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http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v442/n7099/full/442114a.html
Nature 442, 114-115(13 July 2006) | doi:10.1038/442114a; Published online 12 July 2006

Family tragedy spotlights flu mutations

Declan Butler

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Human-to-human transmission raises demand for DNA data.

A strain of avian flu that spread through a family in Indonesia, killing seven of the eight people infected, was accumulating mutations as it spread from person to person, according to confidential sequence data seen by Nature. The functional significance of the mutations isn't clear — most of them seem unimportant. But influenza researchers say the finding reiterates the need for sequence data to be made more widely available, if the virus is to be better understood.

The cluster of cases of the deadly H5N1 strain, which occurred earlier this year, is the first in which the World Health Organization (WHO) has admitted that human-to-human transmission was the most likely cause of spread (see Nature 441, 554–555; 2006). Eight members of an extended family in Kubu Sembelang, in north Sumatra, were affected. The first patient, a 37-year-old woman who became ill on 24 April and died on 4 May, is thought to have caught the disease from poultry, then transmitted it to six relatives. One of these, her 10-year-old nephew, who died on 13 May, is thought to have passed the disease to his 32-year-old father (see 'Flu cluster in Indonesia').

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Virus isolates from six of the eight family members have been sequenced, but the WHO has not released the data, saying that they belong to Indonesia. Instead, the agency released a statement on 23 May stating that there was "no evidence of genetic reassortment with human or pig influenza viruses and no evidence of significant mutations".

Nature has now obtained more detail on the genetic changes, which suggest that although the WHO statement was not incorrect, plenty more could have been said. Viruses from five of the cases had between one and four mutations each compared with the sequence shared by most of the strains. In the case of the father who is thought to have caught the virus from his son — a second-generation spread — there were twenty-one mutations across seven of the eight flu genes. This suggests that the virus was evolving rapidly as it spread from person to person.

One of the mutations confers resistance to the antiviral drug amantadine, a fact not mentioned in the WHO statement. The data were presented by Malik Pereis, a virologist at the University of Hong Kong, at a closed meeting of around a dozen international experts in animal and human health, held in Jakarta, Indonesia, in late June.

The virus did not evolve into a pandemic strain — the combination of mutations was not even enough to allow it to spread beyond close family. Many of the genetic changes did not result in the use of different amino acids by the virus. And there were no amino-acid changes in key receptor binding sites known to affect pathogenicity and transmissibility.

But experts say they cannot conclude that the changes aren't significant. "It is interesting that we saw all these mutations in viruses that had gone human-to-human," says one scientist who was present at the Jakarta meeting but did not wish to be named because he was commenting on confidential data. "But I don't think anyone knows enough about the H5N1 genome to say how significant that is."

Elodie Ghedin, a genome scientist at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine in Pennsylvania, says she's surprised that the virus from the father had so many mutations compared with others in the cluster, apparently arising in just a few days. "I have a hard time believing that the father acquired the virus from his son," she says, adding that the nine mutations in one gene in the father's virus are almost identical to those in viruses isolated from human cases in Thailand and Vietnam in 2004.

Flu researchers don't all look at data from the same angle.

One possibility is that the father simply caught a different strain of virus from birds, although other mutations in his virus are similar to those in the strain isolated from his son. Or perhaps the virus from the son reassorted with another flu strain circulating in his father at the time, Ghedin says.

Part of the reason the picture is so unclear, say virologists contacted by Nature, is that the continued withholding of genetic data is hampering study of the virus. None of the sequence data from the Indonesian cluster has been deposited in public databases — access is restricted to a small network of researchers linked to the WHO and the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, Georgia.

Ghedin, for example, works on how mutations in one area of a genome can predispose other areas to further changes. She is part of a project started in 2004 to sequence thousands of human and bird-flu strains, but she has little access to H5N1 virus from humans. "Flu researchers don't all look at the data from the same angle," she says. "The more diverse analyses that are performed, the better we will understand the evolution of this virus."

"If all of the H5N1 isolates were available, there'd be quite a few people focused on understanding these data," agrees David Lipman, director of the US National Center for Biotechnology Information in Bethesda, Maryland.

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Johannes Ginting is the only survivor of a worrying cluster of bird-flu cases in Indonesia.

But Paul Gully, who joined the WHO two months ago as senior adviser to Margaret Chan, head of the agency's pandemic-flu efforts, defends the agency's position. He points out that the WHO's priority is investigating outbreaks, not academic research. And he adds that although calls for more complete genome data and wider sharing of samples are "a valid point", labs are stretched during outbreaks, and don't have the time or resources to do high-quality sequencing.

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He agrees that sharing samples with other researchers would allow such work to be done. But he says the WHO must work within the constraints set by its member states — they own the data, and decide whether to share it. "As more countries share data, hopefully that research will get done," he says.

The WHO has not formally asked Indonesia to share the sequences, Gully adds. "We would rather wait and see what Indonesia decides."

 
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If you read all of Dr. Niman's letters and commentaries over the last 3 weeks, you will find that he is convinced that the father had a co-infection of H5N1 and that it was a different strain from the one he got from his son.
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WHO Still Hoarding H5N1 Sequence Data

Recombinomics Commentary

July 12, 2006

One possibility is that the father simply caught a different strain of virus from birds, although other mutations in his virus are similar to those in the strain isolated from his son.

None of the sequence data from the Indonesian cluster has been deposited in public databases - access is restricted to a small network of researchers linked to the WHO and the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, Georgia.

But Paul Gully, who joined the WHO two months ago as senior adviser to Margaret Chan, head of the agency's pandemic-flu efforts, defends the agency's position. He points out that the WHO's priority is investigating outbreaks, not academic research. And he adds that although calls for more complete genome data and wider sharing of samples are "a valid point", labs are stretched during outbreaks, and don't have the time or resources to do high-quality sequencing.

He agrees that sharing samples with other researchers would allow such work to be done. But he says the WHO must work within the constraints set by its member states - they own the data, and decide whether to share it. "As more countries share data, hopefully that research will get done," he says.

The WHO has not formally asked Indonesia to share the sequences, Gully adds. "We would rather wait and see what Indonesia decides."

The above comments from tomorrow's Nature highlight the dangers of H5N1 spread in large familial clusters, and clearly demonstrates WHO's unwillingness to release the sequence data they are hoarding at the Los Alamos flu database.

The large number of polymorphisms in the father of the nephew supports a dual infection in the father,  He acquired one of the rare polymorphisms from his son via
recombination.  The polymorphisms were not evenly distributed, indicating there was also reassortment.  Dual infections lead to rapid genetic change.  Moreover, testing of patients in Indonesia remains poor.

Most of the human sequences in Indonesia
do not match any published avian sequence, although a large number of bird sequences from Indonesia have been made public in databases or have been presented at scientific meetings.  H5N1 bird flu is rapidly evolving in Indonesia, but the evolution may not be in avian hosts.

The testing remains poor because a connection with dead or dying birds is required for H5N1 testing, yet the only match for the human H5N1 has been H5N1 from a cat (see
phylogenetic tree)..

Indonesia has already indicated the data can be released, but WHO refuse to make such a request, so the data hoarding continues.

These sequences should be released
immediately.

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If you'll remember the father with the 21 mutations is the one that ran away from the hospital, he then went through four villages before he was found and then died on the way back to the hospital. His strain can be matched up to his son's strain, so we know he caught it from his son, but Dr. Niman may well be right, it's possible that while he ran through those four villages he picked up another strain.
To me this would lend even more credibility to the theory that this particular family had a predisposition to H5N1 infection if he caught it (a second infection) in one of the villages and no one else from the area got sick. Of course this would also mean that there is some unknown host in the area harboring H5 since they say there are no sick birds there. If anyone is doing any testing there I havn't heard so we may never know why he had so many mutations.
 
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"Dual infections lead to rapid genetic change.  Moreover, testing of patients in Indonesia remains poor."
 
The Dual infection that Dr. Niman is talking about does not necessarily have to be two H5N1 strains.
 
It could be another avian influenza strain or a human strain such as H3N2 or H1N1.
 
Remember the Nurses caring for some of the patients in the cluster had the flu... so we know that H1N1 was circulating in the area at the time... H3N2 is also circulating in Indonesia and it is very common through out the world.
 
The nurses with the flu should never have been allowed to treat H5N1 patients.
 
WHO confirms Indonesian H5N1 case; nurses test negative
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/avianflu/news/jun0606indo2.html
"For the four Indonesian nurses, test results after 4 days of monitoring "have now convincingly ruled out H5N1 infection," a separate WHO report said today. Two of the nurses had cared for 10- and 18-year-old siblings in Bandung, West Java, who died May 23, and two had cared for patients in the North Sumatra cluster that involved at least seven members of one extended family in May.

Tests showed that one of the West Java nurses was infected with a seasonal influenza A(H1N1) virus. The other nurse had only transient, mild symptoms but was tested as a precaution.

In North Sumatra, a 34-year-old female nurse likewise had only mild, transient symptoms. The other nurse there, a 42-year-old woman, had experienced flu-like sickness June 1. "

 
 
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Jhetta,
You're right again! You're always rightSmile. I wonder if the WHO is comparing the nurses strains with the father's strain? If so it might just clear a lot up real quick.
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Yes, I thought that too--just another regular flu infection, until I read these posts by Dr. Niman on another thread: (The thread is a competitive blog site, so unable to paste the link.)
 
niman – at 08:08


The distribition of the changes in the Karo cluster were far from random. Even though each round of replication requires the copying of over 12,000 letters into the eight gene segments, this was done quite faithfully in the H5N1 isolated from the first series of transmissions.

These first cases all were infected between May 2–4 and all died about a week a after infection. The fatalities included the index case’s two sons, a sister, her daughter, and the 10 year old son of another brother ($#2). The sequence of the H5N1 of the surviving brother #1 was not presented and brother #2 was not initially infected.

Thus, initially there were 5 sequences (then initial post that started this thread mistakenly said six different individuals) and all were vitually identical. The sister and nephew sequences were the same. The two sons had one difference and the niece had another. Thus, the five sequences from the five relatives were 0/12,000, 0/12,000, 1/12,000. 1/12,000, 1/12,000 for the five individuals. A secoind H5N1 isolate was obtained from the nephew and it had an additinal change at position 29 of HA.

After the nephew died, his father developed symptoms and died. H5N1 from the father (brother #2 of the index case) had the same change as his son at position 29 of HA. However, that H5N1 also had 8 more changes in HA, three changes in NA, and 2 changes in M. The other 5 genes were exactly the same as his son and the consensus for the family.

Thus, while all 6 versions of H5N1 from the initial group of 5 people differed by at most 1 letter, and the brother #2 had 14 changes, 14 random mutations suddenly appearing in brother #2 is a HIGHLY unlikely explanation.

These 14 changes however, are EASILY explained by a second H5N1 infection in brother #2.
And:
niman – at 08:44


Back to the DATA. The second line of evidence against random mutation is the distribution among the family members. Even though the H5N1 has the same mutation and all eight individuals were blood relatives and died from the H5N1, one has 14 changes and all others had zero or one change.

The simplest explanation for the sudden appearance of 14 (or 13 new) changes is a second H5N1 infection. The evidence for dual infections in flu is pretty overwhelming. One piece of evidence the number of flu serotypes. There are 16 H’s and 9 N’s so there are 144 theoretical combinations. A look at the list of flu serotpes at GenBank shows that most combinations have been found and the combinations are formed by reassortment in dual infections, which creates new combinations, but not new H’s or N’s.
And:
Here is more on the analysis. The 14 changes probably represent both recombination and reassortment. The only hard evidence for recombination is in HA. The father had the C29T polymorphism found in the second H5N1 collection from his son. The other 8 changes could have come from the second H5N1. That distribution would only require a single crossover somewhere between position 29 and 150, the location of the next novel polymorphism. The remainder of HA probably matched the second H5N1. Similarly, all of NA and M could have come from the second parent. PB2, PB1, PA, NP, and NS matched the son.

Thus, the data can be easily explained by a dual infection by the son's H5N1 and a separate H5N1. The new info in the H5N1 from the father would come from the parent via recombination in HA and reassortment of NA and M.

therefore, only one new gene needed to be created. HA was the only gene with a marker fro the son and 8 new markers. The other changes could have been acquired via acquisition of the entire gene.

Thus, the gene pool may not have dramatically changed, but the genes in the cluster changed via a second infection.

Infection of the father by two separate sources would be a major worry, indicating H5N1 was widespread and other family members may have been infected with a milder version. There was a ninth family member hospitalized, but released after testing negative and thee were media reports of others hospitalized and under observation, but those reports were not confirmed.

Since a reporter noticed the symptoms in the father and the family did not trust the WHO investigators, it is not all that clear on who was infected and who was not. The dual infection in the father may have been a signal of infections in more family members or neighbors.
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Thanks Pugmom
 
This is hard to read... Here is my take.  Also note that at this time he did not know about the additional changes.  I believe 21 instead of 14... that could make a major difference in how he interprets the data.
 
Niman: Back to the DATA. The second line of evidence against random mutation is the distribution among the family members. Even though the H5N1 has the same mutation and all eight individuals were blood relatives and died from the H5N1, one has 14 changes and all others had zero or one change.

The simplest explanation for the sudden appearance of 14 (or 13 new) changes is a second H5N1 infection.
 
Jhetta: Why does he go on to talk about other subtypes ??? "which creates new combinations, but not new H’s or N’sz" ~ The evidence for dual infections in flu is pretty overwhelming. One piece of evidence the number of flu serotypes. There are 16 H’s and 9 N’s so there are 144 theoretical combinations. A look at the list of flu serotpes at GenBank shows that most combinations have been found and the combinations are formed by reassortment in dual infections, which creates new combinations, but not new H’s or N’s.
 
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Here is more on the analysis. The 14 changes probably represent both recombination and reassortment.
 
The only hard evidence for recombination is in HA.
 
The father had the C29T polymorphism found in the second H5N1 collection from his son.  Jhetta I read in another thread that they collected H5N1 two times from the boy... in the second specimen the one change mentioned at the top of this post was detected.
 
The other 8 changes could have come from the second H5N1. That distribution would only require a single crossover somewhere between position 29 and 150, the location of the next novel polymorphism. The remainder of HA probably matched the second H5N1. Similarly, all of NA and M could have come from the second parent. PB2, PB1, PA, NP, and NS matched the son.

Thus, the data can be easily explained by a dual infection by the son's H5N1 and a separate H5N1.
 
The new info in the H5N1 from the father would come from the parent via recombination in HA and reassortment of NA and M.

therefore, only one new gene needed to be created.
 
HA was the only gene with a marker fro the son and 8 new markers. The other changes could have been acquired via acquisition of the entire gene.

Thus, the gene pool may not have dramatically changed, but the genes in the cluster changed via a second infection.

Infection of the father by two separate sources would be a major worry, indicating H5N1 was widespread and other family members may have been infected with a milder version.
 
There was a ninth family member hospitalized, but released after testing negative and thee were media reports of others hospitalized and under observation, but those reports were not confirmed.

Since a reporter noticed the symptoms in the father and the family did not trust the WHO investigators, it is not all that clear on who was infected and who was not.
 
The dual infection in the father may have been a signal of infections in more family members or neighbors
 
 
 
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Jhetta,
 
If there is a recombination with H5 with another flu strain like H1 would this change the H and or the N? Is this what he's talking about here?
 
A look at the list of flu serotpes at GenBank shows that most combinations have been found and the combinations are formed by reassortment in dual infections, which creates new combinations, but not new H’s or N’s.
Is he saying that the dual infection was from another H5N1 strain?
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Originally posted by rodin33 rodin33 wrote:

Jhetta,
 
If there is a recombination with H5 with another flu strain like H1 would this change the H and or the N? Is this what he's talking about here?
 
A look at the list of flu serotpes at GenBank shows that most combinations have been found and the combinations are formed by reassortment in dual infections, which creates new combinations, but not new H’s or N’s.
Is he saying that the dual infection was from another H5N1 strain?
 
I am really not sure... he could have meant either... basically he makes references to both ... I could not find the thread... I will try and see if he has made any further posts regarding the 21 changes.
 
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Yes, I know it is hard to read, esp since I had to edit it, as the original thread was very long.  I wanted to give you the gist of the thing, and of course, not quote him out of context the best I could.  He was writing for other scientists.  But Niman is hard to read for us ordinary mortals anyway.  His thread went into even deeper, complex, genetic analysis, and at great length.  But, yes, I think what he is saying is that the second infection was another H5N1 infection.  To me, this is very clear.  What may not be clear is his explanantion of why he thinks this way.  I think to other molecular geneticists, he probably makes perfect sense.   He did not post this 2nd H5N1 analysis in his usual commentaries, the ones for the general public, but on a pretty high-brow scientific thread.  Well, if his analysis is correct, the implications are pretty monumental.  I will keep reading, to the best of my ability, the scientific threads and see if the latest disclosures from Nature magazine shed any more light on Niman's theory.
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Can you give me a clue to wear this thread is?
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Andrew Jeremijenko’s comments on the Butler article/Effect Measure post:

A pandemic is looming and those responsible for witholding important data that may help prevent it, will not be judged kindly by history.

The paper by Declan Butler points out that this virus is mutating. The father with the most mutations was lost from the hospital. He returned to his community where he was exposed to other viruses and exposed the mutated ? reassorted virus to many others in his community. He was only found just before he died. This is not acceptable containment. We were lucky it was not a pandemic mutation. We can all clearly see now, how lucky we were.

I lived and worked in Indonesia for 8 years and I know people are scared to talk because they fear that they will not be able to continue their valuable work if they do, but there must come a time when it should be acknowledged that things are not working and change is required.

Investigations in Indonesia have been suboptimal. With more then 50 confirmed human H5N1 cases, the investigators have yet been able to match the human H5N1 virus to an avian H5N1 case around the same time from the same area, despite their assertions that the cases are coming from sick birds.

Control measures against avian H5N1 have been ineffective in Indonesia as evidenced by ongoing human cases and clusters. No autopsies on human H5N1 cases have been performed. Research by internationally funded competent investigators is obstructed. Diagnosis of human cases is delayed and the highest mortality rate from H5N1 is found in Indonesia.

Data such as the cat isolate which has been the closest match to human H5N1 cases in Java was only officially released by WHO, 4 months after being informed about it. This fact should not be ignored. International authorities should not collude with Indonesian authorities and hide data. (Hiding data is not acceptable. Indonesia hid the evidence of bird flu from August 2003 to late January 2004 and were rightly chastised.)

Soon Indonesia will have the most human deaths in the world from H5N1. Things are not going well and need to be changed. I can understand delaying data release in some circumstances. But I am concerned if data is not released to hide the incompetence and ignorance and protect people who are not doing an adequate job.

I am no longer in Indonesia but I still fear for their people and everyone else in the world. I would hope that action is taken to improve the situation in Indonesia.

Secrecy combined with incompetence is a dangerous situation for all of us.

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When it was first released that the father of the son had 14 mutations, I was following Dr Niman on a couple of different sites. At that time my feeling was that the father had two different H5N1 infections. One from his son and the other picked up during his run through the villages. More and more I'm coming to believe that the source infections in humans is coming from cats. I know scientists want hard concrete evidence, but since I'm NOT a scientist, it seems to me that cats spreading H5N1 infections to humans makes a lot of sense, especially in light of the statements that the human sequences match more closely to the cat sequence than to the wild bird sequence.  However, I've only heard of one cat sequence, so maybe if more cat sequences were obtained this question of where did the human cases catch it could be cleared up.
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