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TrishaA
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Can you really prepare for a disaster like this? A nuclear warhead is not like a virus...Unless you can build a bomb shelter complete with its own air supply etc. etc. what good does preparation do? You can't keep radiation out by duct taping your windows. I kind of feel that the only thing we can do is to make sure we've said " I love you " to the people that we care for. There are just some things that we have no control over.
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I hear you on that one... Raptureready and anyone else who takes a chance by posting something that could impact all of us---thank you. Whether right or wrong---thank you for stepping out and taking a chance by informing us. There are so many threats out there. Fortunately, all of us here seem to have the mindset that we are prepared. The thought that I keep going back to is that I am glad that I am aware and can handle all of this threatening news. With everything that is out there that is threatening us/me I just keep going about my day. Unfortunately we have had to stop prepping. Now all we can do is sit and wait. This is very uncomfortable because I am an action sort of person. In the case of a nuclear event-what do we know to do? Avert your eyes - you can be instantly and permanently blinded. Try to get as much mass between you and the blast as possible. Take your potassium iodide tablets to protect your thyroid gland. Even though this may not happen today or tomorrow does anyone have any other suggestions for those who may be concerned about this? |
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They test fired the missile into the Sea of Japan. Here is a link to the story:
North Korea missile launch fires up tension
By Shane Green, Herald Correspondent in Seoul February 26 2003
North Korea was accused last night of provocation after test-firing a missile into the Sea of Japan. In an apparent attempt to upstage the inauguration of Roh Moo-hyun to the South Korean presidency, the ground-to-ship rocket was launched 90 kilometres towards Japan before dropping harmlessly into the sea. The Foreign Minister, Alexander Downer, who was in Seoul for yesterday's ceremony and for talks with the US Secretary of State, Colin Powell, said: "To have done it on the day of the inauguration of the new president is an exercise in drawing attention to themselves, and trying to create a sense of crisis when none is necessary. "I regard it as entirely unnecessary and provocative." The missile was fired on Monday but news of the action broke only hours before the new president took his oath of office in front of 45,000 people on the steps of the National Assembly. The inauguration was attended by international dignitaries including the Japanese Prime Minister, Junichiro Koizumi, and Chinese Vice-Premier Qian Qichen. North Korea justified the test on the basis of "security", but the firing of the Styx anti-ship missile was seen as another attempt to increase the tension over its nuclear arms program. Yesterday North Korea claimed a US spy plane had intruded into its airspace on Monday and on three consecutive previous days to spy on the country ahead of a possible attack. The country's official KCNA news agency said: "The US imperialist warhawks illegally intruded a RC-135 strategic reconnaissance plane into [North Korean territory] to spy on it." Japan reacted cautiously to the situation yesterday, noting that the short-range limit of the weapon did not violate North Korea's freeze on missile tests. In 1998 North Korea fired a missile, without warning, over Japan which landed in the Pacific Ocean. However, Mr Roh said the suspicion that North Korea was developing nuclear weapons was a "grave threat" to world peace, particularly the Korean Peninsula and North-East Asia. "North Korea's nuclear development can never be condoned," he said. "Pyongyang must abandon nuclear development. If it renounces its nuclear development program, the international community will offer many things that it wants." But he stressed the crisis must be resolved peacefully through dialogue. "Military tension in any form should not be heightened." Mr Roh, who was elected in a fever of anti-US sentiment last December, said Koreans were deeply grateful for the alliance with the US: "We will foster and develop this cherished alliance." However, he also signalled changes as part of his push for a more independent South Korea. "We will see to it that the alliance matures into a more reciprocal and equitable relationship," he said. "We will also expand relations with other countries, including traditional friends." In talks after the inauguration, Mr Downer and Mr Powell discussed the North Korean crisis, with any differences between Canberra and Washington apparently evaporating. Before leaving for Seoul, Mr Downer had called for bilateral talks between the US and North Korea. The US has been pushing for a multilateral approach. Mr Downer said after the talks that the positions of Australia and the US were "pretty similar". He said Australia had supported a multilateral approach, but believed there was a point where the US had to have direct discussions with North Korea. He said it was crucial that other countries, especially China, played a part in persuading North Korea to "de-nuclearise". with Agencies This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/02/25/1046064033249.html < =1.1> < =1.1 ="http://-au.imrworldwide.com/a1.js"> |
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This is from the LAST missile they test fired, in 2003. Look at the date on the story.
(And Japan showed incredible restraint in not shooting back.) Leva
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I don't think anything will happen today but even so, your last minute prepping interests me a lot...
If you had to do it all over again, what would you have done differently in your shopping trips yesterday? Also, what items do you intend to ensure that you have in storage all the time that hadn't concerned you until you were doing your last minute preps yesterday?
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Can you really prepare for a disaster like this? A nuclear warhead is not like a virus...Unless you can build a bomb shelter complete with its own air supply etc. etc. what good does preparation do? You can't keep radiation out by duct taping your windows. I kind of feel that the only thing we can do is to make sure we've said " I love you " to the people that we care for. There are just some things that we have no control over.
_____________________________________________________ Trisha A if you are not close enough to a nuclear blast to be toast or burned you can SIP and take potaassium Iodide to try to protect from radiation poisoning. You can read about this at www.nitro-pak.com
I've considered getting some of this because is seems the world is becoming more volitale everyday. However, if it's going to start doing the nuke thing I might prefer to do as you suggest. Stay right with God and the people I love.
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TrishaA
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I agree that it's good to be aware of the news and we divert on this forum to all kinds of things, so why not current events? There is really nothing especially new about bf and we all obviously have an attachment to the forum and to each other. We do need to be prepped for any catastrophy and there is certainly enough to be concerned about from disease to... biological warfare ...to terrorism of any kind ...to nature's wrath etc..
There are some things you just can't prepare for.... I live about 20 minutes from a nuclear plant..which by the way is built on fault....I live outside of NYC.. millions and millions of people will be obliterated and radiated if it's terrorized or just blows. Rice, beans and ammo won't do a darn thing. We just can hope and pray mostly for our children and grandchildren's sake that this kind of evil can be averted.
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Hi4thegirls......Those pills have been given out ,actually, in some of the school districts closest to the plant, and, those districts that have the most money. That was a couple of years ago I believe. There are leaks at the plant and threats and talks about drills but no one really does anything. I don't know what effect those pills have on the rest of your body and I just kind of figure that my thyroid isn't going to do me any good if the rest of me is glowing anyway.
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Depending on the type and size of bomb that's exploded, and what it's salted with, the survivability factor would be pretty high if you are not in the immediate vicinity.
The most disastrous nuke strike that North Korea could do high altitude airbust, as I noted above. While you could certainly be killed by gamma rays, heat, or the overpressure wave if you were close -- ifyou weren't close, you'd have the same issues as in an epidemic, only in some ways worse. In an epidemic, the infrastructure largely remains intact ... An airburst of sufficient size and altitude would emit an electromagnetic pulse that would destroy everything electronic within several thousand square miles. Depending on the altitude and size of the nuke, and where specifically it exploded, it could take out the grid on BOTH sides of the Mississippi from a cascade effect. And this wouldn't be a "restart the power plants in sequence and get it back up in a few weeks" for big chunks of the grid type issue -- it'd do things like melt wires, fry electronic circuits, etc, that would require massive rebuilding and repair and take years to fix. Plus, it would fry the electronics in every device that wasn't shielded -- which is basically everything civilian out there. It would disable almost all vehicles, aircraft, cars, planes, trains, etc., and disable the plants to make the parts (microchips, etc.) to fix them. Modern cars are full of microchips and small electronic parts. The country would be on foot. No food would get delivered, no parts to fix the things that fried would get delivered ... no medicine to the hospitals for the injured ... etc. Communications would go poof in the affected areas (possibly hundreds or thousands of square miles) -- cel phones would fry, land lines would melt, electronic parts for the land lines would fry, no radios of any kind... we'd be back to sending messengers on foot to get information dispersed. Manufacturing plants to FIX things would be destroyed from the EMP. We'd be able to import stuff, of course, assuming this didn't lead to a wholesale war and the US showed remarkable restraint and shot back only with conventional weapons -- but how would we pay for it? The banks would be nonfunctional. IMHO, I'd almost rather deal with a pandemic, when I start figuring out scenarios regarding how the aftermath might play out. |
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Aurora,
Thanks for the post regarding Kim Jong departing for Russia just a few days ago. As soon as I read raptureready's post about the possible firing of a missle, I thought about him leaving for Russia and was about to look it up, when I read your post. It does seems odd that he rarely leaves N.K., and his last trip was to China and now possibly Russia. Those three countries having face to face talks at this time, doesn't sound like good news, IMHO. It sure makes you wonder if somethings up.
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I find this thread and several others here very unfortunate, discrediting the good work done here trying to track BF news by crowding it with unrelated nonsense.
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Im glad raptureready posted it It does have a major impact on our lives..Just as important as Bf I should think. |
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countrygal
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I agree!! Thank you raptureready! |
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kparcell
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Alcoholism, cancer, high fuel prices, etc, have a major impact on our lives, they are real problems, but they are not discussed in this forum because they are not sensational nonsense.
For the record: I object. |
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Kparcell, the threat of a nuke from north korea is not "sensational nonsense" -- you calling it "sensational nonsense" is akin to people calling birdflu "sensational nonsense."
Do some reading please before you dismiss it. What we're facing now is akin to the Cuban Missile crisis -- which was not "sensational nonsense" -- and except that Kim Jung-il is a lot more of a loose cannon than Castro ever is or was. |
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Well said, Cygnet.
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Report: U.S. activates missile defense systemNorth Korea seems headed 'towards a launch'
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Tuesday, June 20, 2006; Posted: 2:50 p.m. EDT (18:50 GMT) SPECIAL REPORT
South Korean Foreign Minister Ban Ki-moon said on Tuesday that North Korea had put its long-range Taepodong-2 missile on a launching pad, but it was unclear if the missile was fully fueled. Meanwhile, Pyongyang said it would not be bound by a 2002 treaty prohibiting launches of ballistic missiles. "They seem to be moving forward towards a launch, but the intelligence is not conclusive at this point," White House National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley told reporters traveling with President Bush to Austria aboard Air Force One. The U.S. defense official, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed a Washington Times report that the Pentagon has activated its missile defense system, which has been in the developmental stage for years. "It's good to be ready," the official said. U.S. officials say evidence such as satellite pictures suggests Pyongyang may have finished fueling the Taepodong-2 missile, which some experts said could reach as far as Alaska. (Watch what satellite images reveal -- 1:58) "There's real caution in how to characterize it so as to not be provocative in our own approach," the defense official said of the move to activate the system. Asked whether the United States would try to shoot down a North Korean missile, Pentagon press secretary Eric Ruff declined to answer directly. "We have a limited missile defense system," Ruff said. "We don't discuss the alert status or the specific capabilities." The Pentagon and U.S. State Department have said a North Korean missile launch would be seen as "provocative." The United States has built up a complex of interceptor missiles, advanced radar stations and data relays designed to detect and shoot down an enemy missile, but tests of the system have had mixed results. |
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The truth will out.
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The Japanese launched at Pearl Harbor because the U.S. was messing with their oil resources. For time in memorium, countries have messed with others because of oil. Japan just didn't wake up one day and said let's bomb Pearl Harbor because we don't have a reason.
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The only thing worse than a brutal lie is the brutal truth. (M Twain) I waited patiently for the LORD; He turned to me and heard my cry. He lifted me out of the pit; He set my feet on a rock. Psalm40
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Every nation with missles tests them all the time. The one the N. Koreans are preparing to test is not capable of reaching any major poulation centers in the US under the best of conditions and there is no evidence that it is armed with anything, let alone nuclear weapons.
It is difficult for me to imagine anything more ridiculous than that the N. Koreans would announce a single missle nuclear strike on the US a week ahead of time, and the Bush Administration is obviously using this nonsense as an exercise in missle defense and probably also to distract the media from important issues such as their inadequate efforts on BF. The people supporting this nonsense in this thread are the greatest problem for those using forums such as these to advance BF work, and I suspect that the harm you are doing can not be repaired. |
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Sorry, I forgot to apply tin foil to my head before trying that post. |
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If all is not lost, where is it?
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kparcell: you are right, this is a forum about avian flu and preparedness. There have been a few threads that do not fall into that category. As far as damaging the forum in its bird flu work, most people would see this thread for what it is, concern over another event that we might face.
The concern is not that this is just a missile test. It is a long range missile test and an excellent test of our defenses. So on we go back to BF. |
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The difference being that alcoholism, cancer, higher fuel prices, etc would not call upon us to begin using our preps nor do they pose a threat to the availability of additional preps. This could. I'm not looking to pick a fight, I'm just of a different opinion on the value of the original post to this forum.
Quote: "The people supporting this nonsense in this thread are the greatest problem for those using forums such as these to advance BF work, and I suspect that the harm you are doing can not be repaired."
C'mon. This is a single thread, not multiple threads addressing the same issue. PREPAREDNESS for BF is the central issue of this forum and if there is a possible threat to those preparations, I for one appreciate knowing about it.
For the record: I believe it should remain one single thread. I assume your concern is the site becoming overwhelmed with politics.
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Christy,
My concern is that this thread about a pending N. Korean nuclear attack discredits this forum, and it should, because no reasonable person would waste a moment preparing bunkers for this pre-announced missle test. And yet this thread remains the main interest here now that BF news is slow, and that only because the "conspiracy of censorship" crowd is too embarrassed about their endless rant during the last period of slow BF news. So what happens when normal people visit the forum for the first time and see this thread? They say, "Yup, these guys are nuts, we don't need to prepare for BF." I don't doubt that some of you sincerely fear a N. Korean nuclear attack, but this kind of nuclear fear-mongering is absolutley the most powerful thing you can do to hurt the efforts of those trying to mainstream preparedness efforts. Please people, use your energy in positive ways. |
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I believe that we all understand the focus of this forum. If there was new and important news about bf...that's what we would be discussing and investigating. But, it seems that's not the case......The news media is, however, making the Korean missle sound " menacing". How could discussing it be so harmful? Perhaps our addressing it will calm some members fears. I think that we're all able to handle a little aside now and then. |
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KPARCEL
Alcoholism, cancer, high fuel prices, etc, have a major impact on our lives, they are real problems, but they are not discussed in this forum because they are not sensational nonsense.
For the record: I object. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
These problems are not reasons for emergency preparation as are BF, nukes, hurricanes, etc. I feel better about the ridicule from "nonprepers" when I remind myself there are many reasons that make our hard prep work relevant.
I appreciate the info from RR. I know it was shared with a spirit of concern for us. I feel bonded to the people on this forum and if I ever have what I feel is credible inside info that could possibly affect their lives I would share it. Then you can all decide if it is of value for you. I participate on the forum because of what I can learn to protect my family, but I care about all of you too!
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Okay lets make the thread relevant for all by suggesting that instead of a nuke maybe it is a weapon for delivering the Bird flu virus they are supposedly working on. It would be a lighter warhead and capeable of traveling longer distances. Just a thought.
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If the administrators of this forum find that discussions of preparing for nuclear bombardment from N. Korea fit here, so be it. I wish you all well.
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KParcell, Wow... sorry, I didn't mean to start a dogpile on you! I agree, the last thing this forum is, or should be perceived as, is a "Conspiracy Theory" site. "My concern is that this thread about a pending N. Korean nuclear attack discredits this forum, and it should, because no reasonable person would waste a moment preparing bunkers for this pre-announced missle test."
I agree wholeheartedly. I in no way think of this as an immediate nuclear threat and I don't think RaptureReady's original post suggested that. At most,
And yet this thread remains the main interest here now that BF news is slow, and that only because the "conspiracy of censorship" crowd is too embarrassed about their endless rant during the last period of slow BF news.
There will always be some who delve into the "what if" when the "what is" slows down but I think in large part people were weighing in on the validity of RR's original post.
So what happens when normal people visit the forum for the first time and see this thread? They say, "Yup, these guys are nuts, we don't need to prepare for BF." I consider myself normal, and I just don't believe one thread has that power. When I first found this site I started devouring it, thread by thread. There were some that were quite "out there" but the overwhelming amount of information and specific topics on the homepage speaks for itself. This site is knowledge based.
I don't doubt that some of you sincerely fear a N. Korean nuclear attack, but this kind of nuclear fear-mongering is absolutley the most powerful thing you can do to hurt the efforts of those trying to mainstream preparedness efforts. Please people, use your energy in positive ways. I agree wholeheartedly, I just didn't see that in the original post.
My only intention was to state why I thought RR's post was valid to the forum, a good Head's Up, as it was intended, and nothing more.
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4thegirls - I sooo agree!
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RR - Thanks for your original post.
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RR,
I hope you'll read back through the thread to see how many people truly appreciate your post. How it could be interpretted as fear mongering or preparing for nuclear bombardment is beyond me.
If Albert does choose to pull it, I think it's more likely due to the game playing suggested in the last few threads than anything you said. Thanks again, from one who read in the spirit it was intended. ~Christy
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Rapture ready, I too am in Ohio..northeast. I'm not in the floodzone though thank God.
I hope your hubby is better. My hubby and I woke up to find our 4 year old lying on the floor in the living room with throw up in his room, sister's room, couch, kitchen bathroom and a really high fever. Must be some flu
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RaptureReady,
As for the vacuum with no electricity I sell those at my site...not trying to sell you anything but since you were looking for one just e-mail me personally and I'll give you my site if you are interested. If not that is OK too.
2 days ago, I wanted to vacuum before my mom and sister came over so I pulled the hoover out...something was burning and smelling like rubber...so I pulled out the dirt devil...it was dropping dirt all over so I pulled out our BRAND new Hoover and for sure this one must work and it did not..I was so mad then I remembered I had the carpet cleaner that doesn't need electricity and it worked great! I have to remember to use it and much lighter.
Now, when my daughter was 18 month she had such high fever, coughing, wasn't drinking or wetting her diaper. I took her to the doctor and he refused to give her antibiotics because he said it was only the flu...my daughter looked like she was dying in my arms, high fever of 104 or more for 3 days at least...seemed like forever...I told him her lungs didn't sound good..he said there is nothing wrong with her lungs...I ended up in the ER at 4am...she had pneumonia(I was right sad to say) they had to give her IV's, give her 2 big shots of antibiotics and almost admitted her but after 12 hours in the ER with IV's and antibiotics she was well enough I could care for her at home especially being she was just a baby. I believe that has caused her problem with both her lungs being partially collapsed(lower lobes) They finally are getting better....So mom's/dad's follow your instincts...doctors don't know everything...sorry to any doctor's out there but some MD's give the rest a bad name at times...I do have a good doctor now for the kids and my husband/myself.
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I stand corrected -- I did not look at the date on the story (that will teach me to go online before having my first cup of coffee!)
K.
PS -- Melody I'm sorry your daughter had to go thru that. As a provider it's a tough call. Years back I worked in a clinic where the medical director would challenge any antibiotics ordered. It became a clinic joke and we called it the "Whitney Litany" -- Though shalt not given antibiotics! I don't care if the kid has pus in their ears. It could be viral! It was very difficult to work under him.
That being said I had a mother bring her school age child in. No chart available (could not be found). The mother told me her daughter was asthmatic and she was sick. On exam EVERTHING looked normal. I could not find a single thing wrong with that child. I refused to write the script and sent them home. The kid ended up in the ER that night. What did I learn? ALWAYS listen to the mother since no one knows their kid better. Now adays I give the Rx with the understanding that the mother will hold it until the kid starts popping a fever. But she has it if she needs it.
It's a tough call. We know that antibiotics are overused and that resistence is rampant. But is it fair to make a Mom come back in two days later with a kid acutely ill - when she was there just 2 days ago, but no one would listen to her. I've learned my lession and listen to "Dr. Mom".
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What I lack while considering N.K's threatand and is BF related........
Extra money put aside for "last minute list". Didn't pay a bill this time...will have to try to save.
I also have not taken time to prepare "bug out" bags for all of us(BF could cause us to be made to leave our area? we really don't know)
I have not taken the time to plan for a place to go to and meet my family if we needed to leave asap...so I am thinking a plan for that.
I also have been slacking in the household chore area...without alot of running water I couldn't do alot of cleaning,I have been cleaning all day.
I wouldn't be able to wash blankets and heavy bed coverings...so I did that today.
I also need to buy a old fashined vacume that just rolls over the carpet and requires no elec.
I have a spare room I have been meaning to clean out,for sick person,or storage....I have been also doing that today.
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There you go, RR...thanks for this info., the bug-out bags, sick room, last min. money for things forgotten. As for the cleaning...well, I hate cleaning. That can wait. The other things, I need to do as well. I keep putting it off, especially saving money for later spending. I keep spending all my extra cash on prep items.
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It might be a consideration to create an "Off Topic Area" for this type of thread. I believe the key focus of this site to be H5N1 Avian Flu Forum. Many of us spend a great deal of time and energy trying to monitor the situation with Avian Flu and its potential mutation and spread in a world Pandemic.
One of the key things we need in these times is focus. We are preparing to protect our families and countries from a truly foreboding spectre of a disease capable of death and destruction far worse and much more likely than other potential threats. Thanks for sharing RaptureReady. I share your concern for the well being and safety of not only the members of this Forum, but the world as well. My time and resources are limited, and here I must spend them trying to find information to share which will help us all to prepare for the possible Pandemic and give moral support to those who fear for themselves and their families. |
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There are also topics on "USS Ronal Regan" and "Earthquakes" and Israel" and "Tikki Room" etc. Should those be removed also? How does drinking alcohol,reading about Israel or earthquakes help me with the BF???????
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Raptureready,
That's only one person's thoughts. Look at how many have responded to your post in the positive. Many more than one!!
I didn't find this post until late Sunday, but I did read it in the newspaper about the NK's launch and how the US wants to shot it down in mid air but they are afraid that they might miss and send the world a signal that we aren't as tough as we appear.
But I am glad you posted the information you had so don't be upset and leave because of one person's opinion. I have had my share of comments from people who disagreed with me. I was even band from the site for awhile. So don't let the BS get you down sweet pea. Just do what you think is important and I'm sure others will agree that you did the right thing.
HUGS
Eagles Dancing
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As for me and my house, we shall trust the Lord.
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I, too, appreciated your post.
If you have any updates, do you mind e-mailing me? My e-mail address should be in my profile. |
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Eagles Dancing,thank you for that. I read your post,took a hot bath and pondered what you said.....You are right. I just needed to calm down and walk away for a little bit.
If anyone is interrested you may want to see where the Navy has just deployed their carriers......I think you can find this on-line. That is something to pay close attention too............
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