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The family of a young Radford man who died this week of a sudden, mysterious illness is hoping the results of an autopsy will tell them what killed their son.

But it likely will be weeks before the results are known.

Dustin Hayth, an apparently healthy 19-year-old, died about 6 a.m. Tuesday at Carilion Roanoke Memorial Hospital of an unidentified respiratory disease he first complained about less than two days earlier.

"None of it makes any sense," said Missy Roberson of Franklin County, Hayth's mother.

Hayth, who grew up in Roanoke but was living in Radford with his girlfriend, Breigh Cupp, had spent the previous week with her and some other family at Myrtle Beach, S.C., returning Friday.

Over the weekend, he began to feel ill, with symptoms including a high fever and difficulty breathing, said his father, John Hayth of Roanoke.

Cupp took Dustin to an urgent care facility, and the doctor there was so alarmed by his low blood oxygen level that Dustin was sent by ambulance to the hospital in Radford, John Hayth said.

There, Dustin was in intensive care briefly before he was airlifted to Roanoke Memorial about 9 p.m. John Hayth said the prevailing theory was his son had pneumonia. At one point, his fever reached 106 degrees.

But, his father said, staff at the Roanoke hospital found the fluid on his lungs was blood.

Both parents said the Roanoke doctor was perplexed by the finding.

"He said it looked like somebody who had been in a fire and breathed in real hot air in his lungs," John Hayth said.

Dustin's family and girlfriend were able to see him only briefly before he died.

Both of his parents remain confused about how their athletic son could die so suddenly and so mysteriously. Dustin was a wrestler and baseball player at Patrick Henry High School before transferring to Franklin County High School and later Christiansburg High School, where he graduated last year.

Both parents, who are divorced, agreed to an autopsy of their son, which was performed at Roanoke Memorial. They're anxious for test results to tell them what happened.

"You've got to know," John Hayth said. "You can't just drop it the way it is."

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Pixie Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: June 05 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 19668	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pixie Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: mysterious death virginia Posted: April 24 2013 at 9:59am
	roanoke.com The family of a young Radford man who died this week of a sudden, mysterious illness is hoping the results of an autopsy will tell them what killed their son. But it likely will be weeks before the results are known. Dustin Hayth, an apparently healthy 19-year-old, died about 6 a.m. Tuesday at Carilion Roanoke Memorial Hospital of an unidentified respiratory disease he first complained about less than two days earlier. "None of it makes any sense," said Missy Roberson of Franklin County, Hayth's mother. Hayth, who grew up in Roanoke but was living in Radford with his girlfriend, Breigh Cupp, had spent the previous week with her and some other family at Myrtle Beach, S.C., returning Friday. Over the weekend, he began to feel ill, with symptoms including a high fever and difficulty breathing, said his father, John Hayth of Roanoke. Cupp took Dustin to an urgent care facility, and the doctor there was so alarmed by his low blood oxygen level that Dustin was sent by ambulance to the hospital in Radford, John Hayth said. There, Dustin was in intensive care briefly before he was airlifted to Roanoke Memorial about 9 p.m. John Hayth said the prevailing theory was his son had pneumonia. At one point, his fever reached 106 degrees. But, his father said, staff at the Roanoke hospital found the fluid on his lungs was blood. Both parents said the Roanoke doctor was perplexed by the finding. "He said it looked like somebody who had been in a fire and breathed in real hot air in his lungs," John Hayth said. Dustin's family and girlfriend were able to see him only briefly before he died. Both of his parents remain confused about how their athletic son could die so suddenly and so mysteriously. Dustin was a wrestler and baseball player at Patrick Henry High School before transferring to Franklin County High School and later Christiansburg High School, where he graduated last year. Both parents, who are divorced, agreed to an autopsy of their son, which was performed at Roanoke Memorial. They're anxious for test results to tell them what happened. "You've got to know," John Hayth said. "You can't just drop it the way it is." Wednesday, April 24, 2013 WEATHER JOURNAL Brief warmth surge on Wed. 16 hours ago 71°FairCHECK OUT THE RADAR/FUTURECAST

Albert Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Joined: April 24 2006 Status: Offline Points: 47746	Post Options Post Reply Quote Albert Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April 24 2013 at 10:15am
	Good find Pixie, thanks for the post. Good to see you.

Albert Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Joined: April 24 2006 Status: Offline Points: 47746	Post Options Post Reply Quote Albert Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April 24 2013 at 10:30am
	Severe pneumonia and blood in the lungs isn't good. Possible hemorrhaging is a bad sign/symptom. Although China doesn't release any info on the symptoms of those hospitalized in their ongoing efforts to suppress information, hemorrhaging was certainly a symptom of h5. This is why it's important to get more info from China on their cases who are currently hospitalized - so we know more what to look for, but this story is a little concerning at this point. The WHO also is not providing updates on conditions. Speculation is all we have to work with here, but since we're dealing with China, we better following things closely ourselves.

mustangsally2 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Adviser Group Joined: April 17 2013 Status: Offline Points: 225	Post Options Post Reply Quote mustangsally2 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: April 24 2013 at 3:28pm
	y Matt Chittum \| Wednesday, April 10, 2013 The family of a young Radford man who died this week of a sudden, mysterious illness is hoping the results of an autopsy will tell them what killed their son. But it likely will be weeks before the results are known. Dustin Hayth, an apparently healthy 19-year-old, died about 6 a.m. Tuesday at Carilion Roanoke Memorial Hospital of an unidentified respiratory disease he first complained about less than two days earlier. “None of it makes any sense,” said Missy Roberson of Franklin County, Hayth’s mother. Hayth, who grew up in Roanoke but was living in Radford with his girlfriend, Breigh Cupp, had spent the previous week with her and some other family at Myrtle Beach, S.C., returning Friday. Over the weekend, he began to feel ill, with symptoms including a high fever and difficulty breathing, said his father, John Hayth of Roanoke. Cupp took Dustin to an urgent care facility, and the doctor there was so alarmed by his low blood oxygen level that Dustin was sent by ambulance to the hospital in Radford, John Hayth said. There, Dustin was in intensive care briefly before he was airlifted to Roanoke Memorial about 9 p.m. John Hayth said the prevailing theory was his son had pneumonia. At one point, his fever reached 106 degrees. But, his father said, staff at the Roanoke hospital found the fluid on his lungs was blood. Both parents said the Roanoke doctor was perplexed by the finding. “He said it looked like somebody who had been in a fire and breathed in real hot air in his lungs,” John Hayth said. Dustin’s family and girlfriend were able to see him only briefly before he died. Both of his parents remain confused about how their athletic son could die so suddenly and so mysteriously. Dustin was a wrestler and baseball player at Patrick Henry High School before transferring to Franklin County High School and later Christiansburg High School, where he graduated last year. Both parents, who are divorced, agreed to an autopsy of their son, which was performed at Roanoke Memorial. They’re anxious for test results to tell them what happened. “You’ve got to know,” John Hayth said. “You can’t just drop it the way it is.”

Pixie Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: June 05 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 19668	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pixie Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June 04 2013 at 12:02pm
	Report: Pneumonia killed Radford man, 19 Dustin Hayth, who grew up and went to school in Roanoke, died in April after a brief, severe illness. < style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px;">< ="" value="Print" ="http://www.roanoke.com/csp/cms/sites/TRT/assets/s/socialIcons/icon_tools_print.png" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border-width: 0px;"> Dustin Hayth by MATT CHITTUM \| 981-3331 Monday, June 3, 2013 A young Radford man who died after a sudden, brief illness in early April was killed by pneumonia and a staph infection, according to an autopsy report obtained by his father. Dustin Hayth, 19, grew up in Roanoke and attended both Patrick Henry High School and Franklin County High School but was living in Radford with his girlfriend when he fell ill. After just a couple of days of high fever and difficulty breathing, he died at Carilion Roanoke Memorial Hospital. Doctors could not pinpoint the cause of death at the time, family members said. Hayth’s father, John Hayth, received the autopsy report Friday and said it lists the cause of death as pneumonia and staphylococcus aureus, a common bacterial infection. The report was prepared by Dominion Pathology Associates, Hayth said, not the state medical examiner. “I found it kind of hard to believe, but you get what you get,” John Hayth said. Dustin Hayth was an avid outdoorsman and a former high school baseball player and wrestler. Family and friends were stunned that an apparently healthy young man could be taken so quickly. A doctor told them his lungs looked like those of someone who had inhaled superheated air in a fire, they said. Given all the circumstances, they expected the culprit to be something rare or exotic. He and his girlfriend, Breigh Cupp, and some of her family had just returned from Myrtle Beach, S.C., where they spent time in a hot tub. Some of Cupp’s family suspected Legionnaire’s Disease. South Carolina Department of Health and Environmental Control officials worked with Virginia Department of Health officials on the matter, but a spokesman said in April that no apparent threat to public health was involved in Hayth’s death. John Hayth said that while he is not entirely satisfied, he recognizes the autopsy result is about all he’ll ever know. “It doesn’t change the outcome,” he said. “It just gives you a little peace of mind, I guess.”

jacksdad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Executive Admin Joined: September 08 2007 Location: San Diego Status: Offline Points: 47251	Post Options Post Reply Quote jacksdad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June 04 2013 at 12:37pm
	Cytokine storm? Victims of Spanish Flu were said to have lungs that looked like they'd been burned, and the victim's age tallies with what we know of cytokine storm related illness and death. The lung damage would be an indication that whatever the pathogen, it was respiratory in nature. This probably isn't something to panic about just yet without further clarification, as a whole range of diseases from influenza A and MERS to rabbit disease can cause pneumonia and a cytokine storm. Good find, Pixie. This may well be a false alarm, but turning up stories like this is what will sound the alarm when the authorities are keeping quiet "for our own good".
	"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary.

Pixie Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: June 05 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 19668	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pixie Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June 04 2013 at 1:10pm
	It was more of a final chapter for this post. We heard of no other cases in this area. Any strange case perks our ears. The father seemed not that satisfied.

jacksdad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Executive Admin Joined: September 08 2007 Location: San Diego Status: Offline Points: 47251	Post Options Post Reply Quote jacksdad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June 04 2013 at 1:45pm
	Still a good find, Pixie. As I said, I think it'll be the little news stories that nobody is paying attention to in the mainstream media that'll give us the best clues as to what's really going on
	"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary.

debbiencusa Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Adviser Group Joined: April 25 2013 Location: nc Status: Offline Points: 2100	Post Options Post Reply Quote debbiencusa Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June 04 2013 at 3:13pm
	If the pneumonia is Staph, which they said it was, could it be MRSA as I have heard, isn't MRSA a form of anti biotic resistant staph?
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jacksdad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Executive Admin Joined: September 08 2007 Location: San Diego Status: Offline Points: 47251	Post Options Post Reply Quote jacksdad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June 04 2013 at 4:26pm
	Yep - nasty bug and MRSA can cause a severe form of pneumonia called necrotizing pneumonia that causes severe lung damage and could well have been the cause of death here. Strep bacteria are more usually the cause of pneumonia, but staph can do it and MRSA especially can be problematic because of it's drug resistance. I work in healthcare and it's not uncommon these days - I ran into a case of MRSA yesterday. Vancomycin usually fixes it, but now there's a bacteria resistant to that called VRE (vancomycin resistance enterococcus) that has a mortality rate of over 60% if not treated immediately. Getting to be a dangerous world out there
	"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary.

Littleraven Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List V.I.P. Member Joined: May 10 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 438	Post Options Post Reply Quote Littleraven Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June 04 2013 at 5:35pm
	Yes Jacksdad, MRSA is definitely making its presence known down here in the South Eastern States. MRSA has been and is affecting many in various ways especially externally on the skin. Very hard to get rid of--my husband who is a chiropractor and naturopathic doc has been fighting several cases in his practice where patients have gone many times to the MDs but have not been able to get it under control long term. I recently re-developed a strong salve made from plant extracts and a way to take the stuff internally at the same time which has solved many of our early stage MRSA patient's problems--antibiotics don't work and only allows the patient to believe they are aggressively treating it while it gets worse and sometimes to the point where it is difficult to treat at all. If that stuff gets into your lungs though you would have a low survival rate with major damage to delicate lung tissues . In the skin I have seen it destroy tissue, go straight into the fevered speckled rash and continue to spread to the underlying tissues as well as to almost immediately go systemic--very dangerous. There is also a rise in fungal infections now too where they do not respond to regular treatments---We would be wise to integrate a knowledgeable use of very strong plant medicines and research into molecular cell signalling technologies. Our antibiotics and usual treatments are now failing. We have set ourselves up for this and will now pay dearly.
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jacksdad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Executive Admin Joined: September 08 2007 Location: San Diego Status: Offline Points: 47251	Post Options Post Reply Quote jacksdad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June 04 2013 at 7:00pm
	Littleraven, I hear you - my father in law caught valley fever a few years ago and it went systemic and ended up as a very serious case of fungal meningitis. Luckily it was picked up before it caused any lasting harm, but it took a lot to bring it under control. We have limited success with bacteria, even less with viruses and fungal infections are very tough to beat. While we're on the subject, google Manuka honey. It's from New Zealand (we should get KiwiMum to send us some ) and it's supposedly very effective against MRSA.
	"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary.

KiwiMum Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Chief Moderator Joined: May 29 2013 Status: Offline Points: 29680	Post Options Post Reply Quote KiwiMum Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June 04 2013 at 7:04pm
	Did I tell you I keep bees?
	Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts.

jacksdad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Executive Admin Joined: September 08 2007 Location: San Diego Status: Offline Points: 47251	Post Options Post Reply Quote jacksdad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June 04 2013 at 7:19pm
	You did
	"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary.

KiwiMum Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Chief Moderator Joined: May 29 2013 Status: Offline Points: 29680	Post Options Post Reply Quote KiwiMum Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June 04 2013 at 7:37pm
	I think you can use any honey if you can get it in a very pure form. Unfortunately almost all honey you buy is adulterated. Either the beekeeper has fed in too much sugar to his bees so they don't bother to go out and make honey they just convert the cane sugar to honey, or the beekeeper is collecting honey that was gathered while the varroa treatment strips were in and so have chemicals in the honey. I visited an organic honey processing plant here and I've never seen a more disgusting or dirty place in my life. It was foul. And this is premium $26 a jar stuff. Last year, 5 minutes into a 5 day holiday weekend I severely burnt the inside of my wrist (frying pancake rolls). The skin literally melted off my wrist and i could see my veins and flesh. My only option was driving an hour into the city or treating it at home, so I held it under cold water for 15 minutes and then covered it in raw honey from my own hives with a sterile bandage over the top. I changed it every 12 hours and then went to the doctors when they reopened 5 days later. The nurse who treated me was amazed at how healthy the wound looked and said that she was surprised it wasn't infected. (Bacteria can't grow in honey). I would have stayed with my own dressings but I found that every time I changed it the newly forming surface peeled off with the dressing. I have since learned from that nurse that if I had had parafin coated dressings, then they never adhere to the wound. Needless to say I now keeping plenty of those at home, just in case.
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jacksdad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Executive Admin Joined: September 08 2007 Location: San Diego Status: Offline Points: 47251	Post Options Post Reply Quote jacksdad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June 04 2013 at 8:02pm
	I've read that about pure honey and wound care before - from what you went through it sounds like it's very effective. And you're tougher than me apparently. It seems that the pollen the bees use for Manuka honey has something in it that stops staph bacteria reproducing. Maybe you should plant some Manuka trees and go into business
	"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary.

debbiencusa Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Adviser Group Joined: April 25 2013 Location: nc Status: Offline Points: 2100	Post Options Post Reply Quote debbiencusa Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June 05 2013 at 3:22pm
	in nc and many southern states pure home made honey is abundant, it is like medicinal food, it helps with local allergies also. My dad was allergic to wasps but had no problem with honey, not sure what someone who was very allergic to actual bees could have happen. My mother died ten years ago of c-difficile she lived in MN supposedly a deadlier more anti biotic resistant form came out of Canada. It has sense made its way around the country. She did not take anti biotic recently as was once thought to be the main cause. It was allowed to go on for weeks at home with her Dr.s nurses assuring her that she had nothing more then seasonal flu, which was rampant at the time. They instructed her to use anti diarrheal meds which was the worst advise, since it allowed the bacterium to breed even more so. By the time my sister refused to listen to the Dr.s office anymore and took her in insisting they see her, she had to be given two rounds of fluids by IV before they could rush her by ambulance to the hospital. I believe the medical office would have been embarrassed had she presented to the ER in such bad shape. The attending ER physician recommended emergency surgery to disembowel her. Everyone including all other MD thought the Dr. was over reacting and said so. That was not done. instead she went into the ICU was treated with both Vanco and flaygl by IV in the jugular vein since all other veins could not be used. Her systems were all shutting down. She was hospitalized for five weeks, she had toxic mega colon from day one. Never went away, it did subside for a brief period of time, only to return with a gusto. She finally died of cardiac arrest. We had put a DNR on due to the fact that she had lost kidney function and lung function bc the bug went systemic. It is out there still, rarely discussed.
	God Bless

debbiencusa Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Adviser Group Joined: April 25 2013 Location: nc Status: Offline Points: 2100	Post Options Post Reply Quote debbiencusa Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June 05 2013 at 3:23pm
	PS to get the pure honey you must travel to the mountains and buy it direct it Is not for sale at grocery stores.
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jacksdad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Executive Admin Joined: September 08 2007 Location: San Diego Status: Offline Points: 47251	Post Options Post Reply Quote jacksdad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June 05 2013 at 3:50pm
	Debbie, I'm so sorry you lost your Mom under the circumstances that you did. And you're right. C-diff is another worrying one[
	"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary.

KiwiMum Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Chief Moderator Joined: May 29 2013 Status: Offline Points: 29680	Post Options Post Reply Quote KiwiMum Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June 05 2013 at 4:42pm
	I have planted 50 manuka and 50 kanuka trees but they are only knee height so I'll have to wait awhile. I live right by the foothills of the Southern Alps and these hills are full of manuka forests. I'm not sure if my bees fly that far as I have 4 hives and we live on over 10 acres of wildflower pasture with newly planted orchards and woodlots. There is a lot of bee food here. We are surrounded on all sides by plain overgrazed grass and all the other properties near us are owned by ex-townies who have built a MacMansion and have 10 acres of lawns. No one with 2km of me keeps bees so my bees don't have any competition for food. The magical nature of honey re. bacteria is that when applied topically to something like a burn or a septic wound, the honey attaches to the bacteria sucks all the moisture from the bacteria causing it to dehydrate and die. The honey holds that moisture and prevents it from going back into the bacteria cell. That's why when you apply it to wound, after a short while the honey becomes even more runny and liquid. If you could find a local beekeeper who only keeps 3 or 4 hives, you could probably get great honey. Ideally they should: 1. only feed their bees their own honey during the winter, be very careful when using varroa strips ie. when the varroa strips are in my hives (twice a year for 8 weeks each time) I remove my honey boxes and put on the honey box for the bees winter food. They fill this up and then when the 8 weeks are up I remove that winter box, mark it accordingly, and then put our honey boxes back on. 2. Extract their honey from the combs without heating above warm room temperature. This ensures the honey is raw and so contains all the natural enzymes. 3. If they melt down any old frames that they don't mix any honey from that process (ie. it's been heated) in with the raw honey. i keep that heated honey and add it to the winter feed. If you could find someone like that then you would have great honey, the best possible. Perhaps contact your local beekeeping club and go along for a meeting or two and try and find someone like that. I make up a health drink of raw organic cider vinegar and my own honey in equal quantities. I mix thorough, a litre at a time and keep in the fridge. We drink this, a tablespoon to a glass of water. I also sometime have it hot in place of a cup of tea. I'm sure it's good for us. Did you know that honey has a memory? When you cream honey, you can make that honey take on the consistency of any other honey that you care to introduce to it. The honey will mimic the already creamed starter that you mix with it. You can stir this creamed honey until its liquid again and then it will remember it's previous state and return to it. No one knows how or why this happens. Certain honey like Thyme honey (which tastes very strong and quite unpleasant but is very antibacterial) can be in a solid state, then you can stir it and it becomes very runny and then when you stop stirring it becomes solid again without being creamed. It's remarkable stuff. Jacksdad, what makes you think I'm tougher than you?
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jacksdad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Executive Admin Joined: September 08 2007 Location: San Diego Status: Offline Points: 47251	Post Options Post Reply Quote jacksdad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June 05 2013 at 6:03pm
	The way you toughed it out with that burn. Very impressive
	"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary.

KiwiMum Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Chief Moderator Joined: May 29 2013 Status: Offline Points: 29680	Post Options Post Reply Quote KiwiMum Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June 05 2013 at 9:05pm
	I didn't tough it out really, I was just busy. It happened at tea time, my children were too tired to go to the city and sit for 4 hours in the ER on a Friday night, and we were just about to open a bottle of wine and watch a movie, so I took the easy route. Then when I saw the honey was working I just kept with it. I only went to the nurse to check that it was looking alright as I have no experience with burns and also because it was a domestic accident it qualified as ACC so the treatment was free. Honestly I saved a fortune on dressings!!! The only buggerance factor was the pain as it was the wrist I write with. Our nearest ER is an hours drive and unless you go at 3am on a Tuesday morning, you have a really long wait. You can bypass the queue by arriving in an ambulance but then you have to pay for that so it's swings and roundabouts! That said the air ambulance is free but they won't send it out for burnt wrists!!!!
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KiwiMum Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Chief Moderator Joined: May 29 2013 Status: Offline Points: 29680	Post Options Post Reply Quote KiwiMum Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June 05 2013 at 9:10pm
	Ever since I had children I've had a much higher pain threshold. I still can't stand splinters but can do childbirth. I had to have a crown fitted on a broken tooth last year and was in the chair for 3 hours. As I thought at the time: I could have given birth twice in that time and it would have been less scary and less painful, and given the choice, my preferred option! My last baby was 52 minutes from first twinge to job finished.
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Pixie Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admin Group Joined: June 05 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 19668	Post Options Post Reply Quote Pixie Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: June 06 2013 at 6:16am
	Dipped in this morning, saw new posts, thinking someone found something new on this young man , Honey,planting trees.childbirth....All very interesting , you should have started a new thread....

jacksdad Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Executive Admin Joined: September 08 2007 Location: San Diego Status: Offline Points: 47251	Post Options Post Reply Quote jacksdad Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June 06 2013 at 10:07am
	I was thinking the same thing, Pixie. There's a lot of useful stuff being posted that really deserve their own threads instead of being buried here. KiwiMum - maybe you could start a couple of new ones and share your experiences?
	"Buy it cheap. Stack it deep" "Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary.

Littleraven Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List V.I.P. Member Joined: May 10 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 438	Post Options Post Reply Quote Littleraven Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: June 06 2013 at 5:48pm
	Love the honey Idea--we used to eat it in everything. Also try monolauric acid from the coconut--does a number on certain bacteria and viruses as well as fungal infections. The stuff is also used as a food additive for prolonging the shelf life of chocolates and whatnot. Mars uses it in their candy bars. You can use it to treat viral infections like the influenza ...significantly reduces and fights the infection. We used it to get rid of the MRSA infections for my husband's patients. You can melt it in a double boiler along with carrier oils and use it as a great salve. It also improves the immune system's natural response to other infections--found that it works to fight the stomach flu as well. Tastes bad so don't chew it ---but works great. There are several companies that sell it as a medicinal--get the pure stuff ---mostly from the Philippines or similar areas as you don't want to take chances with some of the stuff that comes out of China. You can even give it to your pets in reduced amounts if need be. Side effects are minimal like slightly oily skin or hair or depending on the infection a possible slightly worse feeling as the Lauric acid kills off the infection. (Herxheimer reaction) Also doesn't interfere with meds you may be taking but always check first. I really don't know why more people don't keep this stuff in the medicine cabinet and preps at all times.
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