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    Posted: January 07 2006 at 2:36pm
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do not fall for the tricks.
1. The online sold Tamiflu is obscenely overpriced by 4-8 times. 190 $ for ten tablets? MAD. It costs between 35 - 55 $ if you buy it regularly
2. Go to a doctor and convince him / her either you get it or go to the next doctor and buy it at a normal pharmacy (NO IT IS NOT FORBIDDEN TO PRESCRIBE IT!!! Nowhere, not in the US not in Canada and not in Europe NO ONE CAN FORBID THAT - they can only stop delivery, which they did)
3. They found fake Tamiflu. The website Albert (one of the alarmists here) suggests seems to offer Generic Tamiflu which cannot be because there is none. So you most likely get fake Tamiflu good luck for your survival, low risk business isnīt it? No one there to complan if anything goes wrong, dead costumers dont s ue you)
4. the one canadian website I visited weeks ago offered Tamilfu prescription free FROM GERMANY, o well thats not possible either too bad that I had to talk to Roche on that day and informed them of that issue. Hopefully they can stop illigal drug sales with fake drugs for obscene prices
5. the website Albert suggests cannot be identified (ma - Moldavia could not be identified by whois, so who is behind that business? Too bad for a company you trust your money and worse , your life

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20051223 /health_canada_online_purchasing_Tamiflu_051223/20051223?hub =TopStories


Health Canada warns of online Tamiflu fraud
Updated Mon. Dec. 26 2005 12:00 AM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

Canadians are being warned by Health Canada to be careful buying Tamiflu online and to avoid anything called "generic Tamiflu" because generic versions of the anti-viral drug don't exist.

Tamiflu is known as the best weapon in the fight against avian or bird flu.

Health Canada put out the warning Friday after reports from the United Kingdom that many websites -- including two Canadian ones -- have been selling illegal Tamiflu to people in the United Kingdom.

Health Canada said other reports also indicate the U.S. Customs Border Patrol stopped more than 50 shipments of counterfeit Tamiflu at their border. The health agency and the RCMP are investigating these reports.

"There's no indication of counterfeit (Tamiflu) in Canada at this time," Jirina Vlk, media spokesperson for Health Canada, said.

"We're warning Canadians that it could be here."

Health Canada is telling Canadians to buy Tamiflu with a prescription from a doctor they know, at a pharmacy where they have a previous relationship.

People concerned about any Tamiflu they've bought should bring the drug to a pharmacy, their doctor or the drug manufacturer, Swiss firm Roche AG.

This latest concern about Tamiflu comes the day after a New England Journal of Medicine report suggested the drug may not be a failsafe defence against the avian flu.

The authors of the report say they have found evidence the H5N1 virus can mutate into a form unaffected by Tamiflu -- rendering the world's ever-growing stockpiles of the drug ineffective if the mutated strain were to spread.

While drugs such as Tamiflu don't cure bird flu, experts hope they will help reduce its severity if taken early enough.

Bird flu has not yet appeared in North America and there is no proof that it can spread from person to person. But officials worry that if the virus mutates, it could become as contagious as the annual flu, but much more deadly.

Since 2004, the H5N1 virus has killed at least 71 people in Asia. According to figures updated by the World Health Organization on Dec. 16, there have been at least 139 human cases, including 95 this year alone.


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That website I gave does not deal with generic Tamiflu.  There is actually no such thing as "generic" tamiflu.  That would be ones first clue not to buy it lol.  Again, there is no such thing available.  

However, the website I gave is for some high-priced Tamiflu that is good through 2009.  It could be a small price to pay however.... 

I'm shocked you can still even buy it is my point.   That website I gave  is the best one out there because I bought from almost every single one of them over the last 6 months, which is how I know this lol.   

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I know I appear to be an alarmist.  However, I didn't believe in y2k, I don't fear nucleur wars whatsoever.  I live in Southern California and I've never given an earthquake a second thought, let alone preparing for one lol.  I also don't believe in ghosts.  I have never bought ANY extra supplies ever in my entire life up until 6 months ago.  I'm not an alarmist by nature.  I just think that the facts themselves regarding this potential plague are alarming by itself, and I just exploit the facts is all.  



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The text supposes that they sell Generic Tamilfu or why would they explain that?
Their information about storage is wrong, they dont give me their adress phone number what a bore - completely not trustworthy!!

Since you can not judge what you bought you should not lead other people to the same trap. Its hilarious expensive and might well be fake. There is no need for that. Plenty of time to go to doctors until you find the one that prescribes it.
I am sorry for you. Do you earn provisions? Do you own this website and try to sell it soon with all the other websites of the subject? Is that the reason for your over alarm posts (you see it coming every week thats getting funny as well).
May be not but there will be some names here that are that one and only person, just there for a quick fix on personal assets with little in ecxchange.
Doenīt matter too much for me.

By the way, below is the company that offers Tamiflu prescription free from a German Pharmacy.
Thats not plausible because there is no prescription free Tamiflu that can be sold from a German Pharmacy. That would be illegal.
So what are you getting?
10 Tablets Tamiflu cost 35 Euros - in a legal Pharmacy. That makes a profit of about 140 Dollars, for fake Tamiflu it will be even more.
As I said I informed the Company when I asked them about the current policy in Germany anyway so hopefully they took action already or will take action at some point.

http://www.drugdelivery.ca/s4632-s-TAMIFLU.aspx

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Albert, you state:
"I'm not an alarmist by nature. I just think that the facts themselves regarding this potential plague are alarming by itself, and I just exploit the facts is all. "

I do not know you but I have read posts from you and they tell me that you are not only alarmingly going overboard, you also mix facts with many personal completely off panic-interpretation that is often lacking basic logic. Your gut feeling tells you every week that we are DOOMed , somehow, we are not and we will not in the next few month.
If you really want to help people stop screaming wolve! You will not identifiy the first signs because everthing is a sign for you.

I trust my own gut feeling and more I trust my professional background and that tells me:
it can become serious, pretty serous so better bet prepared. But prepared is not what most of the posters here are, they are ill informed and do not think it through.
Thatīs pretty sad.
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O well, I bought Tamiflu month ago and more between x-mas and new year, just regular at the pharmacy for 35 Euro, 10 Tabletts and it is good until 2010, I have got the priviledge not to need any prescriptions for anything - it was possible to buy it the whole time with some exception in between because it was not deliverd (company policy).
"Good until" 2010 is normal and a normal price for costumers is between 35 and 55 Dollars US - if you could get the pile the government orders it would be half the price or less (but not pills).
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I hope you're right about it not being "plausible", but you obviously don't know. If they sell good Tamiflu, and if you convince people not to buy it because you really don't know (other than what you saw on the 11:00pm news one night) then you shouldn't advise people not to buy it.  If the Tamiflu is good, which it is, and you convince people not to buy it, then "if" the pandemic actually begins, you might be responsible for robbing those people of their only chance - because you scared them away from buying it.  Tamiflu may represent the best chance, unless you have a better idea of course.   By the way, it is almost nearly impossible to get, unless you pay higher prices like with this site.   Tamiflu is rare these days, or didn't hear?          
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I beg your pardon, Albert, my information is not from TV. You have to accept that I am a medical doctor, that I called Roche, that I talked to different pharmacists in different countries and read the warnings from reputable sources.
Tamilfu is not hard to get. As I wrote above it is available in most countries in most pharmascies
you only need a prescription which every medical doctor is allowed to give you (or other patients) he just might choose not to. Which I find acceptable also because it can be life saving or most likely not (most people will just be too stupid and waste it anyway by using it wrong, using too little too short and for the wrong cause) for the individual but life threatening for epidemiological reasons, it should only be in rather educated hands so for heaven sake if you got it get as smart as you can about using it right.

Tamilfu is not scarce. I can buy it every day if I want to at a normal pharmacy. And when the flu season really starts it will be very easy for "normal" patients to get a prescription. Or try to have a medical doctor as a friend (sorry, I will not volunteer).


GET A PRESCRIPTION AND DO NOT RISK YOUR LIFE AND WASTE YOUR MONEY.
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Guys, I think the best policy is to go through the local pharmacy.  Here in San Diego, we can go across the border and get a Mexican doctor to write a prescription, But there is no way of knowing if you are getting the real product on the other side of the border.  I'm in a health plan that covers all but ten dollars of the price of the medicine. Doctors will not issue a prescription for a drug that is not indicated by an illness.  So, under my health plan, I have to get sick, prove it to my doctor before 48 hours have elapsed and immediately get a prescription filled.  Something tells me this procedure is seriously flawed.

Oh well, I've got the best remedy against this strain of Bird Flu. I'm 58 and weigh over 200 pounds.  I'm not cytocene storm material.

Come on, Mild flu!  You've got to win this race with Sichuan Sheet.
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It's impossible for the normal public to get a prescription.  No dcotors will write one, just like you wont. You know this.   And when the pandemic begins, even if it's free, there is a huge shortage so it really won't be available.   I would never advise someone to buy from a prescription free website.  In this case, there is no other chance of getting it.  The doctors won't write prescriptions so it's impossible to get it.  You have no idea how hard I've tried to get a prescription. lol.

By the way, I have absolutely no affiliation to that pharmacy site whatsoever.

 

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Concerned I have seen post after post about doctors refusing due to government issued guidelines and/or believing the news accounts of experts being quoted 'it won't do any good'.

My own father, who's health is so compromised that if he were to get the regular flu it might just kill him (no exaggeration), asked his doctor (curse his bones) for a scrip of Tamiflu my father was told, and I quote "No, it won't do any good anyway".

My father is too stubborn to doctor shop, not to mention too frugal, so other than telling people to just go doctor to doctor do you have any other suggestions for us on a way to approach our reluctant physicians.

BTW: My own gave a scrip for 20 caps each to both myself & hubby after I quoted the NJM to him.  He is a wonder doc and we have a long relationship with him and I wouldn't be exaggerating in saying that he is a saint of a man, and NOT because he gave a scrip for Tamiflu, but because he genuinely cares about his patients well being.  He has even called our home in the evening hours to discuss test results that came back with bad news...He wanted to tell us himself, but didn't want us to have to wait for Monday or longer for an office appointment.

There are good, caring docs out there!  But it's a little unfair for us to walk in off the street, a stranger, and ask them to write a scrip to cover something that we have no current medical need for.

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I can relate to what your post implies. Thera are wonderful caring doctors, smart ones, and there are stupid ones and greedy ones and os on, just humans in every colour.

The idea for the doctor is either: I am deciding and I am deciding for my patient and let aside all epidemiological reasons why it is not advisable to prescribe it. If you asked me, I would tend to prescribe it but not to every one, only if I fell/understand that they are sensible and smart enough to use it correctly and only if really needed (which is not the norm!).

Other doctors might feel more obliged to population wellfare and that means do not prescribe it.

My TIP: doctor shopping.
Second best: fake flu symptoms. Sorry for that but thats the only way, just pretend you got the flu (learn the symptoms, really LOL)
Third, but you know that Relenza doesn t store that long but could be helpful as well or pretty similar or better (my opinion, personal opinion, because it has not been really tested)
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I LIKE the idea of faking flu and begging Tamiflu!!!  From what I glean from acquaintances there are many docs who will be more than happy to write a scrip to cover perceived illness/need just to get the patient on their way.

Listen up out there....practice your acting skills!!  As an adjunct, maybe you can embellish with  a story of having been on an airplane next to an ill passenger.

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Ooops forgot:
Third tip:
Do not fake flu symptoms if there isnīt any flu in your area or region. That was part of the problem in the last month, there was not any regular flu but ten times the Tamiflu sales than in the yearly "flu time"
So watch the flu incidence and go for your fake flu performance early (not to mix too much with the real ones in the doctors office) when the flu starts (the regular flu and that is the only one which is definitly coming, the other is still a worry and not a fact.

"post after post about doctors refusing due to government issued guidelines"

thats posts, not truth. I have not researched US guidlines but I know German and European guidelines and in the medical field there are some similarities and no guidlines about Tamiflu (yet). One basic principle despite everything (money, insurance, government): THE DOCTOR DECIDES.
The others can only comment.
But it might well be that doctors say that because it stops a discussion that they do not want. Or would you want to argue with a patient? Wasted time and bad emotions so its easier to just say "regulation". It is also very ikely that quite a few people (in this forum as well) are connected to these pharmacies or having their own little business (selling masks, selling forums - as here, selling books or drugs) and just helping the demand with alarming posts and scarcity...

They tried it in Germany the doctors refused. I could write prescriptions as many as I want and wether it is for an illnes or prophylxis or storage to have at hand does not matter, I decide. It was only a few weeks when Roche stopped delivery because of the demand withour flu there you needed a prescription which stated: actual flu sicknes . or alike just prooving that it was not for storage. thats past, I happend to call at the exact date when Roche lifted that, so I told the Pharmacist; no no you just order and I pick it up, rules have changed... LOL

Anyway, go doctor shopping and fake your symptoms, that serves a double purpose: you learn by doing how flu really is and you get a real drug for a reasonable price. You need a lot, the more the better, I would personally aim for at least 100 pills per person, do you want to go bancrupt or have an illigal fake drug for an obscene price? No way.

As I said it is not scarce (at the moment!!!) you get it everywhere.
and yeas I would prescribe it to anyone that I consider smart enough so that they benefit from it and it isnīt wasted and resistance increased (theoretically) - that is also becaus I do not believe in government organisation and distribution, help thyself...

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NOOOOOO
Do not do that with the airplane and the passenger - you might end up in quarantine!!!!!!!!!! locked in for days. mo no thats going to far

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Hi, i'm new.  Do you think it would be a wise move to wait until next week and see the results of the flu cases in Turkey.  If no one dies, then Tamiflu works, if they continue to die, my guess is Tamiflu is as good as a sugar pill.
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Hi mountain!

Re Tamiflu...it ain't that simple!  Please go to the upper right corner and do a search for Tamiflu.  You will find some posts about timing and dosage and length of dosage.

IF the parameters for dosing are not followed (new best guess parameters that is) Tamiflu is very INEFFECTIVE, but with early intervention, a longer course of treatment, and higher dosage some experts think that Tamiflu will be effective.

There should also be a post explaining that combining Tamiflu with Amantadine may hold promise that the two alone don't have (This is for the NON-VIETNAMESE strain)

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