ok........  900 people infected in two days!!!!?????  in other news it not bf three weeks later

 

oh wait it was bf

 

edit: I just read up on malaryia, I'm wondering if this is what sparks it, because an outbreak can cause 1 million deaths maybe more

Good point.   The whole thing stinks.  Particularly the rapidity of their testing.  H5N1 testing always seems to take awhile and is riddled with false positives and negatives.  I really hope they got this right.

900 in two days - What will it be in three? six? nine? - Maybe they'll outsource it to us by next week.  Fair Trade.

They didn't say HOW SICK these people are.

It wouldn't be unusual for people to test positive for malaria in the area, it's endemic.  That in no way means that malaria is causing the illness.

SophiaZoe et al,

Malaria, Yellow Fever, Dengue, Dengue Hemorrhagic Fever, Crimean Congo Hemorrhagic Fever, Pneumonia and a host of other illnesses have taken the blame for Bird Flu all around the globe now. If they are in denial they will find something to blame it on when humans get sick, just like they blame Newcastles, the rain, the temperature, colera and anything else for when birds and animals bet sick.

I no longer try to figure out which illness could be H5N1 and which ones are not.  The foolish attempts to coverup are depressing, knowing that they could have produced a vaccine against Sichuan Sheet months ago but have not done so. 

The Ukraine could have had their entire population inoculated against SS before it hit the Ukraine. They have had thousands of "pneumonia deaths" this winter. Yet, they could have seen the deaths coming as they marched across Siberia towards the Ukraine.

Moldavia just west of the Ukraine has had hundreds of deaths from "pneumonia."   Other countries are hiding their statistics.

It is a tossup as to which country (India or China) has had the most fatalities, but my guess is that it is in the thousands in each country.

For those who do not know, China had an official nationwide certificate of death report that did not have Bird Flu as a listed cause of death.  Chinese doctors for the past few years were forced to list a BF death as one of many other causes.  Only recently have they allowed doctors to write in Bird Flu.

India is still calling it Anything But Bird Flu.  Really, they should just have "ABBF" listed on their certificate of death forms so as to avoid the trouble of skewing all the other death statistics. In Uttar Preadesh province alone, they had to triple the number of reports due to Japanese Encephalitis over previous years averages.  Foolishness!  Thousands upon thousands of meningitis deaths also are suspect.  They started in February of last year and are continuing now.  Is it really meningitis when they are bleeding from their mouths and noses prior to death? Must be one hell of a headache.

Okay, Albert dissapeared... is anyone else as concerned about this as I am?  Are we looking at Ground Zero?

i'm going to join him

Spoon wrote: Are we looking at Ground Zero?

Okay, that's enough.  Stop it. Just Stop it. Stop it. Stop. Ok? Stop it.

(apologizes to The Family Guy)

Deej, that brings up a point I've been mulling over.  These Orissa symptoms, particularly the vomiting, has that been seen in any previous h5 outbreaks?   

i learn from the best

symptoms of bf.. cough, fever pneumonia, respiratory distress- failure , life threatening complications- ( what they are ? ) but i am sure i have read of vomiting- (blood)

LINK

H5N1 in Humans: Clinical and Treatment Considerations

Clinical Features

The incubation period for most patients with H5N1 influenza is 2 to 4 days; however, the range appears to be as long as 8 days. A recent report summarized the clinical presentations for different groups of patients in Asia; the information is presented in the table below (see References: WHO Writing Committee of the WHO Consultation on Human Influenza A/H5).

Clinical Presentation for Different Groups of Patients in Asia
	Hong Kong (N=18)	Thailand, 2004 (N=17)	Vietnam, 2004 (N=10)	Ho Chi Minh City, 2005 (N=10)	Cambodia, 2005 (N=4)
Outcome or Measure	No./Total No. (%)	No./Total No. (%)	No./Total No. (%)	No./Total No. (%)	No./Total No. (%)
Fever (>38:C)	17/18 (94)	17/17 (100)	10/10 (100)	10/10 (100)	4/4 (100)
Headache	4/18 (22)	NS	NS	1/10 (10)	4/4 (100)
Myalgia	2/18 (11)	9/17 (53)	0	2/10 (20)	NS
Diarrhea	3/18 (17)	7/17 (41)	7/10 (70)	NS	2/4 (50)
Abdominal pain	3/18 (17)	4/17 (24)	NS	NS	2/4 (50)
Vomiting	6/18 (33)	4/17 (24)	NS	1/10 (10)	0
Cough	12/18 (67)	16/17 (94)	10/10 (70)	10/10 (100)	4/4 (100)
Sputum	NS	13/17 (76)	5/10 (50)	3/10 (30)	NS
Sore throat	4/12 (33)	12/17 (71)	0	0	<(25)
Rhinorrhea	7/12 (58)	9/17 (53)	0	0	NS
Shortness of breath	1/18 (6)	13/17 (76)	10/10 (100)	10/10 (100)	NS
Pulmonary infiltrates	11/18 (61)	17/17 (100)	10/10 (100)	10/10 (100)	4/4 (100)
Lymphopenia	11/18 (61)	7/12 (58)	NS	8/10 (80)	= (50)
Thrombocytopenia	NS	4/12 (33)	NS	8/10 (80)	= (50)
Increased aminotransferase levels	11/18 (61)	8/12 (67)	5/6 (83)	7/10 (70)	NS
Development of respiratory failure (usually with ARDS)*	8/19 (44)	13/17 (76)	9/10 (90)	7/10 (70)	4/4 (100)
Abbreviations: ARDS: Acute respiratory distress syndrome; NS: Not stated. *High levels of inflammatory mediators may contribute to ARDS and multiorgan failure. Data were obtained from a recent WHO report and are derived primarily from several separate studies (see References: WHO Writing Committee of the WHO Consultation on Human Influenza A/H5; Chan 2002; Chotpitayasunondh 2004, Tran 2004, Yuen 1998).

Overall, the case-fatality rate for H5N1 influenza is about 50%. The high case-fatality rate suggests that the pathogenicity of H5N1 may be similar to the 1918 H1N1 pandemic strain. Researchers have hypothesized that cytokine storm (ie, overproduction of cytokines) may have played an important role in the pathogenesis of the 1918 pandemic strain. A laboratory-based study involving H5N1 strains taken from ill humans in Asia (during 1997 and 2004) and an ordinary current H1N1 strain (circulating in Asia in 1998) found that all the H5N1 viruses caused human alveolar cells and bronchial epithelial cells to secrete significantly higher levels of various cytokines and chemokines than did the ordinary virus (see References: Chan 2005). These findings support the role of cytokine storm in the pathogenesis of H5N1, although further work is needed to clarify the clinical implications of these findings.

Some patients have presented with primarily gastrointestinal symptoms. In addition, a recent case report of a 4-year-old Vietnamese child with H5N1 avian influenza who presented in 2004 with encephalitis demonstrated the following features (see References: De Jong 2005: Fatal avian influenza A (H5N1) in a child presenting with diarrhea followed by coma):

• The child presented with a 2-day history of fever, headache, vomiting, and severe diarrhea (approximately 10 episodes per day). The stools were watery without blood or mucus.
• Laboratory tests on admission were unremarkable and chest x-ray was normal.
• On the third day following initial presentation, the child had a generalized convulsion and became comatose. He developed respiratory failure and died on the fifth day after initial presentation. Acute encephalitis of unknown origin was reported as the cause of death; no autopsy was performed.
• H5N1 influenza A virus was isolated from cerebrospinal fluid, fecal, throat, and serum specimens.
• The patient's 9-year-old sister had died 2 weeks earlier from a similar clinical syndrome.

Some sort of viral tsunami is building.  I hope the symptoms are mild.  

RotroShaggy wrote: I don't know how accurate it is or where she got her information, but a member of another forum posted a few minutes ago she was receiving information that indicated some sort of norovirus and that the infected persons are not presenting any respiratory symptoms.  That is good news.

Only if a lab confirms that result.

Point well taken, Rick.  I am trying to keep an eye on Wiki for more information.  She has already been asked to support her post with an article or link.  We'll see what develops.  Stay tuned. . . .

The trouble with India is that it could be any one of a number of diseases.  Just hope that it isn't H2H BF.

Can someone explain to me why Albert's posts keep disappearing?

Well you see, he committed trans-temporal matricide(or he went back in time and killed his mother prior to his birth) ergo his is gradually fading from existence.  So yes, what was I talking about?

Put down the Koolaid and take a deep breath.

A breaking story is full of Reporter Fiction.

Lets look for threads of consistancy and wait until Geraldo can interview the Grand Poobah of the village.

re norovirus:  is this something like what you are looking for?

Norovirus is culprit in area's stomach bug outbreak

State Department of Health confirms cases tested positive for it.
By Ann Wlazelek
Of The Morning Call

 

The super contagious stomach bug that prompted Lehigh Valley Hospital-Allentown and Reading Hospital and Medical Center to close some patient units to visitors and new admissions is what experts suspected: norovirus.

The Pennsylvania Department of Health and Mayo Clinic on Friday confirmed that specimens from patients at those hospitals tested positive for norovirus, a gastrointestinal virus that causes vomiting and diarrhea.

 

Norovirus, also called the ''winter vomiting disease'' or cruise ship virus, generally lasts two or three days. Symptoms can include nausea, stomach cramping, low-grade fever, chills, headache, muscle aches and a general sense of tiredness. The illness often begins suddenly, and the infected person may feel very sick.

http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-b3_5norovirusfeb25,0,344 7162.story

Low Grade Fever.

Our India outbreak has High Grade Fever.

From wikipedia on norovirus

In developing countries the percentage of individuals who have developed immunity is very high at an early age. In the U.S. the percentage increases gradually with age, reaching 50% in the population over 18 years of age. Immunity, however, is not permanent and reinfection can occur. There is some evidence that blood types B and AB confer partial protection against symptomatic infection.

Also

Specific diagnosis of norovirus is routinely made by broadly-reactive conventional RT-PCR assays which are recently more and more replaced by realtime RT-PCR assays which give results within a few hours.