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Something else to consider is a change to the constitution amendment allowing automatic citizenship to any baby born in the US even if their parents have entered the country illegally.  "Anchor baby"
 
Something really wrong with that, wonder if that was its original intent?
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Originally posted by Gimme Gimme wrote:

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Something else to consider is a change to the constitution amendment allowing automatic citizenship to any baby born in the US even if their parents have entered the country illegally.  "Anchor baby"
 

Something really wrong with that, wonder if that was its original intent?

    
Exacty - Why are illegal immigrants guaranteed more than citizens who have paid taxes, contributed and sometimes laid their lives down for this country?

I've read press about our troops returning from Iraq to be denied benefits and treatment by the country they were serving while someone entering this nation illegally to give birth can collect assistance.

Most of us know of good, hard-working Americans who have had serious health problems and cannot get any help.

Perhaps they need to outsource the issue - sarcasm intended. Maybe someone without an agenda could solve the entire issue swiftly.
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YEs, OKnut you are exactly right! In 1975, when I got married, I needed health insurance for my wife.  I got a janitorial job at a hospital, which paid right at $5/hour, with health insurance - adding my wife cost a little.  NOW, 30 years later, with the dollar worth half as much, they DON"T EVEN WANT TO PAY $5/hour no benefits for janitorial work - they want illegals for less!!!!  The "jobs Americans won't do" is a complete load of malarky - maybe call it "jobs Americans won't do for pennies".  Its very handy for employers to de facto be able to not legally, but actually be able to bring in a desperate class of workers to work for little, have no legal protections, every time there's an immigration raid, these employers get the bonus of the unpaid paychecks - its hog heaven.  Notice Bush sent some guards to the border - maybe slow things down a little but nothing to stop the constant churn of having plenty of labor fighting to work for anything.  Illegal labor is a drug that allows our companies to be lazy managers (and little gods over these people), treat low-skill employees like dirt, and contributes little to the society in which they make fortunes. 
 
And there is not one nickel of the savings passed on to the consumer - that is a myth.  Companies charge what the market will PAY. 
Taco Bell doubled the pay of tomato pickers to about $15,000 a year in Florida in response to a boycott by some labor groups.  According to a business report, this added 2 CENTS a pound to the cost of tomatos. If they had tripled it to $22,000, tomatoes would cost 4 cents more a pound, lots of citizens would be happy to pick tomatoes, and you would pay $2.73 for a pound instead of $2.69/pound (if they kept the same profit).   Socks from China cost 30 cents or so FOR 3 PAIRS cheaper wholesale than socks from America. This 30 cents does not make socks SELL cheaper - it turns into 100 million dollar bonuses for executives.   For pennies, we have sold out our jobs, technology and people.

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That is why the Asians are getting rich here... selling us goods.  Take a look at who is buying the majority of new cars and houses in SC.
 
I still have sweaters made in the USA that look "NEW" that I bought in 1977.
 
Now they are from China & last a few months... and fall apart in the wash cycle.
 
I would be willing to pay more for superior goods that costs less in the long run when you add up the REAL COSTS.
 
Originally posted by fiddlerdave2 fiddlerdave2 wrote:

And there is not one nickel of the savings passed on to the consumer - that is a myth.  Companies charge what the market will PAY. 
 
Taco Bell doubled the pay of tomato pickers to about $15,000 a year in Florida in response to a boycott by some labor groups.  According to a business report, this added 2 CENTS a pound to the cost of tomatos. If they had tripled it to $22,000, tomatoes would cost 4 cents more a pound, lots of citizens would be happy to pick tomatoes, and you would pay $2.73 for a pound instead of $2.69/pound (if they kept the same profit).   Socks from China cost 30 cents or so FOR 3 PAIRS cheaper wholesale than socks from America. This 30 cents does not make socks SELL cheaper - it turns into 100 million dollar bonuses for executives.   For pennies, we have sold out our jobs, technology and people.
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Dave - I know many people who have been without work and would be glad to earn 22K a year.

The whole issue is so ridiculous that it's silly.
If it's illegal to be here and it's illegal to employ them - GO AFTER THE EMPLOYERS!!!

If they don't have work and don't receive govenment handouts, they won't be so anxious to get here.

The crew that replaced our roof a couple of years ago was VERY hard working and did a good job BUT, there was one person on the crew who spoke English.

I know of many American men who used to support their families doing roofing work - no more.

The problem is obvious in most trades. When we had a restaurant, we'd have crews come in all the time for lunch. Perhaps one person could speak enough English to order for all of them. It's been going on for years now, but just keeps getting worse.

They keep outsourcing more and more of the technical jobs and allow the rest of the employers to employ illegal immigrants. Then they blame US for being unemployed. Tell US that we need to go back to school.

Our system needs some revamping. They're doing to this country what Bernie Ebbers did to WorldCom. Only they expect applause for it, not prison terms.

I have no problem with people coming here legally and improving their lives. They would then have the right to compete for jobs and pay their dues along with the rest of us.

IMO, there's no shortage of workers - there's a shortage of honorable employers.
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Oknut you said it all....  I have gone back to school 3 times...
 
I am a tech worker and it is brutal to find work that pays... I could go on and on!
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oknut, you are right on to post what you did.  Your sentiments are shared completely in my heart, mind, and soul.

And imagine what will happen to the "demands" of the illegals if they are granted "comprehensive amnesty" or whatever label the govt wants to put on it.  Once granted citizenship, then that 11-12 million (which IMHO is grossly underestimated) illegals will be demanding the same pay as those who legally earned their citizenship and have been working here legally their whole lives.

Obviously a hot topic.  All that is needed to make the keg explode is for an outbreak of BF in Mexico or for a BF case in the U.S. to be traced to any illegals (e.g., Mexicans, Asians, MS-13, etc) sneaking the border!

Oh, but that's right....those 6K extra Natnl Guards along with the clone aircraft and heat-seeking techno stuff will be there to stop the illegals from crossing over.  Sheesh, how could I have forgotten!  The problem was solved last night with the Prez' speech.  Duuhhhh!



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You might want to pass this on to your neighbors, parents & children!
 
 
Research: Immigration  
Senate Immigration Bill Would Allow 100 Million New Legal Immigrants over the Next Twenty Years
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1076.cfm
by Robert Rector
WebMemo #1076

May 15, 2006 | |  

If enacted, the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act (CIRA, S.2611) would be the most dramatic change in immigration law in 80 years, allowing an estimated 103 million persons to legally immigrate to the U.S. over the next 20 years—fully one-third of the current population of the United States.

 

Much attention has been given to the fact that the bill grants amnesty to some 10 million illegal immigrants. Little or no attention has been given to the fact that the bill would quintuple the rate of legal immigration into the United States, raising, over time, the inflow of legal immigrants from around one million per year to over five million per year. The impact of this increase in legal immigration dwarfs the magnitude of the amnesty provisions.

 

In contrast to the 103 million immigrants permitted under CIRA, current law allows 19 million legal immigrants over the next twenty years. Relative to current law, then, CIRA would add an extra 84 million legal immigrants to the nation’s population.

 

The figure of 103 million legal immigrants is a reasonable estimate of the actual immigration inflow under the bill and not the maximum number that would be legally permitted to enter. The maximum number that could legally enter would be almost 200 million over twenty years—over 180 million more legal immigrants than current law permits.

 

Immigration Status

To understand the provisions of CIRA, largely based on a compromise by Senators Chuck Hagel (R–Nebraska) and Mel Martinez (R–Florida), it is useful to distinguish between the three legal statuses that a legal immigrant might hold:

 

  1. Temporary Status: Persons in this category enter the U.S. temporarily and are required to leave after a period of time.
     
  2. Near-Permanent, Convertible Status: Persons in this category enter the U.S. and are given the opportunity to “adjust” or convert to legal permanent residence after a few years.
     
  3. Legal Permanent Residence (LPR): Persons in this category have the right to remain in the United States for their entire lives. After five years, they have the right to naturalize and become citizens. As naturalized citizens, they have the constitutional rights to vote and to receive any government benefits given to native-born citizens.

A key feature of CIRA is that most immigrants identified as “temporary” are, in fact, given convertible status with a virtually unrestricted opportunity to become legal permanent residents and then citizens.

 

Another important feature of both CIRA and existing immigration law is that immigrants in convertible or LPR status have the right to bring spouses and minor children into the country. Spouses and dependent children will be granted permanent residence along with the primary immigrant and may also become citizens. In addition, after naturalizing, an immigrant has the right to bring his parents into the U.S. as permanent residents with the opportunity for citizenship. There are no numeric limits on the number of spouses, dependent children, and parents of naturalized citizens that may be brought into the country. Additionally, the siblings and adult children (along with their families) of naturalized citizens and the adult children (and their families) of legal permanent residents are given preference in future admission but are subject to numeric caps.

 

Key Provisions of CIRA

Four key provisions of CIRA would result in an explosive increase in legal immigration.

 

Amnesty for Current Illegal Immigrants: CIRA offers amnesty and citizenship to 85 percent of the nation’s current 11.9 million illegal immigrants. Under the plan, illegal immigrants who have been in the U.S. for five years or more (60 percent of illegals) would be granted immediate amnesty. Illegal immigrants who have been in the country between two and five years (25 percent of illegals) could travel to one of 16 “ports of entry,” where they would receive amnesty and lawful work permits.[1] In total, the bill would grant amnesty to 85 percent of the current illegal immigrant population, or some 10 million individuals.

 

After receiving amnesty, illegal immigrants would spend six years in a provisional status before attaining LPR status. After five years in LPR status, they would have the opportunity to become naturalized citizens and vote in U.S. elections. As well, the spouses and dependent children of current illegal immigrants would have the right to enter the U.S. and become citizens.[2] There would be no numeric limit on the number of illegal immigrants, spouses, and dependents receiving LPR status; under the amnesty provision, such individuals would not be counted against any other cap or limit in immigration law.[3]

 

The New “Temporary Guest Worker” Program: CIRA creates an entirely new “temporary guest worker” (H-2C) program. There is nothing temporary about this program; nearly all “guest workers” would have the right to become permanent residents and then citizens.

 

Foreign workers could enter the U.S. as guest workers if they have a job offer from a U.S. employer. In practical terms, U.S. companies would recruit foreign workers to enter the guest worker program and immigrate to the U.S. Most likely, intermediate employment firms would specialize in recruiting foreign labor for U.S. employers.

 

Guest workers would be allowed to remain in the U.S. for six years.[4] However, in the fourth year, the guest worker could ask for LPR status and would receive it if he has learned English or is enrolled in an English class.[5] There are no numeric limits on the number of guest workers who could receive LPR status. Upon receiving LPR status, the guest worker could remain in the country permanently. He could become a U.S. citizen and vote in U.S. elections after just five more years.

 

The spouses and minor children of guest workers would also be permitted to immigrate to the U.S.[6] When guest workers petition for LPR status, their spouses and children would receive it as well. Five years after obtaining LPR status, these spouses could become naturalized citizens. The bill sets no limit on the number of spouses and children who could immigrate under the guest worker program. After workers and their spouses have obtained citizenship, they would be able to bring in their parents as legal permanent residents.

 

The bill does provide numeric limits on the number of guest workers who can enter the country each year, but the number starts high and then grows exponentially. In the first year, 325,000 H-2C visas would be given out, but if employer demand for guest workers is high, that number could be boosted by an extra 65,000 in the next year. If employer demand for H-2C workers continues to be high, the number of H-2C visas could be raised by up to 20 percent in each subsequent year.

 

The 20 percent exponential escalator provision allows the number of H-2C immigrants to climb steeply in future years. If the H-2C cap were increased by 20 percent each year, within twenty years the annual inflow of workers would reach 12 million. At this 20 percent growth rate, a total of 70 million guest workers would enter the U.S. over the next two decades and none would be required to leave. While it is unlikely that so many workers would enter, the program does have the potential to bring ten of millions of immigrants to the U.S.

 

The “guest worker” program, then, is an open door program, based on the demands of U.S. business, that would allow an almost unlimited number of workers and dependents to enter the U.S. from anywhere in world and become citizens. It is essentially an “open border” provision.

 

Additional Permanent Visas for Siblings, Adult Children, and their Families: The permanent entry of non-immediate relatives—such as brothers, sisters, and adult children—is currently subject to a cap of 480,000 per year minus the number of immediate relatives (the parents, spouses, and minor children of U.S. citizens) admitted in the prior year. CIRA eliminates the deduction for immediate relatives from the cap.[7] This effectively increases the number of non-immediate relatives who could attain LPR status by 254,000 per year.

 

Additional Permanent Employment Visas: The U.S. currently issues around 140,000 employment-based visas each year. Under CIRA, the U.S. would issue 450,000 employment-based green cards per year between 2007 and 2016.[8] After 2016, the number would fall to 290,000 per year.[9] Under current law, LPR visas going to the spouses and children of workers with employment-based visas are counted against the cap. Under CIRA, these spouses and children would be removed from the cap and given legal permanent residence without numeric limits.[10] Historically, 1.2 dependent relatives have entered the U.S. for each worker under employment-based immigration programs.[11] This means that some 990,000 persons per year would be granted LPR status until 2016 and, after that, 638,000 per year.

 

Estimating Future Immigration Under CIRA

Most provisions of CIRA are straightforward; in many categories, the number of future immigrants allowed is either directly stated or can be easily calculated from the law’s provisions. In some areas, however, the law’s impact is uncertain. To estimate future legal immigration under the bill, three assumptions have been used in this paper:

 

  • Spouses and children of workers: Dependent spouses and children represent a major component of current immigration. In the current employment-based visa program, 1.2 dependents enter for each incoming worker.[12] This paper assumes this ratio will continue in the employment-based program and will also apply to those entering under the new guest worker program. This is a conservative assumption: guest workers are likely to have lower education levels and thus to have larger families. Finally, many current illegal immigrants who would receive amnesty under the bill already have families in the U.S.; therefore the ratio of incoming spouses and children to amnesty recipients is assumed to be only 0.6, or half the ratio of the employment-based program.
     
  • Parents of naturalized citizens: Parents of naturalized citizens currently make up eight percent of all new legal immigrants. This paper assumes that half of all adult immigrants will naturalize after five years of LPR status and that 30 percent of the parents of these naturalized citizens will immigrate in the three years after their children’s naturalization.
     
  • Growth in the guest worker program: The number of immigrants in the guest worker program will be driven by employer demand. The bill allows the number of H-2C visas to increase by 20 percent per year; this level of growth would result in an extraordinary 60 million guest workers in the U.S. over the next twenty years. This paper assumes that the number of immigrants in the guest worker program would increase at a more moderate rate of 10 percent per year. Alternative estimates for 20 percent growth and zero growth in the program are also presented.[13]

A Flood of Legal Immigrants

Under CIRA, immigrants could enter the country or attain lawful status within the country through eight channels. In each channel, immigrants would be granted permanent residence and the right to become citizens. The first channel represents immigrants who would have entered under current law; the second channel represents illegal immigrants who are currently in the country and would be given legal permanent residence under the bill. The other six channels represent new inflows of legal immigrants that would occur as a result of the bill. The total number of new legal immigrants over a twenty year period would be as follows: (See Charts 1 and 2.)

 

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  1. Visas under current law: Roughly 950,000 persons receive permanent residence visas under current law each year. Over 20 years, the inflow of immigrants through this channel would be 19 million. This represents the status quo under existing law.
     
  2. Amnesty: The bill would grant amnesty to roughly 10 million illegal immigrants. These individuals are currently living in the U.S.; amnesty would allow them to remain legally and to become U.S. citizens.
     
           
  3. Expanded family chain migration: The number of family-sponsored visas for secondary family members, such as adult brothers and sisters, is currently limited to 480,000 per year minus the number of visas given to immediate family members (spouses, minor children, and parents of U.S. citizens). The bill changes the law so that the total quota on secondary family members would be 480,000 without deductions for immediate family members. The net increase in the number of immigrants under this provision would be around 254,000 per year, or 5.1 million over 20 years.[14]
     
  4. Employment-based green cards: The bill would increase the number of employment-based visas from 140,000 to 450,000 per year. For the first time, it would also exempt the spouses and children of workers from the cap. Total annual immigration under this provision is likely to be 450,000 workers plus 540,000 family members annually. The net increase above current law over 20 years would be around 13.5 million persons.[15]
     
  5. The guest worker (H-2C) program: CIRA would allow 325,000 persons to participate in the guest worker program in the first year. This number could rise by 65,000 in the next year and then by 20 percent per year. Assuming 10 percent annual growth in the annual number of guest workers entering the country (well below the bill’s maximum), the total inflow of workers under this program would be 20 million over 20 years.
     
  6. Spouses and children of guest workers: Guest workers could bring their spouses and children to the U.S. as permanent residents; the added number of entrants would be 24 million over 20 years.
     
  7. Spouses and children of illegal immigrants given amnesty: Illegal immigrants who received amnesty could bring their spouses and children into the U.S. as legal permanent residents with the opportunity for full citizenship. The number of spouses and children who would enter the U.S. as a result of amnesty would be at least six million.
     
  8. Parents of naturalized citizens. The bill would substantially increase the number of naturalized citizens. Naturalized citizens would have an unlimited right to bring their parents into the U.S. as legal permanent residents. Over twenty years, the number of parents who would enter the U.S. as permanent legal residents as a result of CIRA would be around five million.

Overall, the bill would allow some 103 million persons to legally immigrate over the next twenty years. This is roughly one-third of the current population of the United States. All of these new entrants would be permanent residents and would have the right to become citizens. This would be a 84 million person net increase over current law.

 

Legal Flow Compared to Illegal Immigration

All of the immigration discussed to this point would be legal immigration. If illegal immigration continued after enactment of S.2611, the inflow of immigrants would be even greater. Although illegal immigration is considered a major problem, the proposed legal immigration under CIRA would dwarf it numerically. The net inflow of illegal immigrants into the U.S. population is around 700,000 per year.[16] Legal immigration under CIRA would exceed five million per year, seven times the rate of the current illegal immigration flow. Annual legal and illegal immigration together now equals about 1.7 million; future legal immigration alone under CIRA would be three times this amount.

 

Range of Estimates

The figure of 103 million new legal immigrants is based on the assumption that immigration under the guest worker program would grow at 10 percent per year. If guest-worker immigration grows at the maximum rate permitted by the bill, 20 percent per year, the total number of new immigrants coming to the U.S. over the next twenty years would be 193 million. On the other hand, if immigration under the H-2C program did not increase at all for two decades but remained fixed at the initial level of 325,000 per year, total legal immigration under CIRA would be 72 million over twenty years, or more than three times the level that would occur under current law. (See Chart 3.)

 



Chart 3

The tables in the Appendix show annual inflows of total legal immigrants in each of the eight channels mentioned above over the next twenty years. The tables show the estimated yearly rate of immigration under three scenarios for the H-2C program: zero growth, ten percent growth, and twenty percent growth.

 

Dwarfing the Great Migration

Between 1870 and 1920, the U.S. experienced a massive flow of immigration known as the “great migration”. During this period, foreign born persons hovered between 13 and 15 percent of the population.[17]In 1924, Congress passed major legislation greatly reducing future immigration. By 1970, foreign born persons had fallen to 5 percent of the population.

 

In the last three decades, immigration has increased sharply. The foreign born now comprise around 12 percent of the population, approaching the levels of the early 1900’s. However, if CIRA were enacted, and 100 million new immigrants entered the country over the next twenty years, foreign born persons would rise to over one quarter of the U.S. population.[18] There is no precedent for that level of immigration at any time in U.S. history. 

 

Conclusion

If enacted, CIRA would be the most dramatic change in immigration law in 80 years. In its overall impact on the nation, the bill would rival other historic milestones, such as the creation of Social Security or Medicare.

 

The bill would give amnesty to 10 million illegal immigrants and quintuple the rate of legal immigration into the U.S. Under the bill, the annual inflow of immigrants with the option of becoming legal permanent residents would rise from the current level of one million per year to more than five million per year. Within a few years, the annual inflow of new immigrants would exceed one percent of the current U.S. population. This would be the highest immigration rate in U.S. history.

 

Within 20 years, some 103 million new immigrants would enter the U.S. This number is about one-third of the current U.S. population. All of these immigrants would be permanent residents with the right to become citizens and vote in U.S. elections. CIRA would transform the United States socially, economically, and politically. Within two decades, the character of the nation would differ dramatically from what exists today. 

 

Robert Rector is Senior Research Fellow in Domestic Policy Studies at The Heritage Foundation.

 

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[1] S.2611, Section 601.

[2] S.2611 under Section 601, section 245B(a)(2).

[3] S.2611, under Section 601, section 245B (a)(3).

[4] S.2611, Section 403 (f)(1).

[5] S.2611 Section 408 (n)(1)(B).

[6] See S.6211, Section 403 (m)(1). Some might argue that the number of guest workers who would be permitted to attain LPR status would be subject to the overall caps on employment-based permanent visas elsewhere in law. But Section 408(h) of the bill, which deals with the right of guest workers to convert to LPR status, clearly states that “employment-based immigrant visas shall be made available to an alien having nonimmigrant status described in section 101(a)(15)(H)(ii)(c) [the H-2C program] upon the filing of a petition for such a visa.” In other word, LPR status shall be granted to any guest worker upon his filing of petition; there is no mention of any numeric cap or other mechanism limits the number of such status adjustments. If the bill’s authors intend to limit the opportunity of guest workers to obtain legal permanent residence with a numeric cap, then the bill should explicitly state that fact.

[7] S.2611 Section 501 (a)

[8] S.2611 Section 501(b)

[9] S.2611, Section 501(b)

[10] S.2611, Section 501(b)

[11] Ruth Ellen Wasem, “U.S. Immigration Policy on Permanent Admissions,” CRS Report for Congress, Congressional Research Service, Library of Congress, May 12, 2006, p. 18.

[12] Ibid.

[13] Several factors have not been included in the estimates. The paper ignores future levels of illegal immigration. The paper assumes that there are some 12 million illegal immigrants in the U.S.; this widely used figure rests on the assumption that nearly all illegal immigrants are counted in annual Census surveys. In fact, the number of illegal immigrants in the U.S. may be much larger; this would mean that the number of immigrants eligible for amnesty would also be higher. The paper also assumes that there will be no successful fraud in applications for amnesty; in fact, the standards for proving prior residence and employment in the U.S. are very flimsy. Fraud may be prevalent, further boosting amnesty numbers. Finally, there is no attempt to estimate return to native countries or reverse migration by new immigrants. In effect, the paper assumes that returns will be matched by a corresponding increase in new entrants under the H-2C program.

[14] This number is the net increase in immigration due to the legislation and does not include the secondary family members who would have immigrated under current law.

[15] This number is the net increase in employment-based immigration and does not include persons who would have immigrated under current law.

[16] Jeffrey Passel Unauthorized Migrants: Numbers and Characteristics, Pew Hispanic Center, Washington, D.C, June 14, 2005, p.6.

[17]National Research Council, The New Americans: Economic, Demographic and Fiscal Effects of Immigration, National Academy Press, Washington, D.C. 1997, p. 35

[18] Currently there are around 35.7 million foreign-born persons in the U.S. (Passel, op.cit., p.3). With a new influx of 103 million immigrants, the total foreign-born population would reach around 124 million (adjusting for deaths in the interim.) Given the massive projected immigration, the population of the U.S. would have swollen to around 449 million by 2027. This would be up from a base projection of around 355 million. (U.S. Census Bureau, 2004, “U.S. Interim Projections by Age, Sex, Race and Hispanic Origin,” at http.://www.census.gov/ipc/www/usinterimproj/. The foreign born would comprise around 27 percent of the total population.



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Oknut:
"IMO, there's no shortage of workers - there's a shortage of honorable employers. "
 
This SAYS IT ALL!
 
Who needs enemies when you have Corporate leaders like ours? (and the politicians just reflect their interests because we allow the corporations to buy them, or vice versa).
 
 
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Why Aren't the Feds Frog-Walking Tyson Foods Executives? / honchos tight w/ Clintons & Pres.G Bush

Recently, Department of Homeland Security's Secretary Michael Chertoff made a big deal out of federal agents arresting seven current and former managers of IFCO Systems North American, Inc. for conspiring to transport, harbor, and encourage and induce illegal aliens to reside in the United States for commercial advantage and private financial gain.

Chertoff noted that the conspiracy charge carries a penalty of up to 10 years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000 for each alien they're responsible for hiring. Two other IFCO employees were arrested on criminal charges relating to fraudulent documents.

Under the current administration, interior and work site enforcement have been virtually abandoned with the exception of extremely isolated and highly publicized raids such as the IFCO busts.

Since the day Bush took office his people have steadfastly refused to enforce a variety of immigration laws. Now President Bush wants to create the impression that our immigration laws can't be enforced by convincing the American public that the only alternative to amnesty and guest workers is mass deportation.

Now, I'm not going to denigrate DHS's efforts to enforce immigration laws. However, when we have companies such as Tyson Foods closing plants because they expect their illegal alien workers to partake in protests, boycotts and demonstrations, why aren't the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents swarming all over their facilities?

Perhaps the reason Tyson Foods openly hires illegal aliens is that it's head honchos are tight with the Clintons and President George W. Bush.

Tyson Foods' financial records show that they had been funding former US president Bill Clinton in many of his political campaigns, beginning back at the time when Clinton was Governor of Arkansas. Don Tyson was one of Bill Clinton's closest friends and biggest supporters, according to grand jury testimony concerning Tyson's political misconduct. And Don Tyson was Bill Clinton's top fundraiser during his governorship and presidential elections.

Joe Henrickson, a former Tyson airplane pilot, admitted to transporting endless envelopes of cash from Tyson corporate offices to Governor Clinton, money that doesn't figure in the annual accounting system.

Also, Tyson Foods was fined $6 million as a result of confessing their donation of at least $12,000 in cash and gifts to former US Agricultural Secretary, Mike Espy, up until his swift departure in early 1994. A Wall Street Journal article noted that, "Espy had been "feted" by Don Tyson at a football game and had outlined several regulatory decisions that seemed to benefit Tyson Foods." In another instance, inside information supplied by Tyson Foods chief counsellor James Blair to Hilary Clinton on a swine futures market deal enabled the First Lady to make an overnight profit of approximately $100,000.

More recent records show that Tyson was a big contributer to President Bush's campaigns, as well. More importantly, President Bush generally favors plans to give millions of illegal immigrants a chance at US citizenship without leaving the country, but does not want to be more publicly supportive because of opposition among conservative House Republicans, according to senators who attended a recent White House meeting.

Truth be told, the worksite enforcement program has been a low priority under both INS and ICE. For example, in fiscal year 1999 INS devoted about 9 percent of its total investigative agents' time to worksite enforcement, while in fiscal year 2003 it allocated about 4 percent. ICE officials claim that the agency has experienced difficulties in proving employer violations and setting and collecting fine amounts that meaningfully deter employers from knowingly hiring unauthorized workers.

In addition, INS and then ICE shifted its worksite enforcement focus to critical infrastructure protection after September 11, 2001. DHS also developed new written procedures and acted to ensure that immigration investigators are aware of all individuals with revoked visas who may be in the country.

However, weaknesses remain. For example, State Department and DHS procedures are not fully coordinated and lack performance standards, such as specific time frames, for completing each step of the process. Outstanding legal and policy issues continue to exist regarding the removal of individuals based solely on their visa revocation.

As part of its mission to ensure national security, DHS is charged with enforcing the laws requiring employers to employ only individuals authorized to work in the United States. The Form I-9 requirement stems from Section 274A of the Immigration and Nationality Act and implementing regulations, which require all U.S. employers (including agricultural associations or employers who recruit or refer persons for employment for a fee) to verify on the Form I-9 the identity and employment eligibility of all employees -- including U.S. citizens -- hired to work in the United States after November 6, 1986.

Completed Forms I-9 are not filed with the federal government. Instead, they must be retained by the employer in its own files and made available for inspection by DHS, the Special Counsel for Immigration-Related Unfair Employment Practices, or the Department of Labor for three years after the date of hire or one year after the date the employee's employment is terminated, whichever is later.

Recruiters or referrers for a fee are required to retain the Form I-9 records for three years after the date of the hire. Failure to properly complete and retain the Form I-9 subjects the employer to civil penalties ranging from $110 to $1,100. Hardly a penalty for companies making millions of dollars in profits due to low wages paid to illegal aliens.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote oknut Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 16 2006 at 5:38pm
The corruption and immoral behavior at the highest levels of our nation upset all of us to the point of exhaustion.

We honestly need to find and "DEMAND" a better way to be represented.

If illegal immigrants can make demands the people who have been paying all the bills and salaries have a right to make a few too.

We need the ability to put some Honest people in office. We don't have that option now.
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JMcB Thanks for the article... I passed it on.
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Originally posted by Gimme Gimme wrote:

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Something else to consider is a change to the constitution amendment allowing automatic citizenship to any baby born in the US even if their parents have entered the country illegally.  "Anchor baby"
 
Something really wrong with that, wonder if that was its original intent?
 
I didn't mention that because it would take more than an act of Congress to change the Constitution.  The original intent was to prevent states from disinfranchising blacks after the Civil War by claiming they were not citizens, therefore not elegible to vote.
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Originally posted by DISPENSER 4 HIR DISPENSER 4 HIR wrote:

Originally posted by Gimme Gimme wrote:

DISPENSER 4 HIR

Something else to consider is a change to the constitution amendment allowing automatic citizenship to any baby born in the US even if their parents have entered the country illegally.  "Anchor baby"
 
Something really wrong with that, wonder if that was its original intent?
 
I didn't mention that because it would take more than an act of Congress to change the Constitution.  The original intent was to prevent states from disinfranchising blacks after the Civil War by claiming they were not citizens, therefore not elegible to vote.
 
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Amend the Amendment!!! 
 
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Wouldn't it be an interesting scenario if folks who are not in favor of amnesty and the legalization express route...if they/we would just be able to organize a march nationally and have just as many (if not more) than those who showed up for the infamous Monday immigration marches!?  Now that would put the politicos on both sides into a real quandry to see the "real" voters out there en masse....and then feel the "true" economic impact of that kind of a march!!

P.S. marks6555...I really liked the "birds are bipartisan, I think" post! LOL
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Originally posted by Oisanatta Oisanatta wrote:

Wouldn't it be an interesting scenario if folks who are not in favor of amnesty and the legalization express route...if they/we would just be able to organize a march nationally and have just as many (if not more) than those who showed up for the infamous Monday immigration marches!?  Now that would put the politicos on both sides into a real quandry to see the "real" voters out there en masse....and then feel the "true" economic impact of that kind of a march!!
 
I would absolutely love to see this occur. Unfortunatley the concerned working class are trapped into providing income for their families and fear repercussions from such an action. I believe that it would be a VERY effective method of expressing our outrage.
 
What would even be better would be for employers of illegal aliens to say "OK gents, you have tomorrow off without pay. I'll be marching downtown!" Fat chance of that... Censored
 
OH WAIT! Lamp How 'bout let's take Memorial Day or the Fourth of July and peacefully assemble nationwide at noon in front of our courthouses carrying our 'Stars and Stripes' . The picnics, outings, etc. could wait for an hour or two. What a visual and political impact that would have!
 
 
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MI National Guard and border security

 

 

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Created: 5/17/2006 4:07:51 PM

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Lansing - State lawmakers will discuss Michigan's response to President Bush's plan to use the National Guard. The call is to help border security near the U.S. - Mexico boundary.

The President introduced his plan in a nationally televised speech Monday night.

State Senator Cameron Brown of Saint Joseph County says Michigan has not yet been asked to send soldiers.

Brown says his subcommittee, which will meet Thursday in Lansing. The subcommittee will discuss potential guard use at its meeting.

 

 http://www.wzzm13.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=54606

 

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May 24, 2006, 5:21PM
Guard Soldiers May Go to Border Next Week

By LOLITA C. BALDOR Associated Press Writer

 
 
WASHINGTON — The first wave of about 800 National Guard soldiers will head to the U.S-Mexico border as early as next week, including planners and leadership personnel who will stay longer than the planned 21-day missions, the National Guard chief told lawmakers Wednesday.

Lt. Gen. Steven Blum said 200 soldiers are preparing to go to each of the four border states _ California, Texas, Arizona and New Mexico _ around June 1. He said the initial troops will be part of a longer-term force of project managers who will stay on the job over time to provide continuity in the new border program.

The troops represent the launch of President Bush's plan to dispatch up to 6,000 National Guard members to states bordering Mexico to support the Border Patrol and help stem the flow of illegal immigrants across the border.

It was not clear whether the initial influx of Guard members would come from the four border states or from other units across the country. Blum said the Guard troop that will be deployed longer than three weeks are volunteers.

Under the plan, most of the troops would spend about 21 days, which includes their normal annual two-week training mission, working along the border. The Guard troops would be used for engineering, road and fence building, transportation, logistics and surveillance and reconnaissance.

Blum and Paul McHale, assistant defense secretary for homeland defense, repeatedly told members of the House Armed Services Committee that the guard members would be armed for personal protection, but would not do significant law enforcement duties.

And they said the two-year plan _ which calls for using up to 6,000 troops at a time in the first year, and no more than 3,000 in the second year _ will not overtax the guard or impair troops' ability to train or prepare for combat.

Some committee members echoed complaints from critics who have suggested that the border plan would overburden a National Guard that is already stretched by deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan. But Blum said the border program, coupled with the approximately 71,000 Guard members deployed overseas, still leaves more than 350,000 Army and Air Guard available for other homeland defense or disaster assistance.

David Aguilar, chief of the border patrol, also told lawmakers that the plan will be augmented with additional, strategically located fencing, as well as an increased of about 6,000 border patrol guards by some time in 2008.

Congress members, including committee Chairman Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., urged officials to use more fencing to stop the flow of illegal immigrants.

Hunter and others also expressed concerns about the need to shore up other border enforcement efforts, including the fact that some U.S. attorneys will not prosecute smugglers who bring in fewer than a dozen illegal immigrants.

Some members said they want to see more unmanned aerial vehicles used for surveillance.

The military leaders said such aircraft will be used, and that there are specific safeguards being put in place to ensure they will only gather information on illegal immigration and not be used to collect intelligence on American citizens.

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