Nepal - 14 persons die unknown disease

Juliep wrote: In spite of the fact that there seemed to be some uncertainty to this story we decided to send it to our subscribers - just in case. Just received the following from the Director of Animal Health of the Government of Nepal in Kathmandu... "I am regularly getting the bird flu news from you.I am the Director of Animal Health in Nepal and and I am also working as focal point for bird flu.I am also the delegate for OIE from  Nepal.I mean to say that I am also responsible for information on bird flu. As you mentioned Bird flu in Nepal this is just rumour  by the media  not the diagnosed  and investigated report." I am awaiting his response to queries about the 14 victims, as well as the 2,000 dead pigs.  I'll post whatever info I receive.

NEWS OF THE AREA -

It's okay to continue posting information from hiszroe.  We were initially concerned because hiszroe had removed the original report.  Organizations that report 14 people are dead in an epidemic hazard and then pull the information off the site the next day would draw obvious concerns.  Since they placed it back their site, everything is fine.   We have to really be sure to scrutinize all news sources for accuracy.   

 

Anyway Sand, you posted this and brought it to everyone's attention.  Good job. 

Ok have I missed something what happened with the Nepal incident?  What is the final diagnosis? I gather from the last few posts it has shown not to be bf, either way you guys did a fantastic job and made me understand that we may actually get a heads up here first due to your amazing work and committment everyone cheers from down under

Hi ozgirl, the press is on the way there now to investigate it.   Nobody knows anything yet, but we're about to find out.   If the original report is accurate, a lethal virus has gone from killing chickens to humans.  Since viruses don’t usually make the jump from birds to humans like that, “something” unusual may have happened.

 

I did take a break and totally off topic will make the comment our new baby in the ultrasound appeared to be break dancing, and the jaws have started moving already. Looks like she is going to be as much of a talker as her dad.

Have read through what's going on and (comment)

I think like all opinionated people there are a few snarls and hisses and we all make mistakes. To Jhetta, Sands, Albert, and advisors and etc. in here, when I post, I expect to get feedback and sometimes even jumped. Sands, things get heated in here, and sometimes you find a link, even have read it, post it, make some comments, and wham.

Well, honestly we cannot, at least I cannot working on 3 research projects and splitting my time with 2 universities and the government, be an AFF scholar. I do not have time to read every post, I am not familiar with every link that has been posted, and there are doctors here and I who will forever probably have a certain amount of banter and heated discussion.

I take no one's word based on credentials, experience, or if they are head of whatever organization with unquestioned faith. I question everything.
As a congress person I spoke to recently said we all get up in the morning, etc. etc. the same way, etc. etc. The mystic veil of authority of knowledge does not hold up when knowledge and new data is constantly being born on the Internet. You may think you know medicine or disease, or genetics or virology, but some person can publish and upset the whole applecart and most of what you thought, was wrong. And concerning their new breakthrough, including some things we are working on, it is knowledge that did not exist before we published it. You can't be knowledeable on instanteous communication when it did not exist to you in open journals.

It is normal when you question authority people sometimes, (not always) who are used to people having this kind of unwavering faith in their opinion and judgement to not be outclassed, ignornant, and simply back down and say.. well I am an expert - what do you know? In this case (finally something bringing back to the thread) we have people posting who live in the aread. Be we techie, doctor, programmer, geek, whatever, they know more than we do about their own road they walk on everyday and we can learn from them in many areas on what is going on in Nepal.

Point is, there are no medical experts who in 100 years will seem to have been medicine men chanting to pagan gods or earth spirits and dancing around a fire. Non-invasive medicine, a huge decrease in the use of prescription medicine, and a turn to alternative therapies will replace huge portions of what is practiced today. This is an evolving process. And when blasted on the media, under spotlight you can view huge blaring errors in every sector of government or medical practice.

Medicines given, procedures done, which are sworn by, heart pills which cause heart attacks, debating on if margarine or butter are best for you. The world is changing. Sorry health professionals, we can barely keep up on what is happening in our fields, no matter how fast we can read, surf, or what we were taught.

Point : I sometimes heatedly disagree and then I will hear a classic "Well, if you knew what I knew, or you have no idea what you are talking about.

Someone in research told us our current process for non-invasive internal body scanning was completely impossible. It simply could not work. For 30 years it as generally known no one could possible develop technology to do it.

I have media recorded from a working prototype of this device. And we have endured some vigorous attacks over the years. You cannot argue with reality. Well you can, and people do, but in the end medicine advances and many dearly held theories and beliefs die bitter deaths.

So, we have discussed water borne Avian. And let's face it - if Avian mutates and presents itself differently - we still don't know. Simply saying, well this happened last year, or this happens all the time does tend to stress me. I go to a lot of funerals. They happen all the time as well. And we are getting far too many in Indonesia and other new outbreaks where Avian is gaining a foothold on humankind.

These are my opinions. I have over 14 years of college and decades of experience in the medical field. I can walk into X university where they got a new sequencer or whatever and talk to someone who lives, eats, and breathes genetics and despite reading journals and spending 5 hours a day learning, going to school, and studying technology, I can't keep up

This is relevant. I defnitely cannot keep up on this forum. If you have posted something, or link has already been posted, I don't have the hours in the day, to go through every post. If its a duplicate post or thread, then people in here move like buzzing bees on data and surfing.

We still don't know what this is. I do think we have done a great job of working on it without getting into a lot of petty bickering and we should always try to avoid that. I love you all. I am a humantarian, a Christian, and soon to be a daddy. I want to see America work, survive, and our government infrastructure, however it is criticized endure whatever crisis, disaster, or attack, so we can hold on the freedom to be Americans.

I am long winded and people are going to stress sometimes and want me to post just articles and not comment. I will not be offended when you see Medclinician and quickly click "next post" without reading a word. I rarely do that on certain threads. I read every single line, which is why I spend 5 hours a day, learning on the net.

It's not over on this event. Now I will not get all Ghandi on you or get fundamentalist Christian, but I care about everyone here... our planet - every single death in every single country.

God bless America and when I read of the horrendous situations all over the world, we better keep our act together, stop fighting each other when we face the common enemies of hostile rogue nations who would like to see us all buried. We are at war, and the war on drugs and extremists may very well become a war on a score of viruses which doesn't care about face, race, sexual, or religious preference.

You did good Sands. Don't be sorry. You discovered something which may be a flash in the pan or save hundreds of thousands of lives. That is the goal, right. To save lives. Be proud. Don't feel crushed when these links and sites and people betray you. Don't be overwhealmed when suddenly you post something and it gets really heated. This is a very hot kitchen, this AFF, and there are a lot of conflicting ideas here.

Know for certain, this is not the last event and I think AFF is a lifeline which runs past classic media. It is no blog. It is simply a very wide spectrum of people learning, posting, researching, to help the whole planet. I am honored to be here. So we wait, and watch, and get ready - that is a good thing.

KATMANDU, Nepal (AP) - Nepalese health officials ruled out Tuesday a mysterious disease outbreak in a mountain village, saying seven people who died there in less than two weeks had died of a variety of causes.

On Saturday the Kathmandu Post reported 14 unexplained deaths in Betini, Nuwakot district, sparking concerns that a deadly disease had struck the village, possibly bird flu. The report said the disease first struck dogs and chicken in June.

Two teams of health workers were sent from a district hospital to investigate the deaths in Betini, about 30 miles northwest of the capital Katmandu, but found no mysterious outbreak, Bikash Lamichane, a doctor at a local hospital said on the telephone Tuesday.

The health workers discovered that only seven had died, five of chronic diseases including asthma and kidney problems, and two of diarrhea, Lamichane said.

There are not many hospitals or doctors in the villages in Nepal and patients in the mountainous region have to walk for hours if not days to reach the nearest road to get to a hospital.

medclinician: we are all conscripted and now we are all medclinicians. We all will have to respond in different ways and now the source of the attack matters little. Our very survival is at stake and if we do not pull together we will pull apart. This is coming and it is my gut feeling that it is coming very soon indeed.

There are many "fires" in many, many places. Too many for me to not think that they are connected in some diabolical way. Misdiagnoses are rampant because we have seen that there are many incidents that the professionals are not utilizing labs for specificity. These actions, or lack of them, are unthinkable considering these areas are ripe for BF. We know that it is difficult to differentiate between many of these diseases by clinical observation only. We ask why, is it lack of funding, non-compliance, or apathy? Or is it that they know what they are dealing with and are attempting to stem the tide of panic that will sweep the world with the announcement of a pandemic waiting instead until we are in its grip, which will change the face of that panic. The unaware will not face what is coming but they will respond between waves when they have no necessities of life. This "event" is being managed and, of course, this is an opinion. Whether it is being managed correctly, only God knows.

Man's politics is the albatross around our necks.

Medclinician - Thanks for all the time you put into posting on this forum.  I find your posts truly interesting.  I will admit, that I make it a point to have a fresh cup of coffee before I begin to read your posts, as I know I will be sitting for a spell.  Your willingness and dedication is truly truly wonderful and very much appreciated!  I will remember you in my prayers.  Your heart is going to absolutely melt when you hold that baby girl for the first time.  It's such a great thing.......your life is just going to change forever but it's a good change.  No matter what I say, words cannot prepare you for the love you will feel for that little being.  You will be wrapped around her little finger instantly.

Juliep wrote: In spite of the fact that there seemed to be some uncertainty to this story we decided to send it to our subscribers - just in case. Just received the following from the Director of Animal Health of the Government of Nepal in Kathmandu... "I am regularly getting the bird flu news from you.I am the Director of Animal Health in Nepal and and I am also working as focal point for bird flu.I am also the delegate for OIE from  Nepal.I mean to say that I am also responsible for information on bird flu. As you mentioned Bird flu in Nepal this is just rumour  by the media  not the diagnosed  and investigated report." I am awaiting his response to queries about the 14 victims, as well as the 2,000 dead pigs.  I'll post whatever info I receive.

Where did the 2000 dead pigs come into play?  Initially it was poultry, and dogs with the human deaths

Sand: I thank you for the post that started this thread. It is what drew me here to this forum and I am sincerely glad to find a new source of information  on the web.

@ Judy

standingfirm wrote: Albert, could you delete this thread? That action may be in the best interests of all. Medclinician has posted, he said he won't until this is it. Med? IMHO: We know how to proceed and this thread is unnecessary in light of new developments.

I have revised my post. I think it is appropriate.

not with Nepal but 20,000 cases of conjunctivitis in vietnam seems pretty telling to me that we have crossed a threshold.

Albert, no panic over anything. We will be fine! We are all fighters here.

No reply from the director of animal health but the following came from the director of a poultry breeding farm in Nepal...

"This is a totally baseless news. Not even a single poultry is dead from so called bird flu here in Nepal till now. Hence the death of 14 people by bird flu is completely non sense and out of question. The case of Nuwakot, where it was claimed that some three hundred chickens were died from unidentified disease, was taken place in december 2005, not in last week of june. You will get more authentic information regarding this event later on through email. But one thing for sure that we never have experience even a single case of bird flu till now and we pray with almighty thhe Lord Pashupati Nath that we never had to experince the epidemic."

Juliep wrote: No reply from the director of animal health but the following came from the director of a poultry breeding farm in Nepal... "This is a totally baseless news. Not even a single poultry is dead from so called bird flu here in Nepal till now. Hence the death of 14 people by bird flu is completely non sense and out of question. The case of Nuwakot, where it was claimed that some three hundred chickens were died from unidentified disease, was taken place in december 2005, not in last week of june. You will get more authentic information regarding this event later on through email. But one thing for sure that we never have experience even a single case of bird flu till now and we pray with almighty thhe Lord Pashupati Nath that we never had to experince the epidemic."

Here's my card, Judy. I really needed to post it here someplace, after reading these comments all the time around here by people who only seem to be interested in their own wellbeing and safety.

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