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    Posted: May 05 2020 at 4:38am

The Guardian: Five Eyes network contradicts theory Covid-19 leaked from lab.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/04/five-eyes-network-contradicts-theory-covid-19-leaked-from-lab

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This is the same five eyes that started Russiagate.. The Steele Dossier etc etc.. They hate Trump.


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Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.🖖

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You people on here need to get an education.....

5 eyes is a government  security agreement ,

NOT  FAKE NEWS....

DUMB AND DUMBER.......

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Yeah, I'm pretty educated and have watched enough peak prosperity to know this virus is most definitely man made.  

More and more biologists are coming forward and speaking truth.  Those saying it's natural are most likely the ones who worked on it.  

Judy Mitkovits interviews fill in any holes left in the theory.

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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

You people on here need to get an education.....

5 eyes is a government  security agreement ,

NOT  FAKE NEWS....

DUMB AND DUMBER.......

LOL yeah governments never lie, that's been proven over and over LOL

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 WHAT IF IT IS,

How will you Prove That

ANYONE  ,who has been watching viruses, knows that we have been waiting for a pandemic,to happen, to try and appropriate blame is pointless, 

All this is, is a distraction ,from Americas Failure to protect it's people,

Australia has less than 100 deaths,

We reacted long before any WHO recommendations,

Chump didn't "FAKE NEWS THEY SAID"

well reap what you sow,

Open you stores, football fields,

BUT DONT FORGET  TO BUY SHARES IN YOUR FUNERAL HOME'S..........

NATURAL SELECTION IN ACTION.......

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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

 WHAT IF IT IS,

How will you Prove That

ANYONE  ,who has been watching viruses, knows that we have been waiting for a pandemic,to happen, to try and appropriate blame is pointless, 

All this is, is a distraction ,from Americas Failure to protect it's people,

Australia has less than 100 deaths,

We reacted long before any WHO recommendations,

Chump didn't "FAKE NEWS THEY SAID"

well reap what you sow,

Open you stores, football fields,

BUT DONT FORGET  TO BUY SHARES IN YOUR FUNERAL HOME'S..........

NATURAL SELECTION IN ACTION.......

Interesting oxymoron statement you have going there, you state appropriating blame is pointless and then in the next sentence that is exactly what you do. Have you ever considered taking an effective writing class?

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Attack the person, childish,.....what do I expect from a moron.....

Another Chumpisim

Wake up fool, 

Just get your "body bags ready"


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Well just a bit confused on your message, if you'r going to tell us how to run our country, at least you could do so in a clear and coherent manner. You'd get better results I bet.

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Carbon please you are not an American so please keep a civil mouth when you speak of our President.

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Flu... it seems that because Carbon is not an American you are holding him to a higher moral standard than you do your own President.   Could you please ask your President to keep a "civil mouth" when he speaks --- he is quite willing to put down people from other countries in a very nasty way.

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I follow Peak Prosperity for a few months and Chris Martenson's story on Covid19 sounds quite convincing. The Newsweek story he is discussing may indicate the Wuhan bio-lab was used for a US financed (and ordered ?) gain-of-function research project on bat corona-virusses that went wrong. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZUJhKUbd0k[/url]

Another possible explanation on Covid-19 could be "recombination" [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crossover_(genetic_algorithm)[/url] two RNA-strings (one of them with much corona-virus parts) becoming a new (mostly) corona-virus Covid19. 

Point is that those that do have the knowledge to explain the origens of this virus are most often also the ones that were involved in all kinds of dangerous-sometimes secret (bio-weapons are illegal [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_warfare[/url]) research. 

It may be hard to find experts that are impartial. 

[url]https://recombinomics.co/topic/7480-increased-virulence-in-sars-cov2-italian-lineage/?tab=comments#comment-20945[/url]

Dr. Henry L. Niman was very active in this kind of research [url]http://www.recombinomics.com/founder.html[/url]

Recent history on search of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical warfare in Syria give little hope an impartial study is possible.

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Originally posted by EdwinSm, EdwinSm, wrote:

Flu... it seems that because Carbon is not an American you are holding him to a higher moral standard than you do your own President.   Could you please ask your President to keep a "civil mouth" when he speaks --- he is quite willing to put down people from other countries in a very nasty way.

Exactly!  If you can't take it, don't give it.  

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His lips or pen are moving.
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Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

Exactly!  If you can't take it, don't give it.  

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You're misinterpreting things, Technophobe.  This isn't about "can't take it, don't give it.".  Clearly people can give as good as they get.  This is about tribal loyalties and people's unwillingness to be convinced that a crate of apples, is a crate of oranges.  And their frustration at having conversation disrupted by certain tribes who have a vested interest in controlling conversation.  But, we all have our loyalties that make us miss these things.  Don't we, Technophobe?

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Well, I must have.  I just dont get that at all.  

If Trump can insult other countries, then people from other countries should be able to say what they wish about him.  I know that upsets the pro-Trump faction, but legitimately so.  No other politician is ever exempt from criticism, red or blue.

Trump has done loads of things I personally dissapprove of and many I approve of too.  My biggest bugbear with him is his determination to control the entire narrative.  Those who wish to do shady things, first turn off the lights!

As far as this site goes, for  as long as we do not descend into profanity, personal insults (politicians are exempt from this as they choose the public life and all that entails - especially if they themselves are insulting) and blasphemy, I think we should be free to say what we will.  The different viewpoints enrich us - if expressed politely.


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Originally posted by WitchMisspelled WitchMisspelled wrote:

Originally posted by Technophobe Technophobe wrote:

Exactly!  If you can't take it, don't give it.  


You're misinterpreting things, Technophobe.  This isn't about "can't take it, don't give it.".  Clearly people can give as good as they get.  This is about tribal loyalties and people's unwillingness to be convinced that a crate of apples, is a crate of oranges.  And their frustration at having conversation disrupted by certain tribes who have a vested interest in controlling conversation.  But, we all have our loyalties that make us miss these things.  Don't we, Technophobe?

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Lol, talk about interrupting.  

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And there it is.  Still missing it Technophobe?

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Nope!  Got that one.

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The sadest thing is that, Chump supporters,

Don't see that Chump has made America The laughing Stock of the World,

When The the Orange Faced Clown,

Shows some kind of any kind of Respect too anyone maybe I might do the same.

In my world one earns RESPECT, 

ITS NOT A RIGHT OF OFFICE.

Back to the subject ,the 5 eyes security agreement,means we all got the same information about Wuflu,

America probably 1st,

So why did, New Zealand,Australia act in the way they have ,and have avoided the mass deaths we've seen in the UK and American.

It will all come out in the wash......

In the meantime what's 1000,000 /200,000 DEATHS

All because a Fool called it FAKE NEWS,

let's all hope he takes all the remedies he has advised people to take, best start with a mouthful of Bleach to wash His FOULMOUTH OUT WITH, 

Then swallow a couple of pints.....

Just to "CLEAN FROM THE INSIDE"....

what a TWAT.... 


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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

So why did, New Zealand,Australia act in the way they have ,and have avoided the mass deaths we've seen in the UK and American

So far the UK has had around 32000 deaths which are attributed to CV19.  Quite how many of these died 'WITH' CV19 rather than 'OF' CV19 is less clear. Given than many died in care homes again quite how many of these would have died anyway in the next week, month etc is even less clear.

But nevertheless taking the 32,000 as the correct CV19 death toll for the UK to date and for comparison:

In the winter flu period of 2017 there were 50,000 excess deaths in the UK attributed to flu/cold weather, the highest since 1975. No one gave a monkeys - nothing got shut down etc there was no press outrage about all these elderly falling by the wayside.

Evey year in the UK 48,000 die of Sepsis, and around 165,000 die from Cancer. The annual all causes death toll in the UK is 600,000.

So describing 32,000 as a mass death event is very far from the reality albeit that unlike a flu season it is compressed into 4 weeks rather than 6 months.


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cn65,  I can understand your argument,  but you have fallen into a logical error of equating current CV19 deaths with yearly totals for other events. The number of deaths with CV19 will continue to rise, so using figures from the beginning of an outbreak does not give a full picture.

I don't have the graphs on hand (they were on the BBC Live News and that changes each day), but the last graphs they posted showed that excess deaths were about the same as the regular number of deaths (ie twice as many people are currently dying than normally would).  Worse is that only about half of the excess deaths had been associated with the SARS-CoV2 virus.   This is not "The End of the World", but it is still very serious.  

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Originally posted by EdwinSm, EdwinSm, wrote:

cn65,  I can understand your argument,  but you have fallen into a logical error of equating current CV19 deaths with yearly totals for other events. The number of deaths with CV19 will continue to rise, so using figures from the beginning of an outbreak does not give a full picture.

You also picked a particularily bad flu year cn65.  Last flu season there were orders of magnitude less deaths.


AND NO ONE QUARRANTINED THOSE FLU PATIENTS.  Without the lockdowns, the covid19 deaths would be massively higher.

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