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    Posted: June 03 2007 at 2:17pm
The Desperation Shopping List:
The 7 Critical Items That Are Guaranteed to be Stripped From Store 
Shelves When You Need Them Most in a Crisis.
 
1.) Prescription medications.  Don't ever let yourself come close to 
running out again, because disasters don't wait until you have a fresh 
refill (and some disasters may last longer than your meds.)  Getting 
extra prescriptions is not a problem if you have a sympathetic doctor, or 
order wisely on the Internet. You can always visit multiple pharmacies 
with these prescription slips (for ordinary prescriptions, not 
narcotics, of course.) 
 
But you probably won't be able to get around the typical insurance 
company "three month limit" policy. You must resign yourself to paying for 
the extra medications entirely out of your own pocket. If you buy 
generic brands, in quantity, and from a discount pharmacy (such as Sam's 
Club), then for most medications it probably won't cost  much more than 
your insurance prescription co-payment. 
 
Store them in the back of your refrigerator or another cool, dark 
place.
 
If you want to be ready for the worst, then you need to imagine the 
worst.  In a real disaster, a pharmacy will be the last place you want to 
go.  If you do, you will find the sickest, most desperate, and criminal 
opportunists congregating.  You don't want to go there.  And don't 
think that your pharmacy has more than a few days supply to meet normal 
demand.   Your year's supply of blood pressure medicine probably isn't 
even on hand today, let alone after all the others in line ahead of you to 
get their year's supply.
 
2.) Over-the-counter medications and vitamins that your family uses 
regularly.  Stock up at a discount store, or Internet source, preferably 
when the medications and vitamins go on sale.   Again, store them in the 
back of your refrigerator or sealed in a cool basement.  Shop for 
purity, freshness, and quality.  If you aren't sure of what vitamins might 
be most essential when you are living off the food supply you purchased , then refer to the course's discussion of this 
important topic.  If it's a flu epidemic, and you are willing to risk 
infection to face the panicked shopping crowds, you can bet that 
anything that people think will protect themselves against the flu will be 
sold out.
 
3.) Water Filtration System. When there is ?water, water everywhere, 
but not a drop to drink? (because it may be contaminated) a water filter 
will keep your family alive.  Instead of the faucet attachment units 
sold at many stores, *****es recommends getting two filters: A compact 
Katadyn filter (the type used by backpackers), and a large, high-volume 
British Berkefeld ceramic filter.  When power and gas is out, no one will 
be able to boil water.  The portable filter will allow you to travel 
without carrying a large water supply.
 
4.) Salt. When a salt supply runs out, you'll know why Roman soldiers 
were happy to be paid in this precious commodity.  Of course, the 
lessons in the *****es Gets You Ready course will keep you from living on just 
beans and rice three meals a day.  If you think beans and rice are 
boring now, try them without a grain of salt!  
 
Not only will salt make your meals more palatable, it is crucial both 
for preserving food, and for attracting wild game.  Unless you live next 
to a salt marsh, buy plenty of 1 pound canisters of iodized granulated 
table salt.  Go to your local feed store and buy several large 
livestock white salt blocks.  If you have the storage space, buy a dozen or 
more. They will be an ideal item for barter and charity.  
 
If you have a water softener, stop paying for salt delivery, and stock 
up your own, so you can have hundreds of pounds on hand at any time, 
more than you would ever need.  (And anyone can go to the Home Depot and 
buy rock salt for pennies a pound.)
 
5.) Storage foods that yield complete proteins.  You think people are 
ignorant of how to eat healthy?  Think again.  Watch for those sacks of 
beans and rice to be piled on the carts when disaster approaches.  You 
don't need a master's degree to know about this basic nutritional 
principle.
 
Animal proteins (meat, poultry, fish, milk, cheese, and eggs) are 
classified as complete proteins. They contain sufficient amino acids for 
nutrition. However, vegetable proteins (grains, vegetables, beans, nuts, 
and seeds) by themselves are incomplete proteins. 
 
If all that you had to eat was just rice or wheat, you would starve to 
death, regardless of how much you ate. Vegetable proteins either do not 
have enough of, or completely lack, one or more crucial amino acids. 
But you can combine foods (as shown in the lists below) and then the food 
will yield a complete protein. Beans and rice are a classic example.  
Separately, they have incomplete proteins, but when eaten together, you 
have a complete protein. No wonder that burritos are so popular in 
Mexico!
 
Combine Grains and Nuts/Seeds:
Rice cakes and peanut butter
Breadsticks rolled with sesame seeds
Whole wheat bun with sesame seeds 
 
Combine Grains and Legumes:
Rice and beans
Peanut butter on whole wheat bread
Bean soup and a roll
Salad with chickpeas and cornbread
Vegetarian chili with bread
 
Combine Legumes and Nuts/Seeds:
Humus (chickpeas and sesame paste)
Trail mix (peanuts and sunflower seeds)
 
6.) Batteries (Alkaline, NiMH, and chargers).  Inventory all of your 
home electronics that need batteries. Make a list of the number and types 
of batteries that they use.  Buy three times as many rechargeable 
batteries for each of these devices (one set for in the device, one set for 
in the charger, and one spare set).  You may spend more on the 
batteries than the devices, but we are talking about batteries only for 
essential items like radios and flashlights.  (That does not mean that you 
can't save money by using spare rechargeables in your remote controls and 
other non-essentials.)
 
Buy the Nickel Metal Hydride (NiMH) variety. 
NiMH batteries can 
be recharged dozens of times. (Buy an even larger quantity than the 
?triple? rule for your flashlights, because you might have to depend on 
flashlights much more than usual in a disaster.) 
 
When you consider the cost and preciousness of batteries, you will 
suddenly realize that your selection of flashlights is awfully important.  
The runtime of a well-selected LED flashlight with variable dimming can 
do a lot to conserve batteries, because you rarely need the full 
brightness.
 
You will want to buy at least two battery chargers:  1) A 117 VAC 
(household current) "smart charger", and 2) A 12 Volt DC battery charger.  
These chargers are available from Radio Shack and RV accessory vendors 
such as Camping World. 
 
7.) Hand sanitizer. Buy it in quantity.  It will invaluable in the 
event of an influenza pandemic.  Not just for when you are worried about 
surfaces out in the infectious world.  Think how helpful it would be to 
keep a dispenser at your door, so that everyone cleans up before coming 
into the house.  If you don't have any on hand, you won't even be able 
to take this simple precaution.  And if you just have a little on hand 
for infrequent use, it will run out fast.



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Great post Web,  Reminds me that I need to buy more batteries.  Thanks :)
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Well, today I realized I wasn't as prepared as I thought I was. I have all kinds of flu/cold and Tylenol meds for our children. But today I needed ibuprofen for my 7 year old when she hurt her ankle(for inflammation) and I did not have any. I was thinking Flu meds but never thought of other things that could go wrong. So off to the store I go again tomorrow.   
Last week my boy's skin got this huge rash from an allregic reaction and I didn't have Benadryl so I had to run for store for that. I still have more to do I guess.:O)
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Originally posted by Gexydaf Gexydaf wrote:

April 10 2007 at 12:21am

100 Items to Disappear First

1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc.)
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
17. Survival Guide Book.
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cook-stoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene) 22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
45. Work-boots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
51. Fishing supplies/tools
52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
53. Duct Tape
54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
55. Candles
56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
57. Back bags, Duffel Bags
58. Garden tools & supplies
59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
75. Soy-sauce, vinegar, bullion's/gravy/soup-base
76. Reading glasses
77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
85. Lumber (all types)
86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's
88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
89. Lantern Hangers
90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
91. Teas
92. Coffee
93. Cigarettes
94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
95. Paraffin wax
96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
97. Chewing gum/candies
98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
100. Goats/chickens From a Sarajevo War Survivor:


Experiencing horrible things that can happen in a war - death of parents and friends, hunger and malnutrition, endless freezing cold, fear, sniper attacks.
1. Stockpiling helps. but you never no how long trouble will last, so locate near renewable food sources.
2. Living near a well with a manual pump is like being in Eden.
3. After awhile, even gold can lose its luster. But there is no luxury in war quite like toilet paper. Its surplus value is greater than gold's.
4. If you had to go without one utility, lose electricity - it's the easiest to do without (unless you're in a very nice climate with no need for heat.)
5. Canned foods are awesome, especially if their contents are tasty without heating. One of the best things to stockpile is canned gravy - it makes a lot of the dry unappetizing things you find to eat in war somewhat edible. Only needs enough heat to "warm", not to cook. It's cheap too, especially if you buy it in bulk.
6. Bring some books - escapist ones like romance or mysteries become more valuable as the war continues. Sure, it's great to have a lot of survival guides, but you'll figure most of that out on your own anyway - trust me, you'll have a lot of time on your hands.
7. The feeling that you're human can fade pretty fast. I can't tell you how many people I knew who would have traded a much needed meal for just a little bit of toothpaste, rouge, soap or cologne. Not much point in fighting if you have to lose your humanity. These things are morale-builders like nothing else.
8. Slow burning candles and matches, matches, matches

Read on for a great list posted by Penham & FloriduhGirl
    
    
    
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Medicine Cabinet:  Penham's List

(A few additions noted)
Ok, here's what I have:
 
1 First Aid book - Annie
6 bottles alcohol
6 bottles peroxide
10 boxes bandaids
4 boxes guaze pads
2 rolls medical tape
2 therometers (oral & rectal - Annie)
1 stethoscope
1 blood pressure cuff
1 glucose monitering machine
6 bottles Benadryl (generic)
10 bottles cough syrup
4 pkgs. Alkaselzer
2 pkgs. maalox
2 pkgs. PeptoBismal
2 tubes antibiotic ointment (need more)
4 tubes Cortizone
2 tubes fungal (athletes foot/jock itch)
2 tubes bacitracin, staph infection could kill-TurboyGuy1
2 tube Benadryl cream
lots of Ibuprofen, Tylenol
50 bars soap
10 bottles hand sanitzer
10 pkgs. baby wipes
yeast infection medication
5 albuterol inhalers
nebulizer
box of inhalation albuterol
steroid nasal spray
crutches
ace bandages
wrist imobilizer
walking cast/ankle
20 bottles shampoo
10 tubes toothpaste
20 deodorants (10 mens 10 womens)
20 bottles lotion
10 bottles body wash
10 pkgs sanitary pads
N-95 masks (3/day x 90=270 ea ind. minimum - Annie)
270 latex surgical gloves (watch allergic reaction latex)
2 pkgs anti-diarhea meds (need more)
20 bags cough drops
3 months supply of prescrition meds
2 bottles head lice treatment - Tammy
3 month supply of birth controll pills
condoms
female hygenic supplies - Annie
saline nasal spray
eye drops
spare set of eye glasses w/updated script - Patb
dental kit (CVS) - Patb
Books on holistic meds - Patb
 
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I've been prepping for a while, and I'm STILL nowhere near where I need to be. It's frustrating. Everything is mega expensive. I've done well at pawn shops for old tools (sometimes pawn shops are mega cheap). Yard sales are a godsend. And, while I hate chinese goods, and generally refuse to buy them, I have come to realise that there is more at stake than the prospect of giving in to my detestations.

Here's what we have so far:
150 lbs of Rice
80lbs of beans
50 lbs of all purpose flour (I'm buying a crapload more tommorow)
10 lbs of semolina flour
2lbs of active dry yeast
15lbs of whole wheat flour
40 cans of sardines/octopus/squid, etc.
50 cans of tuna
50 cans of soup
30 boxes/bags of pasta
15 bags of noodles
Approx 20 small bags of dehydrated vegetables
80ish cans of various vegetables
5lbs of salt
50lbs of sugar
20 cans of tomatoes (a big deal in our house)
10 bottles of Tiger sauce (awful, right?)
20 gallons of olive oil
15 bottles of balsalmic vinegar
10 gallons of white vinegar
20 boxes of that parmalait stuff
10lbs of powdered milk (yech!)
about 10lbs of dried peppers (I've got em in my garden)
all the spices/herbal medicines you could imagine
10 jars of mayo (on sale, baby)
10 bottles of mustard
An absolutely endless supply of tea and ginseng
A few cases of wine : P
A nice store of liquor
And, other little goodies- chocolate, pistachios, oils, etc.
10 tubes of toothpaste
20 bars of soap
100 disposable razors
30 boxes of baking soda
2 boxes of 50 rolls of toilet paper
2 boxes of 14 rolls of paper towels
(I'm starting on the Mane and Tail shampoo/condit tommorrow- it's cheap as hell and it works like a charm)
10 bottles of cocoa butter (big bottles)
2 first aid kits
rain suits
oil lanterns (old school)
tons of lamp oil
guns  - smith & wesson M&P 40 cal (compact model, so it fits my hands, as well), Walther p22, winchester defender 1300 12g, My grandfather's 1952 winchester rifle, and we're really psyched, because we're getting ready to buy a colt 9mm AR-15 :D....yeah, we've got a small armory...tee hee
almost too much ammunition
Correction....wayyyy wayyy too much ammunition
We've also got hunting bows
absolutely endless fishing gear
Spear guns
Dive gear
boats
Bang Sticks ( but, you can only use em in internatl. waters : (    )
Hawaiian spears
Cast Iron cookwear (I've been picking it up cheap at Marshalls and TJ Maxx)
Chef's knives (My man can cook, what can I say?)
Tons of (mostly manual) cooking equipment- and good stuff like pizza stones, spare brick lying around in our warehouse, ceramic cookwear, etc.
Firewood
Gardening equipment
I've got a store of seeds that would make ya'lls jaw drop- Thank you Seedsavers.com  ;)
We currently have a garden going. It's small, but can be extended considerably, provided there is a need
We've also got a multi-acre property that is walled in by a 12 foot, 1ft thick concrete wall, with VERY sharp steel finials on top of it. It has fruit trees, and plenty of room to plant a whole damn farm. It's a real estate development, that hasn't got much going on because of the market
We've got a well, tapped, and a pump for it at our house
We've got generators
tents
trailers
suvs
Lots of rope
Compressors
A ridiculous number of tools
warehouses
2 300gal poly tanks I got from a water treatment plant
survival/gardening/herbal/fishing/hunting/sailing/building books...etc.
You name it
 
 
 
.........but..........THERE IS SOO MUCH MORE we need!
I've barely touched down on the food needs- the first aid needs and basic hygeine needs are out the damn door right now.
Most of the stuff we already have lying around- dormant, ready to be used should a situation arise.
Keep on prepping, guys. We've got so much work to do.
 
 
 
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Add some garlic and replace the vinegar with apple cider vinegar.
Garlic is a natural anti biotic.

And don't forget the fiber.   That will help your digestive tract get
rid of all the canned stuff we will have to live on.   You can get fiber
pretty cheap now-a-days.    So stock up now
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3787867.stm



Harnessing honey's healing power
By Angie Knox


Honey has been known for its healing properties for thousands of years - the Ancient Greeks used it, and so have many other peoples through the ages.

Even up to the second world war, honey was being used for its antibacterial properties in treating wounds.

read in full....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3787867.stm
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Honey is still used in advanced surgical dressings today - Manuka honey I think.
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Hello Floriduhgirl
 
If I may ask        what does Je voulais parler la belle langue mon siecle       mean???    I am very interested in it    (it is very differant)
Will you let everbody in your house?
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Originally posted by Rockhound Rockhound wrote:

Hello Floriduhgirl
 
If I may ask        what does Je voulais parler la belle langue mon siecle       mean???    I am very interested in it    (it is very differant)
 
It's the last line of Guy Debord's "Memoires", which was kind of an autobiography on his works
 
It means, roughly translated: I wanted to speak the beautiful language of my century.
 
 
 
It's actually de mon siecle....haha..now that I look at it. I suppose it doesn't make much sense the way it is. Sorry about that.
 
He's a fascinating read, and although most of his works were done in French, most have been translated. He was a rather famous cat. He was a situationalist writer- and a lot of his theories and questions make up the fabric of my socio-political ideologies. He had quite a brain.
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Does anyone know if canned goods last longer than the date that's on them? 
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Yes a lot longer, but they will gradually lose their vitamin content..
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Ready.Gov Checklist.  More good ideas ...
 
 
When preparing for a possible emergency situation, it's best to think first about the basics of survival: fresh water, food, clean air and warmth.

Recommended Items to Include in a Basic Emergency Supply Kit:

  • Water, one gallon of water per person per day for at least three days, for drinking and sanitation
  • Food, at least a three-day supply of non-perishable food
  • Battery-powered or hand crank radio and a NOAA Weather Radio with tone alert and extra batteries for both
  • Flashlight and extra batteries
  • First aid kit
  • Whistle to signal for help
  • Dust mask, to help filter contaminated air and plastic sheeting and duct tape to shelter-in-place
  • Moist towelettes, garbage bags and plastic ties for personal sanitation
  • Wrench or pliers to turn off utilities
  • Can opener for food (if kit contains canned food)
  • Local maps

Additional Items to Consider Adding to an Emergency Supply Kit:

  • Prescription medications and glasses
  • Infant formula and diapers
  • Pet food and extra water for your pet
  • Important family documents such as copies of insurance policies, identification and bank account records in a waterproof, portable container
  • Cash or traveler's checks and change
  • Emergency reference material such as a first aid book or information from www.ready.gov
  • Sleeping bag or warm blanket for each person. Consider additional bedding if you live in a cold-weather climate.
  • Complete change of clothing including a long sleeved shirt, long pants and sturdy shoes. Consider additional clothing if you live in a cold-weather climate.
  • Household chlorine bleach and medicine dropper – When diluted nine parts water to one part bleach, bleach can be used as a disinfectant. Or in an emergency, you can use it to treat water by using 16 drops of regular household liquid bleach per gallon of water. Do not use scented, color safe or bleaches with added cleaners.
  • Fire Extinguisher
  • Matches in a waterproof container
  • Feminine supplies and personal hygiene items
  • Mess kits, paper cups, plates and plastic utensils, paper towels
  • Paper and pencil
  • Books, games, puzzles or other activities for children

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The Desperation Shopping List:
The 7 Critical Items That Are Guaranteed to be Stripped From Store 
Shelves When You Need Them Most in a Crisis.
 
7.) Hand sanitizer. Buy it in quantity.  It will invaluable in the 
event of an influenza pandemic.  Not just for when you are worried about 
surfaces out in the infectious world.  Think how helpful it would be to 
keep a dispenser at your door, so that everyone cleans up before coming 
into the house.  If you don't have any on hand, you won't even be able 
to take this simple precaution.  And if you just have a little on hand 
for infrequent use, it will run out fast.



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 Hand Sanitizers Don't Clean Up
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Last Update: 10/18 1:21 pm
 
The ads claim to "kill germs without water," or are "99.99 percent germ free." But do these antibacterial sanitizers really do what they say they do?

In a Don’t Waste Your Money consumer investigation, we purchased several different hand sanitizers to put the claims to the test.

Dr. Val Flechtner studies germs and knows why sanitizers have become so popular.

"The most important, staphylococcus aureus, that organism can give you an infection in a papercut or an infection that can kill you," Flechtner said.

Whether they're name brands, or names you've never heard of before, sanitizers all have one thing in common -- the active ingredient, ethyl alcohol, also known as ethanol.

The Federal Drug Administration recommends a concentration of at least 60 percent ethyl alcohol. Otherwise, it would be the same as washing your hands without the soap.

The testers first pressed fingers on a petri dish to find out just how much bacteria is actually on their hands before they use the sanitizer.

Then after applying it, the testers pressed their fingers on a separate petri dish to show what happens after.

"I took the plate and incubated them for 48 hours to give the bacteria full potential for them to grow. Now if the products work, the after should show little to no bacteria, Flechtner said.

"Pretty much similar in results," she said.

The results showed that alcohol works, but is it as effective when it's in products?

Flechtner said, "the answer to that question is no."

The generic on many store shelves is April antibacterial hand sanitizer.

"April at least has a lovely color," Flechtner said. "But is it doing the job that you want it to? Probably not very much."

As far as Flechtner is concerned "Sani-doo" is a don't.

"If the purpose of buying antibacterial sanitizer is to get rid of bacteria, I would say you are wasting your money," Flechtner said.

Each one of the generic Dollar Store products were like using nothing at all. Lucky brand antibacterial sanitizers also failed Flechtner's test.

"Ethanol did a better job than any of the products here," she said.

The brand names tested -- Purell and one from the American Red Cross -- both did the job. There was little to no bacteria after hands were cleaned with these products.

Chemistry professor Dr. Mike Setter, who took on the task of testing the products to find out just how much ethyl alcohol was in each product.

He found that the products do have what they claim.

"It tells me that something else in the formula affects the efficiency, it's not just the alcohol," Setter said.

One company that is not worried is GOJO, makers of Purell.

In the test, Purell passed. A petri dish showed bacteria before using Purell, but afterward, it was significantly reduced.

The makers of Purell said the formula is what makes the difference.

"We have a pretty exhaustive testing system. As I mentioned before, we repeatedly and routinely test along all parts of the manufacturing process," said Kathleen Hooker.

Many of the generic products that tried to simulate Purell's name brand reverse engineered the formulation.

The FDA allows manufacturers to claim the product works if it has at least 60 percent ethyl alcohol. But the tests suggested it may be the formulation and not just the active ingredient that matters.

Sometimes it pays to spend the extra bucks for the brand name.

How Sanitizer Tests Are Conducted

The tests were led by Dr. Val Flechtner, Ph.D Biologist at John Carroll University.

Methodology:

1. Subjects running their fingers through their hair to make sure there were bacteria present.

2. Subjects pressing three fingers of one hand against the surface of the agar plate.

3. Subjects directed to use the sanitizer as they would normally use a sanitizer.

4. Students pressing the same three fingers of their hand against the surface of a new plate.

To make sure the Petri dishes were not contaminated, plates were incubated at 37 C 40-44 hours. They were examined visually for growth of bacteria. All plates were used within five days of preparation. They were stored in sealed plastic bags prior to use.

There was no wholesale contamination of this batch of plates. No bacterial growth was noted on plates held 10 days at room temperature.

One could see that the growth of bacteria on both the before and after plates occurred in three clusters which corresponded to the imprint on the students fingers on the surface of the plate. In addition, two trials were run for each product; the results between all tests for each product were consistent.

Here are the results of the tests:

CONTROL BATCH:

* Control batch of 64 percent Ethyl Alcohol –- showed significant reduction of bacteria count after use.

* Control batch of water -– showed NO reduction of bacteria count after washing hands with water.

* Control batch of 64 percent Ethyl Alcohol with glycerin –- showed significant reduction of bacteria count after use.

PRODUCTS:

* Lucky Hand Sanitizer -- showed little to no reduction of bacteria count after use.

* Sani-Doo Hand Sanitizer -- showed little to no reduction of bacteria count after use.

* April Bath & Shower Hand Sanitizer –- showed little to no reduction of bacteria count after use.

* American Red Cross -– showed significant reduction of bacteria count after use.

* Purell -- showed significant reduction of bacteria count after use.

* "Pure" Generic Hand Sanitizer -- showed little to no reduction of bacteria count after use.

* Family Dollar Generic Hand Sanitizer -– showed little to no reduction of bacteria count after use.

* Target Generic Hand Sanitizer -- showed significant reduction of bacteria count after use.

* CVS Generic Hand Sanitizer -- showed significant reduction of bacteria count after use.

* Walgreens Generic Hand Sanitizer -- showed significant reduction of bacteria count after use.

* Rite Aid Generic Hand Sanitizer -- showed some reduction of bacteria count after use.

* Personal Care Hand Sanitizer -- showed little to no reduction of bacteria count after use.

Manufacturers' Responses

Lucky Super Soft Hand Sanitizer -- Delta Brands

"Delta Brands is in the business of providing low cost value products that compare to more expensive brands. Our products save consumers considerable money and make premium products available to many people who otherwise may not be able to afford them.

As with most of our products, Lucky Hand Sanitizer contains the same active ingredient as the leading brand on the market. Since our products rely on the original formula (much like a generic drug does), we do not conduct testing for efficacy; our testing is for compliance with the original product.

In addition, we are certain that you are aware that many variables can affect test results of this kind. So we ask that you approach the story with caution, validating your results for accuracy, including establishing a control on the Petri dishes themselves to ensure that the dishes were not previously contaminated.

Attached to this letter you will find a copy of the testing results that we relied on for the making of this product. Based on this and our formula, we are confident that our product works as well as the leading brand in the category. (Lucky Testing Results)

If you would be so kind as to forward all of your testing results as well as the methodology for the testing, we would be happy review your information. If needed, we will conduct further testing on the product to validate our claims and ensure compliance with FDA standards and regulations.

It is always our primary objective that our customers are getting the very best products available."



Family Dollar Stores

"Our mission is to provide customers with a more compelling place to shop. Providing customers with quality products at great values is key to fulfilling our mission. To maintain quality standards, we use a nationally recognized lab to independently test all our Family Dollar branded products at least once a year. We have tested the Family Dollar brand hand sanitizer within the last 12 months, and our test results met national brand standards. We are disappointed with the results of your test and are investigating why the product did not meet the expectation.

We thank you for bringing this issue to our attention, and would appreciate learning more about your testing methodology so that we can compare it to our current testing methods."
 
 
I have purchased Purell Sanitizer at either Sams Club or Costco in very large, reasonably priced bottles.
 
 
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Purell it is then - Its what my local hospital uses
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