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    Posted: March 11 2007 at 7:15pm
Penelope and other members have suggested making a 90 days prep list thread.  So any ideas on making a prep list for a family of 4?
 
What's the minimum amount of water it would take to last 90 days?  Any storing or purifying tips? 
 
What types of food, storing tips,  etc...  Exact quantities to last 90 days? 
 
What types of medications?
 
Emergency extras, such as generators, firearms, solar cookers, etc..   ?
 
We can clean the thread up later, but would anyone care to make any suggestions on making a 90 day prep list?
 
 
 
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From Pandemic Flu.Gov
 
 
 
They suggest a 2 week supply but you can increase supplies or adjust according to your families needs:

You can prepare for an influenza pandemic now. You should know both the magnitude of what can happen during a pandemic outbreak and what actions you can take to help lessen the impact of an influenza pandemic on you and your family. This checklist will help you gather the information and resources you may need in case of a flu pandemic.

  1. To plan for a pandemic:
    • Store a two week supply of water and food. During a pandemic, if you cannot get to a store, or if stores are out of supplies, it will be important for you to have extra supplies on hand. This can be useful in other types of emergencies, such as power outages and disasters.
    • Periodically check your regular prescription drugs to ensure a continuous supply in your home.
    • Have any nonprescription drugs and other health supplies on hand, including pain relievers, stomach remedies, cough and cold medicines, fluids with electrolytes, and vitamins.
    • Talk with family members and loved ones about how they would be cared for if they got sick, or what will be needed to care for them in your home.
    • Volunteer with local groups to prepare and assist with emergency response.
    • Get involved in your community as it works to prepare for an influenza pandemic.

  2. To limit the spread of germs and prevent infection:
    • Teach your children to wash hands frequently with soap and water, and model the correct behavior.
    • Teach your children to cover coughs and sneezes with tissues, and be sure to model that behavior.
    • Teach your children to stay away from others as much as possible if they are sick. Stay home from work and school if sick.

  3. Items to have on hand for an extended stay at home:

     

    Examples of food and non-perishables

    Examples of medical, health, and emergency supplies

    • Ready-to-eat canned meats, fish, fruits, vegetables, beans, and soups
    • Prescribed medical supplies such as glucose and blood-pressure monitoring equipment
    • Protein or fruit bars
    • Soap and water, or alcohol-based (60-95%) hand wash
    • Dry cereal or granola
    • Medicines for fever, such as acetaminophen or ibuprofen
    • Peanut butter or nuts
    • Thermometer
    • Dried fruit
    • Anti-diarrheal medication
    • Crackers
    • Vitamins
    • Canned juices
    • Fluids with electrolytes
    • Bottled water
    • Cleansing agent/soap
    • Canned or jarred baby food and formula
    • Flashlight
    • Pet food
    • Batteries
    • Other non-perishable items
    • Portable radio
     
    • Manual can opener
     
    • Garbage bags
     
    • Tissues, toilet paper, disposable diapers
 
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Other things worth considering in your preparations:
 
N-95 masks
 
Bleach
 
Latex Gloves
 
Hand sanitizer
 
Trash Bags
 
MRE's or Easy to Prepare meals with long shelf life
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Better store atleast six months of food,and water. It may be a long one.
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4 Cases of canned vegetables - Mixed variety - 96 cans
4 Cases of canned fruits - Mixed variety - 96 cans
4 Cases of canned spaghetti or noodle based soups - 96 cans
20 Cans of tuna or other canned fish or meat
5 lbs. Powdered milk
25 lbs. Rice
5 Boxes of various cereals
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I have just started adding more cans of broth and diced tomatoes to my preps. Rice or beans may be added to these without needing as much water.
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On the subject of water I believe the minimum is 1 gal a day per person. That should include the cooking part, but not the non potable use. (toilets)

Food: I'm a believer in buy what you eat, eat what you buy. So inventory what and how much your family eats. Then buy acordingly. You might think about being a little heavy on some dry stocks, such as beans (your choise) rice, patoto flakes, etc.. Simply because they store so well and long.

I do stock some things that I don't use all the time. Such as the DAK 1 lb hams. These are a good protein source, long shelf life, and are great in a pot of red beans.

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If money is an issue think in terms of buying items that have many uses such as salt and baking soda can be used in cleaning and for tooth paste. Dish liquid for clothes and even shampoo. Vinegar has countless uses. Plastic sheeting-lots of uses including using as a mattress cover on sick bed. Buy lots of Clorox and keep a plastic pail to hold Clorox water and rags (start a rag box) to keep everything wiped down with including door knobs and phone. Stock up on disinfectant spray- store brand will work. Milk of Magnesia makes the best safest deodorant, too and a bottle would last a very long time.
Any one remember "use it up, wear it out, make it do."?
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I like that Babygirl.   We need to start them out with some immediate bulk items.  25 lbs of rice and 25 lbs of beans should get them started.   
 
Hi wolfgang, good info on the water.  A family of 4 would need 360 gal of water to last 90 days?   Although the water service would not be out that long, how much water should we recommend for a minimum of 90 days?  We need an exact number of gallons for the 90 day list after considering all factors, outages, etc... 
 
 
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remember your pets... extra food, litter, meds, and keep them safe at home.
 
Have the kids make their own... fun box... office box with lid.  books, art supplies, batteries, small toys, treats, anything comforting, new small blankie, sm, stuffed toy....then put them away.
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Ok.... lets face it when BF hits our water and electric will not be turned off. But due to illness and absenteeism, if something breaks it will take longer to get it fixed.

So I would get 1 55 gal drum per person. If they want to store a full 90 days worth it will take 7 55 gal drums.

Then get a few extra to catch run off from the roof. The water off the roof can be used for non potable water, and filtered and boiled for human use if it you have to.

As far as beans and rice go. 1 1/2 lb of beans with 2 cup of rice will feed a family of 4 easily. To make the math easier round the beans off to 2 lbs. We would add haft of a DAK ham in the pot.

Might I suggest that they read my emer. prep plan? It covers a lot of this territory.       
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Originally posted by wolfgang2000 wolfgang2000 wrote:

Ok.... lets face it when BF hits our water and electric will not be turned off. But due to illness and absenteeism, if something breaks it will take longer to get it fixed... 
I assume that you mean this literally as in no one is going to intentionally open a switch or close a valve to turn off the power and water. However, there is no practical difference between that and those utilities shutting down due to fuel not being delivered, water treatment chemicals not being delivered, auto-shutdown sequences being triggered, and other normal occurrances that require human intervention. While utilities are highly automated, there is still a lot of hands-on work required to keep them running. Even though there would be a very heavy emphasis by those who believe they are in charge on keeping utilities up and running, the probability of that actually happening is pretty slim. The longer the situation continues, the lower the chance of there being electricity or safe drinking water.
 
One of my first assumptions when prepping is that there will be no power here (our water comes from our well, so when the power is out - so is the water). To that end, we have a solar electric system and generator. We also have a hand-pump well. If your situation doesn't allow something like that, then work toward alternate sources or do a whole lot of storage preps.
 
Just my opinion, of course.
 
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    http://www.thefoodguys.com/foodcalc.html

TheFoodGuys.com - Food Storage Calculator


The following calculator will help you figure the minimum food storage amounts needed for your family. These amounts are based on the recommendations listed in the LDS Church's Home Production and Storage manual. These figures are recommendations, and are basic year supply minimums only. You will need to choose the best options and foods you should store for your family.

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Colonel, I think were are saying the same thing.

My point is this. When BF hits the USA all the light and water will not go out immediately. You will have a little time. How much who knows. Our public services will start being affected when absenteeism starts keeping those employees home.

Yes we should store or be able to store water, and have a plan to get more when that runs out. I grew up in hurricane country. After every major power outage or storm, we went under a boil order. The water still came out the pipes, it just wasn't potable. If you boiled it it was fine. All I'm saying is figure all contingencies into the equation.

Like you I get my water from a well. I also have a generator. (A hand pump is not a option. My well is to deep.) I can't afford solar. But I have several ponds. So a filter is on my list to get soon.

    
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I've been in the forum for about a year now, and, though I've looked all over, I haven't seen this mentioned, so I'll take this opportunity. One of the first things I purchased was a butane burner for cooking. It's a single burner, about 10 inches square and is fueled by cans of butane. It can be used indoors very safely and is very compact, light and easy to use. I believe they can be purchased where camping equipment is sold, or you could just google "butane cooker". I purchased the extra butane cans at GFS (gordon food service). They might sell the cookers also. We ended up with one because my husband makes these righteous crab cakes, but the house smells something awful when he fries them indoors, so I send him outside with the butane burner. Just a suggestion for a safe, clean and quick way to cook without electricity.
I do everything my Rice Crispies tell me to....
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I too have a little collapsible camp stove that uses the fuel cell cans. I did a trial run with this and found it very handy, and heated up a big pot of water in good time. The fuel cell cans are two for a dollar around here at dollar stores.
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I've posted this several times in the past. Albert this is a great topic to remind the old timers and to help get the newbies started.  Annie
 

Feeding a Family of Four with:

Fifty pounds of Pinto Beans,

Fifty pounds of Rice,

How long will this last?

 

Beans:

(2/lbs=32/oz=907/g)=(¼ cup dry = 26 servings)

(2/lbs x 25/lbs=50/lbs)=(26 servings x 25/lbs)=650 servings

3 servings a day x 4 people = 12 servings a day.

650 bean servings divided by 12 servings a day = 54.17 days

54.17 days divided by 31 days in a month = 2.58 months

Fifty pounds of beans feeds a family of four 2-½ months

     IF YOU HAVE WATER:

To RINSE well (water tossed or used to wash/flush/irrigate potted plants/pets),

To SOAK in 2 quarts of water (water tossed or used to wash/flush/irrigate herbs/pets,etc),

To COOK in 2 quarts of water

THAT’S A GALLON OF WATER FOR ONE POUND OF BEANS

2/gals H20 x 50 pounds of beans = 100 Gallons of water (Almost two 55 gallon barrels)

 

Rice:

(2/lbs=32/oz=907/g)=(1/4 dry=1cup cooked=19 servings

(2/lbs x 25/lbs=50/lbs)=(19 servings x 25/lbs)=475 servings

3 servings a day x 4 people = 12 servings a day

475 servings divided by 12 servings a day = 39.58 days

39.58 days divided by 31 days in a month = 1.28 months

Fifty pounds of rice feeds a family of four 1-¼ months

     IF YOU HAVE WATER:

          To COOK ¼ cup rice in 1/2 cup of water (rather than 2/3 cups) THAT’S 19 servings using 9.5 cups of water= 1-¼ gallons/water

(Only one 55 gallon barrel).
 

(Beth posted: Beans are about 3.5 calories per gram dry, though it varies according to the type.

Rice is a bit less than 4 calories per gram (dry).

A woman needs 2000 calories per day approx.  500g rice x 4 calories= 2000 calories.

A man needs about 2500cals, or 625 grams. Obviously it depends on build/activity levels etc

I only need 1600-1800 calories as I am a small woman and do sedentary work.  Just adjust it for your family.)

 
Maysday posted:

A 1 lb bag of beans holds about 2 1/2 cups. A quart jar holds 2 of these meals and a gallon jug of dry beans holds about eight meals. Pintos, red beans, and Lima's to name a few need to be soaked over night to save on cooking time. I know now that a 25-pound bag of rice will fill up 16-quart jars. A 25-pound of rice takes 18-quart jars.

 
Water: Remember water weighs 8.3 pounds per gallon. Don't for get your water heater has 30 gallons or depending on your size tank. Even the back of your toilet has useable water (if you don't use colored/sanitizers.)
 
Remember, tap water may become contaminated if purification plants loose power, Use tap water to fill up a thoroughly cleaned bathtub, Use two ounces of bleach, this will provide enough water for two weeks.
 
There is quite a bit of water trapped in the piping of the average home. If the municipal water system was not contaminated before you shut the water off to your house, this water is still fit for consumption without treatment. To collect this water, open the lowest faucet in the system, and allow air into the system from a second faucet.
 
posted: Please don't save water in milk jugs as they will harbor bacteria from the milk residue (caisin).  Use old 2 liter soda bottles instead.  Using the soda bottles and tap water -after 6 months use 6 to 10 drops of unsented clorox per gallon of water.  Stir for a couple of seconds, and let sit uncovered for 12-24 hours to let clorox work and then evaporate.  The water will then be safe to drink but will taste flat so add oxygen back into it by whipping it with a fork or pouring it between 2 pitchers a few times. 
 
Bruss01 posted: "Dry chlorine, also called calcium hypochlorite has the added benefit of extended shelf life. Providing it is kept dry, cool and in an airtight container, it may be stored up to 10 years with minimal degradation. If you want to keep chlorine in larger quantities, this is the item to store (according to Bingo1). It must be ONLY 65% calcium hypochlorite, no addtional anti-fungals or clarifiers. In an EXTREMELY well ventilated area, (Hint: OUTSIDE!) add and dissolve one heaping teaspoon of high-test granular calcium hypochlorite (approximately 1/4 ounce) for each two gallons of water. Five pounds of dry pool bleach costs about $10-15, which will make about 92 gallons of bleach, which will sterilize 706,560 gallons of clear water, or 353,280 gallons of cloudy water. "
 
Hope this helps someone expand their preps and understand the  importance in planning food and supplies for months. Like grnfin said six months is propably better. I have planned a bit longer. Annie
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I have one of those "butane burners too".  I paid £10 for it and the 220g cannisters are £1 (so i bought a dozen).  Specs say it will burn for 90 mins on full or 4 hours on simmer.  It boiled a litre of water in under 3 mins.  I bought locally but ebay is full of them.
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I have also posted this several times, but felt it was important to help Albert have a complete answer to his post. Annie
 
I  believe the pandemic is very likely. The world health experts are not doing enough to warn the general public about the bird flu that could mutate into a form that could easily spread among humans, touching off a global pandemic.

 

The U.S. is not doing enough to prepare. The U.S.A. may be preparing for a flu pandemic scenario by stockpiling vaccines, but they are not mandating the public have enough personal food and water supplies at home. Even a minimal supply of one month of food and water for each family member should be set aside for an emergency. Albert has requested help for ninty days.

 

Whatever the threat or emergency like a fire, flood, earthquake, or severe illness each household should be prepared to help their own families. We all need to be able to SIP (Shelter-In-Place, Sit-In-Place, Stay-In-Place) to help break the infection-contamination of others and to help protect our own families without going out in a crowd.

 

Here are a few ideas of what you can do for your family in preparing for any emergency.

 

THE LOW BUDGET, LITTLE SPACE, EMERGENCY PLAN

If you're the breadwinner of a family and are involved in an accident or serious illness or disaster, you may not have an income for a month or longer. A one-month supply of food and savings at home can help you care for yourself and family in an emergency situation. Multiply by three for your three months stock pile.

During an emergency disaster situation, we may be living for an extended period of time, (two-three weeks or more), without electricity. Normal communications may be disrupted and difficulties obtaining our wages may occur. Medicare, Medical, Welfare operations may fail. If health and human services are not operational we may have civil unrest. Businesses could have disruptions from electrical outages or absenteeism.

The most important thing you can do for yourself and your family is to read the Word of God, pray for preparation guidance and increase your knowledge about any emergency disaster potential's in your area. Then, prepare accordingly. Life will probably be quite a bit different after a catastrophic occurrence with heat, power, and service losses.

Having an adequate support network and your own home emergency supplies will increase your ability to cope during a crisis. Find others who have emergency storages and share ideas. Consider emergencies and the ways you can extend yourself to others who may be less prepared if the uncertainties become a reality, (handicapped, elderly, ill). Planning and problem solving without panic are necessary skills we can begin to cultivate to improve coping.  Mary Ann

Why not BE PREPARED for emergencies that you have time TO GET PREPARED.

 

Pretend your ill with the flu, sporadic power; sporadic water and you can't go to the store for anything! Your home pandemic plan might include the following:


Suggested ONE ADULT, ONE-MONTH emergency supply list, more people/days, multiplies accordingly.
 
_____WATER
, store a plastic two-liter soda bottle a day per person. Fill plastic two-liter soda bottles with tap water and add four to six drops of household chlorine bleach. Store upright behind a couch or against a wall. Quart: use four drops; Five gallons: use half a teaspoon, Ten gallons: use two scant teaspoons, Fifty-five gallons: use two ounces. Remember, tap water may become contaminated if purification plants loose power, Use tap water to fill up a thoroughly cleaned bathtub, use two ounces of bleach, this will provide enough water for two weeks. Don’t forget that 30-gallon water heater has water also.
_____BLEACH, unscented with 5.25 sodium hypoclorite, 1 gallon Clorox bottle, at 8-16 drops per gallon of water, will disinfect over 7000 gallons of clear water (half that much cloudy water), store with laundry supplies,

_____RADIO, AM/FM store in pillow case + _____Batteries, 3 spare batteries can store in freezer bag
_____FLASHLIGHT 1 store in pillow case + _____Batteries, 1 spare battery set store in freezer bag
_____OIL LAMP, cheaper to buy kerosene by the gallon at many gasoline stations, odor, display in home
_____CANDLE, religious candles last 100-120 hours, buy clear glass for better lighting
_____MATCHES, 1 (250) box (I prefer Strike Anywhere Matches), keep in separate zip lock bags, store in pillow case
_____FUEL, keep your vehicle tank at least half full of fuel, fill your barbeque propane tank, keep spare fuel cans full, out of sun and ventilated. Do NOT store in your vehicle or inside your living quarters.
_____PRESCRIPTION MEDICINES, talk to your physician or pharmacist about storing extra prescription medications. Keep out of children’s reach.
_____CASH, [No electricity, No ATM], have enough cash, at home, to support your family for thirty days in used $20.00 or smaller bills. Rolls of quarters may come in handy, cell phones may be down, and pay phones may still work. Don't count on your paycheck, social security, child support, welfare, etc. You may need medical care and they may want cash. [Checks may or may not be accepted, nor credit or debit cards in a power outage]. Even with enough money, items just may not be available to buy. Prepare now. Store in an old pillowcase.
_____BILLS Pay your mortgage and bills immediately or advance; avoid late charges due to postal interruptions, etc. You will still be held liable for late penalties. Keep hardcopies of receipts. Don't count on your Automatic Payments-Deposits. Verify monies before spending.
_____CLOCK, manual wind up, 1, in pillow case
_____CAN OPENER, manual wind up, 1, in pillow case
_____SANITATION, 31+ grocery store plastic bags to line the toilet if the power is out for long, the plumbing may fail, store sacks in an old tube sock and dispense from the hole, store in pillow case
_____LARGE TRASH BAG, 1 box, store next to pillow case
_____TOILET PAPER, 9 rolls, store behind toilet, under tank in plastic bag.
_____FOOD, the following is a list for ONE ADULT for ONE MONTH, more people/days, multiplies accordingly. Store inside your living quarters. Store behind a TV, in a box under the ironing board, in small boxes under the bed, be creative...I’ve read you need about 1858 calories per day.
_____Powdered Milk, 9 boxes of 8 quarts, shelf life: 2-5 years, each when reconstituted, use four 8 oz glasses a day
_____Wheat Germ or shredded wheat or whole wheat, 6 lbs, shelf life: 5 years, use 3 oz a day
_____Peanut Butter, 1, 1 lb 2 oz jar, shelf life: 2 years, use one tablespoon a day
_____Tomato Juice, 8, 30oz cans, shelf life: 3-5 years, drink 8 oz a day
_____Vitamin C, 31 tablets
_____Iodized Salt, 1 container
_____Corn, 31 cans, 15.25 oz cans, one a day
_____SLEEPING BAG or several blankets, no power, no electric heat.
_____FIRST AID KIT Adjust for you and your families needs. Keep in your medicine cabinet, away from kids.
_____First Aid Book, try a used bookstore
_____Poison Control Center emergency number __________________
_____Activated charcoal (use if advised by the Poison Control Center)
_____Syrup of Ipecac, (Use to induce vomiting if advised by Poison Control Center)
_____Baking Soda, I've heard it used for upset stomach, cleaning bathtubs, brushing teeth and?
_____Band-Aids, assorted sizes
_____Antibiotic: Triple Ointment or?
_____Anti-diarrhea medication
_____Antihistamine
_____Antiseptic: Hydrogen Peroxide or Beta dine or?
_____Aspirin or Non-Aspirin Pain Reliever
_____Caladryl Anti-Itch Lotion
_____Cleansing agent/soap bar
_____Latex gloves
_____Laxative
_____Lip balm
_____Scissors
_____Safety pins, assorted sizes
_____Sunscreen
_____Tape: ___ Hypo allergenic adhesive or ___cloth or ___ paper ___
_____Thermometer, oral [old fashioned mercury style, no batteries]
_____Tweezers
_____Tube of petroleum jelly or other lubricant
_____Women's Menstrual Pads, and Good for bleeding injuries too.
_____Masks, N-95, surgical, a handkerchief will help!
_____HARD COPIES OF IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS put in Ziploc bag:
_____a list of bank account numbers, credit card numbers, and their contact numbers. A recent statement is helpful.
_____a copy of your electric bill-you will need proof of residence in evacuations to return home
_____a cope of insurance papers, car vin numbers, license plate number
_____a copy of your marriage license, a copy of birth certificates with recent photos
_____ List of medications and allergies.

Store items in pillowcases, small suitcases, anything that allows you to easily fill, store, and carry.

These preparations will help in an emergency. This list is not complete but will get you started. Annie

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I've been in the forum for about a year now, and, though I've looked all over, I haven't seen this mentioned, so I'll take this opportunity. One of the first things I purchased was a butane burner for cooking. It's a single burner, about 10 inches square and is fueled by cans of butane. It can be used indoors very safely and is very compact, light and easy to use. I believe they can be purchased where camping equipment is sold, or you could just google "butane cooker". I purchased the extra butane cans at GFS (gordon food service). They might sell the cookers also. We ended up with one because my husband makes these righteous crab cakes, but the house smells something awful when he fries them indoors, so I send him outside with the butane burner. Just a suggestion for a safe, clean and quick way to cook without electricity.


Legacy, good topic. Those little cookers are handy, especially if you plan on BO.

Personally I went with a counter top model. There are several 1, 2, or 3 burner models at Harbor Freight, or Sportsman's Guide. They use a 20 lb propane bottle.

A couple years ago I gave my son a counter top model. It had 2 burners, a center griddle, and a small oven. It came from Harbor Freight.
    
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    I have a 2 burner coleman camp stove. It uses the 16oz cylinders. I have about 50 of those cylinders and 2 20 pound bulk cylinders. You will need an adaptor hose to
work it off the bulk tanks.

Go ahead and get a pressure cooker now. It will save on fuel. I have a 4 quart one. I can cook a chicken in 40 minutes. I love beans, all kinds. If you soak your beans overnight they will take less fuel to cook.

You might want to consider getting 2 pressure cookers. Have a backup. I have the 4 quart one and a 8 quart one.
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    I also have an oven that goes on the camp stove. It is nice. It is kind of small. It works great.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 13 2007 at 5:10pm
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thank you for food storage calculator
it is realy helping to know
how much and of what to prep to  have a balanced diet

I calculated that we have some 9-12 month prep
but salt we have for 3 years!
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    Krogers has water that comes in 2.5 gallon containers. They are kinda square. You could line them up under a bed. They would stack good, too.
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I am still not liking to hear...
 
 
we may close schools for 12 weeks
 
have enough food for 2 weeks.
 
I hope people do the math.
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I hear you Ann. But 2 weeks beats the 3 days that FEMA tell you about.

    
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Just over a year ago I bought a book by a British Author on bird flu. The same advice was given - to stock up on food and medicine for threee days for a family.
Even then it made no sense to me as when one of my children just had an ordinary virus they could be really ill for nearly a week.
I also remember having flu in 1957 as a child and that I was in bed for about ten days and really weak after that.
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I agree with the pressure cooker.  Pinto beans in about 15 minutes.  That saves a lot of fuel.  For cooking, look into the regular Coleman two burner stove.  They are now multi fuel, which means you can safely use unleaded gasoline in them.  You can do that in th eold ones, too, but the fuel will burn out the carb.  The new generation stoves have a better carb that can handle gasoline.  I also have two LPG stoves.  As tigger said, if you go to wally world you can get an adapter hose that lets you run these stoves on your BBQ tanks, travel trailer or motorhome tanks, or upright tanks.  LPG goes a long way for cooking. 
 
And lastly, instant oats.  I don't see enough people prepping with oats.  They cook fast, are filling, and good for ya.  Winco sells a huge bag for around 15 bucks.  By huge, I'm guessing around 30 or 40 pounds.  I don't think I've seen them at SAMS or Cosco,,,,not sure.
 
And really really lastly, you can also buy bulk Instant Masa Harina.  Just add water, roll out your tortillas, and give then about 20 seconds on each side over a hot griddle.  I don't know too mant folk who don't like Mexican style food, and you can put anything on a tortilla.  At Winco a 20-25 pound sack is 10 bucks.  Caveat - - -A shorter shelf life than many preps, so keep small bags until your last run to the store, then get the big sacks.  MMMMMMMMM, I think I'm having fajitas tonite.
 
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my last CERT class teacher sayed , 6 weeks of supplys
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    This about water storage. I posted it earlier. That thread rolled back, so I dont know if anyone saw it. If you have an extra room that you store preps in put up a water bed. It would probably hold 150-200 gallons of water.
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Tigger usually water bed have to be treated with a chemical to take the air out. Would it be safe to drink after that?    
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    I dont know.
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I need to get a water purifier   a good one that doesn't cost 500-600 dollars .
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The MIOX is a great purifier. It's only 129.95. i got mine at planforflu.com
I do everything my Rice Crispies tell me to....
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Here is someone who built his own water filter useing 2 5 gal. buckets and Berkey filters. This off the W/R site.

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From looking around this site, I've picked up that water is even more important than food, as more than a few days without something wet will kill ya dead. I looked at storing water and for the LONG term you can never store enough.

I looked into water purifying filters and units. Me thinks the "Black Berkey" filter is the best. "Google" it and see what you think yourself. I'm too cheap to buy a whole filtering unit for a couple of hundred $$$, I just bought a couple of filters ($80.00) and built my own "unit".

2 - five gallon FOOD GRADE (#2 in a triangle is stamped on the bottom of the) buckets with lids. Drill a couple holes in them and you are up and running. . . I also "popped" for a spigot, so the pictures you will see are the "de luxe" model. Spigot not required, just a convenience.

Pull off the spigot and the filter, throw them into the buckets and it's pretty portable. . .

The filters are can be cleaned with Scotchbrite cleaning pads. Each filter will last about 3000 gallons. Straining water before hand is recommended if you are using pond or puddle water.

Thought I'd share this with everyone as I'm new to the community and want to make a contribution.

5 Pictures can be found of this at:

http://gilmore100.photosite.com/album1/

Picture of Black Berkey filter

Picture of 2 buckets, one atop the other

Picture of filter installed in Upper bucket

Picture of bottom side of Upper Bucket

Picture of Lower bucket

(option spigot is shown)

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Originally posted by wolfgang2000 wolfgang2000 wrote:

Tigger usually water bed have to be treated with a chemical to take the air out. Would it be safe to drink after that?    
I don’t really know the answer if you can drink waterbed water. I imagine some of our soldiers/special ops/survivalists etc could answer with first hand knowledge. I searched a few sites and put this together.

…Do not use pool, spa or water bed water for drinking; the acids, algaecides and other chemicals can be harmful or deadly if ingested. http://www.preparedness.com/howmucwatsho.html

..a waterbed holds 80 to 200 gallons of water,

An average queen-sized water bed contains approximately 200 gallons of water.

A King waterbed weighs approximately 2200 lbs or 275 gallons of water

One site said this about watermattresses:

30. Don’t the plastics in waterbed contain hazardous substances?

Once again it is important to choose a European brand product. These products, after all, guarantee that the plastics in your watermattress contain no harmful components. This is less clear with some cheap imported mattresses. Mattresses made of PVC that is itself made in Europe provide the best guarantee of unquestionable quality, because they have to meet strict EU standards. The same applies to all the other materials used.

31. What kind of water is used in a waterbed?

Ordinary mains water.

32. How often do I have to change the water

The water in a watermattress only needs to be changed if you move house. A conditioner is added at regular intervals to prevent growth of algae and bacteria in your watermattress. The conditioner that is added at regular intervals keeps the water in your watermattress fresh.

Regardless if you decide not to drink, you'll still have lots of water for washing, flushing, and bathing.  Annie

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Wolfgang    Thanks that is just what I was looking for. water filter tips
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We will make it thru this...because of the support and help of all who are a part of this forum.
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Originally posted by Albert Albert wrote:

Penelope and other members have suggested making a 90 days prep list thread.  So any ideas on making a prep list for a family of 4?

 

What's the minimum amount of water it would take to last 90 days?  Any storing or purifying tips? 

 

What types of food, storing tips,  etc...  Exact quantities to last 90 days? 

 

What types of medications?

 

Emergency extras, such as generators, firearms, solar cookers, etc..   ?

 

We can clean the thread up later, but would anyone care to make any suggestions on making a 90 day prep list?


OK we talked about food. What else does Penelope need?


    
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