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    Posted: October 21 2013 at 3:22pm
No coughs or colds among 2,000,000 people gathered together; 1,300,000 having at some level, shared transportation into the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA)?
http://virologydownunder.blogspot.com.au/2013/10/mers-cov-cases-begin-to-tick-over-again.html
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No Indonesian haj pilgrims
infected with Coronavirus:
Minister   http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2013/10/21/no-indonesian-haj-pilgrims-infected-with-coronavirus-minister.html
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just wait ... Hope SO; but 12, or littel more, days ...
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Le KSA, ne donne plus d'information, en langue "arabe", depuis plus de TROIS semaines! Il est donc "difficile", voir IMPOSSIBLE d'estimer l'évolution du MERS CoV!
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I think it is important to post the rest of the article you referred to in your opening post.
 
MERS-CoV cases begin to tick over again after the Hajj....but not related right?
So by all accounts, Hajj2013 was a very successful event. A lot of lifelong wishes may have been fulfilled and the event went off without any apparent major hitch. A huge undertaking on many fronts.

However, during the Hajj it was hard to avoid seeing  Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS)-related headlines like...
No cases of MERS virus among pilgrims so far

 and my particular favourite...
No infectious disease found

...at all that is. None. Not even bad influenza-like illnesses. No coughs or colds among 2,000,000 people gathered together; 1,300,000 having at some level, shared transportation into the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA)?

 Seriously?

 That second quote makes me realise just how important it was for the KSA ministry of health to control this aspect of the Hajj's message; no MERS-CoV disease here. So important, that the message was, to say the least, a little heavy handed.

 But now, coinciding with the Hajj ending, we see MERS-CoV detections popping up (3 in 3-days). It's very hard to take seriously the MERS-message. Rest assured we're told, those cases are not at all linked to the Hajj - no travel to that region (now so specific that we are told there is no travel outside of Riaydh) in the previous 14-days. Ironic how that longer incubation period is useful in these happy reports, but not remembered in others, such as when the press note:
Saudi Hajj ends successfully with no reports of MERS virus

Click to enlarge. This graph is from September - highlights a similar case
reporting lull around umrah which then climbed rapidly and steadily
immediately afterwards.
The (longest) 14-day incubation period means we're not out of the woods yet (see my earlier post on timelines). 

 Maybe we'll see no new cases among any of the pilgrims. Cool. I doubt that. We have seen 7-day or more breaks in reporting of new MERS-cases before, so this past week is not "out of character". Time will tell, especially from now on for a week or so. Watch that curve closely.

 I still wish we could lay off the "everything is fine here right now" message, and instead tell us what's happening to find the host or what testing is being done among those who are not severely ill (take a look at China and H7N9 - include MERS-CoV in your regular respiratory virus testing panel for a little while and see what comes of it). That would be treating us a little less like we are so easily distracted by shiny baubles.
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Pakistani authorities take no steps for medical checks


http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2013%5C10%5C21%5Cstory_21-10-2013_pg13_7

LAHORE: After performing Haj, Pakistani Hajis have started coming back to the country. The national airlines’ first flight reached Lahore on Sunday morning. Relatives of returning Hajis received them at the airport with smiles and flowers.

Some of them also showed their concerns and fears over the issue of karuna virus (coronavirus), a serious kind of flu dispersed widely in Saudi Arabia that has taken more than 13 lives since September 2012 in the Kingdom, while some causalities have also been reported in other Arab countries as well as in the United Kingdom.

They were concerned about the lack of health facilities by the Pakistani authorities as no arrangement were made for the medical check-up of the returning pilgrims at Lahore’s Allama Iqbal International Airport to trace out the virus.

They were also shocked to see that upon their return, no one bothered about the virus, but when they were going to Saudi Arab in September, the Ministry of Religious Affairs had issued special warnings to pilgrims to be aware of the disease.

They also expressed fear that such a disease still existed and was emerging in some other Arab countries, like Qatar, Jordan and the United Arab Emirates, according to global reports, and the governments there were trying to control it. Returning pilgrims said that during the Haj gathering, many people in Saudi Arab were found coughing, and had caught flu and fever. They also said that many pilgrims were seen using masks all the time as a precautionary measure to avoid the virus.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote fib Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 21 2013 at 8:38pm
guess this is how we'll "have no MERS cases outside Saudi".  WHO has been VERY quiet about this all. Remember how loudly they pushed the H1N1 vaccines and raised level to 5 pandemic- while there were less cases than MERS>? hmmm.
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MERS could be the new Where's Wally... 

Missing MERSY? Mystery Mersy? 
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One way of not finding new MERS-cases is not testing for the corona-virus. New cases then would be seen as pneumonia or any other name. It is a problem when dealing with an outbreak becomes a matter of political prestige. Both H7N9 and MERS are not likely to "disappear" but can be "renamed" to hide them in a fog and claim "succes"!
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If it leaves KSA over the next week, the Saudi's don't even want to know how vocal we'll be.
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Not a peep out of media or WHO- isnt it odd how the number of cases DECREASE as each new one emerges? They keep saying it emerged in SA in summer 2012. NOT. it was proven to be human-to-human transmissable back in April 2012 already in Amman Jordan hosptital.
http://www.zawya.com/story/ZAWYA20131022051121/
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