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What are the symptoms of monkeypox?

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Welcome to the site Danielle, 

That's a good question. I'm sure anyone really knows because health authorities have been caught recycling their published photos of Shingles and relabelling them as Monkeypox. But here is an article about how to catch it and what the symptoms are from a UK newspaper last week. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10837201/How-catch-monkeypox-symptoms-need-know-virus.html

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[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/949085-discussion-thoughts-on-a-global-outbreak-of-monkeypox/page10?view=stream[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/the-pandemic-discussion-forum/949085-discussion-thoughts-on-a-global-outbreak-of-monkeypox/page10?view=stream monkeypox discussion....

One additional thought...if the sexual exposure really represents an H2H transmission, you should be able to contact trace; that is to ask the patients who they had sex with in the past two weeks, and presumably, you'd get only a short list of people who you could check to see if they had previously been ill. This would NOT be the case if an infected condom or something similar had the result of infecting one or both sexual partners during the act. I feel like the former type of contact tracing should have been done already, and the fact that it's not turning up chains of transmission might argue against H2H spread.

This is not HIV with a long incubation period to allow for silent transmission.

DJ...If monkeypox is a sexual transmitted disease most of the time why there seems to be NO contact tracing ? Even knowing where people with monkeypox have been may be worthwile...to see if surface spread links may show up...

Children infected by monkeypox in WHO report: "Of the 10,141 cases where age was available, there were 72 (0.7%) cases reported aged 0-17, out of which 23 (0.2%) were aged 0-4." Note: Monkeypox in children has been historically more severe with significantly higher fatality.

DJ [url]https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/monkeypox-outbreak-technical-briefings/investigation-into-monkeypox-outbreak-in-england-technical-briefing-4[/url] or https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/monkeypox-outbreak-technical-briefings/investigation-into-monkeypox-outbreak-in-england-technical-briefing-4 ;

Potential levels of the outbreak in England

The outbreak can be considered to fall into 1 of 4 potential levels of transmission:

Level 1

Incursions from rest of the world – small numbers of imported cases with limited onward transmission.

Level 2

Transmission within a defined sub-population.

Level 3

Transmission within multiple sub-populations or larger sub-population.

Level 4

Wider significant community transmission – with potential for endemic and local epi-zoonotic disease.

These may be refined with better understanding of modes of transmission.

At present, England is judged to be in Level 2 and is being closely monitored for any evidence of Level 3.

I think lots of (western) countries may already be at level 3....

Important: The percent of child infections will most likely continue growing. The initial stage of the monkeypox pandemic was dominated by MSM community superspreader events. The incubation period can be 5-21 days and multiple periods must pass to show community transmission.

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Study: Both surface and air samples tested positive for monkeypox virus "Replication-competent virus was identified in two of four samples selected for viral isolation, including from air samples collected during the bed linen change."

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Yesterday, the @WHO claimed: “FACT: The #monkeypox virus is NOT airborne” Let’s now see what this scientific study shows us. https://medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.07.21.22277864v1 This is evidence that the monkeypox virus is airborne.   Please correct @WHO’s misinformation. @PeopleDocGeneva @mvankerkhove

DJ So if monkeypox is spreading by air/surface contact tracing may have "limited use"...[url]https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.07.21.22277864v1[/url] or https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.07.21.22277864v1 ;

Findings We identified widespread surface contamination (66 positive out of 73 samples) in occupied patient rooms (MPXV DNA Ct values 24·7-38·6), on healthcare worker personal protective equipment after use, and in doffing areas (Ct 26·3-34·3). Five out of fifteen air samples taken were positive. Significantly, three of four air samples collected during a bed linen change in one patient’s room were positive (Ct 32·7-35·8). Replication-competent virus was identified in two of four samples selected for viral isolation, including from air samples collected during the bed linen change.

Interpretation These data demonstrate significant contamination in isolation facilities and potential for aerosolisation of MPXV during specific activities. PPE contamination was observed after clinical contact and changing of bed linen. Additionally, contamination of hard surfaces in doffing areas supports the importance of cleaning protocols, PPE use and doffing procedures.

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Current data on growth of the pandemic (daily new cases, 7 day average) showing accelerating growth. Now growing at ~600 cases per day (and increasing).

DJ [url]https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1550860596199014402/photo/2[/url] or https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1550860596199014402/photo/2 

some models expect we may cross the million monkeypox cases by november...

19) A new  reports finds that **72 children** have now gotten #monkeypox, despite limited testing. Rash and fever are the most common symptoms. https://worldhealthorg.shinyapps.io/mpx_global/

alarming when you think monkeypox testing is concentrated on gay men...so missing a lot of other spread...

[url]https://www.coronaheadsup.com/health/monkeypox/who-declares-monkeypox-a-pheic-as-tedros-overrides-advisors/[/url] or https://www.coronaheadsup.com/health/monkeypox/who-declares-monkeypox-a-pheic-as-tedros-overrides-advisors/ ...spread started in may....

Outlook for monkeypox-virus=good; free travel, lots of hosts to infect...when will the first non-human monkeypox case be identified ? Outlook for us humans "not good"...

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I still don't think monkeypox is a problem. I think it's just another thing to try and keep us all in a state of fear. It's ridiculous that the WHO have declared it a global emergency. Just think how many Covid cases there were before that was declared a pandemic.

Here in NZ we're told we should all be concerned about it because we have 2 cases. It's complete madness. 


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Kiwimum, monkeypox may have -so far- been (part of) a cause of death for less then 5 people...As far as I understand maybe a few hundred needed-so far-hospitalcare...from that perspective I have to agree with you...

However the WHO has been critized for running behind the facts with (a.o.) CoViD...There may be 1 million cases+ by november...If most healthissues remain mild in most cases even then maybe calling it an emergency may be overdoing it...

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Health_Emergency_of_International_Concern[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Health_Emergency_of_International_Concern also was used for [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Health_Emergency_of_International_Concern#2016_Zika_virus_declaration[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Health_Emergency_of_International_Concern#2016_Zika_virus_declaration ...

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Health_Emergency_of_International_Concern#2016_Zika_virus_declaration[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Health_Emergency_of_International_Concern#2016_Zika_virus_declaration MERS was missed while it still is around and killing people...may recombine with CoViD...

The chances of "western"monkeypox becoming like smallpox seem very limited...

I think the major worry has to be the CoViD(vaccine) link...did CoViD(vaccines) cause this monkeypox outbreak...

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Health_Emergency_of_International_Concern#2016_Zika_virus_declaration[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Health_Emergency_of_International_Concern#2016_Zika_virus_declaration someone still following still lots of info... 

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Originally posted by Dutch Josh Dutch Josh wrote:


The chances of "western"monkeypox becoming like smallpox seem very limited...

I think the major worry has to be the CoViD(vaccine) link...did CoViD(vaccines) cause this monkeypox outbreak...


I agree Josh. I wish they would release details of the vaccination status of the monkeypox people.

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Combining monkeypox and CoViD may bring worse outcomes....

DJ-I find it a bit strange they are now starting to vaccinate some high risk groups against monkeypox...[url]https://nltimes.nl/2022/07/25/nl-starts-preventive-vaccination-monkeypox-amsterdam-hague[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2022/07/25/nl-starts-preventive-vaccination-monkeypox-amsterdam-hague 

Again-I am not an expert...but I think vaccinations against CoVid without stopping the spread resulted in immunity evading variants...Are we repeating this now in monkeypox ? 

With HIV/AIDS a.o. Cuba did "isolate" people testing positive for HIV and still having sex...STOP THE SPREAD should be priority #1 !

Given the high numbers of monkeypox cases-[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_monkeypox_outbreak#Cases_per_country_and_territory[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_monkeypox_outbreak#Cases_per_country_and_territory over 18,000 now confirmed stopping the spread has to be top of the list...

Under the monkeypox cases - if I am correct- a lot of people did run above average risk for CoViD...so it is very likely a lot of them may have had CoViD in the past...why not use that info? 

I think a smaller group of them did get CoViD vaccinations...I expect a lot of them will not go for monkeypox vaccinations...

Given spread by air/surface a.o. hotel workers seem to get infected...it is no longer a "gay disease"...several children also tested positive...Still sticking to "gay STD" is WRONG !!!

New York, London, Amsterdam a.o. may see increase of spread via aerosol/contact....

Did "they" not learn a thing from earlier mistakes in strategies ? STOP THE SPREAD !!! Vaccines could make matters worse if you are unable to stop the spread !

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