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Russia: US Behind Bird Flu Outbreaks

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    Posted: March 14 2006 at 8:24am
Russian Communist leader sees U.S. behind bird flu outbreak

MOSCOW. March 14 (Interfax) - Russian Communist party leader Gennady
Zyuganov has blamed the United States for the spread of avian influenza,
or bird flu, in a number of European countries, including Russia.

"The forms of warfare are changing. It's strange that not a single duck has
yet died in America - they are all dying in Russia and European countries.
This makes one seriously wonder why," Zyuganov said at a press
conference at the Interfax main office on Tuesday.

Zyuganov said that he has good knowledge of war gases as he dealt with
them during his army service.

"I tested all kinds of war gases at a range myself," he said.

Asked to be more precise as to whether he believes the bird flu outbreak
could be a deliberate attack by the U.S., Zyuganov answered positively.

"I not only suggest this, I know very well how this can be arranged. There
is nothing strange here," he said.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2006 at 8:28am
This is wonderful opportunism. Typical of the Ruskie authorities. Let me do
some research on this bod and get back to you all.
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Here';s a quote of his for astart:

     '...You should understand that a clever propaganda worker and a
skilled politician will never talk in the same language with different
audiences...'
Gennady Zyuganov, 1995
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2006 at 8:34am
Here's some views of his:

'...advocated the following steps to achieve a "peaceful revolution":
changing economic policy "to stimulate production"; "restoring property
rights to labor collectives"; establishing legislative control over the
executive branch; and "restoring the independent international position
and true sovereignty of Russia," which Zyuganov says would involve
reviving a union of some former Soviet republics "on a voluntary basis."

Dont think I'll bother with anymore, this guy's an ass'ole.

Note: 'on a voluntary basis' in russia probably means sending in tanks.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ExaminedLife Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2006 at 8:52am
While he sounds like a kook on the surface, I have learned a hard lesson in life: Never refuse to give at least some attention to all claims, no matter how apparently bizarre they are at first glance.

I'm not suggesting what he is claiming has a single iota of merit, whatsoever, but I think the wisest amongst us keep our minds and ears open.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dugang Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2006 at 8:56am
That is true, but a picosecond is a billion times too long on that dribble.
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The WAR OF WORDS heats up. This is an actual Party Leader making these statements. This is worrysome not so much in our eyes but these people have some if not a lot of credability to populations in Russia.

Does anyone follow Russian polatics?

How high up the todum pole is this guy?

 

"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."   G Orwell
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Zyuganov is head of Russian Communist Party, and, as thus is spokesperson for Russian Communists.   These folks use truth or lies as fits their quest for power.  In the 60s Russian Communists stated the United States was behind the introduction of AIDS into Africa.  In 1918, they were a small splinter group, but called themselves "bolsheviks," while calling the predominant political party "mensheviks."  ("Bolshoi" is the Russian word for large; mensheviks implies the smaller group.)  Obviously, you go down a slippery slope if you give a Communist any credence.
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Gees, here goes the finger pointing. Why can we as a world get on board to  fight this virus. Or it will be the winner
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This is exactly the sort of BS that could make BF even more deadly.

If this virus gets serious about taking us out, we humans might just need to
work together with just about everything we have to wage the battle.

Zyuganov will be shut up soon anyway, as it seems that infection of birds in
the US is about certain.
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   And when would FACTS get in the way of a propagandist??  I'm sure US getting BF would be spun as "US incompetence" in its own biowarfare scheme, or something to that effect.

However, we shold be careful about claims, especially about MOTIVATIONS we make without good documentation for other countries' behavior.  For instance, I find it not in-credible that Chinese chicken factories might have been gving anti-virals to their flocks to contain BF spread, but I haven't seen enough to say they did it.  And even if they did, how different is that from US farmers giving antibiotics constantly in the feed of their animals to get a miniscule weight gain and make a little more profit, at the cost to EVERYONE of greatly increasing the antibiotic resistant bacteria present in our lives?  (Europe banned this practice,BTW).  But you could say "The USA feeds cheap generic antibiotics to its livestock to make those antibiotics ineffective because the patents have expired and 3rd world countries can make them inexpensively. The US wants to make them ineffective,  thus increasing the market for new, patented, expensive antibiotics from US pharmaceutical companies."  When the practice is really nothing more than businessmen, and the politicans to whom they "contribute" (i.e.bribe), looking at THIS QUARTER'S profits to the exclusion of all else. True here,, true in China, true in Russia.

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americans didnt star this one,this is bs.......

this guy is talking out of politics,but rumsfield is getting millions,in my point of view,americans are innocent,we need the solution,and no body want to listen........too bad

ignorance.
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I beleive that Marxism has some benefits if applied correctly. Use of word
Communist and Russia or USSR doesn't assist in understanding Marxism.
People tend to shut off because they were brought up to hate
Communism. Marxism isn't the same thing is it.


Chaos with Bird flu in the Caucuses is just what a leader like that would
love. Guess what there's chaos in the Caucuses with bf. Ripening nicely
for him/them to send in their troops to take back Ukraine, Georgia and all
the other splits from USSR.

On the other hand, West will be opportunist as well. Just wait to see
where the troops surface next during BF pandemic.
A very unstable world but one waiting for reshaping somehow.


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Oh no, here we go again!....US "caused" it.  Let me play devil's advocate...let's say this hypothesis is true.....wouldn't that mean the USA is shooting itself in the foot....for what benefit is there for the USA in this virus spreading and killing millions....and scientists know...including "russian scientists"...that there is a migratory path that birds follow.  It just so happens that they haven't arrived "yet".  And if this thing goes H2H, surely the virus would come here considering the millions of people that come to our country every year.  So, where is the logic in this accusation?......I recall how they blamed HIV on the USA too...I don't get it!!!...we help people all over the world yet were are evil, selfish people!...damnnnnn...I'm tired of it....I work hard and pay alotttttttt in taxes and some of my money is going to help foreign lands...it makes me red with anger when such idiocy comes out!
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The audience was local I guess. he is involved in upcoming elections in
Russia.
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Well that explains a lot of it.  Our leader here stated if he got he'd get rid of the Gun control laws.  Now he's changing his mind, it seems

Hubby says it so when TSHTF they know wher to go to take our protection away from us.

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Originally posted by Tansau Tansau wrote:

Russian Communist leader sees U.S. behind bird flu outbreak

MOSCOW. March 14 (Interfax) -

Russian Communist party leader Gennady Zyuganov has blamed the United States for the spread of avian influenza, or bird flu, in a number of European countries, including Russia.

With world leaders making statements such as this, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that the BF could start another world war!  Talk about an Apocalypse!

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He isnt a world leader though, he is in oposition. He stood against Putin in 2000 and lost, and didnt even stand against him in 2004. He has indicated that he will run in the 2008 presidential elections.
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US invented BF, the Holocost never happend and Israel has no right to exist.  Terrorists that hold up babies as human shields when being fired upon in Iraq.  These are the instructions and teachings of potential or current world leaders. 

I LOVE President Bush....sorry folks, I know some of you don't, but Thank God he's not a wacko and has made some critical decisions based upon things we'll never know, and should be thankful that we do not.  Ignorance is bliss. 

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Ignorance is Bliss seems to be the operational theory at the white house.

oops, I promised I wouldn't make snide political remarks! sorry nikita!
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HMMMMMM Somebody needs to ask him who has a better chance of survival Bf patient or living under Stalin
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 TRUST me on this one ...Russian people know better.  They go home at night and have a good laugh. Remember a while ago, a call to shoot all the birds at the border?  Not one shoot was fired, they were all laughing to hard to point a gun. Zyuganov is a joke...problem is he was standing down wind when he was testing gasses.
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Originally posted by elbows elbows wrote:

He isnt a world leader though, he is in oposition. He stood against Putin in 2000 and lost, and didnt even stand against him in 2004. He has indicated that he will run in the 2008 presidential elections.

Originally posted by Article Article wrote:

Russian Communist leader sees U.S. behind bird flu outbreak

MOSCOW. March 14 (Interfax) - Russian Communist party leader Gennady Zyuganov has blamed the United States for the spread of avian influenza, or bird flu, in a number of European countries, including Russia.

Thanks Elbow. But why is the article titled Russian Communist leader...? It  makes you wonder, doesn't it?   

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He is leader of a particular communist party in Russia. Nothing is simple
there. Depends if one follows Lenin's doctrine or someone elses.
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When (in a given country)people are unhappy or stressed they often want a new political voice and they want action. When looking at the possibilities what is going to happen in most countries if there is  a serious BF problem? Don't look at the situation now but look at  what would happen when BF becomes a world problem.

The russians are trying to blame us.

Radical Islam will certainly blame us. If they can't take a cartoon, what do you think is going to happen after they are burying their children because of BF. They will blame  the West  and then it is anyones guess what will happen but it will not be good.


A Bible verse that is just perfect...... for the situation.
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Sad to say - you're probably right.  Finger pointing will be replaced by barrel pointing - Accusations by actions - And in the ensuing darkness laced with copious amounts of BS - to the cities will eventually come the mushrooms.

                                               

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