Click to Translate to English Click to Translate to French  Click to Translate to Spanish  Click to Translate to German  Click to Translate to Italian  Click to Translate to Japanese  Click to Translate to Chinese Simplified  Click to Translate to Korean  Click to Translate to Arabic  Click to Translate to Russian  Click to Translate to Portuguese  Click to Translate to Myanmar (Burmese)

PANDEMIC ALERT LEVEL
123456
Forum Home Forum Home > Main Forums > General Discussion
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Irish Health Minister:  WHO LEVEL IS 4
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Tracking the next pandemic: Avian Flu Talk

Irish Health Minister: WHO LEVEL IS 4

 Post Reply Post Reply
Author
Message
CupcakeMom View Drop Down
Adviser Group
Adviser Group
Avatar

Joined: January 20 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 140
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CupcakeMom Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Irish Health Minister: WHO LEVEL IS 4
    Posted: February 24 2006 at 7:51pm

I have found articles that state the WHO level is actually 4 (example below).  The WHO website has not updated the 'level' webpage since November 2005.  Anyone else find an article saying level 4, please post:

http://www.irishexaminer.com/pport/web/ireland/Full_Story/di d-sgT1zOKllgmFYsg7OWirIStPSk.asp

25/02/06

Irish bird flu pandemic is now ‘inevitable’, admits Harney

By Ann Cahill, Europe Correspondent, Vienna
A BIRD FLU pandemic is inevitable in Ireland, Health Minister and Tánaiste Mary Harney has admitted.


Ms Harney attended an emergency meeting of EU health ministers in Vienna yesterday to co-ordinate their actions as bird flu was suspected in France, which would be the first EU country to have it in domestic poultry.

Asked if a pandemic was now inevitable in Ireland, she said: “Ireland could not escape avian flu. The experts say it’s inevitable.”

She added that it would not be in the next six or 12 months, but the fact the virus is in the bird population makes it inevitable.

Up to now Government ministers have been playing down the possibility of an outbreak, with Agriculture Minister Mary Coughlan saying it was possible the country could escape it.

< = =text/> < = src="http://www.adireland.com/adjs.php?n=a75c30f1&what=zone:295&exclude=," =text/> < = =text/> The Department of Health has placed an order for 400,000 doses to treat 200,000 people with a vaccine developed from a strain of H5N1 found in humans in Vietnam.

Ms Harney said there will not be time to go through normal drug testing and licensing for the vaccine before making it available.

“In case of emergency we would not have the time to go through the usual approval procedures,” she said.

There would be no option but to use it in the event of a pandemic but it would be offered to people on a voluntary basis. The most at risk in the population would be offered it first, along with those in the first line of defence, including health and veterinary workers, the elderly and children.

The vaccine will be manufactured by British pharmaceutical company Baxter International and Chiron, a US company being bought out by Novartis. It has been ordered in conjunction with the British health department.

In addition to this front line vaccine the department is making arrangements to buy a second anti-viral. There are over one million doses of the ordinary flu vaccine Tamiflu either in the country or on order.

EU health ministers at their meeting yesterday in Vienna agreed a communication campaign to alert people, and especially children, to the dangers of contact with sick birds.

Ms Harney said she was anxious not to confuse or alarm people and she had no plan for such a campaign in Ireland at present. The risk of infection from birds to humans was still very low, with the World Health Organisation (WHO) alert level at just 4 - level 6 indicates human pandemic.

She added, “The WHO has a meeting next week and we will take whatever advice about a communication campaign from them.”

She was not enthusiastic about an EU plan to share anti-virals to create a common stockpile of vaccines to help out any country not fully prepared.

“The national interest comes first,” she said but added we have an obligation to show solidarity and are not opposed to sharing. She said she looked forward to seeing proposals the European Commission is to produce in the next few weeks.


Back to Top
plainsman View Drop Down
V.I.P. Member
V.I.P. Member


Joined: February 14 2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 177
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote plainsman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 24 2006 at 8:00pm
I hope so. Some on this board are already at a 7!
Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Guest Group
Guest Group
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2006 at 1:21am
I dont think they understand the concepts. Level 4 refer to human clusters.
This report appears to be referring to a 'pandemic' within the bird species
getting the flu. We know that already. It's not rocket science, it's here.
Go do your homework Ms Harney.
Back to Top
CaGirl View Drop Down
Valued Member
Valued Member
Avatar

Joined: February 08 2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 7
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CaGirl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2006 at 3:53pm
First-I agree that she is mistaken about Level 4 by WHO.
Second-Does anyone know why she states that it will NOT be in the next 6 to 12 months? Ireland or the world. Very blanket statement based on what information because we all would like to know.Can that statement be true?
Don't be called out on strikes. Go down swinging.
Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Guest Group
Guest Group
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2006 at 3:54pm
They are not paying attention to what has happened in Indonesia.  It is H2H there.
Back to Top
CaGirl View Drop Down
Valued Member
Valued Member
Avatar

Joined: February 08 2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 7
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CaGirl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2006 at 3:59pm
I just found the statement irresponsible particularly by a gov official. Thanks for the answer. I am away from the boards sometimes and thought that she knew something I didn't.


Don't be called out on strikes. Go down swinging.
Back to Top
seesthelight View Drop Down
V.I.P. Member
V.I.P. Member


Joined: January 28 2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 194
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote seesthelight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2006 at 5:19pm

Check this out too ..  this is current and it speaks about the level 3 WHO has us at.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060225/ap_on_he_me/spreading_bi rd_flu;_ylt=AgfJzAe9M.KLeTtPx6Yg6rys0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3czJjNG ZoBHNlYwM3NTE-

Bird Flu Sweep- Worries Health Officials 2/25/2006

By ALEXANDER G. HIGGINS, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 28 minutes ago

GENEVA - For years after its appearance in 1997 in Hong Kong, the current bird flu virus seemed corralled in a few east Asian countries. But in the past four months, it has spread across Europe and into Africa, bringing to 31 the number of countries with sick birds.

People have caught it in a quarter of those, and just six people outside east Asia have died. The virus is still not easily caught by humans.

Even so, its sudden sweep across continents on the wings of birds has stunned public health officials. And most say they cannot predict where or when this disturbing germ might mutate into a form that could unleash a deadly flu epidemic.

"Anywhere the virus lands," said Dr. Mike Perdue of the global influenza program for the

< =yqin =http://yq.search.yahoo.com/search method=post>< = value='"World Health Organization"' name=p> < = value=c1,i,yn,c3 name=sourceOrder> < = value='

World Health Organization

' name=c1> < = value='

SEARCH
News | News Photos | Images | Web

' name=c3> World Health Organization.

For many months, most experts said Asia was the most likely starting point because of its large population and ubiquitous animal markets. And many still believe that. But it's all speculation.

"It could be Asia. It could be somewhere else," said Maria Cheng, a spokeswoman for the World Health Organization.

"Turkey would have been logically a place that you wouldn't want to see it happen because we saw many cases in a short period of time," said Perdue, referring to the frightening spurt of human cases and the deaths of four children in January.

Dr. Scott Dowell of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said it's difficult to predict the spread of the disease in the next few months, because public health officials have little experience tracking a disease spread by migratory birds.

"I'm not an expert on migratory birds carrying human pathogens. I don't know who is. We're going beyond our experience," said Dowell who heads < =yqin =http://yq.search.yahoo.com/search method=post>< = value='"CDC"' name=p> < = value=c1,i,yn,c3 name=sourceOrder> < = value='

CDC

' name=c1> < = value='

SEARCH
News | News Photos | Images | Web

' name=c3> CDC's global disease detection program.

The closest analogy he could think of is < =yqin =http://yq.search.yahoo.com/search method=post>< = value='"West Nile virus"' name=p> < = value=c1,i,yn,c3 name=sourceOrder> < = value='

West Nile virus

' name=c1> < = value='

SEARCH
News | News Photos | Images | Web

' name=c3> West Nile virus, a bird-associated illness that began in Africa and landed on the East Coast of the United States in 1999. Within four years, it had spread to the West Coast.

As to where the virus has the best chance of morphing into a more serious human threat, Nigeria, where many people live close to their chickens, poses a particular threat. Its 800 federal veterinarians lack the support they need to combat the disease, said Dr. Peter Cowen, former director of a WHO coordinating center in veterinary public health.

"What's missing there is the laboratory infrastructure, the field infrastructure that would allow them to get out in the field to get samples, simple things like enough vehicles to get around," he said.

Cowen, an associate professor at North Carolina State University in the United States, believes it may be time to change strategies: Abandon efforts to quarantine and kill poultry flocks and instead focus on vaccinating them.

"We should be giving that some very serious thought," he said.

Currently, each country decides what to do.

"We don't really have a truly global infrastructure to fight this potential pandemic," he said. "When an epidemic moves into a new territory, it means a new member territory asks help from WHO rather than having a centrally coordinated disease control strategy" that all countries follow, he said.

Many governments aren't adequately paying farmers to destroy their fowl, and "you get sick birds in the market," Cowen said.

At the center of concern is the current strain of the bird flu virus — known as H5N1, which has set records for its spread and deadliness among birds — both domestic poultry and wild fowl. About 180 million birds have been killed by the disease or slaughtered in attempts to control it, according to the < =yqin =http://yq.search.yahoo.com/search method=post>< = value='"United Nations"' name=p> < = value=c1,i,yn,c3 name=sourceOrder> < = value='

United Nations

' name=c1> < = value='

SEARCH
News | News Photos | Images | Web

' name=c3> United Nations' Food and Agriculture Organization.

It has remained a relatively difficult disease for humans to catch. In the initial 1997 outbreak in Hong Kong, 18 people caught it and six died, WHO says. Hong Kong's entire poultry population of about 1.5 million birds was slaughtered in three days to control the outbreak.

H5N1 re-emerged in Hong Kong in February 2003. Since then WHO has confirmed the virus infected 170 people and that 92 of them — more than 50 percent — died. Until January the human cases of the disease were restricted to Asia — Cambodia, China, Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam. Last summer it was found in birds in Russia and Kazakhstan on its way to Europe. This year the first human cases were confirmed in Turkey and < =yqin =http://yq.search.yahoo.com/search method=post>< = value='"Iraq"' name=p> < = value=c1,i,yn,c3 name=sourceOrder> < = value='

Iraq

' name=c1> < = value='

SEARCH
News | News Photos | Images | Web

' name=c3> Iraq.

Experts see two likely ways for the virus to change into a strain that could set off a human flu pandemic — either by mutating so that it becomes contagious among people or by combining with a regular human flu virus in a person infected with both at the same time.

Even though the spread of the disease in birds has been dented, WHO is holding its pandemic alert level at 3 on a scale of 6, where it has been since the virus first emerged in Hong Kong eight years ago.

That means very limited human-to-human transmission of the disease or none at all. Evidence of increased person-to-person spread would move the alert level to 4; significant transmission, level 5; and the final stage, "efficient and sustained" transmission, level 6.

A frustration in preparing for a pandemic is that no sure-fire vaccine can be made until the virus changes into a strain that easily infect people. And it will takes months to produce.

To shorten the time needed, researchers are already preparing a vaccine based on the current H5N1 virus with the intention of substituting genetic material from the pandemic virus should one emerge. Manufacturers would then be able to produce usable quantities in six months.

WHO is urging people in the meantime to be vaccinated with regular flu vaccine and governments are advised to stockpile antiviral medicine, mainly Tamiflu, because that has been somewhat effective at combating the virus.

Dowell of the CDC said public health officials have been establishing systems to quickly contain any potential future human outbreaks. He cited Thailand as making terrific strides in establishing surveillance systems that look for human cases, a network of labs that can quickly confirm bird flu in people, and rapid response teams that can restrict travel in outbreak areas and track down human contacts of ill people.

But Thailand has been working on its response system for two years, said Dowell, who previously was head of the CDC's Thailand-based international emerging infections program.

"The countries hit in the last month are going to have to start the process, and some of the countries have a lot less resources," particularly those in Africa, he said.

But Perdue of the WHO said countries have done surprisingly well, including Iraq, which has moved quickly to contain chicken outbreaks and the two confirmed human cases. India, Nigeria and Egypt also have responded well.

"Everyone pulls out their best efforts to cover this situation," he said.

Controlling the disease in birds is the top priority, said Perdue.

"Our best approach is just to do everything we can to keep it out of people," Perdue said.

Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Guest Group
Guest Group
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2006 at 5:43pm
Yes it would be nice if the information we got, was consistent,  But that is Who for you.  Give the people in the know the right information and us lowly people get tidbits of information and have to read all these articles looking for the clues.
Back to Top
Corn View Drop Down
Valued Member
Valued Member


Joined: December 13 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 1219
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Corn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2006 at 7:11pm
Amen Joe on the H2H in Indo
Speculation is the only tool we have with a threat that can circle the globe in 30 days. Test results&news is slow.Factor in human conditions,politics, money&bingo!The truth!Facts come after the fact.
Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Guest Group
Guest Group
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2006 at 8:14pm

Is WHO actually being allowed into Indonesia to see what is happening?  To me, it seems like the Indonesian government is just providing them only the information they are willing to release - the news articles that I have read do not mention WHO staff on the ground or helping to provide technical assistance within the country as they did in Turkey and currently in Africa.  That would make a big difference in how they can analyze what is going on.  If this is the case, WHO would be getting the same news as we are seeing via the government official news releases.  I suppose the same comment could be made with India and China as well.  I do not see WHO in there.  I do not think they were "invited", so they would not be allowed into the country to assess what is actually happening.

In the following update on India, it seems like WHO is practically begging India to provide them with samples to evaluate (so we have to assume they are not currently getting them...):

Avian influenza – situation in India – update

23 February 2006

The Ministry of Health and Family Welfare in India has informed WHO that no human cases of H5N1 infection have been detected to date. Tests conducted on samples taken from persons under investigation and their close contacts have yielded no positive results as of today.

Testing has been undertaken at the National Institute of Virology in Pune and the National Institute of Communicable Diseases in Delhi.

It was not clear if samples from a 27-year-old poultry worker from Gujarat State, said to have died of respiratory disease on 17 February, were among those tested.

In India, as in all countries experiencing their first outbreaks of highly pathogenic H5N1 avian influenza, WHO strongly recommends that patient samples be sent to a WHO collaborating laboratory for diagnostic confirmation. Certainty about the status of human cases in a newly affected country is important for accurate risk assessment.

In addition, analyses conducted by WHO-approved laboratories can yield information about the possible evolution of the virus and clues about how the virus may have arrived in the country. Genetic and antigenic studies of circulating viruses also help ensure that work on the development of a pandemic vaccine stays on track.

http://www.who.int/csr/don/2006_02_23/en/index.html

Back to Top
CupcakeMom View Drop Down
Adviser Group
Adviser Group
Avatar

Joined: January 20 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 140
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CupcakeMom Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 25 2006 at 9:33pm
Excellent point, Sniff -- from cupcake
Back to Top
seesthelight View Drop Down
V.I.P. Member
V.I.P. Member


Joined: January 28 2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 194
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote seesthelight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2006 at 1:18pm
[QUOTE sniffs

In India, as in all countries experiencing their first outbreaks of highly pathogenic H5N1 avian influenza, WHO strongly recommends that patient samples be sent to a WHO collaborating laboratory for diagnostic confirmation. Certainty about the status of human cases in a newly affected country is important for accurate risk assessment.

In addition, analyses conducted by WHO-approved laboratories can yield information about the possible evolution of the virus and clues about how the virus may have arrived in the country. Genetic and antigenic studies of circulating viruses also help ensure that work on the development of a pandemic vaccine stays on track.

http://www.who.int/csr/don/2006_02_23/en/index.html

[/QUOTE]

We do hope this is what is in the works...figuring out how the virus replicates is also going to be helpful in finding a vaccine.

Scientists discover how flu viruses replicate

Influenza viruses enter cells and reproduce their own genetic material

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11022516/

Jan.25 2006
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down