UK Inactivity

Agree.

Hours of discussions in their Cobra meeting and they come up with dont go on cruises and if your sick stay at home for 7 days, dont phone your doctor,  then your safe to go back to work on day 7...oh and we arent doing countless tests anymore, no contact tracing, we will only use them to monitor purpose only.

In Scotland they also decided to ban gatherings over 500...never mind the fact that my kids daily go into school with over 1000 pupils.

They have jumped on   the one study that says you may not be infectious after 7 days of symptoms.  

To top it off Trump banning flights from Europe except UK is nightmare for us as every person flying to America will now have to pass through a UK airport.

Gutted by governments response and feel even more unsafe.

1. Hz

I wasnt impressed with the 7 days after symptoms appear you can go to work again.  I think this is flawed.  No other country is taking this approach for numerous reasons.  Didnt the superspreader cyclist that started the chain of events in Lombardy initially present to hospital on day 12 of his illness and infect 8 other patients and 2 doctors.  Everyone us different immunologically and 7 days is not enough especially when the consequences can be dire. 

My work colleague is from Lombardy and she days people are getting well after about a week then relapse.  A huge risk to take telling people to return after 7 days on the back of one study.

Hz x

Purereasson, that is what makes the world so rich and interesting i guess. 

I just think the narrative given to the UK public previously was/is so down played, it is hard to row back from in one go, i wonder if there will be movement on Monday or Tuesday.  They should IMHO stopped sports events and mass gatherings.

It would be interesting to know which science we are following v a lot of other countries?!

I have very mixed feelings.  Some things our government is doing seem brilliant, others moronic.  The problem could be simply that the scientists dissagree.  Who do you believe?

I have concluded, I'm on my own - well - me and my family - help from the government may be intended, but will not be available.

I honestly believe our government is doing its best, putting people first and listening to the science.  (Did anyone else notice how terrified Boris was?  He controlled himself after a minute or two but at the start of his speech he was a panting rabbit-in-the-headlights.)  On the whole they have told us the truth.  But many actual policies seem shortsighted at best, outright DUMB at worst.  

Everything not utterly vital should be shut - not now - last week!   4 weeks till we match Italy?   My arse!   Two!

SIP now if you can.  

For myself:

Oxygen concentrators on order now.  I was not going to bother, but changed my mind a couple of days ago.  I will try to get antivirals when some consensus is reached on effectiveness.  Protease inhibitors seem to work, but that is a class, not a specific drug.  I am expecting to have to SIP for a year!  A YEAR!  That is a long time to see no one.  

Post is sprayed with disinfectant and left for hours.  I wash and disinfect myself after opening the door or mailbox. (I stand in front of Hubby whom sprays my clothes with dettol) - That is in addition to using alcohol gel on my hands.  I am no clean freak usually - I'm something of a sloven - but all the door handles are cleaned with avti-viral wipes after coming in with a parcel.  This is DRAMATICALLY out of character.  Even the recently-evicted spiders think I've gone mad (whole dynasties have lost their ancestral lands.).  I disinfect the taps, alcohol-bottle squidgers and dettol bottle button.  My mask and goggles hang on the door!

Now you all know how paranoid I really am, How is the youngest, Hazel?

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/uk-abandons-effort-to-contain-virus-as-10000-may-be-infected/ar-BB116qc2?ocid=spartanntp

Another take on this... I think not closing schools is a huge error myself.  And I don't have kids to be dragging it home to me/grandma etc so not a 'biased' point of view (in that regard anyway).  

Of course it isnt to stop people being infected.  It's about flattening and shifting the curve so the NHS can cope ( the same amount of people get infected but spread over a longer period). Or buying time for treatment options.  The study trials are due to end in 6 weeks time,  Chloroquinine is showing promise (I thought Boris played a blinder halting all exports of this out of UK a few weeks back), as are a few pancreatic drugs.  At the moment though we are in exponential growth and the measures by our government are pretty lame. They are doing even less that Italy did when they were at this stage and we have nowhere near the bed capacity Italy have/had.  

We dont have enough ventilators.  China has sent 1000 extra to Lombardy but we arent going to have a fairy godmother like that.  

China said that the young people start to show up about 3 weeks into the peak as they have struggled at home for a few weeks until they cant breath, old people succmber first and usually fill the hospitals and ICU beds up earlier on.  They are saying now its half and half, it's not the old persons disease they expected, this is why they are having to make difficult decisions. Decisions that China made.

There is also the ethical issue of sending people back onto public transport while they may still be infectious.

Hz 

When it comes to government pols and scientists, one is an educated liar and the other an educated guesser. 

Take that for what its worth. 

Jacksdad's signature at the bottom of his posts says it all.....

I took note of that Years ago..... 

Very wise.....

Did anyone notice our PM science advisors said in the press conference the mortality rate was 1%.

Where did that come from.  WHO said it was 2% and then 3.7% and Italy are at 5.6%.

Are the UK just making that figure up

 I have never heard 1% fatality.

Hz x

They clearly explained their reasoning for the 1% figure they came up with.

Would be worth re watching the whole conference and take note when they explain why they come out with the information they offer

Fair enough, but nothing to let go really.

You were questioning things and I was just trying to offer some answers for you

Don't often say this but on this occasion I feel the UK government are being quite transparent and sharing the information they believe to be true.

Hi Technophobe,

Sorry just saw a few posts back you asked after my wee one.

So Day 3: Better today, temp down.  Oxygen levels stayed good.  Still sore throat.  Neutrophils are low when tested last week so was expecting a longer illness but is fine so far.  Keeping everything crossed.  He was very scared  he is only 10.

Today my daughters BF who has cystic fibrosis had been advised to leave school. She told her friends she was never going to make it through this. I personally am hopeful for CF patients, got acidic and salty mucus and coronavirus doesn't like this.  2 kids who are doing great on chemo have also left.  

My DH was around chemo wards today and they are all very down. Some of them so young but no immune systems.

Human costs.

Hz x