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    Posted: September 13 2012 at 8:08am
Ebola Outbreak Out of Control - WHO
KINSHASA An outbreak of the deadly Ebola virus in the Democratic Republic of Congo risks spreading to major towns if not brought under control soon after the death toll doubled within a week, the World Health Organisation warned on Thursday.

The number of people killed by the contagious virus for which there is no known treatment has now risen to 31, including five health workers. Ebola causes massive bleeding and kills up to 90 percent of its victims.

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And we are worried about Bird Flu??? If this goes globle we are in HUGE TROUBLE!!!

Talk about social distance! I will not leave the house bring my kid home from College and lock down!
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Thats a bit of a strech   (Out Of Control)
 
 
Very dangerous Viirus Though, hopefully the teams on the ground will keep things localized!!!
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The problem with an incubation period of up to 21 days is that by the time they figure out that it's spreading, it's already spread.  They may be assuming that it's already spread to major cities. 
 
So if cases appear in the major cities, then it's probably safe to assume it's already hopped on a plane at that point.  Then it's just a matter of looking for symptoms, such as excessive bleeding followed by acute death. Confused
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hi

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"acute death "


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No worries Carbon.  I like to leave my office daily at 2pm for an appetizer and a beer. 
 
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It's a little bit odd that the first known infected was a health worker.  Probably why they're guessing it's already spread because it got such a huge jump on them.
 
 
Fadela Chaib, a spokeswoman for the Geneva-based World Health Organization, said the latest outbreak in Congo was unusual in that the first person known to be infected was a health worker, and officials suspect that the worker might have picked it up from a patient. Health authorities are trying to find that "index case"-- the primary case of infection in the general population -- and trace that person's ensuing contacts
 
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"The latest WHO figures show there are now 65 probable or suspected cases of Ebola in Congo, with 108 people under surveillance."
Source, http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/13/us-congo-democratic-ebola-idUSBRE88C0LS20120913
 
Symptoms of Ebola:
 
Are they kidding?:  "With respect to this event, WHO does not recommend that any travel or trade restrictions be applied to the DRC. "
 
 
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So I went to the site Elver posted and thought this information may come in handy if things get out of hand and Ebola goes VIRAL across the world.

Locking down in your home is the only thing you can do since no one will want bury the bodies!

How long do the bodies remain viral? Key question here guys anyone here in the medical field that can answer that?

Man this is WAY WORSE than Bird Flu!



Outcome Following Ebola Treatment

Death occurs in 50 to 90 percent of Ebola cases. Ebola research scientists do not understand why some patients are able to recover from Ebola hemorrhagic fever and others are not; however, it is known that Ebola victims usually have not developed a significant immune response to the Ebola virus at the time of death.


Because there is no Ebola vaccine that is currently licensed, Ebola prevention focuses on preventing direct contact with body fluid of those infected with the virus. Another aspect of Ebola prevention involves avoiding direct contact with the body of an Ebola victim who has died as a result of the virus.

If cases of Ebola do appear, current social and economic conditions often favor the spread of an epidemic within healthcare facilities; therefore, healthcare providers must be able to recognize a case of Ebola should one appear. They must also have the capability to perform Ebola diagnostic tests and be ready to employ practical Ebola isolation precautions or barrier nursing techniques. These techniques include:


•The use of infection-control measures, including complete sterilization of equipment
•The isolation of patients with Ebola hemorrhagic fever from contact with unprotected people
•The wearing of protective clothing, such as masks, gloves, gowns, and goggles.
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I found this in regard to HIV/AIDS. I am asking those of you in the medical field that knows if this would hold true for Ebola?

HIV can be transmitted by blood or body fluids of a dead HIV positive person. It survives well for about 48 hours and may even multiply for some time. If the body is refrigerated, people have been able to isolate the virus up to 16 days after death. It is therefore required that all those involved in autopsy must take standard precautions for all the cases irrespective of the status of the dead. This will protect them not only from HIV, but also from HBV and HCV.
Decontamination or embalming with formaline will offcourse kill the viruses and hence it is not a risk for anatomists.

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Has Ebola ever made it to a big city?
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I've attached page 4, but you can start on page 2 to see the Ebola history.  Who knows how large these towns are.  You can search for a map of the Congo or Uganda to find some of these towns.

http://ebola.emedtv.com/ebola/ebola-history-p4.html
 
I still don't understand why WHO doesn't think that there should be any travel and trade restrictions in the Congo.  I'm thinking this could get out of hand quite easily since the incubation period is up to 21 days.  People can infect other people without symptoms showing.  By definition, the incubation period is from infection to the onset of symptoms.  I can understand the exponential math behind this scenario.
 
It's OK, FEMA has plans to bury is all.
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Ebola is NOT a problem because it is swift.

Once people get sick thats it.

Flu on the other hand infects people and they carry on as per usual spreading the virus like fire hoses spraying a fire for three days before they even feel sick.

That's why Flu is the killer. Ebola stops once everyone stops.

The Spanish Flu spread around the world by Steam Ship because people carried it without symptoms.

Australia shut her ports and turned away all ships after they declared quarentine in 1918.

Then it all blew over and they open their ports again - the first ship to come in The Aberdeen from memory, carried the flu even though nobody on board was sick.

Australia lost 1% of her population because people with no sign of sickness carried the virus on steamships.

Ebola - Pffft - no problems at all.


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No more Ebola in Uganda...

New Vision-1 hour ago
Uganda will officially be declared Ebola-free on October 4. In a statement from the ministry of health issued on Friday, the director general of ...
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I am not sure I believe that one. The problem is the internet, people know almost instantly what is happening around the world. It is harder for governments to hide things they don't want people to know.

Governements think don't panic the people because they are stupid...but people are not stupid give them a chance to live. That is why we are here on this Fourm.
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In the following article, if it hits a major city, they are looking at a plague of biblical proportion.
 
 

Ebola outbreak in Congo -- Uncontrollable

An outbreak of Ebola hemorrhagic fever in the Democratic Republic of Congo has occurred over the last two weeks. The disease appears to be rapidly spreading. Indeed, Reuters quotes the World Health Organization as saying: "The epidemic is not under control. On the contrary the situation is very, very serious." Eugene Kabambi, a WHO spokesman in Congo's capital Kinshasa, also told Reuters. "If nothing is done now, the disease will reach other places, and even major towns will be threatened."

So far, deaths have doubled to 31 in just two weeks. That number includes five medical workers.

This outbreak follows the death of 16 people in Uganda north of Congo just last month. Those deaths have also been attributed to Ebola but the WHO says the two epidemics are unconnected. WHO also says that there are now 65 more probable cases in Congo, with 108 others under suspicion.

Kabambi said only one suspected case in Kinshasa, the capital, has appeared; and it has been proven to be negative. Kinshasa has a population of 9 million people, and no "health care" infrastructure to speak of. What few hard to find medical facilities and services are available are crumbling before one's eyes. Should Ebola strike there, we are looking then at a plague of biblical proportions.

Ebola is fatal in 50 to 90 percent of cases. Symptoms involve bleeding from most, if not all, body orifices before dying in the most severe and horrific pain. The virus (there are five different types) is transmitted to humans from monkeys and birds. The virus apparently dissolves internal organs, which bleed out through body orifices.

According to the Federal Drug Administration, there is no cure or treatment for Ebola beyond primarily supportive regimens including “minimizing invasive procedures, balancing fluids and electrolytes to counter dehydration, administration of anticoagulants early in infection to prevent or control disseminated intravascular coagulation, administration of procoagulants late in infection to control hemorrhaging, maintaining oxygen levels, pain management, and administration of antibiotics or antimycotics to treat secondary infections.”

The virus seems to have found a home in Uganda. Although it is considered “rare,” this hemorrhagic disease killed 37 people in western Uganda in 2007 and at least 170 in the north of the country in 2000. It first appeared in 1976 – in Uganda. It gets its name from a river where that first case was discovered.

$2 million have been allocated by WHO to treat victims and to force the virus back into the forest.

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hi all

Ebola is in this combination is not, as Kilt said a great risk, ie

Pandemic,but because its a VIRUS it can and will recombine with other

Viruses, its sole aim in life is to reproduce,just like everything

else living, it gets better with each new generation, this is what has

facinated me about them since high school,Ebola is a nasty Death really

hope that one never happens



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"Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) previously told the BBC that they believe the version of the Ebola virus infecting the DRC area is the Bundibugyo strain, which makes it completely unrelated to Ugandan outbreak that killed at least 16 people earlier this summer. The Bundibugyo strain is fatal in about 40 percent of cases, which is lower than some of the other strains, an article in the CDC publication Emerging Infectious Diseases stated."
 
The link above also is quoted as;
"The epidemic is not under control. On the contrary the situation is very, very serious," Eugene Kabambi, a WHO spokesman in DR Congo's capital Kinshasa, told Reuters."
 
So, how exactly is it that a WHO spokesman says this is very very serious & that it isn't under control, but WHO's 9/14 GAR says the following;
"With respect to this event, WHO does not recommend that any travel or trade restrictions be applied to the DRC. "
Here's the link, this quote is near the bottom.
 
So, how can WHO admit that this is very serious & not under control also go on to say that there is no need for travel & trade restrictions?  Somebody, please help me understand this.
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Lower deathrate, but more transmissible.  Lovely, a mild hemorrhagic fever.  With 68 probable cases, we'll soon find out.   It's already killed 5 healthcare workers out of the 31 dead.  Those guys need some protective wear for this mild kiling machine.
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Elver, no one is making sense because this is out of control and if this gets to Kinshasa that has a population of 9 million people, and no “health care” infrastructure to speak of...the world is in big trouble.

Now my almost 90 year old mother is hearing on Religious TV stations that a virus may come and kill many and that people should prepare. She says she could care less since she is 90 and ready to go but I am not ready.

I have tried to warn my sister who lives 900 miles away but she thinks I am crazy. She has no preps, oh well!

I am topping off my preps with things I know I have needed for a long time. I am going to get 3 cords of wood, oh my back is hurting already, but I just want to be sure I have enough this year.

It is not just this but it is also what is going on in the middle east. I am going to purchase some 5 gallon gas cans for here at home just in case. I have a small car and it gets as of today 33MPG, enough to get to water for me many times over.

I just want to "Do My Best".
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With 23 healthcare workers infected, this must be a very large outbreak, with significantly more cases then what's been reported.  Just an opinion.
 
 
 
An outbreak of Ebola fever in the Democratic Republic of Congo may have claimed up to 32 lives since May, says the World Health Organisation.

By September 15, "a cumulative total of 72 cases was recorded, including 14 cases that were confirmed positive after laboratory analysis, 32 probable cases and 26 suspected cases, while 32 deaths were registered", the WHO announced in Kinshasa.

A baby born prematurely "in the isolation centre in Isiro [the epicentre of the epidemic in north-east DRC] to a mother infected by the Ebola virus was still alive while his mother died on Saturday," the statement said.

In DRC, which has known eight outbreaks of the often fatal haemorrhagic fever, it was the first time an Ebola infected pregnant woman had a child, because "Ebola and pregnancy are almost incompatible", Health Minister Felix Kabange Numbi said.

To date, there is no treatment or vaccine for Ebola, which kills between 25% and 90% of patients depending on the strain of the virus. The disease is transmitted by direct contact with blood, faeces and sweat, by sexual contact, and by unprotected handling of contaminated corpses.

According to the WHO, 23 health workers were among the infected people. Five of them died, and 215 people who have been in contact with the sick are under surveillance. The most recent confirmed case of Ebola dates from Friday.

An epidemic was declared in mid-August in Orientale province, but the international committee for the fight against Ebola has carried out research and dated the outbreak back to May.

The ministry of health, the WHO, the Centres for Disease Control in Atlanta,  Georgia, and MĂ©decins Sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders) are working in close collaboration to combat the outbreak. – AFP


http://mg.co.za/article/2012-09-18-who-ebola-claims-up-to-32-lives-in-dr-congo



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hi

think they playing it down ,the last thing you need in an Outbreak is

millions of people "on the move" spreading it all over the world, we are

talking about "third world countries" here people will Stampede like

there is a wildfire behind them
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Any more on this?
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Well according to the latest news, it's spreading and has not been contained as of yet. 
 
 
 
CDC providing support as Ebola outbreak in Congo claims three dozen
 
 
Tue, 2012-10-02 08:35 AM

Haut-Uélé district

The U.S. Center for Disease Control and Prevention continues to provide laboratory resources and personnel to help battle a growing outbreak of Ebola hemorrhagic fever in the African nation of the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC).

The outbreak of the virulent virus may have killed up to 36 people, out of 81 suspected cases, according to new tallies released by the country's health ministry on Oct. 1.

CDC said its teams are on the ground in DRC to help the Ministry of Health with epidemiologic and diagnostic aspects of the investigation. The agency is also providing laboratory support through its field laboratory in Isiro, and through the CDC/UVRI lab in Uganda.

The outbreak is centered in the Isiro and Viadana health zones in Haut-Uélé district in Province Orientale, according to the World Health Organization. To date, 28 suspected cases have been reported and are being investigated.

The Haut-Uele cases follow an earlier outbreak of the disease in July in the in the Kibaale District of Uganda which borders the DRC to the west. In that incident, the CDC said there was a total of 24 human cases (both probable and confirmed), 17 of which were fatal. However, the CDC said the outbreak in DRC is not linked epidemiologically to the recently-ended outbreak in Kibaale district.

The new numbers from the DRC show the outbreak spreading. On Sept. 27, the WHO said it recorded 51 cases (19 laboratory confirmed, 32 probable) with Ebola hemorrhagic fever (EHF) there. Of those, it said, 20 had been fatal (7 confirmed, 13 probable).

The WHO said the DRC's Ministry of Health (MoH) continues to work with partners, under the National Task Force which includes: WHO; Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF); the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies (IFRC); US Agency for International Development (USAID); US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC); and the United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF) to identify all possible chains of transmission of the illness and ensure that appropriate measures are taken to interrupt transmission and stop the outbreak.

Response operations continue in coordination; Infection Prevention and Control (IPC); surveillance and epidemiology; case management; public information and social mobilization; psycho social support; anthropological analysis; and logistics.

The WHO said it is training health managers and heads of clinic services to strengthen surveillance; reaching out to schools through principals, teachers and students; providing psychosocial support to affected families, particularly in Isiro and surrounding areas, where the latest cases are being detected, and to health care workers; training social workers who provide support in the Ebola treatment rooms; and honing interpersonal communication skills training for front-line staff. Local community-based radio programs, it said, are also broadcasting information to address the concerns of the local populations.

WHO and the Global Outbreak Alert and Response Network (GOARN) have also deployed experts to support operational response. Technical support has been further strengthened with an infection prevention and control expert to assist in preventing disease transmission in health care and community settings.

 
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Thank you for the info Albert. Looks to me that this is NOT under control. If this gets worse we will need to really watch it.

Many will look to sites like this to know what to do. Let us all keep up and maybe put this on as a sticky since it is important.
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From what I have found on the web, the only confirmed cases outside Africa were lab accidents. So I will use cases outside the African continent as a big warning bell.
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British man dies of Congo Fever after returning from Afghanistan

A British man has died in a UK hospital of Crimean-Congo Hemorrhagic fever immediately after returning from Afghanistan, in the first reported case of the deadly virus in the country.

The BBC reports the man was diagnosed with the disease on Tuesday, after flying into Glasgow from Kabul, where he was transferred to the Royal Free Hospital in London, which specializes in treating patients suffering from hazardous infections. He died on Saturday morning.

The two passengers who sat next to him on his connecting flight from Dubai appear to be fine, although they are being monitored, BBC added.

A hospital spokesman told AFP that the fever "can be acquired from an infected patient only through direct contact with their blood or body fluids, therefore there is no risk to the general public."

 
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Oh boy....  The article says to avoid ticks.  And of course we don't know how the "British" man contacted it in the first place.  Uhg!  It seems we have just enough info to make me good and nervous!
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This is rare but it happens. The goats in the middle east have ticks. The ticks carry it.
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"Saudi Arabia has banned Muslims from the Democratic Republic of Congo and Uganda from making the pilgrimage to the holy city of Mecca this year because of cholera and Ebola epidemics in the region, a Congolese religious leader said Thursday."
 
The article goes on to say that Ebola has been brought under control.
 
 
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Ebola has never been shown to mutate very quickly, unlike flu which has a mutation rate believed to be 100 times faster. Ebola in one form or another has been in the human population since 1976 (and most likely earlier) and never shown the ability to spread fast enough to become a pandemic threat. It's a nasty, nasty disease, but without a major mutation it's unlikely to go global in a big way, partly because it currently requires direct exposure to bodily fluids to spread.
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BREAKING: New Ebola outbreak erupts near Uganda capital
Officials say three new deaths confirmed and several evacuations under way in central region only 62km from Kampala.

Uganda is struggling with the latest bout of deadly hemorrhagic fevers to strike the east African nation in recent months.

The virus struck in July in the west of the country, near the border with the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), where the disease first occurred in 1976. However, Uganda had declared itself free of Ebola a month ago.

On October 19, health officials also reported an outbreak of Marbug, a deadly viral disease known to be a cousin of Ebola, that killed three people.

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