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    Posted: September 16 2022 at 9:44pm

DJ, 

Yesterday I stated that either we get de-escalation or we are on our way to (forms of) global conflict(s)...two directions...

Is there some movement towards de-escalation ? 

I think there may be some...

-In Samarkand at the SCO meeting Modi-Putin had talks a.o. on Ukraine. Modi "this is no time for war" may indicate a view seen in more parts of Asia. 

Increase of lots of conflicts around Russia, China -no doubt with a major role of the US/CIA- are NOT welcomed by a lot of countries...They would like to find ways for de-escalation...

Since there may be no point in talking to the US, the motor behind wars, they may try to find partners in Europe, elsewhere...

A possible diplomatic effort of India (Egypt, Indonesia) trying to bridge the gap between Ukraine and Russia would be more then welcome...However they may have tried this road many times...There was some kind of agreement made in Türkiye between Ukraine and Russia...but UK-bojo, and US sabotaged that deal "weakening Russia"....

-The economic damage for "the west" is getting major. The west is running out of weapons they can send to Ukraine. Elections-like the one in Sweden-may bring an end to pro-war governments...For that matter the mid-term november US elections are important...

Ideas of sanctions for Turkish banks working with Russia may also damage the position of Turks living in the EU...trying to get money to family in Türkiye. 

Most EU countries now claim to have enough (often Russian !) oil/gas in storage the coming winter should not bring major problems...besides that the idea was to import electricity from countries still doing bussiness with Russia or from Ukraine...DJ-I doubt the claim that the EU has enough energy stored for winter...part of the story may be to decrease energy prices...


So economic reasons may push for de-escalation. But ideology -Russia phobia- saving US$, western dominance push towards further escalation...

[url]https://southfront.org/new-wave-of-israeli-strikes-on-damascus-airport-leaves-five-syrian-service-members-dead/[/url] or https://southfront.org/new-wave-of-israeli-strikes-on-damascus-airport-leaves-five-syrian-service-members-dead/ Syria

[url]https://southfront.org/in-video-azerbaijani-troops-storm-armenian-position-in-karabakh/[/url] or https://southfront.org/in-video-azerbaijani-troops-storm-armenian-position-in-karabakh/ Azerbaijan/Armenia

[url]https://southfront.org/escalation-on-the-kyrgyz-tajik-border-gaining-momentum/[/url] or https://southfront.org/escalation-on-the-kyrgyz-tajik-border-gaining-momentum/ Kyrgyzistan/Tajikistan (North West of Pakistan, "central Asia")

US increase weapon export to Taiwan, NATO moving into Moldova ????, Kosova-Serbia tensions...Iraq...we are moving from a uni-polar; US/west dominance to a multi polar-in fact no country dominating global affairs-world. That proces in itself can bring lots of chaos...

End of part 1...will update, put extra info...I see the present international crisis as a major risk for human survival. The "west" not willing to go for diplomacy, pushing for regime change where ever they want, has to change "its actions" or we ALL pay the price.

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[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/breaking-news-turkey-mobilizing-45-000-reserve-troops-toward-armenia-border-iran-mobilizing-regular-army-with-heavy-armor-to-same-area[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/breaking-news-turkey-mobilizing-45-000-reserve-troops-toward-armenia-border-iran-mobilizing-regular-army-with-heavy-armor-to-same-area DJ-sometimes Hal Turner has good info...sometimes he brings non-sense...I do not agree with a lot of his views...but this is not meant to discuss HT himself...

The link includes a video indicating NATO (French, US flag on military vehicles) moving into Moldova. 

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/breaking-news-turkey-mobilizing-45-000-reserve-troops-toward-armenia-border-iran-mobilizing-regular-army-with-heavy-armor-to-same-area[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/breaking-news-turkey-mobilizing-45-000-reserve-troops-toward-armenia-border-iran-mobilizing-regular-army-with-heavy-armor-to-same-area

In addition, REPORTS (unverified) are coming out of Moldova today indicating NATO Armor may be moving into Moldova from Romania.  Awaiting verification of those reports. 

We CAN VERIFY that the United States/NATO has mustered a very significant number of HIMARS Multiple Launch Rocket Systems on the Romania border with Moldova.  Video below, taken today, September 16, 2022, shows the HIMARS on the roads inside Romania AT the border of Moldova.   

From this position, these HIMARS can completely cross over the territory of Moldova and enter southwestern Ukraine, hitting (Russian) targets there.

DJ...Main NATO routes into Ukraine so far went from Poland...Is Romania now also being pushed in that direction...Moldova bribed into NATO ? 

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In what is the most south-east part of Europe; Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia see more (preparations for) war. The Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict restarted shortly after talks on a new Iran-deal failed...Georgia restarting the 2008 war against Russia will have a major US/NATO role...NATO forces/military aid for Georgia ? 

All three countries are former member states of the Soviet Union...just like Ukraine, Moldova, and more to the east Kyrgyzistan and Tajikistan...

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republics_of_the_Soviet_Union#/media/File:Soviet_Union_Administrative_Divisions_1989.jpg[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republics_of_the_Soviet_Union#/media/File:Soviet_Union_Administrative_Divisions_1989.jpg a map of the USSR in 1989

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republics_of_the_Soviet_Union[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republics_of_the_Soviet_Union background..

from Hal Turner;

The attack by Azerbaijan against Armenia is already escalating very severely.  That attack commenced on Tuesday.  Yesterday, Iran began mobilizing troops to protect its border with Armenia and told Azerbaijan they will "not tolerate a change in Armenia geography."  Today, Turkey began moving 45,000 Reserve troops because they support Azerbaijan, and Iran upped the ante by commencing movement of heavy armor to back-up its troops.

Within days, the world could see the outbreak of yet another war; this on the south side of Russia . . . which is precisely what NATO. the EU and the USA want, so as to create havoc and require Russia to fight two wars on two fronts.

This all due to Russia entering Ukraine to de-Nazify it.

 

UKRAINE NAZI STATUS

Those claiming Ukraine is "not Nazi" and further claiming that "it is only propaganda," would do well to analyze CNN video from today

Here is a still image from a CNN report celebrating Ukraine's counter-offensive which recaptured some territory previously conquered by Russia.   

Note the white Cross painted on the front of the Ukrainian tank . . . and then note the image below fRom World War 2, showing what is on the side of the NAZI tanks from World War 2 . . . the exact same logo as the Ukrainians are using today on their tanks.

Ukraine has, in fact, gone NAZI.   By aiding and abetting Ukraine, the United States and the European Union are, in fact, NAZI Collaborators. 

NATO ARMOR MOVING INTO MOLDOVA

This morning, a column of NATO Heavy Armor crossed the border from Romania into Moldova . . . clearly preparing for operations against Russian Crimea in support of Ukraine.

Here's video of Moldovans protesting and stopping the NATO column:

HAL TURNER ANALYSIS AND EDITORIAL OPINION

We are now clearly seeing actual evidence of World War 3 preparations.  OUR GOVERNMENT in the USA, conspiring with governments in Europe, are literally moving troops and armor into position to fight a war against Russia, which WILL lead to nuclear war.

Russia has told the world form the beginning that if NATO comes against Russia, "it will be a war that no one will win."  Those were the precise words of Russian President Vladimir Putin.   

As most readers know all-to-well, the only "war that no one will win" is a nuclear war.

Yet our government is preparing to take actions that will result in exactly that.

DJ, in an updated version;

Ukraine has, in fact, gone NAZI.   By aiding and abetting Ukraine, the United States and the European Union are, in fact, NAZI Collaborators. 

 

REPORTS OF NATO ACTIVITIES IN MOLDOVA & GEORGIA

Four months ago, in April 2022, AFTER Russia had entered Ukraine, NATO began making overtures to the countries of Moldova, and Georgia. Below is video of NATO Chief Stoltenberg with the leaders of both those countries:

Here we are, just 5 short months later, in the country of Georgia, the political leadership moved to hold a public referendum on re-starting the war they had with Russia back in 2008, in which Georgia lost a land area known as South Ossetia. The map below shows the area:

 

 

Starting a second front would, it is thought, provide relief to Ukraine by forcing Russia to fight on two fronts.

In addition, REPORTS (unverified) are coming out of Moldova today indicating NATO Armor may be moving into Moldova from Romania.  Awaiting verification of those reports. 

We CAN VERIFY that the United States/NATO has mustered a very significant number of HIMARS Multiple Launch Rocket Systems on the Romania border with Moldova.  Video below, taken today, September 16, 2022, shows the HIMARS on the roads inside Romania AT the border of Moldova.   

DJ, I think HT is doing a good job by reporting these movements...the US-biden-pushing for regime change in Moscow...NATO countries following US-biden-orders...crazy !

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DJ, Well I hoped I could also copy the HT map of the Georgia-Armenia-Azerbaijan area...north of Türkiye and Iran, south of Russia...but no...

Maybe even more important; Georgia (another former Soviet state supposed to join NATO-the three Baltic states are-so far-the only former Soviet states now in NATO) borders in the west the Black Sea...in the east it borders Azerbaijan-lots of oil-bordering the Caspian Sea...

Some US/NATO goals/uses;

-getting a NATO controlled land-link  (Georgia-Azerbaijan )between the Black- and Caspian Sea. Caspian Sea now part of the Russia-Iran-India trade route..

-Russia has limited forces in Armenia, Armenia has a (very old) land-link with Iran..dividing two parts of Azerbaijan...Russia will support Armenia..

-Türkiye may have "good relations" with Azerbaijan...it needs Russia...Iran tried to improve relations with Azerbaijan...US goal may try to increase Türkiye-Iran tensions..

-Of course opening a Georgia frontline in the US/NATO war with Russia wil further "weaken Russia"...

DJ-In Samarkand there will have been lots of talks on [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/chinese-president-xi-jinping-warns-central-asian-neighbors-against-allowing-cia-color-revolutions[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/chinese-president-xi-jinping-warns-central-asian-neighbors-against-allowing-cia-color-revolutions

Chinese President Xi Jinping warned his Central Asian neighbors on Friday not to allow outsiders to destabilize them with “color revolutions" and offered to set up a regional counterterrorism training center.

Xi’s comments at a security summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin and leaders from Central Asia, India and Iran reflect official Chinese anxiety that Western support for pro-democracy and human rights activists is a plot to undermine Xi's ruling Communist Party and other authoritarian governments.

“We should prevent external forces from instigating a color revolution,” Xi said in a speech to leaders of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, referring to protests that toppled unpopular regimes in the former Soviet Union and the Middle East.

Xi offered to train 2,000 police officers, to set up a regional counterterrorism training center and to “strengthen law enforcement capacity building.” He gave no details.

The Shanghai Cooperation Organization was formed by Russia and China as a counterweight to U.S. influence. The summit is part of Xi's first trip abroad since shortly after the coronavirus pandemic began 2 1/2 years ago, highlighting the importance to Beijing of asserting itself as a regional leader.

The group also includes Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Pakistan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. Iran is an observer and has applied for full membership.

DJ-The US is behind regime change operations in both Kazahkstan (failed) and Pakistan ...

also [url]https://southfront.org/erdogan-wanted-to-meet-syrias-assad-at-sco-summit-report/[/url] or https://southfront.org/erdogan-wanted-to-meet-syrias-assad-at-sco-summit-report/ ;

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan was willing to meet President Bashar al-Assad had the Syrian leader attended the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SOC) summit in Uzbekistan, Turkey’s pro-government Hurriyet newspaper reported on September 16.

According to Hurriyet columnist Abdulkadir Selvi, Erdogan made the comments about Assad at a meeting of his ruling Justice and Development Party on September 12.

Last month, Iran’s Tasnim News Agency reported that Erdogan could meet Assad on the sideline of the SOC summit in Uzbekistan. Nevertheless, the Syrian leader ended up not attending the summit.

Hurriyet report came after four sources told Reuters that Turkey’s intelligence chief held multiple meetings with his Syrian counterpart in Damascus in recent weeks. During the meetings, a possible summit between the two countries’ foreign minister was discussed.

The attempt to restore relations between Ankara and Damascus is reportedly being led by Russia, who is looking to solidify its position in Syria.

Turkey’s political and military support has been critical for the survival of Syrian rebels, who lost most of their territory to government forces after the start of Russian operations in Syria.

A rapprochement between Ankara and Damascus could reshape the war in Syria. The biggest loser would be US-backed Kurdish forces, who still occupy vast parts of the country’s northern and northeastern region. They could end up facing a Russian-backed Turkish-Syria alliance.

DJ...The US wants to escalate wars both in Syria, Iraq and Armenia/Azerbaijan to keep Türkiye under NATO control...

Will Erdogan get Türkiye out of NATO ? If he wants to survive..get Türkiye playing its own role-he may run out of options...The EU closed it doors for Türkiye, the US supported Kurds for US goals...Erdogan may find working with Iran, Russia-at the end also China, India is more in the Turkish interests...

A possible scenario in the Armenia-Azerbaijan-Georgia region could be Russia-Iran-Türkiye "intervention"...a short war to keep that frontline under non-western control...

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DJ Further east a border conflict between two other former Soviet states; Kyrgizistan, Tajikistan escalated...both SCO members, good links with Russia...

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrgyzstan#Military[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrgyzstan#Military ; The armed forces of Kyrgyzstan were formed after the collapse of the Soviet Union and consist of the Land ForcesAir Forcesinternal troopsNational Guard, and the border guard

The military works with the US Armed Forces, which leased a facility named the Transit Center at Manas at Manas International Airport near Bishkek until June 2014.[75]

 In recent years, the armed forces have begun developing better relations with Russia including signing modernization deals worth $1.1bn and participating in more exercises with Russian troops.[76] The Agency of National Security works with the military and serves similar purposes to its Soviet predecessor, the KGB. It oversees an elite counterterrorism special forces unit known as "Alfa", the same name used by other former Soviet countries, including Russia and Uzbekistan. The police are commanded by the Ministry of the Interior Affairs, along with the border guard

and [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tajikistan#Independence[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tajikistan#Independence ;

Russian border troops were stationed along the Tajik–Afghan border until summer 2005. Since the September 11, 2001 attacks, French troops have been stationed at Dushanbe Airport in support of air operations of NATO's International Security Assistance Force in AfghanistanUnited States Army and Marine Corps personnel periodically visit Tajikistan to conduct joint training missions of up to several weeks duration. The Government of India rebuilt the Ayni Air Base, a military airport located 15 km southwest of Dushanbe, at a cost of $70 million, completing the repairs in September 2010.[70] It is now the main base of the Tajikistan air force. There have been talks with Russia concerning use of the Ayni facility,[71] and Russia continues to maintain a large base on the outskirts of Dushanbe.[72]

In 2010, there were concerns among Tajik officials that Islamic militarism in the east of the country was on the rise following the escape of 25 militants from a Tajik prison in August, an ambush that killed 28 Tajik soldiers in the Rasht Valley in September,[73] and another ambush in the valley in October that killed 30 soldiers,[74] followed by fighting outside Gharm that left 3 militants dead. To date the country's Interior Ministry asserts that the central government maintains full control over the country's east, and the military operation in the Rasht Valley was concluded in November 2010.[75] However, fighting erupted again in July 2012.[76] In 2015, Russia sent more troops to Tajikistan.[77]

In May 2015, Tajikistan's national security suffered a serious setback when Colonel Gulmurod Khalimov, commander of the special-purpose police unit (OMON) of the Interior Ministry, defected to the Islamic State.[49][78]

In 2021, following the Fall of Kabul, Tajikistan allegedly got involved in the Panjshir conflict against the Taliban on the side of the National Resistance Front of Afghanistan.[79][80]

In September 2022 armed clashes, including the use of artillery, erupted along much of the border between Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.[81]

DJ...south of the region is Afghanistan and Pakistan (a small stretch of Afghan land linking the main part of Afghanistan with China)...China is in the east...

Poor countries, lots of mountains, bad infrastructure...on the crossroads of India-China-Pakistan-Iran-Russian sphere of influence...If the US want to "stop Asia" as the dominant global power a "war-zone" from Azerbaijan-Iran border (Azeris live on both sides of that border) to Tajikistan, including the Kashmir India-Pakistan-China border conflict could "do the job"...

It is NOT a coincidence we see a lot of "unrest" in Asia when there is also an important SCO top...

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Of course one also should discuss US-EU relations; [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/swedish-media-outlet-publishes-claimed-u-s-document-outlining-how-to-crush-europe-economy-thru-ukraine-war-effort[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/swedish-media-outlet-publishes-claimed-u-s-document-outlining-how-to-crush-europe-economy-thru-ukraine-war-effort 

Nya Dagbladet, a media outlet in Sweden, has published what it says appears to be classified US plans to crush the European economy by means of a war in Ukraine and an induced energy crisis.

Nya Dagbladet goes on to report as follows:

RAND Corporation’s think tank, which has a huge work force of 1,850 employees and a budget of $350 million, has the official aim of “improving policies and decision-making through research and analysis”. It is primarily connected to the United States Department of Defense and is infamous for having been influential in the development of military and other strategies during the Cold War.

A document signed RAND, under the opening heading of “Weakening Germany, strengthening the U.S.”, suggests that there is an “urgent need” for an influx of resources from outside to maintain the overall American economy, but “especially the banking system”.

Only European countries bound by EU and NATO commitments can provide us with these without significant military and political costs for us.”

According to RAND, the main obstacle to this ambition is the growing independence of Germany. Among other things, it points out that Brexit has given Germany greater independence and made it more difficult for the United States to influence the decisions of European governments.

A key objective that permeates this cynical strategy is, in particular, to destroy the cooperation between Germany and Russia, as well as France, which is seen as the greatest economic and political threat to the United States.

If implemented, this scenario will eventually turn Europe into not only an economic, but also a political competitor to the United States.”, it declares.

The only way: “Draw both sides into war with Ukraine”

In order to crush this political threat, a strategic plan, primarily focused on destroying the German economy, is presented.

Stopping Russian deliveries could create a systematic crisis that would be devastating for the German economy and indirectly for the European Union as a whole”, it states, and believes that the key is to draw the European countries into war.

The only possible way to ensure that Germany rejects Russian energy supplies is to draw both sides into the military conflict in Ukraine. Our continued actions in this country will inevitably lead to a military response from Russia. Russia is clearly not going to leave to the massive Ukrainian army’s pressure on the Donetsk People’s Republic without a military response. This would make it possible to portray Russia as the aggressive party and then implement the entire package of sanctions, which has already been drawn up”.

Green parties will force Germany to “fall into the trap”

The green parties in Europe are described as being particularly easy to manipulate into running the errands of American imperialism.

The prerequisite for Germany to fall into this trap is the dominant role of green parties and European ideologies. The German environmental movement is a highly dogmatic, if not fanatical, movement, which makes it quite easy to get them to ignore economic arguments”, it writes, citing the current foreign minister of Germany, Annalena Baerbock, and the climate minister, Robert Habeck, as examples of this type of politician.

Personal characteristics and lack of professionalism make it possible to assume that it is impossible for them to recognise their own mistakes in time. I will therefore be sufficient to rapidly form a media image of Putin’s aggressive war – and make the Greens into ardent and tough supporters of sanctions – a ‘war party’. This will make it possible to impose the sanctions without any obstacles”.

Baerbock is, i.a., well known for declaring that she will continue the suspension of Russian gas even during the winter – regardless of what her constituents think about the matter and the consequences for the German population.

– We will stand with Ukraine, and this means that the sanctions will stay, also in winter time – even if it gets really tough for politicians, she said at a conference in Prague recently.

“Ideally – a complete halt of supplies”

The authors express a hope that the damage between Germany and Russia will be so great that it will make it impossible for the countries to re-establish normal relations later on.

A reduction in Russian energy supplies – ideally, a complete halt of such supplies– would lead to disastrous outcomes for German industry. The need to divert significant amounts of Russian gas for winter heating will further exacerbate the shortages. Lockdowns in industrial enterprises would cause shortages of components and spare parts for manufacturing, a breakdown of logistics chains and, eventually, a domino effect”.

Ultimately, a total collapse of the economy in Europe is seen as both probable and desirable.

Not only will it deliver a devastating blow to the German economy, the entire economy of the entire EU economy will inevitably collapse.

It further points out that the benefits of US-based companies having less competition on the world market, logistical advantages and the outflow of capital from Europe, would mean that they would be able to contribute to the economy of the United States by an estimated 7-9 trillion dollars. In addition, it also emphasises the important effect of many well-educated and young Europeans being be forced to immigrate to the USA.

RAND denies originating the report

RAND Corporation issued a press release on Wednesday denying that the report originates from them. No comments are made regarding what parts of the report are false or what is accurate, apart from simply writing that the content is “bizarre” and that the document is “fake””.

DJ, Is this "Russian propaganda" trying to damage EU-US links ? [url]https://ejmagnier.com/2022/09/13/america-is-the-biggest-winner-and-europe-is-the-biggest-loser/[/url] or https://ejmagnier.com/2022/09/13/america-is-the-biggest-winner-and-europe-is-the-biggest-loser/ 

Of course so far it is Ukraine paying the highest price in the US-Russia war...However the European economy is getting slowly destroyed...US-LNG export, weapon sales to the EU exploded...in this US made conflict the US did make some gains...

In Europe there is a trend towards less freedoms, more authoritarianism, a "soft" dictatorship with a "democratic" all parties agree on it-cover...Media reports are very one-sided...

A possible US goal could be breaking up the EU...while some claim the US also played a major role in creating that EU...IF the EU would be one country it most likely would be the global economy #1...The Euro/€ did become an alternative for the US-petro-dollar...

The US creating this NATO expansion crisis is damaging Europe while trying to blame Putin/Russia for it...An EU with close trade relations with Asia (even India...) would "weaken the US"...

So-from that perspective-the US is NOT a friend of Europe....(It reminds me a bit of the rise of nazi's /hitler in Germany with strong US links...Was hitler a US/UK puppet? That may go to far...but hitler was usefull for the west against stalin/the Soviet Union...Only hard to control...). 

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Every war has also a propaganda-part..."free western media" are owned by the Military Industrial Complex and serve their goals...

[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/09/ukraine-dissecting-some-war-propaganda-news-items-addendum.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/09/ukraine-dissecting-some-war-propaganda-news-items-addendum.html ;

Hours later:

Advisory - Story has been withdrawn - Multiple bodies found at mass burial site in Ukraine's Izium with rope around necks

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While Yahoo and others have deleted the body of the story, its false headline is still up.

Repeating the closing sentences of yesterday's pamphlet:

It is not the 'fog of war' that clouds such new reporting. It is the propaganda that was ordered up to incite the 'western' population against Russia and its citizens and soldiers.

Without further backup and proof one can not, and should not, believe any news item coming from the Ukrainian and other wars.

Added (6:10 UTC):

Interestingly the British Telegraph is more skeptical than the 'British' news agency Reuters:

Inside Izyum – and the Russian command centre destroyed by Himars missiles

Anton Herashenko, an advisor to the Ukrainian interior ministry, told the BBC on Thursday that about 1,000 bodies had been found in Izyum and that more civilians had died there than in Bucha.

The Telegraph did not see any evidence of that scale of death during a visit on Thursday. Hrigory[, a 63-year-old civil engineer ,] denied knowledge of any war crimes.

“We didn’t interact with them, and they didn’t interact with us,” he said of the Russians. “From what I know, there wasn’t detentions, executions, torture.”

“There were a lot of young men who would say ‘we won’t shoot any bullets,’” he added.

And another one from the Telegraph:

'Tortured' bodies unearthed in mass graves of liberated town Izyum

Oleksandr Filchakov, the head of the Kharkiv prosecutor's office, said some showed signs of torture. Reporters at the scene did not see proof of that.

DJ...creating the picture of "enemies" as "monsters" , de-humanizing them-is "needed" if you want public support for mass murder...

One could claim Russia describing Ukraine as run by nazi's is also propaganda...point is other political parties have been forbidden in this "supposed to be democracy"...only extreme right wing -nationalist-parties are allowed...The west also did send neo-nazi's to join the Ukraine forces...

Still most Ukrainians hate this war...had hopes for peace when they voted for zelensky...

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ksc Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2022 at 5:09am

...says the guy who searches the bowels of the internet for fake news posted by pedophiles, rapists, drug addicts, terrorists and felons. Just another victim of the propaganda machine. You'll never understand what's happening, as you've shown from day 1 of this war.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dutch Josh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 17 2022 at 5:37am

ksc, you claim you know all ? Your propaganda "info" is correct ? You get the "bigger picture"? Please !

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