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Reinfection rate growing in China.

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    Posted: March 04 2020 at 8:24pm

In the last 48 hours, five provinces have reported cases of recovered patients in isolation testing positive for the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus. Cases were first reported in Tianjin then followed by Guangdong, Sichuan, Hubei, Hunan and Zhejiang.
 
The first cases for the last 48 hours were initially reported in the Northern city of Tianjin that had no new cases for previous four consecutive days. First two “recovered patients’ who had been discharged from hospitals tested positive for the Covid-19 disease but then more gradually emerged.
 
Health officials also revealed that more recovered patients from the other five provinces also tested positive in the last 48 hours.
 
Earlier, on the 25th Of February, health authorities in Guangdong province had reported that about 14% of its recovered patients were showing reinfections after testing positive in mandatory follow up testings despite being in isolation. Since then the percentages have increased. The same was also observed in Hubei.

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Are they testing positive and have no symptoms or testing positive and have symptoms.  Do they have the virus in their sputum?  Are they contagious?

These are the important questions because if they are not contagious no problem but if they are big PROBLEM! 

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Question: Is this re-infection from a mutation or relapse of people who are not really cured? 

 

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There is no re-infection rate from Coronaviruses, once you recover, you have immunity.  

Weakened patients may be getting influenza, other viruses (picornaviruses, rhinoviruses, parainfluenza etc.) or experiencing secondary bacterial pneumonia.  

Don't believe all this garbage online.  ps. this is my latest credential.  (I always take my name off for confidentiality purposes).

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Originally posted by CRS, DrPH CRS, DrPH wrote:

There is no re-infection rate from Coronaviruses, once you recover, you have immunity.  

Weakened patients may be getting influenza, other viruses (picornaviruses, rhinoviruses, parainfluenza etc.) or experiencing secondary bacterial pneumonia.  

Don't believe all this garbage online.  ps. this is my latest credential.  (I always take my name off for confidentiality purposes).


Perhaps with the two strains, S and L, it's possible to recover from one and then get the other?

Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts.
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I don't understand how you can unequivocally dismiss the scientists.....    

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Yeah I'm with you here. Maybe people can reinfect and maybe they can't, but it clearly states that they are testing positive for Covid-19 and not the flu.

As with much of this situation, there is a fog of war that will only become clearer as time goes on.

Not sure what the certificate is meant to prove either.

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You can - if they are arguing among themselves.  They are.


Having said that, always err on the side of caution = prepare for the worst.

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Possibly  because  this virus have HUB genes  that 

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Originally posted by CRS, DrPH CRS, DrPH wrote:

There is no re-infection rate from Coronaviruses, once you recover, you have immunity.  

Weakened patients may be getting influenza, other viruses (picornaviruses, rhinoviruses, parainfluenza etc.) or experiencing secondary bacterial pneumonia.  

Don't believe all this garbage online.  ps. this is my latest credential.  (I always take my name off for confidentiality purposes).

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Originally posted by KiwiMum KiwiMum wrote:

Originally posted by CRS, DrPH CRS, DrPH wrote:

There is no re-infection rate from Coronaviruses, once you recover, you have immunity.  

Weakened patients may be getting influenza, other viruses (picornaviruses, rhinoviruses, parainfluenza etc.) or experiencing secondary bacterial pneumonia.  

Don't believe all this garbage online.  ps. this is my latest credential.  (I always take my name off for confidentiality purposes).


Perhaps with the two strains, S and L, it's possible to recover from one and then get the other?

Yes if it's a different strain, just like getting a different strain of the flu or a cold.

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I am not a scientist, but do know some basics of antibody production during viral infection from my college courses. From what I  have read and understand, each of the two strains produce similar, but different, antibodies in the human host. It seems as though it would stand to reason that a person with antibodies to only the S strain could become infected with the L strain, as the antibodies would not fully recognize the new viral invader.  We may perceive that as “reinfection” with Coronavirus, when it is actually infection with the other strain.  However, the viruses and symptoms are indeed so incredibly similar that for us hosts it is, for all intents and purposes, reinfection — just not on the viral level.  

Patients have tested positive for both strains at once; they would likely not experience reinfection, as they would produce antibodies to both of the viruses.

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Originally posted by BeachMama BeachMama wrote:

Patients have tested positive for both strains at once; they would likely not experience reinfection, as they would produce antibodies to both of the viruses.
Assuming they survive................

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Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

Originally posted by BeachMama BeachMama wrote:

Patients have tested positive for both strains at once; they would likely not experience reinfection, as they would produce antibodies to both of the viruses.
Assuming they survive................

And then there is always the next strain of COVid 19 as well. This virus is not done mutating, it will never be done.

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Beach Mama It depends where the mutation is.  If it's in an epitope (bit the antibody binds to ) then yes immunity to one would not confer immunity to the other.  

If it's not in an epitope region then yes you can get cross immunity.  For example immunisation with cow pox confers immunity to small pox etc.

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Originally posted by CRS, DrPH CRS, DrPH wrote:

There is no re-infection rate from Coronaviruses, once you recover, you have immunity.  

Weakened patients may be getting influenza, other viruses (picornaviruses, rhinoviruses, parainfluenza etc.) or experiencing secondary bacterial pneumonia.  

Don't believe all this garbage online.  ps. this is my latest credential.  (I always take my name off for confidentiality purposes).

Coronavirus: ‘recovered’ patient dies as China reports discharged cases falling ill again

A 36-year-old man has died in Wuhan from respiratory failure days after being discharged from hospital
Latest data from the mainland shows most new infections continue to occur at epidemic’s epicentre

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Gigi Choy and Teddy Ng

Published: 9:23am, 5 Mar, 2020

Updated: 6:45pm, 5 Mar, 2020

A 36-year-old man has died of respiratory failure in Wuhan, five days after being discharged from one of the makeshift hospitals built to contain the outbreak, according to a report by Shanghai-based news portal The Paper.

The report, which was later removed, said Li Liang had been admitted to the hospital – built to treat patients with mild and moderate symptoms – on February 12, according to his wife, surnamed Mei. He was discharged two weeks later with instructions to stay in a quarantine hotel for 14 days.

Mei said her husband was not feeling well two days after leaving the hospital, with dry mouth and gaseous stomach. On March 2, Li said he felt sick and was sent to a hospital, where he was certified dead that afternoon.

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https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/...D=ref_fark

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Originally posted by AI AI wrote:

And then there is always the next strain of COVid 19 as well. This virus is not done mutating, it will never be done.

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That is something I have definitely been thinking about — as we talk of strains, CFRs, and vaccines. But I was trying to remain optimistic!

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Originally posted by Hazelpad Hazelpad wrote:

Beach Mama It depends where the mutation is.  If it's in an epitope (bit the antibody binds to ) then yes immunity to one would not confer immunity to the other.  

If it's not in an epitope region then yes you can get cross immunity.  For example immunisation with cow pox confers immunity to small pox etc.

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Thank you SO much for that! My understanding of this complex issue is based on classes I took many years ago. I’m sure I have forgotten more than I remember! Thank you for the detailed explanation of what would and would not confer immunity.   

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Originally posted by BeachMama BeachMama wrote:

Originally posted by AI AI wrote:

And then there is always the next strain of COVid 19 as well. This virus is not done mutating, it will never be done.

That is something I have definitely been thinking about — as we talk of strains, CFRs, and vaccines. But I was trying to remain optimistic!

[/QUOTE]Well I am not just talking about this virus. All viruses mutate, this one just seems to be really really fast at it. This is a very tricky sly virus.

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