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Albert
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Penelope and other members have suggested making a 90 days prep list thread. So any ideas on making a prep list for a family of 4?
What's the minimum amount of water it would take to last 90 days? Any storing or purifying tips?
What types of food, storing tips, etc... Exact quantities to last 90 days?
What types of medications?
Emergency extras, such as generators, firearms, solar cookers, etc.. ?
We can clean the thread up later, but would anyone care to make any suggestions on making a 90 day prep list?
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From Pandemic Flu.Gov
They suggest a 2 week supply but you can increase supplies or adjust according to your families needs:
You can prepare for an influenza pandemic now. You should know both the magnitude of what can happen during a pandemic outbreak and what actions you can take to help lessen the impact of an influenza pandemic on you and your family. This checklist will help you gather the information and resources you may need in case of a flu pandemic.
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Other things worth considering in your preparations:
N-95 masks
Bleach
Latex Gloves
Hand sanitizer
Trash Bags
MRE's or Easy to Prepare meals with long shelf life
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gnfin
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Better store atleast six months of food,and water. It may be a long one.
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I have just started adding more cans of broth and diced tomatoes to my preps. Rice or beans may be added to these without needing as much water.
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wolfgang2000
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On the subject of water I believe the minimum is 1 gal a day per person. That should include the cooking part, but not the non potable use. (toilets)
Food: I'm a believer in buy what you eat, eat what you buy. So inventory what and how much your family eats. Then buy acordingly. You might think about being a little heavy on some dry stocks, such as beans (your choise) rice, patoto flakes, etc.. Simply because they store so well and long. I do stock some things that I don't use all the time. Such as the DAK 1 lb hams. These are a good protein source, long shelf life, and are great in a pot of red beans. |
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If money is an issue think in terms of buying items that have many uses such as salt and baking soda can be used in cleaning and for tooth paste. Dish liquid for clothes and even shampoo. Vinegar has countless uses. Plastic sheeting-lots of uses including using as a mattress cover on sick bed. Buy lots of Clorox and keep a plastic pail to hold Clorox water and rags (start a rag box) to keep everything wiped down with including door knobs and phone. Stock up on disinfectant spray- store brand will work. Milk of Magnesia makes the best safest deodorant, too and a bottle would last a very long time.
Any one remember "use it up, wear it out, make it do."? |
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Albert
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I like that Babygirl. We need to start them out with some immediate bulk items. 25 lbs of rice and 25 lbs of beans should get them started.
Hi wolfgang, good info on the water. A family of 4 would need 360 gal of water to last 90 days? Although the water service would not be out that long, how much water should we recommend for a minimum of 90 days? We need an exact number of gallons for the 90 day list after considering all factors, outages, etc...
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remember your pets... extra food, litter, meds, and keep them safe at home.
Have the kids make their own... fun box... office box with lid. books, art supplies, batteries, small toys, treats, anything comforting, new small blankie, sm, stuffed toy....then put them away.
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wolfgang2000
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Ok.... lets face it when BF hits our water and electric will not be turned off. But due to illness and absenteeism, if something breaks it will take longer to get it fixed.
So I would get 1 55 gal drum per person. If they want to store a full 90 days worth it will take 7 55 gal drums. Then get a few extra to catch run off from the roof. The water off the roof can be used for non potable water, and filtered and boiled for human use if it you have to. As far as beans and rice go. 1 1/2 lb of beans with 2 cup of rice will feed a family of 4 easily. To make the math easier round the beans off to 2 lbs. We would add haft of a DAK ham in the pot. Might I suggest that they read my emer. prep plan? It covers a lot of this territory. |
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Colonel
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I assume that you mean this literally as in no one is going to intentionally open a switch or close a valve to turn off the power and water. However, there is no practical difference between that and those utilities shutting down due to fuel not being delivered, water treatment chemicals not being delivered, auto-shutdown sequences being triggered, and other normal occurrances that require human intervention. While utilities are highly automated, there is still a lot of hands-on work required to keep them running. Even though there would be a very heavy emphasis by those who believe they are in charge on keeping utilities up and running, the probability of that actually happening is pretty slim. The longer the situation continues, the lower the chance of there being electricity or safe drinking water.
One of my first assumptions when prepping is that there will be no power here (our water comes from our well, so when the power is out - so is the water). To that end, we have a solar electric system and generator. We also have a hand-pump well. If your situation doesn't allow something like that, then work toward alternate sources or do a whole lot of storage preps.
Just my opinion, of course.
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http://www.thefoodguys.com/foodcalc.html
TheFoodGuys.com - Food Storage Calculator The following calculator will help you figure the minimum food storage amounts needed for your family. These amounts are based on the recommendations listed in the LDS Church's Home Production and Storage manual. These figures are recommendations, and are basic year supply minimums only. You will need to choose the best options and foods you should store for your family. |
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Colonel, I think were are saying the same thing.
My point is this. When BF hits the USA all the light and water will not go out immediately. You will have a little time. How much who knows. Our public services will start being affected when absenteeism starts keeping those employees home. Yes we should store or be able to store water, and have a plan to get more when that runs out. I grew up in hurricane country. After every major power outage or storm, we went under a boil order. The water still came out the pipes, it just wasn't potable. If you boiled it it was fine. All I'm saying is figure all contingencies into the equation. Like you I get my water from a well. I also have a generator. (A hand pump is not a option. My well is to deep.) I can't afford solar. But I have several ponds. So a filter is on my list to get soon. |
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Legacy
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I've been in the forum for about a year now, and, though I've looked all over, I haven't seen this mentioned, so I'll take this opportunity. One of the first things I purchased was a butane burner for cooking. It's a single burner, about 10 inches square and is fueled by cans of butane. It can be used indoors very safely and is very compact, light and easy to use. I believe they can be purchased where camping equipment is sold, or you could just google "butane cooker". I purchased the extra butane cans at GFS (gordon food service). They might sell the cookers also. We ended up with one because my husband makes these righteous crab cakes, but the house smells something awful when he fries them indoors, so I send him outside with the butane burner. Just a suggestion for a safe, clean and quick way to cook without electricity.
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I do everything my Rice Crispies tell me to....
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I too have a little collapsible camp stove that uses the fuel cell cans. I did a trial run with this and found it very handy, and heated up a big pot of water in good time. The fuel cell cans are two for a dollar around here at dollar stores.
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I've posted this several times in the past. Albert this is a great topic to remind the old timers and to help get the newbies started. Annie
Feeding a Family of Four with: Fifty pounds of Pinto Beans, Fifty pounds of Rice, How long will this last? Beans: (2/lbs=32/oz=907/g)=(¼ cup dry = 26 servings) (2/lbs x 25/lbs=50/lbs)=(26 servings x 25/lbs)=650 servings 3 servings a day x 4 people = 12 servings a day. 650 bean servings divided by 12 servings a day = 54.17 days 54.17 days divided by 31 days in a month = 2.58 months Fifty pounds of beans feeds a family of four 2-½ months IF YOU HAVE WATER: To RINSE well (water tossed or used to wash/flush/irrigate potted plants/pets), To SOAK in 2 quarts of water (water tossed or used to wash/flush/irrigate herbs/pets,etc), To COOK in 2 quarts of water THAT’S A GALLON OF WATER FOR ONE POUND OF BEANS 2/gals H20 x 50 pounds of beans = 100 Gallons of water (Almost two 55 gallon barrels) Rice: (2/lbs=32/oz=907/g)=(1/4 dry=1cup cooked=19 servings (2/lbs x 25/lbs=50/lbs)=(19 servings x 25/lbs)=475 servings 3 servings a day x 4 people = 12 servings a day 475 servings divided by 12 servings a day = 39.58 days 39.58 days divided by 31 days in a month = 1.28 months Fifty pounds of rice feeds a family of four 1-¼ months IF YOU HAVE WATER: To COOK ¼ cup rice in 1/2 cup of water (rather than 2/3 cups) THAT’S 19 servings using 9.5 cups of water= 1-¼ gallons/water (Only one 55 gallon barrel).
(Beth posted: Beans are about 3.5 calories per gram dry, though it varies according to the type. Rice is a bit less than 4 calories per gram (dry). A woman needs 2000 calories per day approx. 500g rice x 4 calories= 2000 calories. A man needs about 2500cals, or 625 grams. Obviously it depends on build/activity levels etc I only need 1600-1800 calories as I am a small woman and do sedentary work. Just adjust it for your family.) Maysday posted:
A 1 lb bag of beans holds about 2 1/2 cups. A quart jar holds 2 of these meals and a gallon jug of dry beans holds about eight meals. Pintos, red beans, and Lima's to name a few need to be soaked over night to save on cooking time. I know now that a 25-pound bag of rice will fill up 16-quart jars. A 25-pound of rice takes 18-quart jars. |
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I have one of those "butane burners too". I paid £10 for it and the 220g cannisters are £1 (so i bought a dozen). Specs say it will burn for 90 mins on full or 4 hours on simmer. It boiled a litre of water in under 3 mins. I bought locally but ebay is full of them.
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I have also posted this several times, but felt it was important to help Albert have a complete answer to his post. Annie
I believe the pandemic is very likely. The world health experts are not doing enough to warn the general public about the bird flu that could mutate into a form that could easily spread among humans, touching off a global pandemic.
The U.S. is not doing enough to prepare. The U.S.A. may be preparing for a flu pandemic scenario by stockpiling vaccines, but they are not mandating the public have enough personal food and water supplies at home. Even a minimal supply of one month of food and water for each family member should be set aside for an emergency. Albert has requested help for ninty days. Whatever the threat or emergency like a fire, flood, earthquake, or severe illness each household should be prepared to help their own families. We all need to be able to SIP (Shelter-In-Place, Sit-In-Place, Stay-In-Place) to help break the infection-contamination of others and to help protect our own families without going out in a crowd. Here are a few ideas of what you can do for your family in preparing for any emergency. THE LOW BUDGET, LITTLE SPACE, EMERGENCY PLAN The most important thing you can do for yourself and your family is to read the Word of God, pray for preparation guidance and increase your knowledge about any emergency disaster potential's in your area. Then, prepare accordingly. Life will probably be quite a bit different after a catastrophic occurrence with heat, power, and service losses. Why not BE PREPARED for emergencies that you have time TO GET PREPARED. Pretend your ill with the flu, sporadic power; sporadic water and you can't go to the store for anything! Your home pandemic plan might include the following:
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wolfgang2000
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Legacy, good topic. Those little cookers are handy, especially if you plan on BO. Personally I went with a counter top model. There are several 1, 2, or 3 burner models at Harbor Freight, or Sportsman's Guide. They use a 20 lb propane bottle. A couple years ago I gave my son a counter top model. It had 2 burners, a center griddle, and a small oven. It came from Harbor Freight. |
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I have a 2 burner coleman camp stove. It uses the 16oz cylinders. I have about 50 of those cylinders and 2 20 pound bulk cylinders. You will need an adaptor hose to
work it off the bulk tanks. Go ahead and get a pressure cooker now. It will save on fuel. I have a 4 quart one. I can cook a chicken in 40 minutes. I love beans, all kinds. If you soak your beans overnight they will take less fuel to cook. You might want to consider getting 2 pressure cookers. Have a backup. I have the 4 quart one and a 8 quart one. |
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I also have an oven that goes on the camp stove. It is nice. It is kind of small. It works great.
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July
thank you for food storage calculator it is realy helping to know how much and of what to prep to have a balanced diet I calculated that we have some 9-12 month prep but salt we have for 3 years! |
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Krogers has water that comes in 2.5 gallon containers. They are kinda square. You could line them up under a bed. They would stack good, too.
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I am still not liking to hear...
we may close schools for 12 weeks
have enough food for 2 weeks.
I hope people do the math.
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wolfgang2000
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I hear you Ann. But 2 weeks beats the 3 days that FEMA tell you about.
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Just over a year ago I bought a book by a British Author on bird flu. The same advice was given - to stock up on food and medicine for threee days for a family.
Even then it made no sense to me as when one of my children just had an ordinary virus they could be really ill for nearly a week. I also remember having flu in 1957 as a child and that I was in bed for about ten days and really weak after that. |
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I agree with the pressure cooker. Pinto beans in about 15 minutes. That saves a lot of fuel. For cooking, look into the regular Coleman two burner stove. They are now multi fuel, which means you can safely use unleaded gasoline in them. You can do that in th eold ones, too, but the fuel will burn out the carb. The new generation stoves have a better carb that can handle gasoline. I also have two LPG stoves. As tigger said, if you go to wally world you can get an adapter hose that lets you run these stoves on your BBQ tanks, travel trailer or motorhome tanks, or upright tanks. LPG goes a long way for cooking.
And lastly, instant oats. I don't see enough people prepping with oats. They cook fast, are filling, and good for ya. Winco sells a huge bag for around 15 bucks. By huge, I'm guessing around 30 or 40 pounds. I don't think I've seen them at SAMS or Cosco,,,,not sure.
And really really lastly, you can also buy bulk Instant Masa Harina. Just add water, roll out your tortillas, and give then about 20 seconds on each side over a hot griddle. I don't know too mant folk who don't like Mexican style food, and you can put anything on a tortilla. At Winco a 20-25 pound sack is 10 bucks. Caveat - - -A shorter shelf life than many preps, so keep small bags until your last run to the store, then get the big sacks. MMMMMMMMM, I think I'm having fajitas tonite.
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my last CERT class teacher sayed , 6 weeks of supplys
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This about water storage. I posted it earlier. That thread rolled back, so I dont know if anyone saw it. If you have an extra room that you store preps in put up a water bed. It would probably hold 150-200 gallons of water.
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Tigger usually water bed have to be treated with a chemical to take the air out. Would it be safe to drink after that?
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I dont know.
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I need to get a water purifier a good one that doesn't cost 500-600 dollars .
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The MIOX is a great purifier. It's only 129.95. i got mine at planforflu.com
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I do everything my Rice Crispies tell me to....
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Here is someone who built his own water filter useing 2 5 gal. buckets and Berkey filters. This off the W/R site.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- . . From looking around this site, I've picked up that water is even more important than food, as more than a few days without something wet will kill ya dead. I looked at storing water and for the LONG term you can never store enough. I looked into water purifying filters and units. Me thinks the "Black Berkey" filter is the best. "Google" it and see what you think yourself. I'm too cheap to buy a whole filtering unit for a couple of hundred $$$, I just bought a couple of filters ($80.00) and built my own "unit". 2 - five gallon FOOD GRADE (#2 in a triangle is stamped on the bottom of the) buckets with lids. Drill a couple holes in them and you are up and running. . . I also "popped" for a spigot, so the pictures you will see are the "de luxe" model. Spigot not required, just a convenience. Pull off the spigot and the filter, throw them into the buckets and it's pretty portable. . . The filters are can be cleaned with Scotchbrite cleaning pads. Each filter will last about 3000 gallons. Straining water before hand is recommended if you are using pond or puddle water. Thought I'd share this with everyone as I'm new to the community and want to make a contribution. 5 Pictures can be found of this at: http://gilmore100.photosite.com/album1/ Picture of Black Berkey filter Picture of 2 buckets, one atop the other Picture of filter installed in Upper bucket Picture of bottom side of Upper Bucket Picture of Lower bucket (option spigot is shown) Gilmore . . |
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I don’t really know the answer if you can drink waterbed water. I imagine some of our soldiers/special ops/survivalists etc could answer with first hand knowledge. I searched a few sites and put this together.
…Do not use pool, spa or water bed water for drinking; the acids, algaecides and other chemicals can be harmful or deadly if ingested. http://www.preparedness.com/howmucwatsho.html ..a waterbed holds 80 to 200 gallons of water, An average queen-sized water bed contains approximately 200 gallons of water. A King waterbed weighs approximately 2200 lbs or 275 gallons of water One site said this about watermattresses:
30. Don’t the plastics in waterbed contain hazardous substances? Once again it is important to choose a European brand product. These products, after all, guarantee that the plastics in your watermattress contain no harmful components. This is less clear with some cheap imported mattresses. Mattresses made of PVC that is itself made in Europe provide the best guarantee of unquestionable quality, because they have to meet strict EU standards. The same applies to all the other materials used. 31. What kind of water is used in a waterbed? Ordinary mains water. 32. How often do I have to change the water The water in a watermattress only needs to be changed if you move house. A conditioner is added at regular intervals to prevent growth of algae and bacteria in your watermattress. The conditioner that is added at regular intervals keeps the water in your watermattress fresh. |
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Wolfgang Thanks that is just what I was looking for. water filter tips
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We will make it thru this...because of the support and help of all who are a part of this forum.
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OK we talked about food. What else does Penelope need? |
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