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Thordawggy
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How many of us can live without bread? Not me. It stretches all the other preps out and it is cheaply done and filling Regular French bread ( Pain Ordinare) is made with only flour, yeast, salt and water. It can be baked in a dutch oven with coals, in your oven if gas or electiric is available and also on a grill if need be.
I just recently got into bread making and realized how easy it was to make the simple French bread. You can even put it in a fry pan with some hot oil to make puffs of stuff (like Navaho fry bread) and stuff it with whatever food you want or to spread it with peanut butter or jam or whatever.
I can't believe that I was actually paying $2 for a bagette at the grocery store! Not any more. Don't worry about your home being too cold for the dough to rise. I will rise - just needs more time to do so.
If you don't have any yeast, you can make your own starter with just some flour and water and left for a couple of days to ferment. If your starter is good, it will smell like beer.
I love bread making now!
This kind of thread has probably been posted a million times here but I cannot help repeating it because it is easy and cheap to make.
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Hi Thordawggy,
I made homemade bread for awhile several years ago. Just the act of kneading it and the smell makes you feel good. I stopped because neither my husband or I have much self control with good bread. We would eat an entire loaf in an evening. I plan to store bags of flour and yeast in an small garage freezer so that we can have bread and torillas while homebound. I've been canning butter too because homemade bread and real butter can keep me happy for a long time. Have you ever baked it in a dutch oven on the grill? Our oven is gas, but it's a wall oven with all the digital stuff and won't work if the electricity is out. At least we'll still have the rangetop unless we lose gas service. I picked up one of those coleman camp ovens but they are pretty small. |
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Yes, I have baked bread in a dutch oven outside with coals on the top and under the pot on the cement patio. It tastes even better that way but you will attract the neighbors. :-)
I have not yet tried it on the grill. I would put the dutch oven up on a trivet or something even higher as long as the BBQ lid will close. Put it on the lowest setting you can and check it regularly. If it smells like toast it is probably too high but can still be eaten and enjoyed.
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Thanks Thordawggy! I think my husband would love it toasted.
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Hi Thordawggy,
Sounds great! I have never made bread before and would like to give it a try. Can you please post the recipe. Thanks!
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Thordawggy
I need to try that - we are guilty of buying bread - we did have a bread maker but it no longer works. We should know how to make bread by hand.
Now important question - the flower and water that smells like beer - does it also take like beer ?
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Scotty
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I got into this about three months ago. I found it was incredibly easy to bake a "good quality" loaf. No matter how hard I try I can't make it turn out like the soft, soggy glue like substance that people tend to prefer. How do they do that?
Second snag is that the smell drives me crazy and I just eat it. I mean all of it. That's not a good way to save money, you know?
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Same problem here Scotty. Good bread is very hard to resist. That's the main reason I stopped making it - we were just eating way too much of it. I'd rationalize that it wouldn't keep long anyway due to lack of preservatives, but we were getting fat ... LOL!
I think we'd have a little more self control during an emergency, but you never know - better fat than starving. |
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Another possibility for those who stocked up on beer is beer batter bread. It's not the same as yeast bread, but it's fast, easy and doesn't require any kneading or rising time.
Beer Batter Bread 3 cups self rising flour 3 Tablespoons sugar 12 oz. room temp beer Mix all together and pour into a regular bread pan..Bake 350 about 30 minutes or until lighly browned on top....Remove when cool enough to handle and place on rack. =================== Beer Batter Bread Recipe from Williams-Sonoma 45 MINUTES To make: 10 minutes To cook: 35 minutes 3 cups unbleached all-purpose flour 3 tablespoons firmly packed light brown sugar (or dark brown) 1 tablespoon baking powder 1 teaspoon salt 1 bottle beer at room temperature 4 tablespoons unsalted butter, melted, plus extra for greasing and serving Preheat the oven to 375 degrees. Grease a 9-by-5-inch loaf pan. In a bowl, stir together the flour, brown sugar, baking powder and salt. Open the beer and add it all at once; it will foam up. Stir briskly just until combined, about 20 strokes. The batter should be slightly lumpy. Pour into the prepared loaf pan and drizzle with the melted butter. Bake until the top is crusty and a cake tester inserted into the center comes out clean, 35-40 minutes. Let rest in the pan for 5 minutes, then turn the loaf out onto a rack. Serve warm or at room temperature the day it is made. Cut into thick slices and accompany with plenty of butter. Makes 1 9-inch loaf or 12 servings. |
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Less than 50 years ago, and before that, bread was a staple of life to such a degree that most people today couldn't imagine.
Might be a good idea to start remembering little things like that.
You can figure on using about 45 lbs of flour per person per month, when it all goes to Hell in a Handbasket...
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I bake all my own bread and tortillas. As a point of reference I make about 12 loaves a week and use about 25 lbs of flour every two weeks. I have a family of 8. Husband and oldest two sons are big eaters, littlest three don't eat much.
I do not have a bread maker and it takes me about 15 minutes to mix two loaves, not including raising time. Making bread is easy. Even my 13 year old, football playing, butt scratching son can do it.
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Here is a good one! It is simple yet it does use a starter that you just make the night before (a poolish) and very easy. Make a double batch to use the next day. Very simple recipe and it looks goooood!
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Easy, easy bread:
Briefly Mix: 3 cups lukewarm water, 1/3 cup sugar (or honey), 1/3 cup canola (or just vegetable) oil, 1 cup bread flour, 1 Tb salt, 1 1/2 Tb yeast, 1 Tb dough enhancer (if available).
Add: aprx. 6 cups flour (white, wheat or combination) until dough is soft, but manageable.
Knead for 8 minutes. Can use a dough hook on a kitchen aid or Bosch or by hand.
Split in two and shape into two loaves. Spray or crisco pans.
Rise until double (about 2 inches over top of pans)
Bake for aprx. 45 min at 350. Can check for doneness by popping bread out of pan and using meat thermometer. 180-200 degrees is done.
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Starches are my worst diet nightmare. I try not to have potatoes or bread in the house because i love them so much. I don't eat healthy if i keep them in stock. For my preps i have lots and lots of potatoes and the makings for plenty of breads. Any kind of bread will do, lol. Thanks to everyone for sharing.
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iknut, thanks for the recipes! Beer bread sounds good. Do you know if you can use stale beer or does it need the carbination? I am asking because I can get some beer now to store even though for drinking it doesn't last long. I was hoping it could be used for bread say, a year from now?
Edited to say that I don't usually drink beer. I drink whiskey.
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Ironstone, I know what you mean. I made two loaves of French bread yesterday and a loaf of rye bread. The caraway rye and one loaf of the French are more than half gone for the two of us. I wrapped the other French in 3 layers of plastic wrap and put it in a 2 gallon zip lock in the freezer. If frozen immediately upon cooling, it will keep its moisture content pretty good.
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Old beer for beer bread - I'm not sure. I would think it needs the carbonation. The recipe I've actually made called for an entire stick of butter to be poured into a single loaf. It was good, but I don't think we'll want to use that much butter on a loaf of bread during the "hometime". The texture of beer batter bread is more cake-like, denser than yeast bread.
I've had beer in the frig for long time and it was still carbonated. We don't normally drink unless we have guests and stock up before they come so there is often leftover beer. Plus hubby hauls a lot of it to bike rallys and brings home what's left and it sometimes sits in the garage for weeks before finding a home in the frig. You can use regular flour and follow these directions for making it self rising: Turn all-purpose flour into one cup of self-rising flour by adding 1 1/2 teaspoon baking powder and 1/2 teaspoon salt to one cup all-purpose flour. I need to pick up beer yet - both for bread and drinking. Plan to prepackage and seal bags with the dry ingredients for a loaf so it'll be super easy to throw together. Just add one warm beer and bake. |
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sis. slcmom - at 25 lbs of flour every two weeks, I'm assuming you mix ground wheat & regular flour ... how much wheat total are you using along with how much flour? Is the 25lb total mixed wheat and reg flour?
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PS slcmom, is that the 2-hr recipe from the basic food storage cookbook?
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slcmom
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Yes, I currently mix freshly ground wheat with regular (unbleached) flour, but only because I don't have an electric wheat grinder yet. I've made the bread with all wheat and I prefer it with hard white wheat. Hard red is good too, but a little dense for my family's taste. 25 lb is the total amount, (but only approximate). To get a more accurate estimate of what you'd need, it's about 3 cups of flour per loaf. You can usually get about 4 cups of flour per pound. My total also includes other baking.
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Thanks Thordawggy and the other for links and recipes. I really now that it is important to learn this now. Thanks again.
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I prefer the hard white wheat (and have a noisy KTek) as well.
Although I've never used them, just how does the dough enhancer and gluten work - as additives? What does that do for the bread, make it lighter, softer.
You have yourself a manual grinder?
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Sweetpea:
I don't add gluten, just what's in the bread flour. The dough enhancer is basically soy and helps the bread raise more evenly since the recipe is without eggs. I've made it both ways (with and without dough enhancer) and the difference is not dramatic.
This bread freezes well, but because it doesn't have preservatives, doesn't taste fresh after a couple of days.
Yes I have a manual grinder. Do you make bread?
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To freshen stale bread:
Preheat oven to 300
put the bread into a paper bag that has been sprinkled with water
put in oven for about 15 mins.
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Yes, I make bread ... I also read a post, yesterday I believe, about using soy flour in place of eggs - makes sense to me when fresh eggs are hard to store and dehyd eggs are kinda pricy! I'll give your recipe a try since it freezes well ... I grew up - away from traditional cooking here. I grew up on a small farm in Sanpete county, learned to bake bread, can, garden, etc. DH grew up with traditional foods, so I had to learn on my own to make frybread and tortillas - more in the past couple years as well ... the tortillas are a family favorite, so I try to find ways to make them more nutritious ... frybread - we have that when everybody feels like Navajo Tacos ...
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Thordwaggy Thank you for your tips.. Please can we have that frend bread recipe. I've never made bread without a bread machine and would love to try before I really have to.. I copied most of the recipes so thank you to all.. One of the recipe say. I make a sponge with 1 cup of wheat bread This was the Lazy bread recipe..What's a sponge? Beside something I do dishes with? LOL I feel stupid asking because I bake all the time.
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One way of making bread without yeast is to make Irish soda bread. The downside is you would need buttermilk. Still I understand that is available in powdered form from Walton Feed. Below is a good website that tells about Irish soda bread. A traditional recipe is below that link. Some modern variations have seeds and or fruit in them.
Another possibility for bread made without yeast is Amish Friendship Bread. There are many sites on the web with recipes and variations for this. Amish Friendship Bread is very easy to make and very versatile.
Irish Soda Bread
Ingredients: 3 1/2 cups all-purpose flour 1 tsp. baking soda 1 tsp. salt 1 1/2 cups buttermilk. Method: Edited by P_S_N - April 12 2006 at 2:05am |
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Buttermilk powder is in many grocery stores in the baking aisle. To save on it, just add some to mixed dry milk and leave set for a few hours. The whole thing will turn into buttermilk.
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Most "soda" breads require an acid to activate the "soda".. If Buttermilk is not available, a small amount of vinegar will also do the trick. Probably would not use it unless no other option or having northern beans (got to have vinegar and chopped onion for beans !).
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Or for buttermilk, another way is to mix 1 TB vinegar to 1 cup milk prepared from powdered nonfat milk. Let sit for a few minutes to properly sour.
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GREAT TIP! I've been making bread and "little breads" for years but never heard that one. THANKS !
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Glad that helps. I use that trick for buttermilk pancakes too. |
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Don't forget dill pickle juice instead of plain vinegar! It worked well in rye bread. |
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Happy camper - a sponge is like a starter but it only needs to develope for a period of hours instead of days. There are many kinds. Just make whatever kind is part of the recipe that you want to make.
They poof up like it is going to crawl out of the bowl. Sometimes you can hear it poofing. Looks creepy too.
Heh heh heh........
Think the Sci Fi Channel. Edited by Thordawggy - April 12 2006 at 4:48pm |
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I love that site www.thefreshloaf.com , they give coomplete sessions and a ton of great recipes. Thanks for providing such a great resource!!
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Thanks all of you for the buttermilk and vinegar advice. I don't normally drink it so except for the soda bread would not use it. I will check my baking section for the powdered form when I go shopping this week. Glad to know about the vinegar trick. That I keep around all the time, mostly for cleaning.
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Tortillas:
5 Cups Flour
1 teaspoon baking powder
1 teaspoon salt
2/3 C nonfat dry milk powder
1/2 Cup canola oil
2 cup water
Mix dry ingredients together and then make a hole in your bowl to pour wet ingredients into. Using your hands mix together until it forms a soft dough. it shouldn't be sticky but easy to handle.
Pull off golf ball size balls and roll out. Cook on both sides till done.
I have a bowl of flour on my bar that I dip the balls into before I roll them out. You'll use a lot of flour on your bar as well. The key is to get them thin. Someone else on this forum suggested using oil instead of flour.
Rocky, there is a separate thread in the Priority Preparations forum under dutch oven cooking, but the short version is I use charcoal in lieu of regular coals because I can control heat better. Check that thread and then let me know if you have questions that maybe I can answer. Hope that helps.
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Thanks for the recipe, sicmom. I will chase down the thread for dutch oven cooking. Rocky
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TheFreshloaf.com IS great. Last month they featured a raisin, cinammon oatmeal bread. It is soooo good!. The recipe makes 3 loaves but I had the large loaf pans so I made just two big ones. It is the best raisin bread that I have ever had which is a lot to say since I made it and I am new at doing it.
Tomorrow I am going to try to type out the French bread recipe from the book that I have at home mentioned in a previous response. It is easy and very good. Our scanner isn't big enough to do it that way as the book is very large. It will be good typing practice. You will need a very large bowl for rising it as it triples in volume during rising all three times. I use a big stainless steel bowl. It makes four baguettes or 2 rounds or 2 large loaves. You can also bake it in big loaf pans too (for sandwich style slices).
Hey, if anyone has the Bernard Clayton Complete Book of Breads and can type well, look up the Pain Ordinair Careme recipe and type away!
I ain't lazy, just slow.
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French bread. Don’t be intimidated by the length of this recipe. It is really easy and good. It is from Bernard Clayton's New Complete Book of Breads. Pain Ordinaire Careme (a daily bread) (Four baguettes, boules or couronnes) Note from me: I usually make 2 large long loafs or put them in two large bread pans. This excellent bread is made with hard wheat bread flour to give the dough the ability to withstand the expansion it undergoes when it rises more than 3 times its original volume. Baking at high heat provides the oven –spring that makes possible the formation of a large cellular structure, the distinguishing characteristics of pain ordinaire. Ingredients 6 cups bread or unbleached flour, approximately (me: ways use bread flour) 2 packages of dry yeast or the same amount of the jarred yeast 2 ½ cups hot water (120 – 130 degrees) 2 teaspoons each of salt and water. Baking sheet or pans (me: I am trying a baking stone this weekend) 1 baking sheet, Teflon or greased and sprinkled with cornmeal, or 4 baguette pans. (what is a baguette pan anyway?) By hand or mixer 10 minutes The early part of this preparation, beating a batter, can be done by an electric mixer. However, don’t overload a light mixer with this thick batter. If by hand, stir vigorously for an equal length of time. Measure 3 or 4 cups of flour into the mixing bowl and add the yeast and hot water. The mixer flat beater or whisk should run without due strain. The batter will be smooth and pull away from the sides as the gluten develops. It may also try to climb up the beaters and into the motor. If it does, shoot it. Oh, I mean push it down with a rubber scraper. Mix for 10 minutes. When about finished, dissolve the 2 teaspoons of water and 2 teaspoons of salt and add it to the batter. Blend for 30 seconds or more. Kneading 10 minutes If the machine has a dough hook, continue with it and add additional flour, ¼ of a cup at a time, until the dodough has formed under the hook and cleans the sides of the bowl. If it is sticky and clings, add sprinkles of flour. Knead for 10 minutes. If by hand, add additional flour to the beaten batter, ½ cup at a time, stirring first with a utensil and then working by hand. When the dough is shaggy but a solid mass, turn onto a work surface and begin kneading with an aggressive push-turn-fold motion. If the dough is sticky, toss down sprinkles of flour. Break the kneading rhythm occasionally by throwing the dough down hard against the countertop – an excellent way to encourage the development of the dough. First Rising Place the dough in a large greased bowl, cover with plastic wrap, and leave at room temperature for two hours. (me: our house is always cool so it takes 2 and a half or 3 hours to triple in size) The dough will more than triple in volume – and may even be pushing against the plastic covering. (yes) Second Rising Turn back the plastic wrap and trun the dough onto the work surface to knead briefly, about 3 minutes. Return the dough to the bowl and re-cover with wax paper. Allow to rise to more than triple its volume again, about 1 ½ hours (or more). Shaping The dough will be light and puffy. Turn it onto the floured work surface and punch it down. Don’t be surprised if it pushes back, for it is quite resilient. Divide into as many pieces as you wish loaves. One quarter of the recipe will a baguette 22 inches long and 3 inches to 4 inches in diameter. Allow pieces of dough to rest for 5 minutes before shaping. For boules or round loaves, shape the pieces into balls. Place in cloth lined baskets or place directly on the baking sheet. For baguettes, roll and lengthen each dough piece under your palms to 16 to 20 inches and 3 or 4 inches in diameter. (me: or two HONKIN’ big loaves) (me: I left out the instructions for making a crown loaf. Let me know if you want it. It involves twising some long lengths of dough together and making a round thing by circling it up to look like a bee hive.) Third Rising 1 Hour Cover the loaves with a cloth, preferably of wool (me: NOT!. I use one of those light muslin towel things. Cut open an old pillow case to use if you want.) The cloth allows air to reach the loaves and to form a light crust. Leave at room temperature until the dough has risen to more than double its size, about 1 hour (or more) Preheat Before preheating the oven to 450 degrees (very hot) 20 minutes before baking, place a broiler pan on the floor or bottom rack of the oven so it will be there later. Five minutes before baking, pour 1 cup of hot water into the hot pan. Watch out for splashes and steam. Baking 450 Degrees 25-30 minutes Carefulling move the loaves in to the baking sheets and pans to the baking sheet if the bread didn’t rise on the baking sheet. Make diagonal cuts down the lengths of the long loaves and tic-tac-toe designs on the rounds loaves. (me: when I make two large loaves, I put 3 or 4 diagonal slits in the top) Place on the middle rack of the oven. The loaves are done when a golden brown, 25 to 30 minutes. Turn one loaf over and if the bottom crust sounds hard and hollow when tapped, the loaf is done. Final Step (me: phew!) Place on a rack to cool. One of the exciting sounds in the kitchen is the crackle of French bread as it cools. Crackle away! (me: I had to stick my ear right next to the bread to hear anything.) Now grab a stick of butter and rip off a huge hunk and have at it! If you print this you will need to change the font color to see it. Edited by Thordawggy - April 14 2006 at 2:29pm |
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Thank you so much for the french Bread recipe. I really appreciate it. For all those that want to copy it and put into a word document or any other program. 1. Copy the recipe by (Clicking on Ctrl A ) This will copy the entire recipe.
2. Paste it into you document. Because the document is White you need to change the color...An Easy way to do this is
Hold down Ctrl A at same time...It must be the same time. This will highlight you entire document.... No more holding, scrolling, dragging.
3.Then click on the Text color you prefer.
Thank you Thordawggy for the recipe and the direction to change the color
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Thank you for telling folks the best way to copy it if they want to.
Much appreciated.
Tomorrow is no French bread for me. I am going to make tortillas for the first time! Wish me luck. I just re-seasoned my round griddles. To test them, I made over easy eggs. Only broke one egg (because I am clumsy!)
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I haven't tried this one yet, but it looks EASY.
Batter White Bread Ingredients : 6 1/2 cup All-purpose flour 2 pkt "Instant Dry Yeast" 3 tbl Sugar 1 tbl Salt 3 cup Warm water 2 tbl Shortening Method : Butter or grease pans No kneading necessary on this one folks. Oven 375 degrees In large mixer bowl, combine 3 1/2 cups flour, yeast, sugar and salt Mix well. Add warm water (125 degrees or so) and shortening to flour mixture. Blend at low speed until moistened, beat 3 minutes at med. speed. By hand, gradually stir in remaining flour to make a stiff batter. Cover and allow to rise in warm place until double. About 30 mins. Stir down batter. Spread in greased 9x5 or 8x4 bread pans. Cover and allow to rise until batter reaches tops of pans, (about 20-30 mins) Bake at 375 degrees for about 35-40 mins til golden brown. Remove from the pans and brush with butter. Allow to cool. |
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thanx for the "french bread" recipe Thordawggy - went and got a french loaf pan last week while you was posting ... now I can give yer recipe a try ...
Just a note ... KitchenAid mixers can handle up to 6 and a bit cups of flour, any larger you'd have to look at the Bosch mixers which can safely handle the larger amounts ... otherwise, ya gotta do it by hand ... and what a workout that will be!!
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Sweatpea - I got a Wolfgang Puck stand mixer that has an extra heavy motor and does the 6 cup mixes. I couldn't afford a Kitchen Aid so got the Puck one on the Sams Club auction site. More motor power than the KA and has a shut off it it gets too heavy. Unfortunately, it is made in China. I hate buying crap from China.
You will need at least 2 French bread pans for that recipe. Where did you get them? I would like a couple myself.
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