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Ravendawn 
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 Topic: Cows fed processed feathersPosted: March 28 2006 at 4:15pm |
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Hi all, just a reminder of what we feed our animals and we wonder why scientists have a hard job understanding new threats to the human race. www.consumerReports.org .Click on Food ,then on Animal feed and the supply.
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Posted: March 28 2006 at 4:25pm |
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yes the fish get feed the cow bones and the chickens get fed the fish bones and the cows get fed the chicken bones...well all the nice left overs...would not wan tall of that to go to waste...money money money |
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Posted: March 28 2006 at 4:32pm |
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Posted: March 28 2006 at 4:34pm |
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Got a dog 2 years ago so i did a lot of research on line about dog food. I wanted a healty pup and one that would live for a long time. After the research i feed my dog what i eat. I stay away from processed foods for both of us.
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Posted: March 28 2006 at 4:36pm |
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Just a thought for all of those (myself included) who are organic gardeners out there, check the ingredient label on the all natural organic fertilizer that you are using.
Almost all of them contain ground chicken feathers, bovine bone meal, blood meal, chicken manure, etc. It looks like it may be safer for some of us to go back to chemicals. |
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Posted: March 28 2006 at 4:45pm |
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I did it. I confess. I took my custom to the supermarket and bankrupted my butcher. Then I put pressure on the supermarket. They must have put pressure on the farmer. I didn't mean any harm. I never thought that it would come to this. I did it, me, the consumer.
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Ravendawn
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Posted: March 28 2006 at 4:45pm |
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Hi Muskrat,yes you are dead right ,its funny when the BSE raised its head in the UK i did not hear of any animal food suppler being brought before the courts,and to feed bird feathers to cows? BSE has a rouge protein called (prion) and this apparently can be used by a virus to mutate,this information is old so don't take this as being the latest "please", i have had some trouble finding out information on (prions) if anyone can enlighten me on this matter it would be appreciated.
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Posted: March 28 2006 at 5:07pm |
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well actually certain kinds off fish can be fed stuff like raw beef and lamb. They eat other fish too.
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Posted: March 28 2006 at 5:37pm |
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As far as I know it is illegal in the us to feed cows or anyother
ruminants feed containing animal products in the US- they used to put
it in goat feed also, but like I said, not any more.
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Posted: March 28 2006 at 7:30pm |
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I think it's law in most countries, now that they realize what happens.
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Posted: March 28 2006 at 7:48pm |
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RavenDawn:
Prions are rogue proteins that are "misfolded" and cause other, normal proteins to "misfold" as well. You cannot sterilize them away (as you can bacteria and viruses). Surgical instruments were still "infective" after being autoclaved.
These rogue proteins and the others that they cause to misfold, multiply in the brain causing holes in healthy brain tissue. Think of them as a catalyst in a chemical reaction. Once it gets started, it's hard to get a chemical reaction to stop. It's the same thing with prions. Once the misfolded protein comes in contact with other proteins, it causes a reaction of misfolding. A bad template that is repeated exponentially.
"Mad Cow" disease is related to Kuru in humans and scrappie in sheep and CJDv in humans (please don't ask me to spell it).
The symptoms are similar to but not the same as Alzheimers and other dementias. The time from symptoms to death is mercifully short. I just read an article today that says that people are affected by CJDv differently depending on their genetics. Some may not become symptomatic until much later than most victims but still be "infective."
Those who carry prions may inadvertantly give it to others through blood transfusions or through infected surgical instruments used on them in surgery and then used on others after sterilization.
Here's a website. Try a search with CJDv, Kuru, Scrappie and Prions. You should be able to find plenty of data.
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 4:12am |
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Hi cisne,thanks for the imformation ,i am trying to find out if pirons can be the gateway for H5N1 to go H2H as the recient news about CJD still being a major health concern is a bit worrying,trying to research this info is a bit daunting but worth a look i think.
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 4:23am |
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000103&sid=ae4.Ko7FZld4&refer=us
Ban Poultry Feces, U.S. Senator Says
March 14 (Bloomberg) -- Poultry feces should be banned from cattle feed under rules to be revised this year because the waste may contain traces of mad cow disease, Iowa Senator Tom Harkin told U.S. regulators. The practice of feeding cattle parts to poultry and then using chickens' waste in feed for cows might increase the risk of spreading the disease, Harkin, a Democrat, said at a Senate subcommittee hearing today in Washington. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration plans to publish new rules on cattle feed that would allow farmers to continue feeding bird waste to cows. here it is from the horses mouth
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 7:37am |
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Fertilizer is also another way that hazardous waste is "disposed" of. It is a big business. In my former job, I was following up on a lead hazard and found this problem. If memory serves me, you do not have to list these "additives" if the amount is less than one percent of the total weight. I suppose that is how they get away with animal waste in products such as fertilizer and feed. As long as they keep it under a specific amount, they do not have to list it as a separate ingredient.
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 11:56am |
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This is an important issue. We have perverted the food chain in so many ways that immerging pathogens are sprouting up almost daily. Combine this with destruction of the environment and we are in for nasty long-term consequences. Has there been any hard science studies about a possible increasing rate of emerging pathogens? I'm going by what has happened in the last twenty years, and the curve seems to be increasing expediently. But this is only observation not backed up by science. So, anyone know of current studies?
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 12:56pm |
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I might not be 100% correct in this but, -
once upon a time in rural england our sheep had a little proble with a spinal and brain infection, we called it scabies. Anyway the waste sheep products were heat treated and fed to cattle for many years without problem.
Then one fine day a group of politions decided that the tempreture of treatment was a little high so they lowered it to a more resonable level.
Within a year of this we had another small little problem, we wern`t really sure what it was so we just called it Mad cow diesese.
Anyway a well known fast food chain that never cooks its reclaimed meat products to the required tempretures then fed this to joe public. In an effort to stop the relationship forming in peoples mad minds they gave it the name Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease or CJD no one new what this was and confusion got them largly of the hook.
So no suprises with avain flu, avain colerha, pig colerha, swine fever, human colerha. human fever, kanine fever ext ext ext - oh am sure i have seen some mystery horse deaths in news reports - perhaps to send your can of pedigrie chum to the who for analisis
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 1:01pm |
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Well, one thing with Mad Cow is heat does not affect it - cook it all you want, it still transfers. But your point is still true.
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 1:06pm |
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In essence i think ur right about the heat - but for animal feeds it is ultra high heat treatment not sure of the degrees but normal cooking stands little chance of killing much unless you cook like my wife lmao
anyway you get the idea
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Posted: March 29 2006 at 1:38pm |
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CJD is caused by prion protiens. Heat has no effect upon the protein (other than inceneration).
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 3:42pm |
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Here is news of a South Wales Anthrax outbreak. I wonder what these cattle have been eating?
http://www.24dash.com/content/news/viewNews.php?navID=7&newsID=5058 |
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 6:36pm |
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Probably grass
Anthrax is found almost anywhere cows are found. Antrhax lives in the soil. When a cow comes along and eats grass it inhales the anthrax spores. When the spores reach the wet, warm environment of the lungs the spores germinate and begin to reproduce thus causing infection. Anthrax is nothing new and is certainly not unexpected around cows. Almost anyone with basic scientific knowledge can go to an old pasture and grow out some anthrax. It is the weaponized form that is so dangerous to humans and that is very, very difficult to make. It does not occur naturally. Tim Edited by lsu2001 - April 23 2006 at 6:39pm |
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Posted: April 23 2006 at 6:49pm |
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We live 2 blocks from a Purina plant. One day a week they bring in the wagon with the dead animals parts in it (cows, horses, pigs, chicken etc). Not refrigerated and not closed up.. That goes in the pet food after it is cooked (I hope). The whole neighborhood stinks for a day. We are used to it.
Who knows what is in those carcass parts?
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 12:47am |
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Well you could extend that idea. It would save looking for sites for mass graves. Beth
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Posted: April 24 2006 at 1:26am |
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As long as they dont make pillows out of the carcases it's probably OK
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