted by Penham Penham wrote:

There was a truckers rally at OKC yesterday at the state capital, I heard about it on the radio news yesterday. I have not been in a grocery store in a couple of days though to see if there is any drastic difference, will be going tomorrow though.
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This may be what is really behind the US Truckers protests the past few days.

Congressional Record > Mar 7, 2007
OPPOSITION TO EXPANDED MEXICAN TRUCKING IN THE U.S.
The United States House of Representative

Mar 7, 2007

Section 46

Rep. Jones [R-NC]: Mr. Speaker, in just a matter of weeks, thousands of Mexican trucks will stream across America's southern border and pour onto U.S. highways throughout the country. ...

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Chair: Under a previous order of the House, the gentleman from North Carolina (Mr. Jones) is recognized for 5 minutes.

Rep. Walter Jones [R-NC]: Mr. Speaker, in just a matter of weeks, thousands of Mexican trucks will stream across America's southern border and pour onto U.S. highways throughout the country.

The U.S. Department of Transportation has given 100 Mexican trucking companies the green light to unleash an unlimited number of trucks onto the highways of America as part of a 1-year pilot program.

Right now, Mexican trucks are only permitted to travel inside a 25-mile commercial zone along the U.S. border, but, soon, thousands of Mexican trucks will have full access to all the Nation's roads.

Allowing low-paid drivers and substandard trucks to travel our Nation's roads will endanger the safety of American citizens. It will cost thousands of American jobs.

As an extension of NAFTA, this program is just another example of U.S. trade policies that fail American workers. Before NAFTA, our Nation ran a trade surplus with Mexico. Now, the U.S. runs a $65 billion annual trade deficit with Mexico. The U.S. has lost 3 million manufacturing jobs in just the past 6 years.

Launching this pilot program in the name of free trade is just one more example of how our government continues to give away American jobs. This program will not only hurt the economy but will put our national security at risk.

The Department of Transportation claims that all of these Mexican trucks will be inspected by U.S. officials in Mexico and at the border, but, Mr. Speaker, less than 10 percent of all Mexican trucks entering the commercial zone are inspected now, only 10 percent. The U.S. cannot afford to send inspectors to Mexico when only a fraction of the hundreds of thousands of U.S. truck companies are inspected each year.

With no guaranteed way to inspect the cargo of each and every truck, this program could easily aid terrorist activities, the entry of illegal drugs and illegal human smuggling.

Mr. Speaker, for the sake of appeasing Mexico, our government is not protecting the national security of this country and the future of our economy. This program does nothing but endanger the safety of American citizens, and it is unacceptable.

I hope the American people will continue to contact this administration to tell them of their outrage and disappointment.

Mr. Speaker, before I close, this is from a heading in an eastern North Carolina paper that says, "Bush Decision on Mexican Trucks Promotes Era." People are upset and mad. I want to read just very briefly, "The news that Mexican trucks will be allowed to haul freight deep into the United States drew angry reaction Friday from labor leaders, safety advocates and Members of Congress." They said, "Mexico has substandard trucks and low-paid drivers that will threaten national security, cost thousands of jobs and endanger motorists on the northern side of the Mexican border."

Mr. Speaker, I hope that the people of this great Nation will listen to these discussions and debates by my colleagues on both sides of the aisle, because if we are concerned about national security, we should not allow these trucks to have free access to the roads of the American people.
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Annie, there were a couple of things that were low in stock, there was hardly any regular bread, hot dog ,  burger buns, sandwich rolls every type of bread product was almost gone. Hardly any Gatorade, Powerade type drinks, low on sour cream (there was like 5 containers left) low on all cheeses. This was at a statewide chain grocery store.

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I have noticed Walmart's prices are rising like crazy! I am now paying $1.23 for a loaf of hot bread, used to be 1.00, their pasta GV brand rotini used to be .50 for 16oz, yesterday it was .68, their Borden cheese was 1.50 for 8oz, now 1.76, the Sams soda used to be .50 for a 2-liter, I think it went up to .68, their regular bread used to be .68 for the cheapie small loaf now it's 1.08.  The thing is the prices are not just rising a few pennies, they are substantially higher than they were 4-5 months ago. These are the only things I can think of  right off hand, I know there is more.
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 Hi Penham, I have also noticed a rise in Walmart prices.  I have noticed for a while now, that they are always out of a lot of items.  So when I shop now I try t buy several of what I need.  I am trying not to dig into my preps to much.  I bought some sample bread in the can last week.  I haven't tried it yet.  For some reason I can't bring myself to open the can.  I guess I just have to get use to bread in the can.  It's just sitting there on my counter and I look at it everyday.  Oh well.
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  I don't want to be misleading I didn't get the can bread from Walmart.  I bought it from some place on the internet.
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One of the biggest Hoaxes is corn as feul.  The cost to turn it into fuel is so prohibitive that it is not going to happen . In Brazil they went with cane sugar because it works finacially.  It cant be duplicated here.  
Bush likes to come out as going green and supporting corn as fuel but its just political gobblygook.  Anything to get a little media attention.  
 
 
There are several articles on the subject from reliable  sourses.
 
Not that I would tell you that food costs wont be expensive this year .
we got dead fish with  a bad virus
dead bees
bad crops due to storms (somewhere soon)
expensive fuel cost
 
 
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Originally posted by Penham Penham wrote:

<FONT style=": #222222">Annie, there were a couple of things that were low in stock, there was hardly any regular bread, hot dog ,  burger buns, sandwich rolls every type of bread product was almost gone. Hardly any Gatorade, Powerade type drinks, low on sour cream (there was like 5 containers left) low on all cheeses. This was at a statewide chain grocery store.

Scary having so many items missing and critically low from only three days of trucker protests. Imagine what the supermarket shelves will look like after a week or after a day when the pandemic flu arrives.

I believe its important to have a minimum of six months of supplies based on the arrival of even a serious flu, abstentism rate which will affect the loading/unloading of trucks, the stocking of shelves and even the clerks operating the amount of bays open for your payment.

I was in the 70's gas price wars and sat in my car in lines for hours in Los Angeles County; I don't want to go around anyone ill or disgruntled durning a pandemic. So prepare, prepare, prepare.
    
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Shortly after the pandemic hits, I honestly don't think there will be anything at the grocery store to buy. I think people will panic to start with, and buy everything up ( you should see how the store empties out when we are scheduled for a little snow/ice storm, or when we lived on the coast how eveything is gone if a hurricane is coming).  Then I think people will start getting sick and then it will be a matter of nobody being able to deliver/stock and fill the grocery stores. Plus, when people are asked to stay at home and not work, will they have any money to buy groceries with anyway? It is going to affect the people that live pay check to pay check, the working poor, then it will affect the lower class. People that have money and  savings will be the ones out there buying it all up to begin with.
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milk went up this week .20
a 2 liter pepsi went from 1.49 to 1.89 this week
all of the stores that i shop at have went up this week
people were in the grocery store complaining about the price of groceries
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What state are you in trucker110? I buy groceries by the month. Guess we're in for a shocker next visit to the store. We use non-fat milk and freeze it along with butter, bread, cheese, chips, you name it.

The impending pandemic has scared me. I agree with Penham whole heartedly that only people that have money and savings will be able to buy, the rest will starve, steal, maybe kill to survive.

We have been careful to pay off all our credit cards and the note on our land. We're living in the shop, (3 years now), saving to build our home without a loan (just turned over the sketches to the builder this week). We do not want any debt when this flu hits or any other disaster or incident in our lives. We are so happy and free. No debt releases so much stress. Our home is not a show place, (that will come), but it's clean, warm, and dry. IT'S HOME.
    
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  Annie good for you and your family.  I hope that you are able to complete your new home before any major disater happens.   Good Luck
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Ugh... Gas prices here in Minnesota are $3.00 a gallon. At my place in Missouri it's sitting around $2.80 a gallon.

Just so everyone knows these are the levels the prices were at in the aftermath of Katrina. Everyone freaked out then. It's getting mega expensive and we're not even into summer, or better yet hurricane season yet.

My department has already said that if gas prices get too high we're not going to do patrol anymore, only call reaction. I guess there won't be many speeding tickets written though...

Too much more and we're going to have a complete economic colapse as people will not be able to go to the store and buy the crap that keeps our economy rolling.
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Originally posted by Turboguy Turboguy wrote:

Ugh... Gas prices here in Minnesota are $3.00 a gallon. At my place in Missouri it's sitting around $2.80 a gallon.

Just so everyone knows these are the levels the prices were at in the aftermath of Katrina. Everyone freaked out then. It's getting mega expensive and we're not even into summer, or better yet hurricane season yet.

My department has already said that if gas prices get too high we're not going to do patrol anymore, only call reaction. I guess there won't be many speeding tickets written though...

Too much more and we're going to have a complete economic colapse as people will not be able to go to the store and buy the crap that keeps our economy rolling.
 
I have to agree Turboguy. We are already not eating out as much because our "extra" money is going for gas to get to and from work, both DH and I work 20 miles away (total 80 miles a day) for both of us to work. We haven't been buying any extras like clothing and that type thing, I am just watching the economy at this point. The only extras we are buying is DD plays softball and pitches, so lessons and equipment and that is it! We go to games for entertainment and that is it.
 
We only have 3 police officers in our small town, but the last time gas went up so high, the town where we work, the police had to just sit out in the community in their cars until something happened, so the police presence was there, but they weren't using gas and they were not allowed to run their AC in the cars, ok, it gets 100+ here in the summer and that is just unrealistic, they at least need to be cool, the job is hard enough as it is.
 
Annie, some friends of ours did exactly what you are doing, built a big work shop, then  lived in that until they built their house. It worked out well for them, their shop was way bigger than their house too, just no walls, except around the bathroom.
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yea, i know what u mean TurboGuy, here in the deep south we are at 2.80 a gal for gas, this is the price we usually have post-hurricane, what will it be like this summer. We are putting any traveling plans on hold for this summer, alot of different reasons, price of gas, possible vunerablity of crowded areas and exposure to numerous things. We are just going to go swimming in the river, try to stay cool, prep, and keep up w/our garden. Our children who live far away (Tenn & mid-Alabama) LOL, are going to make one trip each home to visit. I feel a great urge to step up my prepping and replinish my pantry, I prep  what we eat when it is on sale and every grocery day (twice a month) buy at least 1 more 24 pkg toilet paper. I keep a log book of prices to compare to buy what is truly on sale, and have found almost all of my regular purchses have gone up at least 5 cents over the past 3 months. I do not see the prices going any lower actually, and in fact see only prices going higher and higher. Now is the time to load up your freezer, pantry, and preps. Start your veg. garden now, when hamburger, chicken, etc, is on sale spend double the amount you would normally spend, to stock up. It is the only way that has worked for me, i tried the going out a purchasing alot of stuff at one time, say from Wally-world or sams, and felt like i could not even make a dent in my prep list.
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I was working for a department in mid Missouri that had 35 officers on four shifts. It got well over 100 degrees just about all of last summer.

I now work for a county level department with 400 officers. I can't imagine reaction time if we're forced to sit in our cars and not patrol.

And Penham, you're not the only one saying exactly what you said about not going out or making pleasure purchases. I fear that the economy is only chugging along because of economic momentum. When that momentum is gone we might have a problem.
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I was thinking too that the grocery prices will increase with the increase of gas prices. Summer isn't even here yet and gas is over $3! This is nuts. Our property taxes and house insurance went up too! Where does it end.
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Our grocery prices here in OK have just risen so quickly over the past few weeks. I am really only shopping for loss leaders, fruit and veggies on sale and meat at this point and dipping into my preps a little too much for other things, but stocking up on loss leaders at this time. I guess my stategies for prepping are changing a bit right now. Everything is going up in price, not just groceries and gas, stamps and mailing packages, our property taxes also went up, eeek, my life insurance went up too (but I think that is just cause I'm gettin old, LOL). But, no kidding, it is a trickle down effect, everything is going up.
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It is getting scary. Too much more and we're not going to need any avian flu to destroy this thing we call society. I'm having quite a lot of trouble trying to figure out how the stock market and economy keeps plugging along with the vast majority of people getting royally boned at the pump. People aren't going out as much as they used to and aren't buying the useless crap that is needed to keep the economy moving.

We've been having loads of drive offs (Where people fuel up and drive away without paying) theft of food, and stealing fuel from cars through siphoning lately. I wonder how much longer until we're responding to aggrivated violence over fuel.
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  The grocery prices at our Walmart had gone up.  I like this certain brand of cookies.  They use to be $1.50 per pack now they are $2.00  I have also noticed an increase in other item to.  All those that live in hurricane areas don't forget to get your extra hurricane supplies early.  I believe hurrican season starts June1st. 
  
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   Turboguy, I had the same question...with the prices of gas, groceries, taxes, insurance and everything else going up how is the stock market doing soooo good? I see the Dow Jones numbers going up at the fastest pace EVER...What's going on?
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