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Topic: Leavitt says pandemic will last 12 to 18 months Posted: June 06 2006 at 3:47pm |
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 3:54pm |
Preparing for a Bird Flu Pandemic
What's Being Done and What Isn't
By SARA JUST
June 6, 2006 — - The Bush administration assumes that a deadly bird flu pandemic is coming.
The worst-case scenario is a repeat of the Spanish flu outbreak of 1918 that infected more than one in four Americans and resulted in the deaths of about 675,000 in this country alone.
Secretary of Health and Human Services Mike Leavitt said today that he must assume that a similar outbreak is coming soon. The problem, he said, is "we don't know if we are at 1905 right now, or 1917."
Scientists say that the influenza strain known as H5N1 that is infecting birds in various parts of the globe now may never make the leap from bird-to-bird transmission to human-to-human transmission that could lead to a catastrophic outbreak.
If so, the fear of a bird flu pandemic may be misdirected, but that does not mean we shouldn't be be prepared.
Leavitt said history should be the guide. Some pandemic -- whether it is H5N1 or another virus -- is virtually inevitable.
"There were 10 pandemics in the last 300 years. Three in the last 100 years. There is no reason to think the 21st century will be different," Leavitt said.
When and whether a pandemic comes, the Bush administration knows that many Americans will get their information from news outlets. With that in mind, the White House is holding briefings with reporters who are likely to play a key role in that coverage.
At a briefing today at the White House with reporters from the TV networks, Leavitt and Secretary of Agriculture Mike Johanns discussed their plans to "flood the zone" with information to media outlets when and whether a pandemic occurred.
Leavitt and Johanns discussed how the virus was being tracked now, in bird and poultry populations in the United States and around the world. They walked through some hypothetical examples.
While preparations are being made for various potential scenarios, Leavitt said there was no way to avoid some period of time when a pandemic would not be well contained and many people could get sick and die.
"The first six months of the pandemic, we're not going to have a vaccine," he said. That is because once there is a human-to-human outbreak, a vaccine that works against that strain of flu will need to be identified, manufactured and delivered.
Leavitt pointed out that one critical part of the response to a pandemic was not being handled by the federal government: distribution of vaccine and treatment. That important step is being passed to local governments.
The federal government has held about 55 summits with local authorities around the country. More meetings and war game-type exercises are being planned.
With local authorities in charge of the all-important distribution of medicines, how to prioritize who gets vaccine and treatment first? Who should go to the front of the line: the elderly, the sickest, the young, health-care workers or the military?
"This is a delicious conundrum," Leavitt said, acknowledging it was a "hard problem." He pointed out that any pandemic was likely to last about a year or a year and a half before it petered out. The country needs to be prepared to handle other disasters during that time too, Leavitt said.
"We could have four to five hurricanes during a pandemic, a bio-terror incident, natural disasters -- all during a pandemic. We need to preserve our capacity to respond" by keeping the military and other first-responders healthy and able to work, Leavitt said.
The government has established and is updating a Web site with more information about the flu pandemic: www.pandemicflu.gov
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 4:16pm |
Am sorry to say this but this may be Bush's legacy.
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 4:34pm |
"Am sorry to say this but this may be Bush's legacy"
Legacy? Is it George Bush's fault?
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 4:38pm |
If it DOES last that long, then I seriously doubt I'd survive. let's hope that it doesn't.
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 4:42pm |
Wondering where the notion/idea comes from, regarding time frame..duration of possible future pandemic. I am interested to know. Why do some people think this could be for so long..how long was the one in 1918, anyone have ideas where this comes from? Many of us that are prepping wont last for THAT long!!
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 4:45pm |
From what I remember or what I understand not everyone will be hit at the same time for all of the 18 months. Maybe different regions will be hit harder at times then others. So my question is even if there are only a "few" people in my area with BF do I quarantine? This is what will make it difficult for me to decide. I personally would be happy at home forever. I would never have to leave the rest of my life if I had supplies but my husband has to work...so if 1 person in my area gets it does he stay home? 10? 100? I just don't know. What do you all think?
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 5:04pm |
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Am sorry to say this but this may be Bush's legacy. |
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I guess it is not Bush after all!
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 5:08pm |
NZ er wrote:
Wondering where the notion/idea comes from, regarding time frame..duration of possible future pandemic. I am interested to know. Why do some people think this could be for so long..how long was the one in 1918, anyone have ideas where this comes from? Many of us that are prepping wont last for THAT long!! |
They are baseing this on the 1918 Pandemic which lasted aprox 18 months
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 5:11pm |
Right-o, its off to the shops I go ..once again!!!!
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 5:14pm |
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Am sorry to say this but this may be Bush's legacy. |
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 6:01pm |
Does he really describe the problem of choosing who gets the vaccine first a "delicious conundrum"? Since when is deciding who gets a better chance at life or death "delicious"?
The only delicious thing during a pandemic will be those big ol' piles of food in our basements...
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 7:25pm |
NZ er wrote:
Wondering where the notion/idea comes from, regarding time frame..duration of possible future pandemic. I am interested to know. Why do some people think this could be for so long..how long was the one in 1918, anyone have ideas where this comes from? Many of us that are prepping wont last for THAT long!! [IMG]height=17 alt=Cry src="http://www.avianflutalk.com/smileys/smiley19.gif" width=17 align=absMiddle> |
NZer, from what I have read about the 1918 flu, it came in 3 waves, several months apart. The second wave was stronger than the first. In between waves it is possible that some commodaties may be available, although I wouldn't bet on it, and things will be very expensive. From what I have read, power wouldn't be disrupted the entire time, so I have only planned to be without power for 6 months, on and off. As for food, after my 6-8 month supply of canned/bottled/boxed food runs out, I bought a book and some supplies for trapping and a rifle/ammo, extra veg. seeds, and a lot of flour, yeast and peanut butter and jelly. If you think about it, if you have planned for 6-8 months, you can probably stretch your supplies out to last much longer with a few additional preps. Just my thoughts on the topic.
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 7:33pm |
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"if you have planned for 6-8 months, you can probably stretch your supplies out to last much longer with a few additional preps. Just my thoughts on the topic."
My initial goal is 100 days for 4 people, and I shall step out from there until I run out of time.
If the equation is changed by more people or less food, I will go to short/half rations at about day 50.
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 7:43pm |
12 to 18 months...unbelievable. I could stock pile for a whole year but I know friends and family will be knocking on my door. Its not like I could turn them away. I need to get some seeds so I can grow some of my own.
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 7:50pm |
Some really great information here. Thanks! about the yeast and flour, do you have a good recipe to share? Also, do you happen to know when the best time is to plant vegetables on the east coat? Would you recommend planting them in pots on the deck?
Many Thanks!
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 7:52pm |
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Am sorry to say this but this may be Bush's legacy. | Why would this be a Bush legacy? He is not to blame for H5N1 nor any mutation of the virus! At least he has learned from Hurricane Katrina by having Leavitt going around to each of the states and telling everyone ahead of time to not count on the Feds for assistance and to start individual, community, and state planning.
Bill Clinton's "stained blue dress" is more of a legacy!!!
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 8:41pm |
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Some really great information here. Thanks! about the yeast and flour, do you have a good recipe to share? Also, do you happen to know when the best time is to plant vegetables on the east coat? Would you recommend planting them in pots on the deck?
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I could get you a basic bread recipe tomorrow, but I suggest you go to Sam's Club or similar and pick up a 25 pound bag for around $4.00 and look on the back for recipes. Also worth noting, yeast freezes well from what I am told. As for the vegetables, I live in Wisconsin, so I have provisions to plant in pots indoors if needed. I'm sure if you look around online you will find all the information you need for your area. Also worth noting though, depending on your surroundings, planting outside may invite neighbors to steel your vegetables. Some on this forum have suggested planting among flowers and bushes to hide them if you can.
Also as I am thinking, for those of you worried about buying enough bottled water, think long term and buy a cheap blow up pool and some tarps for collecting rain water and a couple bottles of plain Clorox (I think 8 drops per gallon is the ratio, but please post if I am wrong).
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 8:46pm |
Thanks for all your help everyone..I am trying to prep for 8. My plan is to ensure I have enough rice. .. I am using the rice idea in that .."we could live for a year and a half TOTALLY on ONLY the rice". I just cant figure how much that would be?? Anyone able to estimate ? We are not REALLY going to live wholly on rice, but I thought if I have enough rice that we actually CAN.... then this would be the perfect back up for other preps. (double the preps..in a way)
Actually this prepping idea is great isnt it..what I do is use a weeks worth of my stored preps for a weeks eating..the next week I replace all that I have used and then add further bits(usually anything on special that we would normally eat) I keep doing it this way and so am rotating all the time...as well as building it up.
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 9:13pm |
i thought i read that 12 to 18 months world wide but 3 months to got through the states
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 9:33pm |
How many people living in the inner cities of London or New York can afford to stock up for 12 to 18 days let alone up to 12 to 18 months. Most families on benefit in U.K have enough difficulty stretching their money to last a week, I don't think we will see a health minister in U.K advising people to stock up. At least Leavitt and the American government are trying to prepare the american public.
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 10:05pm |
Here are some usefull links to help with supplies published by the LDS Church.
Tracking Your Food Storage
When maintaining a year’s supply of food, it is wise to check the storage area regularly.
- Check bulk grain for rodent or insect infestation.
- Make sure the food is being rotated properly.
- Remove and dispose of any bulged cans or unsealed packages.
- Update a written inventory list.
How to Store
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 10:31pm |
400 pounds of grain per adult per year...60 pounds suger and beans, 10
quarts cooking oil...etc etc...oh lordy I thought I was doing well. Now
I realise that I haven't scraped the surface.
Is this for real? Over a pound of rice or other grains a day? I better rent a warehouse!
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 10:39pm |
Well that definitely rules out the averagre rabbit hutch dweller in the inner cities, guess they will have to eat cake!
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 10:46pm |
A simple way to find out how much rice you'll need per day is to do a test run for a couple of days.
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 10:49pm |
The price of flour mentioned at Sams Club is only 40% of what we pay in
New Zealand. I have notice over all that US prices are cheaper.
Jeez my dehydrator will be working overtime.
People will either have to shop and die or riot and die.
I'm increasing my prepping...again.
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 10:54pm |
Thanks Irene, great idea!!
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NZ er - Re: RICE
My 5 gal bucket (43 lb) says it provides 361 servings of 1/2 cup rice cooked with 2/3 c water for 5 grams protein & 150 calories/serving. If you go by calories, say 2,000/da, that would be 13 serving of just rice/da. Then, assuming my math is correct, the 5 gal bucket would last you about a month (but my family of 5 less than a week!)
I suggest you think lentils--much higher protein (16 grams of protein/serving). I am planning of cooking a variety of beans--lentils, soy, kidney, etc. and as they soften add seasoning, vegetables & rice (or Bisquit mix to make dumplings--easy recipe on box). Good Luck. And, thank you. Now I realize I need to buy much more rice, etc, etc.
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 11:12pm |
I freeze flour, beans, rice etc. to kill any bugs that could hatch.
I had a terrible moth problem once with rice and this prevents that problem.
(I keep them in the frezzer at max cool temp for around a week)
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 11:23pm |
A physician once recommended Ezekiel bread. I've read one can last for a year just eating it. I found a receipi on the net for it & it looks like all that is needed is hard red wheat (or substitutions of millet, garbanzo beans &/or lentils), spelt, barley, millet, lentils, great northern beans, red kidney beans & pinto beans, water, oil, yeast, honey or molasses & salt. You can also purchase ezekiel-mix to ground into flour & buy the bread already made-- & frozen--many places. I love it, my kids don't & can't have some of the ingredients. So though it isn't high on our list, I'd recommend it to anyone interested.
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Posted: June 06 2006 at 11:25pm |
Thanks all..just believing that the rice will be looking pretty darned good by the time all your preps are eaten and it will enable you to last those extra miles before venturing out again..stock up on plenty of spices, sauces, gravy, dried onion flakes, tuna.. whatever to add to the rice..it will keep you alive for back- up if it ever gets tougher than you have prepared for.
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 12:11am |
When we SIP, I plan to start with rice and beans first while the water and power are still running. That way we will have more canned food and other prepared goods when cooking fuel needs to be conserved.
That being said, my preps are about 60-70% rice, flour, legumes and sugar. I am going to need a hell of a lot of propane or gas for cooking or I may be reduced to burning my neighbor's trees (we live in the suburbs).
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 12:12am |
Don't forget that the protein in rice isn't complete. That's why a bean and rice combo is often suggested. Beans by themselves are also an incomplete protein. However, beans and rice together make a complete protein.
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Looking at this site... has anyone order from here?
Garden Seeds Sealed in a Can... I will order these... Multiple Varieties all easy to grow and should store for longer period in a can.
Found Ezekiel Bread Flour Here
Flours |
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Yes, I've ordered their stuff. Some of it might have come from emergency essentials though. (multiple orders) Everything came & seemed ok. There was a delay once or twice because they were temporairly out of something but the delay wasn't too long. I do NutraSystem (anyone need to diet?) and most of their products now are freezed dried (& $300/mo supply). I was looking around trying to find similar products when I bumped into Provident. I have some Mountain House cans too because it can be stored longer--like 30 years.
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 12:59am |
Ah rice. Sweet rice.
I married a lovely Vietnamese lady. There are 3 of us living
here. We eat rice two and sometimes three times a day. We
buy 20 kg bags for about $19 each. They last us about 1 month
each.
You can mix anything with rice to make it palatable. I've cooked
hamburger, dumped in a can of creamed mushroom soup and poured it over
rice. Pretty darn tasty if I do say so myself. Get some
spices for flavor and hot sauce. You can add raisons and crushed
nuts, etc.
I wouldn't worry too much about whether or not you will be getting an
incomplete or complete protein. Unless of course you plan on
spending your time lifting weights and hope to put on a few pounds of
muscle while striving to survive the pandemic. Our cushy lives
have us concerned about that sort of thing, but it really isn't that
important in a survival situation. Yes, if you can get complete
protein and all the daily allowances of all the vitamins, then
great. If you can't, then tough. Eat what you can, you're
more resilient than you may think.
After the pandemic passes, then we can get back to worrying about perfect nutrition.
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 1:12am |
Earwax.. thanks..I feel exactly the same... thats my plan anyway. Rice (in NZ) like just about everything.. seems a lot more costly than yours. However I feel this a great survival food for price and quantity.
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I would like to purchase dehydrated eggs, does anyone know where they are available? Do any grocery stores/health food stores carry them?
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 4:05am |
I'm a little puzzled about all this beans and rice stuff. I thought that I had been fairly painstaking in dietary planning. The complex carbs, dried vegetables and canned meats were no problem at all. They were cheap, easy to buy and easy to store. It was the fruit and green vegetables that really caused me aggravation.
The worst part, by far, was the huge collection of spices, sauces, soups and flavourings required to make the rice and beans edible. These were very costly.
We do have are very own eggspert if anyone wants to know about preserving eggs. Beth has cornered the market and is now running an egg liming production line in her basement. If it doesn't work, well, the hydrogen sulphide cloud could kill millions. Then there's the acid rain and then................
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Posted: June 07 2006 at 4:38am |
Here's a great food calculator that is in the Priority Preparations/Food section:
This link is for the downloadable program mentioned above: http://standeyo.com/News_Files/FTP_Files/DFPlanImp.zip (US Version) http://standeyo.com/News_Files/FTP_Files/DFPlanMet.zip (Metric Version)
It's an excel sheet. You go to the very bottom, plug in how long you are storing for and the ages/sex/# of individuals and it pops all the necessary amts. of most of the foods you can think of . You can adjust the time you are planning for or # of people etc. and it will automatically change how much your goal is. So if you are currently prepping for 3 mos. and change to 6 .... it will all be changed for you. Same if you are prepping for a family of 4 and then realize in-laws, etc. will be there too! It's AMAZING how under prepared I was going to be, till I started to use this! Now, I enter all my receipts from shopping in here, before I throw them out. And I can see right away where my 'holes' are for future shopping. Don't forget to DEDUCT what you take out of storage, to replace it! One you get going ... it's easy to maintain! -k
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I stocked up on some flour and yeast so that I can make bread to have with peanut butter and jelly. The yeast is pretty expensive. I know there was information posted here once on how to catch yeast. Would someone post it again. Thanks
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I stocked up on some flour and yeast so that I can make bread to have with peanut butter and jelly. The yeast is pretty expensive. I know there was information posted here once on how to catch yeast. Would someone post it again. Thanks |
buy your yeast at sams it is not expensive there. I always buy mine there.
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