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    Posted: September 24 2014 at 2:53pm
Noting 2909 death count for Ebola on our site I wanted to juxtapose that number against infectious diseases killing year after year in the USA. I don't know the rates for Europe but here is some numbers for hep c and staph. I am not saying I don't see the horror in Ebola or the need to find a cure for Ebola. But the death toll from these two below adds up year after year. Anyway...

8000 to 10000 deaths per year in USA to hep c.
http://www.rightdiagnosis.com/h/hepatitis_c/prognosis.htm

While reading I also noted that:

According to the CDC, an estimated 10,800 deaths in the U.S. each year are caused by staph; 5,500 of which are linked to MRSA.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/28/us/mrsa-fast-facts/

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Interesting,

I think It Is the nature of this disease that scares most people and governments, as well as the potential for devastation and disruption.

Approximately 500k people per year die from cancer in the U.S. but its not contagious.

Most people are not afraid to die slowly, evidence of life habits prove that, we do not need a study to confirm that.

What people fear the most, is rapid/quick death....what humans fear most is contagious rapid/ quick death.

Real life analogy: people will wait significant times in line to order a cheeseburger and fries which eventually will shorten their life, but if someone pulls out a gun in a crowded restaurant lobby people will run for there lives.

On a side note for fellow preppers..... I am tracking down "canned cheeseburgers" to add to my preps, you-tube has reviews on them.
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The top 10 causes of death
Major causes of death
Q: How many people die every year?

In 2012, an estimated 56 million people died worldwide.
Q: What kills more people: infectious diseases or noncommunicable diseases?

Noncommunicable diseases were responsible for 68% of all deaths globally in 2012, up from 60% in 2000. The 4 main NCDs are cardiovascular diseases, cancers, diabetes and chronic lung diseases. Communicable, maternal, neonatal and nutrition conditions collectively were responsible for 23% of global deaths, and injuries caused 9% of all deaths.
Q: Are cardiovascular diseases the number 1 cause of death throughout the world?

Yes, cardiovascular diseases killed 17.5 million people in 2012, that is 3 in every 10 deaths. Of these, 7.4 million people died of ischaemic heart disease and 6.7 million from stroke.
Q: Do most NCD deaths occur in high-income countries?

In terms of number of deaths, 28 million (about three quarters) of the 38 million of global NCD deaths in 2012 occurred in low- and middle-income countries.

In terms of proportion of deaths that are due to NCDs, high-income countries have the highest proportion – 87% of all deaths were caused by NCDs – followed by upper-middle income countries (81%). The proportions are lower in low-income countries (37%) and lower-middle income countries (57%).
Q: WHO often says that smoking is a top cause of death. Where does tobacco use affect these causes of death?

Tobacco use is a major cause of many of the world’s top killer diseases – including cardiovascular disease, chronic obstructive lung disease and lung cancer. In total, tobacco use is responsible for the death of about 1 in 10 adults worldwide. Smoking is often the hidden cause of the disease recorded as responsible for death.
Q: What are the main differences between rich and poor countries with respect to causes of death?

In high-income countries, 7 in every 10 deaths are among people aged 70 years and older. People predominantly die of chronic diseases: cardiovascular diseases, cancers, dementia, chronic obstructive lung disease or diabetes. Lower respiratory infections remain the only leading infectious cause of death. Only 1 in every 100 deaths is among children under 15 years.

In low-income countries, nearly 4 in every 10 deaths are among children under 15 years, and only 2 in every 10 deaths are among people aged 70 years and older. People predominantly die of infectious diseases: lower respiratory infections, HIV/AIDS, diarrhoeal diseases, malaria and tuberculosis collectively account for almost one third of all deaths in these countries. Complications of childbirth due to prematurity, and birth asphyxia and birth trauma are among the leading causes of death, claiming the lives of many newborns and infants.
Q: How has the situation changed in the past decade?

Ischaemic heart disease, stroke, lower respiratory infections and chronic obstructive lung disease have remained the top major killers during the past decade.

Noncommunicable diseases (NCDs) were responsible for 68% (38 million) of all deaths globally in 2012, up from 60% (31 million) in 2000. Cardiovascular diseases alone killed 2.6 million more people in 2012 than in the year 2000.

HIV deaths decreased slightly from 1.7 million (3.2%) deaths in 2000 to 1.5 million (2.7%) deaths in 2012. Diarrhoea is no longer among the 5 leading causes of death, but is still among the top 10, killing 1.5 million people in 2012.

Tuberculosis, while no longer among the 10 leading causes of death in 2012, was still among the 15 leading causes, killing over 900 000 people in 2012.

Maternal deaths have dropped from 427 000 in the year 2000 to 289 000 in 2013, but are still unacceptably high: nearly 800 women die due to complications of pregnancy and childbirth every day.

Injuries continue to kill 5 million people each year. Road traffic injuries claimed nearly 3500 lives each day in 2012 – more than 600 more than in the year 2000 – making it among the 10 leading causes in 2012.
Q: How many young children die each year, and why?

In 2012, 6.6 million children died before reaching their fifth birthday; almost all (99%) of these deaths occurred in low- and middle-income countries. The major killers of children aged less than 5 years were prematurity, pneumonia, birth asphyxia and birth trauma, and diarrhoeal diseases. Malaria was still a major killer in sub-Saharan Africa, causing about 15% of under 5 deaths in the region.

About 44% of deaths in children younger than 5 years in 2012 occurred within 28 days of birth – the neonatal period. The most important cause of death was prematurity, which was responsible for 35% of all deaths during this period
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Really good point. I haven't stopped recently to think like that.

Pheasent you are right at the moment without any cases known to be in our countries it is " the potential " that scares people. Also with a cancer diagnosis there is a structure for the treatment, a flowchart to follow,i.e. there is no worry about the fabric of society breaking down. No chance of military involvement, or threats to your whole family. There is an element of loss of control in all this. I know absolutely nothing about the psychology of behaviour, and I wont insult with my amateur summary, but I think anyone would be unnerved by the pictures coming out of the epicentres into our front room at the moment.



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Originally posted by drumfish drumfish wrote:

Noting 2909 death count for Ebola on our site I wanted to juxtapose that number against infectious diseases killing year after year in the USA. I don't know the rates for Europe but here is some numbers for hep c and staph. I am not saying I don't see the horror in Ebola or the need to find a cure for Ebola. But the death toll from these two below adds up year after year. Anyway...

8000 to 10000 deaths per year in USA to hep c.
http://www.rightdiagnosis.com/h/hepatitis_c/prognosis.htm

While reading I also noted that:

According to the CDC, an estimated 10,800 deaths in the U.S. each year are caused by staph; 5,500 of which are linked to MRSA.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/06/28/us/mrsa-fast-facts/



3000 Ebola deaths (which probably means more like 10,000) in 6 months out of a region-population of 20,000,000. US Hep C, 10,000 deaths in one full year out of 350,000,000. To me that means Ebola is already in just 6 months about 35 times more destructive than Hep C. And most Hep C people get to live 20, 30, 40, 50 years after exposure -and, in less than one week Hep C will be 100% curable. As long as you can dig in your change drawer for $81,000.00 (Bastards). I'm not arguing with you at all. Just adding input about the numbers as Hep C relates to Ebola. And that is right now. Most of us realize the Ebola numbers are going to go up into the millions in less time now than we've been discussing it. The only thing that could scare me more than Ebola right now is if they discovered an Earth Shattering Astroid heading straight for Burbank CA in 18 months from now.
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All good points. I am just talking about the number of deaths listed on our site counter and picked two contagious bugs at random. The numbers out of Africa range from 3000 to wwz. As pheasant said people are more frightened by Ebola. I am more frightened by Ebola. But it still may be contained and the big numbers for Ebola are subject to debate. Like I said in the post about where is outward spread. If it is as bad as some reports suggest it should be exploding out of west Africa. I am not saying its not but if it is we should be seeing insane stuff all over. I mean we have all seen these dire predictions, at some point in order for those to be close we should be seeing much more evidence. Let's face it there are those in media, health, business, govt etc that would have an interest in making it sound worse than what ever it is, actually is. There are others from the same types of groops who would have an interest in down playing any case or death. I am not saying its not wwz, but I am saying if it is it should really be showing as such any time soon. Honestly, I thought from the reports that by now we would have a much more dramatic body count. But here we are we will see.
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We may be waiting and seeing....but we are at least looking...just in case, which already puts us one step ahead of the field....a step I hope we never need.
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