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Posted: June 14 2006 at 4:41am |
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"Additional laboratory analysis, including tests by culture, is ongoing on 18 samples" -Wonder what they are testing for with the additional analysis? With pneumonic plague, the first signs of illness are fever, headache, weakness, and rapidly developing pneumonia with shortness of breath, chest pain, cough, and sometimes bloody or watery sputum. The pneumonia progresses for 2 to 4 days and may cause respiratory failure and shock. Without early treatment, patients may die. http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/plague/factsheet.asp |
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"WHO has received reports of 100 deaths of suspected pneumonic plague.."
"Preliminary results from rapid diagnostic tests in the area confirm pneumonic plague."
More yes, no, maybe...
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All the diagnostic tests confirm is
PNEUMONIA. They are not lab tests. The assumption is that
it is Bubonic Plague because that is what has occured nearby in the
past. Not a bad assumption, but they could have also assumed Bird
Flu, (except nobody makes that assumption initially. ABBF
strikes again!)
"As of 13 June 2006, WHO has received reports of 100 deaths of suspected pneumonic plague, including 19 deaths in Ituri district, Oriental province. Suspected cases of bubonic plague have also been reported but the total number is not known at this time. Preliminary results from rapid diagnostic tests in the area confirm pneumonic plague. Additional laboratory analysis, including tests by culture, is ongoing on 18 samples. Ituri is known to be the most active focus of human plague worldwide, reporting around 1000 cases a year. The first cases in this outbreak occurred in a rural area, in the Zone de Santé of Linga, in mid-May. A team from Médecins sans Frontières (Switzerland), WHO and Ministry of Health has been in the area to assess the situation and provide support to the local health authorities. Isolation wards have been established to treat patients; close contacts are being traced and receiving chemoprophylaxis. However, control measures have been difficult to implement because of security concerns in the area." |
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araywood
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Are the symptoms the same as H5N1 do you think this could be a possible scape goat for H5N1????
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NO NEWS IS WHO NEWS
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Current H5N1 symptoms in humans include (and range from) your typical seasonal flu symptoms (fever, muscle aches, sore throat, cough, headache, so on..) to eye infections, severe respiratory diseases, and pneumonia.
The fever is very high, very hard time breathing, some have had diarrhea, and other ailments..
But, from what I have read, the symptoms seem to be changing from cluster to cluster (mutation?).
Pneumonic Plague symptoms are fever, headache, weakness, and rapidly developing pneumonia with shortness of breath, chest pain, cough, and sometimes bloody or watery sputum.
(anyone correct me if I'm wrong)
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Influenza virus is constantly changing. (Each time it replicates in a human) What virus that comes out (sneezing, coughing, spitting, tears.....) can be slightly different from what initially went in. Heaven help us if the host (human, pig, ...) has both H3 and H5 replicating in a cell at the same time. |
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Seems like the whole world is in denial. Why is it that no one assumes BF, or wants to assume. It comes to our mind, it must come to someone's mind there too. Purely economical reasons? |
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I've been trying to answer that question in my thoughts for a year now. What I keep coming up with is 1) denial 2) economic 3) avoid panic Most of the world is still in denial, but if they have accepted that Bird Flu is possible, they then look to the WHO or other governmental offices that know that economic damage could come from admission that it is in THEIR country. Finally they know that people can become very unstable if alarmed, (so they openly lie like hades to keep the people tranquil.) The "lie like hades thing" is most obvious in India (Mystery Illness) and in China were they denied that all the deaths due to pneumonia were bird flu for ten years (finally admitting that they had Bird Flu late last year.) |
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If you think of the moral implications of this, I think these people or any power to be will have a lot to account for, playing God like that. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes (better to be one of those investigative reporters that are extinct..). |
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Once this story broke, the world stepped in and silenced it.
Moldavia: 17 People Die of Bird Flu? 13.01.2006 14:45 Bird flue is raging in the Orkhei Region in Moldavia. The web edition of "The New Dniestrian courier" reports that about 200 cases of people being infected with bird flu virus have been identified in Moldavia so far, most of them in the Orkhei Region. At least 17 people have already died. Officials in Kishinev have declined to comment on the report. http://inforos.com/?id=10444 |
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Your source also is claiming the bird flu is also a U.S.A bioweapon among a bunch of other outrageous stories. |
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So many different aliments breaking out all over the planet it seems.
Someone must be buying this stuff on the internet: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,,1797056,00.html Need to be prepared for anything. |
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Not only "my source," but me as well.
It could be a US bioweapon. Moreso I believe it was a Communist Chinese bio weapon that escaped from their Bio Weapons Lab in Hunan Province in 1996. Conjecture only. That Russian (after years of indoctrination) still sees the US as the potential enemy and I still see the Communist Chinese as a potential enemy. Stories like that abound in newspapers all over the world. Facts are facts none the less, and there was an illness that was killing in Moldavia. A few days later, Moldavia and Romania signed a mutual cooperation agreement with Romanian officials stepping in to "assist" Moldavia, and all future news stories about posible Bird flu deaths disappeared from their newspapers. What the people don't know won't hurt them (But it may kill them.) |
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Oh, for goodness sake, TopTop! Doesn't matter, since this topic is about a catostrphic epidemic in Africa that is occuring right now. I believe he was just trying to make a point.
TopTop, do you have any comments on the 100 dead of suspected pneumonic plague?
(I apologize for my bluntness with people who just want to bicker. Have three kids already in the house that do that, and starting to loose my patience.)
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Suspected plague kills 100 in Congo, WHO saysJun 14, 2006 (CIDRAP News) – One hundred people have died in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) of suspected pneumonic plague, the World Health Organization (WHO) said today. Nineteen of the deaths occurred in Ituri district in the northeastern Oriental province, a plague hotbed, according to the WHO. Preliminary results from rapid diagnostic testing confirmed pneumonic plague, the least common but most lethal form of the disease, according to the WHO. Further laboratory analysis, including cultures, is ongoing, the WHO reported. The WHO also said suspected cases of bubonic plague have been reported in the country, but the number of cases was unknown. The WHO stated, "Ituri is known to be the most active focus of human plague worldwide, reporting around 1,000 cases a year. The first cases in this outbreak occurred in a rural area, in the Zone de Sante of Linga, in mid-May." A team from Medecins sans Frontieres (Doctors without Borders), the WHO, and the DRC Ministry of Health is in the outbreak area assessing the situation and helping local health authorities, according to the WHO. Officials have set up isolation wards to treat patients and are administering preventive drugs to close contacts of those infected. However, according to the WHO, control measures have been difficult to implement because of security concerns in the war-torn area. The plague bacterium, Yersinia pestis, circulates mainly among rodents and their fleas but occasionally spreads to humans. It is transmitted primarily by flea bites, direct contact, or inhalation of contaminated respiratory droplets. Plague kills 30% to 60% of infected people if left untreated, but it can be effectively treated with antibiotics and other measures if diagnosed in time, according to the WHO. Pneumonic plague accounts for only 2% of plague cases. About 99% of all plague cases and deaths occur in Africa. In March 2005, the WHO reported that 130 cases and 57 deaths from pneumonic plague had been reported in Zobia, Bas-Uele district in Oriental province of the DRC, dating back to Dec 15, 2004 (see CIDRAP story link below). See also: Jun 14 WHO statement on plague outbreak May 27, 2005, CIDRAP News article "Plague outbreak highlighted ongoing problem in Africa" |
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THE RAT
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humm i see i am making news today here. heres some info on this pneumonic bubonic plague desease
http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/plague/trainingmodule/1/06.asp |
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Why would anyone cover up avian flu by calling it PLAGUE?
Plague is a bigger boogeyman for most of the world than avian flu. Say "plague" and people say, "Black death! Eeek! Fleas! Rats! A third of the world died!" Say "Avian Flu" and they go, "That's not an issue yet, is it?" if not, "Huh?" Why would try to cover up AI by calling it something even scarier? Makes no sense. If any government tries to cover up bird flu when and if it goes pandemic they will likely call it seasonal influenza. THAT would make sense. As far as plague goes -- it's around and I wouldn't be surprised if it's underreported because, quite frankly, it's very sensitive to antiobiotics and if someone's got a nasty lung crud or a funny abcess or whatever, most doctors will throw antiobiotics (and maybe prednisone and albuterol) at the problem and not culture. You may get large outbreaks in a situation like this, however, where it's an impoverished country and they may not HAVE access to a few pennies worth of penicillin. |
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They probably aren't covering up AF with the plague. But, as far as I know, people don't get freaked out about the plague because we are more familiar with it, and it can be treated.
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Ituri is the hot spot i see lets look back at where the bird flu was reported bird flu invades congo march 19,2006 http://avianflu.futurehs.com/?cat=173 He said 100 of them died in a single day in Tshikapa, a town in the southcentral province of Kasai Occidental. He said the dead birds presented a danger to public health because tests had not been conducted. “The problem is that most of the dead chicken and ducks in Tshikapa have been eaten,” Ramazani said. |
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Thanks for the info. and map.
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Good article thank you...
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Besides the whole point of whether there is a cover-up, or no cover-up (maybe we went off topic there), the point was: why are they here only assuming it is the Pneumonic Plague and not wondering, thinking and testing if it could be BF as well.
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--COMMENT FROM PROMED
ProMED-mail <promed@promedmail.org> [Primary pneumonic plague (one percent of natural plague presentations) arises as a result of inhalation of plague bacilli in infectious aerosols, such as would be produced when there are secondary pneumonic complications in bubonic/septicemic plague. Primary plague pneumonia has a short incubation period of 1-3 days, after which there is sudden onset of flu-like symptoms including fever, chills, headache, generalized body pains, weakness and chest discomfort. A cough develops with sputum production, which may be bloody, and increasing chest pain and difficulty in breathing. As the disease progresses, hypoxia (low oxygen concentration in the blood) and hemoptysis (coughing up blood) are prominent. The disease is invariably fatal unless antimicrobial therapy commences within 24 hours of exposure. Patients with primary pneumonic plague generate large quantities of infectious aerosols that pose a significant risk to close contacts. CDC guidelines identify contacts within 2 meters as being at greatest risk and do not consider the organism likely to be carried through air ducts or vents. Persons who have been in contact with pneumonic plague patients or handling potentially infectious body fluids or tissues without appropriate protection should receive preventive antimicrobial therapy. The preferred antimicrobial agents for prophylaxis are tetracyclines, quinolones, or chloramphenicol. A map of Congo DR showing Oriental province, where Ituri is located, can be found at: <http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/congo_demrep_pol98.jpg>. - Mod.LL] [Of note, this is the same general area where there was a major outbreak of pneumonic and bubonic plague in 2005 |
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Date: Wed 14 Jun 2006
From: Marianne Hopp <mjhopp12@yahoo.com> Source: WHO Outbreak Reports [edited] <http://www.who.int/csr/don/2006_06_14/en/index.html> As of 13 Jun 2006, WHO has received reports of 100 deaths of suspected pneumonic plague, including 19 deaths in Ituri district, Oriental province. Suspected cases of bubonic plague have also been reported, but the total number is not known at this time. Preliminary results from rapid diagnostic tests in the area confirm pneumonic plague. Additional laboratory analysis, including tests by culture, is ongoing on 18 samples. Ituri is known to be the most active focus of human plague worldwide, reporting around 1000 cases a year. The 1st cases in this outbreak occurred in a rural area, in the Zone de Sante of Linga, in mid-May 2006. A team from Medecins sans Frontieres (Switzerland), WHO and Ministry of Health has been in the area to assess the situation and provide support to the local health authorities. Isolation wards have been established to treat patients; close contacts are being traced and receiving chemoprophylaxis. However, control measures have been difficult to implement because of security concerns in the area. For more information, see the fact sheet on plague at <http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs267/en/>. |
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