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Posted: October 25 2006 at 7:10am |
Just a little advice.....since this has just happened to me.
I started using some preps and have noticed that the sugar and salt I have stored is hard as a rock. I believe that moisture has gotten the best of it. These were stored in 10 gal. buckets with moisture proof lids in cool dry area.
I also opened a few cans of beef broth that smelled horrible..into the trash it went. I purchased most canned goods a case at a time. I have to return the remaning broth.
If you have bought items in a case...I would suggest opening one can and see if it's OK before needing it to survive.....Bad time to notice something is spoiled!
If anyone else has had a problem with the items you have please let everyone know......could save us alot of $ in the long run.
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Ok its my turn I opened up some dry beans that I had put in a canning jar they were moldy I opened another jar and the next batch was fine.
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Grandma
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I purchased several lbs. of lentils (organic), about three months ago. They were supposed to last for a while, but six months at the least. They were stored in a glass jar combined with many bay leaves to keep bugs away. I made lentil soup two weeks ago. I boiled the lentils for what seems a long, long time and they were still hard. The taste was not that good either. I love lentil soup and I eat it often, so it is not like I do not know how to cook lentils. Maybe I got a bad batch (probably old lentils), but you are so right; I much rather find out now than later. I tossed the lentils and just replaced them. I will run the test again before storing this batch.
Thanks for bringin this up.
Grandma
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Linda-ann
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Crackers horrible. I needed some and realized that they were stale ten boxes. yuk and one of my cake mixes was full of bugs. I now storing more rice flour sugar and can foods. No crackers or dried food products.. it ok for the sugar to be rock hard that normal. I may now invest in better storage containers from the dollar store .and try freezing my rice before storing it.
It really comes down to why rice is the gobal food is its stability . More rice more canned food. Better storage. I have now been prepping for a year so my food is not that old. it. I will now keep receipts better, |
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Had the same problem with crackers and cereal. Even after just a few weeks they seem to go stale. These are items I will just do without.
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slcmom
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I keep the stuff I will use in 1-2 years (wheat, rice, oatmeal, sugar, pasta) in 5-6 gal., air-tight buckets with oxy absorbers. A few things I have in #10 cans with oxy absorbers (milk, beans, apple slices, dried bananas).
My parents have been storing food for 30 years using this method and have only ever lost milk to spoilage. They do rotate through their food regularly. However, some of their wheat they've had for 30 years and it's still good.
You can make crackers and cereal with wheat BTW.
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I store cereals, crackers,pancake mix, flour, etc. in the freezer. Sugars and pastas i store in an extra refrigerator we have. I've had no problems yet(knock wood) with moisture or staleness. Beans are stored in canning jars after freezing in the bags.
God bless. Jo
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Beans in Canning jars is a good idea...Are you just putting the beans in the jar or are you taking the air out. |
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There must be a way to store crackers, I can't live without crackers! Please share ideas. I also stored cereal and I'm throwing it out now after a year. Any ideas on storing cereal and keeping it from going bad?
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slcmom
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You could try either mylar bags or food grade buckets with oxy absorbers. Either cereal or crackers should keep for a year or two that way, then if you rotated and replaced you'd always have a year's worth on hand and lose little to spoilage.
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I dump the beans out of the bags into jars after I take them from the freezer. I use a new cap and tighten it well. I've done this for over 40 years with no problems.
God bless. Jo
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Thanks jo...Im not sure why your freeze beans but I can take direction. I'll freeze the beans.
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Just to be sure any protein is dead. LOL
God bless. Jo
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RaptureReady - So sorry to hear of your discovery. You can still save your sugar, though. Just put a fresh piece or two in the container and it will draw the moisture out and be usable again. Just don't forget to take the bread out after a day or so. Hope this helps!! Good luck!! Pamie
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RaptureReady -- I'm a big help What I meant to say was to put a couple of pieces of fresh bread in with your sugar. Try it!
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Therese - Gramma3 just said she froze crackers - I freeze bread so I don't see how that wouldn't work!! It's a great idea which I'm sure gonna try. As far as cereal, have you tried using the food storage canisters? It won't store indefinitely but will extend the shelf life. Just be sure you try to buy expiration dates which are the farthest out. I've noticed most things have two expiration dates--this even includes breads, milks etc. Just fish a little for the later dates. Good luck! Pam
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Sicmom - where do you get food grade buckets and oxy absorbers (what actually are they?) New to all of this, obviously! Thanks, Pam
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slcmom
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I get 5 and 6 gallon buckets from emergency essentials (www.beprepared.com). I get #10 cans, mylar bags and oxy absorbers (these absorb the oxygen in an airtight container to keep food fresh longer) from the LDS church canneries because I can get them at cost there. I think Waltonfeed also sells them and also has some nice "how to" info on their website.
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This has been such a worry of mine -- thanks SO MUCH for the info, Sicmom. I'll check them out today Take care, Pam
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Therese, I'm a cracker nut too, I've found that animal crackers (the type you give kids) are good to store, and you can buy those in huge containers like at Sams.
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Even though your salt is hard as a rock, it is still good, and should
last for ever. Just beat it with a hammer to break it up into
chunks and then put it in baggies and beat it some more. I'm not
so sure about the sugar, but I think that the same treatment should
work.
Dried beans will get rock hard after a few years, I have lots of old pinto beans in buckets, if I ever have to eat them, I'll run them through my hand grinder and use them for refried type beans. I freeze all flour (and pancake mix) elbo macaroni and Minute rice in the freezer for a week or so before putting in storage, so far I haven't had a bug problem. Joy to the world! |
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sam in az
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Thankful4u - I get 4 gallon food grade buckets with lids from the bakery department of my supermarket. Frosting and donut glaze come in them. Have also gotten 5 gallon buckets which formerly stored pickles or garlic spread from the deli section and from my local pub. They are free - I just need to clean them out.
Also, my horse and pet supplements come in food grade buckets and plastic jars. I know they are food grade because I contacted the manufacturer of the supplements and they sent me copies of the correspondence with the plastic container supplier verifying they are food grade.
If you have any restaurant contacts you might be able to get 55 gallon drums (for water). Vinegar and shoyu (soy sauce) come in blue 55 gallon drums. sam
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Thanks for the advice, Sam
I wonder if I should ask the supermarket manager or just go directly to the bakery counter. What to say? Preparing for a pandemic? I've just GOT TO BE MAKING QUITE A NAME FOR MYSELF IN THIS TOWN, LOL!!! Will have to get up the courage to approach a local restaurant, too. No contacts, per se but they sure do know us well at the local chinese food restaurant -- We're addicts, that way |
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sam in az
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I ask directly at the bakery department. They throw the pails away so don't mind giving them away and sometimes will save them for you. I say I use them to store horse and dog food. Easier than getting in a big discussion. Plus if you hint it is for storing people food, visions of lawsuits start dancing in their heads
As for the 55 gallon barrels, I say it is for recycling rain water for the yard. Lots of times no one asks or cares why you want them. I did pay a few bucks for the 55 gallon drums but at least I know it contained food. The ones at the feed store are usually cheap too but I don't know where they came from or if something else was stored in them to jeopardize the food-grade rating. sam
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EXCELLENT POINT, Sam! Hadn't thought of how they might consider legal pitfalls. I'll go with the feed or general supply approach. The rainwater idea is AWESOME!!
I hate to fib but, like you, would like to avoid lengthy (or short "don't wanna talk to yeah anymore, nutcase looks) unless it's with someone who is truly open to listening or cares. Just sort of worn out that way right now. Hopefully, I'll get up the nerve this weekend and let yeah know how I did!! Thanks and Smiles, Pam |
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Thankful4u, if you belong to a Sam's Club, go to the bakery and ask about buckets. Their icing comes in nice buckets in a couple different sizes. Rarely do they clean them for you here but that varies by location adn how busy they are. They clean up easy with soap & warm water.
When I asked them to same me about 20 of them, I just said it was for ease of stacking & transport for some storage I was doing. They really don't care what you plan to do with them - you are saving them a trip to the dumpster. But I know I would be curious if someone asked me for a large quantity of anything. One lady got a bunch to do a Girl Scout project: making cushions for the lids - traveling storage AND a seat to rest. How cool? I'm not gonna tell them I'm saving one for emergency potty purposes but you can put some plastic bags, TP, baby wipes, hand sanitizer, small bottle of bleach and a box of tissues in it and still have room left for a word search or crossword puzzle book & pencils.
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Pegasus - We don't have a Sams but do have a Costco membership. Not only would they probably have more buckets at a time, but the odds of bumping into people I know and getting back into discussions which lead nowhere are greatly reduced. I like it! Thanks! I bought a port a potty for emergency use, but now that I think of it, it would be pretty awkward and difficult to walk around with if need be. Just goes to show, I'm not thinking things through!! This is a great solution!! I'll be sure to do this as well. I think I'll also include perineal spray which is a great hygenic cleansing spray as no rinse is required. I've had so many wipes dry out on me, I've pretty much gone this route - shelf life SO MUCH LONGER. Are you packing one for each member of the family or opting for one bucket for communal use...? Ugh, again... I so love this forum. Very scary to think where we'd be without it. Many thanks, Pegasus.
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My ending tears there should be smiles!! Thanks again
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Pegasus
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Thankful4u, great idea on the perineal cleansing spray. Porta potty may not be practical to carry around places but if you had to set up a longer term bathroom facility, the seating would be more comfortable - though you can remove your home toilet seat to use on the bucket. At this point I only have the communal bucket. Probably should have a minimum of one on each floor of the house. If we had to bug out, I would probably only take one. Too many other things to fit in the vehicle or on our backs for the family (maybe a sled or wagon for the dog to pull her weight?)
I've received so many great ideas from the members on this site. Things that would have been overlooked if I had to try to figure it all out on my own. People have generously shared their expertise and saved us all from having to reinvent our own wheels. God bless you all.
Pegasus
by the way, t4u, no problem on the tears. I just took them as tears of joy.
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slcmom - Are you saying that your family has been using o2 collectors, and that in airtight packaging, the o2 works as an effective de-moisturizer - giving you fresher baked goods, such as crackers, cookies etc???
Do they work as well in in non-airtight packs??? - Lets say boxes of crackers in a sealed garbage bag???
Please advise when you get a moment.
Thanks.
Lazaras
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My oil for lamps froze in the garage. Does anyone know if it will burn ok ??? |
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It shouldn't affect it at all, but go ahead and try it to be sure.
I don't understand how you think it "froze"... oil doesn't really freeze. It could thicken, or separate ingredients, but not "freeze" like water. |
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