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    Posted: March 11 2020 at 11:49am

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House has ordered federal health officials to treat top-level coronavirus meetings as classified, an unusual step that has restricted information and hampered the U.S. government’s response to the contagion, according to four Trump administration officials" "HHS oversees a broad range of health agencies, including the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which among other things is responsible for tracking cases and providing guidance nationally on the outbreaks."


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-secrecy-exclusive/exclusive-white-house-told-federal-health-agency-to-classify-coronavirus-deliberations-sources-idUSKBN20Y2LM?fbclid=IwAR09-YAXV6npIHaBPnJE2_1Vju9BHqfU83fqoexglujtsEQuZgJtPlonIk0

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Sounds like something China or Russia would do.

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WTAF?  <checks to see what country I live in> 

WTGDF?  <self censoring further comments> 

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Does anyone mind if I move this to 'politics'?

Then I can have a BLOODY RANT!

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Not a surprise to me. The projections must be grim. It's nauseating how deceptive the WH is being, trying to focus on the markets instead of life-saving health measures.

Trump's message to the nation tonight I bet will be: "It could be difficult, but we're strong, things will be ok.We're delivering a fiscal stimulus to every American. Free money for you! Oh, and buy stawks!"

Money will have little value if you are DEAD or you lose loved ones. 

Want to imagine what the classified briefings might contain? See my exponential thread. Run out the numbers. 4-6 million or more Americans dead on the higher side, hundreds of thousands on the lower side if we don't as a nation SIP, ALL of us, within two weeks, in my opinion.

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This is a WAR, can't blame the WH for doing this.  You can't be sending 10 different messages or things that should not be out in public during this time.  Sorry if Obama had done this it would have been just fine. Sorry but if I were President I would have done the same thing. 

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I really don't know what you would expect any leader to say. I think anyone with an ounce of brain matter is slowly figuring it out. Slow the panic just as you would slow the spread.  Keep everything functioning as long as possible. Luckily those exponential charts are not reality as the numbers from SK and China are showing. 

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Well I think we'll have more insight tonight.  Evidently Trump is addressing the nation tonight at 9pm.  

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Originally posted by ksc ksc wrote:

II think anyone with an ounce of brain matter is slowly figuring it out. 



Not according to some of the social media posts I've seen today.  

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I have friends at work that think everything is just fine.  Just a bad cold!   YCFS!

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Originally posted by FluMom FluMom wrote:

This is a WAR, can't blame the WH for doing this.  You can't be sending 10 different messages or things that should not be out in public during this time.  Sorry if Obama had done this it would have been just fine. Sorry but if I were President I would have done the same thing. 

Agreed. And to be sure this viral outbreak has national security implications so of course some things are going to be classified. And they surely don't want the public to panic or to promote panic, that is more dangerous than the virus. 

Fact of the matter is if people have been paying attention on this forum and the news then they know what is going to happen or at least should have a very good idea of the potential possibilities of this event and should be ready with or without all the information being spoon fed to them. As it stands now state and local governments are the second line of defense, implementing quarantines and travel restrictions. You are your own first line of defense, social distancing, preparedness, SIP.  The federal government is a distant third line of defense. Act accordingly and remember this too will pass, just batten down the hatches and buckle up in the mean time.

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Yes we do, but we are a small group in the face of a big world.  Every prat out there who drinks the koolaid and believes this is just a dose of the flu, spreads the virus.  They spread it to other idiots, they spread it to their relatives, They spread it to the old and the vulnerable, they spread it to many other people including those who can spread it to us.

Panic cuts down the available toilet paper, as I know to my cost, but not knowing the facts cuts down the people.

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I have to agree with the consensus. From this action the only logical inference is it is going to be very bad. Hence, can't fault them.


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Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

Yes we do, but we are a small group in the face of a big world.  Every prat out there who drinks the koolaid and believes this is just a dose of the flu, spreads the virus.  They spread it to other idiots, they spread it to their relatives, They spread it to the old and the vulnerable, they spread it to many other people including those who can spread it to us.

Panic cuts down the available toilet paper, as I know to my cost, but not knowing the facts cuts down the people.

Panic on a national scale would do a hell of a lot more than cut down on the available toilet paper and the cost and would be far more dangerous than the virus. They are going to throttle and present the information so as to try to prevent that, it's not as if there is a total news blackout. And no matter the information presented a large part of the population will still be normalcy biased and a portion will still panic. Let's face it you can't make everyone happy during a pandemic.

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I don't feel a sense of panic in my area, but I do feel that now some who were not taking it seriously are now.  Not all, mind you. The "just the flu" folks are still out there complaining about the rest of us.
But I actually see some folks getting their butts in gear in regard to canceling trips and buying supplies...I saw it on facebook in the mom's group today..the same ones who ridiculed a mom a few weeks ago for prepping...are now trying to find where in our town can they buy Clorox or Lysol wipes...which is nowhere at the moment and as soon as Amazon gets them, they are gone...I find it a bit ironic.

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Starts from the Top down, Chump and his cohorts were to keen on calling it a PLOT by the democracts,

And not reacting as we all did  on AFT the moment we heard "NOVEL "

Our AUSTRALIAN Government called it weeks ago, so please stop making excuses ,

"THE BUCK STOPS ON CHUMPS DESK."

he was to SLOW to act 

Wake up, there's loyalty ,and there sheer bloodymindless ness,

Call it for what it is....

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Why do you think Australia has a higher infection rate based on the population density? The death rate is also a tad higher. I don't think anyone cares, but who runs that deserted island, Crocodile Dundee? I know there's loyalty, but sticking your boomerang in your mouth isn't impressive...

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Originally posted by ksc ksc wrote:

Why do you think Australia has a higher infection rate based on the population density? The death rate is also a tad higher. I don't think anyone cares, but who runs that deserted island, Crocodile Dundee? I know there's loyalty, but sticking your boomerang in your mouth isn't impressive...

Another IGNORANT AMERICA.....

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Speaking as one who is neither American nor Australian and therefore without bias, because they have more tests.  So they are not classifying some deaths as 'viral pneumonia' rather than the coronavirus that actually caused the death and they are catching more cases.

You can't spot cases unless you look for them KSC.

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The recent catastrophic wildfires in Australia was supported by 1,000s of USA firefighters, as well as hundreds  of pieces of equipment and technology.  All of this was approved by President Trump to assist and help the citizens of Australia.  Every politician does things we may not like or disagree with, but there is no reason to be rude and disrespectfull of another country's elected official.  You personally may not like the President of the United States but stop calling him names and maybe send him a thank you note for helping your country's in its time of need.

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Don't hold your breath waiting on that one.......

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True, 'Chump' is rude

So was 'Crocodile Dundee', only that insult was less deserved.

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Well I will say it for you, Carbon.

Thank you to all those brave American firefighters who helped Australia in her hour of need.

Those with heel-spurs who were unable to risk their lives as well.  Perhaps not so much, especially if their climate policies help to make it worse.

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One of the problems of classifying the meetings is that many of the top doctors don't have the security clearance (they haven't needed in the past to give medical information).  

This means an automatic limit of the caliber of the information and discussions.   An automatic DUMBING DOWN of the results.  

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