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    Posted: January 21 2021 at 3:17am

https://english.sakshi.com/news/international/pfizer-vaccine-12k-people-test-covid-positive-after-coronavirus-shot-israel

In a major hit to the authenticity and effectiveness of Pfizer/BioNtech vaccine, it was revealed that more than 12,000 recipients in Israel have tested COVID-19 positive.

To check the effectiveness and to monitor the health condition of immunized people, Israel's health ministry made around 189,000 recipients go through the Covid test. More than 6 percent of the recipients, tested positive after receiving the COIVD shot. Around 65 of them were even done with the final stage of immunization and had received their second shot as well.

Just like most countries, even Israel launched their vaccine drive with a plan divided in stages. On December 19, they launched the first stage. During this stage, the frontline health workers, elderly and people with medical conditions will be inoculated.

More than quarter of the Israel population have received the vaccine and many of them got their second shot as well. A total of 2.2 million (25.6%) citizens have been immunized till now.

But the Israel's coronavirus commissioner, Nachman Ash said that just a single dose of the vaccine is less effective than they hoped it would be. You need both the doses. Since the second dose can only be administered after at least a wait of 21 days, it has put the health experts in even bigger concern.

Pfizer explained that a single dose of their vaccine is around 52% effective, but after getting the second dose it becomes about 95% effective. This does not seem to be the case for Israel.

Even with the vaccines rolling out, there has been no major relief for Israelis. Due to the mutated strain and the continuation of breaking the rules by its people, the virus keeps spreading rapidly.

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Just because you have been vaccinated,

Dosnt mean you can't get infected with a virus that goes for 

Any  vaccine,just means to you won't get as sick..... hopefully.....lol 

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Looking at Israel numbers [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/ just under 580,000 positive tested cases on a population of just over 9 million...so 8,5 million did not yet get infected (in the official numbers)...

[url]https://www.debka.com/mivzak/second-day-of-downward-covid-curve/[/url] or https://www.debka.com/mivzak/second-day-of-downward-covid-curve/

The first two weeks of Israel’s strict countrywide lockdown are beginning to take effect. The coronavirus R coefficient dropped on Wednesday below 1 to 0.99 for the first time, even in the hotbed ultra-religious and Arab communities. The hope now is that when the current closures finally end on Jan. 31, they will not be extended again. At the same time, 8,174 new infections were recorded on Wednesday and 9pc of all tests were positive. Hospital patients include 1,132 serious cases of whom 367 are in critical condition and 317 on ventilators. The number of mortalities now totals 4,181.

Vaccinations are conversely on the rise, with the rate up to 200,000 for the second day in a row. More than 700,000 have now received their second dose. A total of 2,230 million Israelis are now fully immunized.

DJ 2,230,000 and 580,000 makes 2,810,000 have some form of immunity-not even 30%....

Debka also reported the UK variant spreading a.o. in the orthodox community. 

On vaccination-immunity only starts, two, three weeks after vaccination and is "limited" after a first shot-very likely even more limited when dealing with variants. The best one may hope vaccination prevents severe disease I guess...

If of the 700.000 people (and 95% protection)  5% is not fully protected that still makes 35,000 people...

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BBC News - Covid: Israel vaccine fears 'out of context and inaccurate'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55734257

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Originally posted by carbon20 carbon20 wrote:

BBC News - Covid: Israel vaccine fears 'out of context and inaccurate'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55734257

This article does give more information.  After reading the first one I was left wondering if there was a control group and if so, what its numbers were.  (Without knowing this, the statement that 6% tested positive is meaningless.)  This one shows that the vaccine is working, but maybe not as well as they hoped.  (But even this article is lacking in numbers.)

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The lesson from this is you need to wait for the vaccine to work,,,,,so don't go out parting the night after getting the first jab.  

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Originally posted by EdwinSm, EdwinSm, wrote:

The lesson from this is you need to wait for the vaccine to work,,,,,so don't go out parting the night after getting the first jab.  

Absolutely!!!

Believers don't need proof and sceptics won't accept proof.
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