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Mandatory Flu Shots...What if? - Event Date: May 07 2009 - June 07 2009

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Poll Question: Will you take the 3 Flu shots this fall if they are mandatory?
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    Posted: May 07 2009 at 6:19am

The Great Swine Flu Scare: Here We Go Again


Tuesday, May 5, 2009 3:09 PM

By: Russell L. Blaylock, MD
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I was in the military during the first swine flu scare in 1976.

At the time it became policy that all soldiers would be vaccinated for swine flu. As a medical officer I refused and almost faced a court martial, but the military didn’t want the bad publicity. Despite the assurance by all the experts in virology, including Dr. Sabin, the epidemic never materialized.

What did materialize were 500 cases of Gullian-Barre paralysis, including 25 deaths — not due to the swine flu itself, but as a direct result of the vaccine. At the time President Gerald Ford, on advice from the CDC, called for vaccination of the entire population of the United States.

Today, some 33 years later, we are hearing the same cries of alarm from a similar lineup of virology experts.

The pharmaceutical companies are busy designing a vaccine for the swine flu in hope that this administration will make the vaccine mandatory before another vaccine-related disaster can ruin their party.

And as before, a number of equally qualified experts are calling for calm, based on a number of carefully conducted studies. To no one’s surprise, they too are being ignored by the media and government planners.

According to science reports, this current strain of flu is H1N1. It can be forcibly inoculated into pigs, but it has been shown not to spread among the pig population. This means that the danger of a swine-based epidemic is small.

There are several strains of this flu virus however, including H1N1, H1N2, H3N1, H3N2 and H2N3. What the science has shown is that when the virus passes through the pig, it becomes less virulent — that is, it is less likely to cause serious disease in people. With each passage, it becomes even weaker.

Since this is not the answer that the pseudo-scientists wanted, they next announced that it is “possible” that the pigs could be infected with both the bird flu (strain H5N1) and the swine flu (strain H1N1), resulting in a mutant, highly virulent strain that could lead to a pandemic.

Note this is pure speculation and that no scientist has ever performed this trick. It is purely hypothetical — like global warming. CDC virologists claim that in the past they performed a similar virological trick, but they never published their results and thus have kept the data close to the vest.

In science, especially medical science, speculation is taboo. But, politicized scientists perform this bit of smoke and mirrors all the time.

So, you may ask, "What about all the people dying in Mexico?"

Overcrowding, poor nutrition and overall poor immunity, all of which are indigenous to Mexico, are a certain prescription for death from almost any infection. [Note that despite 46 cases of this very same flu in the United States there have been no deaths. This is because Americans, comparatively, have better nutrition and medical care.]

Like SARS and bird flu before it, this swine flu scare is a lot of nonsense.

Just take your high dose vitamin D3 (5000 IU a day), eat a healthy diet and take a few immune boosting supplements (such as beta-1, 3/1, 6 glucan) and you will not have to worry about this flu.

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The flu scare in the 70's was really scarry.  At that time I had a wife and 4 children.  I haven't a clue why I was skeptical of the vaccine.  My wife wanted to get the family the shots and I didn't.  I finally reasoned with her that if everyone else got the shot, our chances of getting the flu are nil.  So we decided not to get any shots for the family.
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I was living in Mexico at the time and NEVER HEARD A WORD about it down there  HMMM
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I had the swine flu shot in 1976.  It contained live flu virus & I got
really sick the very next day.
 
As I understand it they don't use live virus anymore, but why do so many people have blind faith that what they are injecting into us doesn't do more harm than good?
 
These articles are scary.  http://www.whale.to/vaccines/horowitz.html
 
 
If flu shots ever become mandatory, then LIE, LIE, LIE!  If you have to produce paperwork to prove that you ever had the flu shot then tell them you threw it away because you didn't know you were supposed to keep it.  LIE SOME MORE!
 
Then watch to see how other people do with the "mandatory" shot & decided at a later time if it is worth the risk.
 
 
 
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same doctor here---

 
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by 4=laro 4=laro wrote:

The flu scare in the 70's was really scarry.  At that time I had a wife and 4 children.  I haven't a clue why I was skeptical of the vaccine.  My wife wanted to get the family the shots and I didn't.  I finally reasoned with her that if everyone else got the shot, our chances of getting the flu are nil.  So we decided not to get any shots for the family.


Well good for you!!!  I think back then I believed in everything... I stood in line with my family and got the shot.  I won't again though.
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Typical FDA approval can take 16 months but our vaccine can be produced in 3-4 months?

The drug industry's main trade association claims that overall approval time has not changed substantially. In 2000, drug approval took approximately 15.6 months, an increase from 1999's 11.6 months.

http://www.ask.com/bar?q=how+long+for+fda+drug+approval&page=1&qsrc=0&ab=3&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.injuryissues.com%2Ffind%2Farticle-746.html

Then there is what the FDA refers to "Accelerated Approval"

Accelerated Approval

Traditional approval requires that clinical benefit be shown before approval can be granted. Accelerated approval is given to some new drugs for serious and life-threatening illnesses that lack satisfactory treatments. This allows an NDA to be approved before measures of effectiveness that would usually be required for approval are available.

http://www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2002/402_drug.html
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I heard about that Accelerated Approval, the other day. That sounds so scary!!
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Is that approval for ...the old grown in the egg version.... or the new Dog kidney, green monkey cells, or even the wild and crazy Cornell University's ....
 

        Do you want that vaccine With Or Without Caterpillar?
 
                            (I can have it ready in 10 minutes..)
 
 
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Using a strategy involving a genetically modified baculovirus and caterpillar cells scientists
 
from Protein Sciences Corporation have been able to speed up a key step in the
 
development of an experimental cell-based influenza vaccine. They report their findings
 
today at the 2005 American Society for Microbiology Biodefense Research Meeting.
 
"The bird flu may become the next flu pandemic strain. It could happen at any time," says
 
Keyang Wang, a scientist at Protein Sciences Corp. and a researcher on the study. "The
 
most effective method to control such an outbreak is the widespread use of a vaccine. The
 
traditional egg-based method requires 3 to 6 months to develop the vaccine. With our cell-
 
based method, the time from receipt of the virus strain to the final vaccine product would
 
be shortened to approximately 1 to 2 months."

article continued here-

Influenza vaccine uses insect cells to speed development

http://www.bio-medicine.org/biology-news/Influenza-vaccine-uses-insect-cells-to-speed-development-271-1/

 
 
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