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Dutch vaccination plan lagging behind

Vaccinations in Germany will begin the day after Christmas, but the Dutch will have to wait until January for their shots. But criticisms have arisen of the hesitant and slow decision making by the Dutch government. Hanco Jürgens of the German Institute of the University of Amsterdam commented that he believes the Netherlands will only really be ready for mass vaccination by March.



While the Netherlands lag behind their neighbours regarding vaccination strategies, systems for tracking vaccinations are also only expected to be ready around March. The Dutch government plan to link vaccinations to DigiD accounts. A downloadable vaccination certificate will be available for you once you log in. But, as mentioned, this system is only expected to be ready three months after the first vaccinations in the Netherlands.

https://dutchreview.com/news/coronavirus-news/coronavirus-update-shocking-jump-in-weekly-infections-across-the-netherlands/

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DJ [url]https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1341712027409117185[/url] or https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1341712027409117185

The Netherlands, Sweden, and the United States are world leaders in Covid-19 cases per population.

We can thank countries that allowed the virus to run rampant for gifting the world new mutations

-In roling 7 day average...using [url]https://ourworldindata.org/[/url] or https://ourworldindata.org/ 

Virologist Marianne Koopmans is asking for double testing for people coming from the UK or SA-to at least try to keep mutated virusses out...(our "government" does not see a need to do so...in polls the right wing conservative-liberals even get more support...

[url]https://dutchreview.com/coronavirus/fast-spreading-variant-coronavirus-amsterdam/[/url] or https://dutchreview.com/coronavirus/fast-spreading-variant-coronavirus-amsterdam/

Two more people in the Netherlands have tested positive for the new, fast-spreading variant of coronavirus. Both cases were found in Amsterdam. One person had recently been to the United Kingdom, the other had not.

This is following Sunday’s news that the new variant of coronavirus was found in one person in the Netherlands. The Minister for Health, Hugo De Jonge, has told the NOS that an investigation will be launched into how the two people may have contracted the mutated strain.

Entry ban

On Sunday, it was announced that the Netherlands would impose an entry ban on travellers from the United Kingdom. This meant that anyone looking to come to the Netherlands from the UK would not be allowed to enter the country, resident or not.

A similar measure was brought in for South African flight passengers on Monday. However, the government has now announced that EU citizens who are travelling from both the UK and South Africa and who can show a recent negative coronavirus test result, will now be allowed to enter the Netherlands.

No need for extra measures

De Jonge tells the NOS that he does not believe stricter measures are necessary for the Netherlands. Instead, he says that people need to continue to stick by the current measures.



“It’s not that easy to come up with something on top of that, the current set should be enough if we just stick to the rules very well.”

Jump in numbers

The new variant of coronavirus is not the Netherlands’ only problem. Coronavirus numbers have seen a significant jump this past week with 82,340 people testing positive for the virus. The previous week, that number stood at 58,412.

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DJ-The Dutch disaster is unfolding...Some seem to believe the "UK variant" in fact is from NL "but we've missed it"...

The Dutch CDC-RIVM [url]https://www.rivm.nl/en/news/spread-of-uk-coronavirus-variant-in-netherlands[/url] or https://www.rivm.nl/en/news/spread-of-uk-coronavirus-variant-in-netherlands is going for crowd control claiming there is no evidence the UK variant is widespread. "They hope the lockdown worked" " Coming days are essential to see effects of the lockdown"..."Not yet certain UK variant is more infectious" 

DJ-I have to stay polite...Dutch MSM report "less cases"   NOT "less testing"  ! [url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/28/covid-infections-plunge-18-fewer-get-tested-icu-total-sets-new-peak[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/28/covid-infections-plunge-18-fewer-get-tested-icu-total-sets-new-peak with hospital cases pushing care over its limits/capacity...[url]https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/11-cases-of-infectious-british-covid-strain-identified-in-the-netherlands/[/url] or https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/11-cases-of-infectious-british-covid-strain-identified-in-the-netherlands/ NL is now at #19 in the worldometer list of cases-we will get over 1 million cases mid january (DJ) on a population of just over 17 million...(Increasing ICU capacity is getting impossible due to staff shortages not forseen by our "government". Non-Covid care is only available in urgent-life saving-cases...for now. DJ-Proberbly early next month care is running out of capacity...) 

The "boss" of the RIVM-not taking any responsibility for shortage of PPE in care centers during spring, a lack of testing for staff of care centers [url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/28/care-workers-annoyed-rivm-linked-nursing-home-covid-outbreaks-education-level[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/28/care-workers-annoyed-rivm-linked-nursing-home-covid-outbreaks-education-level DJ-Basicly the head of the Dutch CDC is saying staff in carecenters "are stupid" and the cause of many deaths....

With our rightwing government putting all responsibilities to "safetyregions", manicupilities, carecenters and the general public it is shocking they get away with their total failure in dealing with this pandemic....

Vaccinations will start-on a small scale-january 8th-most of the rest TEN days later....[url]https://twitter.com/AlexanderNL/status/1343577038721052673/photo/1[/url] or https://twitter.com/AlexanderNL/status/1343577038721052673/photo/1 (almost A MONTH !!! behind the UK !!!)

Some good news from NL; Utrecht Medical Center will participate in testing the German CureVac-vaccine [url]https://www.curevac.com/en/covid-19#clinical-studies[/url] or https://www.curevac.com/en/covid-19#clinical-studies 


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For the [url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/30/uk-coronavirus-strain-found-school-rotterdam-area-teacher-38-died[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/30/uk-coronavirus-strain-found-school-rotterdam-area-teacher-38-died see "new variants". 

DJ All other EU countries have started vaccinations...In NL-with hospitalcare at breaking point-the government still needs to find people to do the vaccinations, has to decide on wich group will get when vaccinated...

The worst part of this bizarre story is the main government party is GAINING in polls...as if Trump in the US would win the elections because he messed up in dealing with the pandemic...only NL is doing even worse....(Is this a "land of lunatics" by now ???)

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/29/covid-hospital-total-sets-new-second-wave-peak-patients-admitted-since-mar-30[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/29/covid-hospital-total-sets-new-second-wave-peak-patients-admitted-since-mar-30 ;

Hospitals in the Netherlands were treating 2,751 people for Covid-19 on Tuesday, the most on any single day since the first half of April. The patient total was 20 percent higher than just one week ago, putting the Netherlands on pace to have well over three thousand patients in treatment by January 5.

During the 24 hours leading up to Tuesday afternoon, hospitals admitted 430 more coronavirus patients, eclipsing any other day going back to March 30, data from both the LCPS and NICE showed. That figure was 44 percent higher than the seven-day moving average of 299.


“The number of COVID patients rose above the highest level from the second wave in early November during the past 24 hours," confirmed Ernst Kuipers, the head of the Dutch acute care providers network.

Also over the past day, 72 Covid-19 patients were moved into intensive care, 47 percent more than the moving average of 49. The Dutch government wants this figure to be no higher than ten in order to comfortably relax social restrictions in place from October, which were then tightened in December.

DJ-Hospitals, care centers are calling for help from the military, the fire dept. Even stopping almost critical non-covid care...(including cancer, hearthdisease..) (In a few places  (Bunschoten, Barneveld a.o.) in NL over 1% of the population tested positive for Covid19 last week )

This report is from dec 22 [url]https://dutchreview.com/news/coronavirus-news/coronavirus-update-shocking-jump-in-weekly-infections-across-the-netherlands/[/url] or https://dutchreview.com/news/coronavirus-news/coronavirus-update-shocking-jump-in-weekly-infections-across-the-netherlands/ 

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/29/13-thousand-deaths-2020-predicted[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/29/13-thousand-deaths-2020-predictedOver 162 thousand people died in the Netherlands through the first 51 weeks of the year. That total was 13 thousand higher, or about 9 percent more, than expected.

DJ-Highest number of excess deaths since end of war in 1945...[url]https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/crucial-operations-under-threat-as-coronavirus-spreads-through-hospitals/[/url] or https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/12/crucial-operations-under-threat-as-coronavirus-spreads-through-hospitals/ 

The UK variant (UKV) may have been around in NL since november-or earlier (or even started in NL-mink related ?) it must be widespread. The 40 Covid19 cases in a cluster in the Rotterdam region last month-with 5 UKV and a teacher (F-38) dead (from the infection ?) are a clear indication for that. 

Like in the UK in NL the "UKV" will get dominant soon in NL. Early investigation-by larger scale testing of samples-may give some retrospective insight. 

[url]https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/current-information[/url] or https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/current-information gives an "unclear picture" hospital/ICU cases going up-positive tests down. Most likely christmas did mean less testing (and more spread) also closing schools may have given lower numbers in the younger age group. The cases of Covid19 in care centers is almost at the peak-and may go over-the spring peak. 

Since we are (supposed to be) in a strict lockdown with non-essential shops closed, gyms, pools, even barbers closed...extra measures are "hard" and may have limited effect. Curfews...Maintaining present rules is almost impossible..like in healthcare, police has "limited capacity" due to Covid-cases and spending cuts...

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End of january we may end up in a "black scenario". Since hospitals can not deal any longer with all the cases some patients will be send away (DJ-often to die..).

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/30/dutch-medical-experts-ask-government-postpone-reopening-schools[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/30/dutch-medical-experts-ask-government-postpone-reopening-schools

In a letter to the Cabinet on Tuesday titled “Playing with fire”, the Red Team, an independent group of medical experts and scientists, strongly advised the government to reconsider opening schools back up in mid-January. The schools were closed when the Cabinet ordered a hard lockdown earlier this month as coronavirus cases sharply escalated.

The organization believes that if schools were to reopen while the number of infections has not yet gone down, an “exponential spread” of the virus will occur. The doctors are particularly concerned because new mutations of the virus, such as those found primarily in South Africa and the United Kingdom.


“The new variants are almost certainly more infectious than the dominant variant in the Netherlands”, so Red Team. A preliminary report conducted by the Imperial College in London, states that the new variant is especially contagious amongst children under the ages of 15. Research has shown that the UK variant is about 70 percent more contagious than what is most prevalent in the Netherlands.

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/30/dutch-coronavirus-total-jumps-26-christmas-break-icu-total-tops-700[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2020/12/30/dutch-coronavirus-total-jumps-26-christmas-break-icu-total-tops-700 

DJ-The november Rotterdam-area school outbreak may have had over 9 UK variant cases..The UK variant (could be from Italy-good info !) is spreading all over the globe...

It will be a "big job" to get any grip on this pandemic (lots of restrictions, increase caccinations..)

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DJ-In NL a [url]https://petities.nl/petitions/begin-maandag-met-vaccineren-ziekenhuispersoneel/signatures/19653522?locale=en[/url] or https://petities.nl/petitions/begin-maandag-met-vaccineren-ziekenhuispersoneel/signatures/19653522?locale=en has started to get people in hospitals vaccinated from monday-january 4. 

The vaccines are there, the capacity to vaccinate is there. There are enough vaccines to also vaccinate those working in care centers. "Politics" is giving people in care centers priority-those working in hospitals may have to wait till summer...

In the meantime hospital care is "at breaking point" in NL "politics" did get that much "out of contact with reality" they seem to be unable to get the urgency...

DJ-Since "social pressure" was growing (exploding) the Dutch "government" has given in to the demand of hospital staff of being included in the first round of vaccinations...(the petition-started by a 12 year old-most likely did increase pressure. Our "government" likes to put the blame on others...people  get fed up with this bunch..)

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/02/hospitals-dire-need-hundreds-nurses[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/02/hospitals-dire-need-hundreds-nurses

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[url]https://www.maurice.nl/2020/08/30/is-there-a-unique-dutch-covid-19-variant/[/url] or https://www.maurice.nl/2020/08/30/is-there-a-unique-dutch-covid-19-variant/ Dutch politics/experts tend to only look at Dutch numbers and data...ignore findings from other countries. 

We had no mandatory masks till a few months ago-NL the only country claiming it had no added value. There also was supposed to be no virus spread via children...all other virusses did spread via children but for some magic reason Covid19 did not-at least in NL...

Still we have no mandatory quarantine-even when around 20% of people testing positive go to the supermarket...There still is a lot of (air) travel-our government "strongly advises against it".. that picture did not change with 2 to 5% of all recent cases being the UK variant, some isolated SA variant cases in NL or close to the border showed up as well. And we do have a very open border with lots of traffic..The Dutch "strategy" is to keep the R0 just below 1 so "the economy will not get so much damage"-that strategy is destroying the economy because every reopening gets the R0 above 1...still the insanity goes on....

[url]https://coronadashboard.government.nl/[/url] or https://coronadashboard.government.nl/ Yes there is-for now-a decline of cases due to the lockdown. [url]https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/01/dutch-extend-lockdown-look-into-curfew-to-contain-british-variant/[/url] or https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/01/dutch-extend-lockdown-look-into-curfew-to-contain-british-variant/ Yes the Dutch government knows from the UK variant-but learning from the UK (and Ireland, Israel) seems to be impossible...

Right wing governments in the US, UK, NL, Brazil, Japan may be the motors behind this pandemic "saving the economy". In NL several billions went to KLM airlines, but HCWers could not get an increase in their low wages...

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/13/clarity-allowance-scandal-consequences-dutch-govt-friday-dutch-pm[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/13/clarity-allowance-scandal-consequences-dutch-govt-friday-dutch-pm Friday we may even see this government resign due to another scandal..there will be elections-is the plan-march 17. 

DJ-I am not neutral-in my opinion neo-liberalism is destructive. I think "our" "liberal conservatives" (vvd) is a white wash/tax fraud criminal organization also funded by Royal Dutch Shell...Political parties have a hard job getting funded, if you are "close to major companies" interests can easily get mixed. 

Since political parties claim they want to control democracy it is often hard to control political parties. Some are against being open on where they get their money from..."for privacy reasons". There is a struggle in wich organized crime is trying to get more grip on political parties-not all parties are even willing to stop that...

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"Our" government has fallen. This is an article about modern fascism. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FascismFascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-rightauthoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy

Some of the characteristics of modern fascism did not change since a 100 years ago. Anti intelectualism, links with large companies (oil, banks, weapons) are still seen in modern fascism. DJ-While it is clear trump, bolsenaro have many "signs"of fascism here in NL it may be less clear. 

It may be hard to keep "right wing populism" and "fascism" apart. Yet when you look at how countries like the US, UK, NL, Brazil are dealing with the present pandemic there are some alarming signals. They all went for "herd immunity"-still seek a balance in "saving the economy" and "protecting the vulnarable"-if the R0 is <1 it is the economy reopening, of course that brings the R0 >1...so "protection" is the claim...

Here in NL [url]https://dutchreview.com/news/press-conference-the-dutch-cabinet-has-fallen/[/url] or https://dutchreview.com/news/press-conference-the-dutch-cabinet-has-fallen/

What was the scandal?

The childcare allowance scandal was the catalyst in this coalition’s collapse. What exactly happened here?

Parents in the Netherlands are usually granted allowances in order to cover the cost of daycare. However, following the release of a report titled, “Unprecedented Justice” last month, the Dutch government has been in hot water.

The report found that more than 20,000 working class parents in the Netherlands had been wrongly accused of fraud by the tax office. These parents were asked to pay back thousands of euros to the tax office, after it concluded that some form of fraud had been carried out.

However, in reality, many of these parents had not committed any fraud and were entitled to the allowances they had been initially granted.

Significant number of dual nationality parents

Of the 20,000 families who were wrongly chased down for fraud, 11,000 of those parents were found to be of dual-nationality. This is something that the tax authority has admitted following accusations of racial profiling.


For years, the tax office would not grant any appeals made by the families affected. As a result, some parents were forced to move homes in order to cover the costs.

The government believe the matter at hand is a political one, not criminal and so those involved in chasing these families will not be criminally prosecuted for the time being.

The government has now answered for this massive failure, one that Rutte acknowledged himself: “It is obvious that we didn’t live up to our standards or protect the citizens from the tax office.”

DJ-Still Rutte wants to be the next PM...While the "right wing liberal-conservative" agenda ment less tax money went to public transport, public housing, public education and public healthcare NL became even more a [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_haven[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_haven . "We" did sign climate agreements-only to break them...

In a Dutch article [url]https://www.groene.nl/artikel/kroniek-van-een-jeune-premier[/url] or https://www.groene.nl/artikel/kroniek-van-een-jeune-premier it is made clear why  right wing populist parties did not get that large in NL-our "liberal conservative" VVD [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Party_for_Freedom_and_Democracy[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Party_for_Freedom_and_Democracy managed to take that role. 

Trump, "BoJo", bolsenaro (but also Marcos-family sponsored Duterte in the Philippines and many others) may be described as "right wing populist"leaders. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Rutte[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Rutte is "smooth", "slick"-always friendly, charming, smiling...

Maybe the way they deal with the pandemic may make clear where the dividing line is between "right wing populism" and "fascism". 

Conservative countries often want to keep a good healthcare-most of the voters for conservative-often religious based-parties are older-they need those hospitals. Housing for the elderly, pensions are well organized. 

In countries with "the other sort of conservatism" there are spending cuts on these facilities. These "conservative" parties "do everything for bussinesses"-in their view, "morale" not only the main-but only-measurement of succes. 

Retrospection, evaluation of goals and means are a dirty word-the stocks exchanges tell the story...The "succesfull businessman"is the model-all others are "lesser humans"...There is a strong link between "Black Lives Matter" and this-man-made-pandemic. 

The [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_movement[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupy_movementThe Occupy movement is an international progressive socio-political movement that expresses opposition to social and economic inequality and to the lack of "real democracy" around the world. It aims primarily to advance social and economic justice and new forms of democracy.

was a clear, early sign. 

This pandemic is man-made, "herd immunity" still is the strategy-even if this means killing millions of people...

Old fascism had its concentration camps till the 50's in Spain under "anti communist"franco. Newer forms of-military-fascism did dump political prisoners out of airplanes into the ocean. People simply "went missing". There was a strong cold war link, anti communism linked scum as pinochet with "decent western leaders" as reagan and tatcher. Both supported apartheid in South Africa, did support all kind of fascist "resistence" groups like the contra's in Nicaragua-killing small farmers with knives provided by the CIA. 

The newer form of fascism is involved in endless oil wars-in the mean time ignoring climate collapse...One may ask what the future of this pandemic will bring . "Never waiste a good crisis" [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_Doctrine[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_DoctrineThe Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism is a 2007 book by the Canadian author and social activist Naomi Klein. In the book, Klein argues that neoliberal free market policies (as advocated by the economist Milton Friedman) have risen to prominence in some developed countries because of a deliberate strategy of "shock therapy". This centers on the exploitation of national crises (disasters or upheavals) to establish controversial and questionable policies, while citizens are too distracted (emotionally and physically) to engage and develop an adequate response, and resist effectively. The book suggests that some man-made events, such as the Iraq War, were undertaken with the intention of pushing through such unpopular policies in their wake.

In many ways "the future is a continuation of the past". I leave it upon the reader how to name "our new democracy" with 0,1% of the people almost claiming they owne half the world-including main stream media and funding most political parties...

If we want this pandemic to end-and not be misused-WE have to act ! "Saving the economy" by going into "further debts" towards an already way to powerfull elite has nothing to do with civilization or law and order-but is a basic contradiction of that. 

"Our"governments do not work for us since they are not paid by us...Do we want a 1984 distopia or do we want democracy ? Do we want to survive or die in a man-made pandemic ? 

DJ-Please comment ! Do I see ghosts ? Is there some point in this ? 

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[url]https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/904598-dutch-government-to-introduce-first-curfew-since-world-war-ii[/url] or https://flutrackers.com/forum/forum/europe-aj/europe-covid-19-sept-13-2020-may-31-2021/904598-dutch-government-to-introduce-first-curfew-since-world-war-ii

Dutch government to introduce first curfew since World War II


AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - The Dutch government is set to add the first nationwide curfew since World War II to its already broad lockdown on Wednesday in a bid to limit the spread of new coronavirus mutations in the Netherlands, broadcaster RTL said.

The curfew would allow only people with pressing needs to leave their homes between 8:30 p.m. and 4:30 a.m. local time as of Friday night, RTL said, citing government sources.

Schools and non-essential shops have already been closed since mid-December, following the shutdown of bars and restaurants two months earlier.

This lockdown will remain in place until at least Feb. 9, Prime Minister Mark Rutte said last week.

-[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/20/rutte-curfew-undesirable-needed-netherlands-ban-flights-uk[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/20/rutte-curfew-undesirable-needed-netherlands-ban-flights-uk ;

Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte announced plans to impose a curfew on the Netherlands from 8:30 p.m. through 4:30 a.m. starting on Friday. The new restrictions proposed on Wednesday also include making those who fly to the Netherlands take a rapid antigen test to further determine if they are infected with the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus, a ban on all flights and ferries from the United Kingdom, passenger flights from South Africa, Suriname and parts of South America, and a maximum of one guest aged 13 or older allowed in a household per day. 

"We are getting out from under this, but first we have to brace ourselves again, now that more contagious variants are coming our way," Rutte said during a press conference with outgoing Health Minister Hugo de Jonge. He was referring to coronavirus mutations like those which have caused surging numbers of infections in the United Kingdom and South Africa.  "The experts are warning of a third wave, and we must take that seriously."

Rutte continued, "The OMT's advice is clear. Do the maximum now, so that we will be ready for what is yet to come."

The outgoing Cabinet will debate the curfew restrictions in Parliament on Thursday. Moments before the press conference, it was not clear if Rutte had support from a majority of MPs to get the curfew approved. With the curfew being a controversial issue, the exiting prime minister opted to try and win over parliamentarians instead of initially attempting to force the curfew through.

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Of course I have my own political (left wing) views still trying to make some sense for the Dutch situation-wich mirrors the situation in lots of countries...

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_childcare_benefits_scandal[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_childcare_benefits_scandal

The Dutch childcare benefits scandal (Dutchkinderopvangtoeslagaffaire or toeslagenaffairelit. '[childcare] benefits affair') is a political scandal in the Netherlands concerning false allegations of fraud made by the Tax and Customs Administration while attempting to regulate the distribution of childcare benefits.[1][2] Between 2013 and 2019, authorities wrongly accused an estimated 26,000 parents of making fraudulent benefit claims, requiring them to pay back the allowances they had received in their entirety.[1][3] In many cases, this sum amounted to tens of thousands of euros, driving families into severe financial hardship.[1][2]

The scandal was brought to public attention in September 2018. Investigators have subsequently described the working procedure of the Tax and Customs Administration as "discriminatory" and filled with "institutional bias".[4][5] On 15 January 2021, two months before the 2021 general election, the third Rutte cabinet resigned over the scandal following a parliamentary inquiry into the matter, which concluded that "fundamental principles of the rule of law" had been violated.[1][2][6]

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When the Tax and Customs Administration suspected seriously culpable acts, the Dutch bureaucracy would mark the involved parents with the label "Deliberate intent/Gross negligence" (DutchOpzet/Grove schuld). Individuals who had received this label were no longer eligible for standard debt collection arrangements. Under the standard arrangement, debtors repay their debt as much as possible over a two year period (without falling below subsistence level) and any debt remaining after that period would then be considered irrecoverable. Because parents were not eligible for such a payment plan, they became heavily indebted.[21] Later investigations showed that 96% of the "Deliberate intent/Gross negligence" qualifications had been inaccurate.

In November 2020, State Secretary for Finance Alexandra van Huffelen released an internal memorandum from 2016, in which it is recommended that anyone with a childcare benefit debt exceeding €3,000 should automatically receive the "Deliberate intent/Gross negligence" qualification. According to Van Huffelen, it was unclear whether this recommendation had been carried out.[21]

Racial profiling[edit]

Whereas the scandal mainly involved false allegations of childcare benefit fraud, it later turned out that the authorities also wrongly suspected residents of making fradulent claims to healthcare benefit, rent benefit and supplementary child benefit.[22] In the case of income tax, it was revealed that the Tax and Customs Administration – under the code name Project 1043 – engaged in racial profiling to find suspicious income tax returns.[23] The Tax and Customs Administration subsequently admitted that more than 11,000 cases were subject to special scrutiny because of their ethnic origin or dual citizenship, raising allegations of institutional racism.[24]

DJ-Some other headlines-in fact showing multiple crises at the same time;

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/25/curfew-riots-least-10-municipalities-190-arrested-amsterdam[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/25/curfew-riots-least-10-municipalities-190-arrested-amsterdam ,

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/25/police-union-expects-days-weeks-curfew-riots[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/25/police-union-expects-days-weeks-curfew-riots 

"politics";

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/25/pm-condemns-criminal-violence-anti-curfew-riots[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/25/pm-condemns-criminal-violence-anti-curfew-riots 

Healthcare 

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/25/hospitals-preparing-code-black-behind-scenes-icu-leader[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/01/25/hospitals-preparing-code-black-behind-scenes-icu-leader 

DJ-my summary in short;

-Like the US, UK NL has a government that could be seen as racist, a legal system that "failed" (in the benefits scandal-one of the conclusions of the report). People with a migration background over represented in prisons, low pay jobs/unemployment. 

-Poverty did increase during the "liberal/conservative" vvd government, housing crisis worsened, healthcare became much more expensive-but the rich did get richer. NL even more became a [url]https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/taxhaven.asp[/url] or https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/taxhaven.asp 

A christian democratic MP ([url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieter_Omtzigt[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieter_Omtzigt )did see resemblance with Malta wich he described as a "failed corrupt country" 

-While NL did a very good job in vaccinating against the Mexican Flu at present vaccination against Covid19 in NL is "close to a disaster". NL did see the largest global outbreaks of [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_fever[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_fever, [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Bovenkarspel_legionellosis_outbreak[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Bovenkarspel_legionellosis_outbreak also large outbreaks in (other) animal diseases happen with high frequency

-The head of the Dutch CDC -[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institute_for_Public_Health_and_the_Environment[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institute_for_Public_Health_and_the_Environment is also still the head of the OMT=Outbreak Management Team here in NL. Untill recently this person first went to the cabinet-meeting (to get political instructions) and after that to the OMT meeting...Several members were at the point of resigning...now meeting of OMT is not that "closely linked" with the government agenda...

-In parliament ; 1. Members from Holland" the two western "provinces"of NL (with Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague-but also Leiden, Delft, Gouda) 5 million population are very OVER represented; the other 12 million Dutch people are very under represented ...Also MP's often have university degrees, a much wealthier background, most of them hardly use public transport...there is a very large gap between people in parliament and those that they should represent...

-DJ-All together less then 2% of the Dutch population are members of a political party. During the Soviet Union 4% of the S.U. population were party members. Turn out by elections is low in poor area's. Only a minority votes...

-During this pandemic two extreme right wing parties (both with US financial links-and with neo-nazi links) claimed NPI went against basic freedom, "there is no pandemic" etc. Also some religious group "tend to believe more in prayer then science"...

-Weak leadership means church services can go on, demonstrations can go on, no mandatory masks till very late (because the RIVM did go against international science claiming no benefit). Still a lot of air travel, no mandatory working from home if possible (1 in 4, 25% of cases people still have to go to the office because our government fail to make good laws..) 

-Over half of the 128 mink farms had to see Covid19 infections before mink farming was stopped. The virus did jump from mink to humans, cats in NL without any (re)action from politics for much to long..

DJ-On this forum I did warn for the "Dutch Disaster" so far other countries even made a bigger mess of how the (mis)managed this pandemic. NL was #3 (after the US and UK) believed to be "best prepared" for the pandemic in 2019. Most likely that idea was based on arrogance for these three-disaster-countries. 

The political reaction on the benefit-scandal, riots gives little hope politics is willing to look at itself to find if they can do a better job. Our national (vvd) government did "dump" care, social security etc to manucipilities without proper budget. Their basic idea is "turned around solidarity"-the poor should support the rich...In this pandemic two ideas dominate, herd immunity and "saving the economy" (so reopening if the R0 gets <1-just to see the R0 goes >1 within weeks...unable to learn anything..) 

Without political change (the vvd still doing good in polls-will push the law & order agenda for march 17 elections) the crises will worsen. The US did get rid of trump, we may see Mark(et) Rutte as our next PM eventhough his party is destroying NL..

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We will have parliament elections march 17-due to corona it may be spread over 3 days. So the riots will influence the elections. "Our"PM Mark(et) Rutte already claimed "no need for social studies" eventhough the cabinet was warned for these riots since summer. Right wing party "wants to send the army in" while EW-control over "social" media-used to mobilize/organize "groups" for riots would be a better idea...

"Strong Leadership", "Law & Order" do score during election times...certainly when this pandemic may be hard to control...

A calculation;

Last week we had 36,000 new cases. Of them 12,000 were the UK variant-with a R0 of 1,27, the "old variant" had a R0 of 0,98. Then "other variants" must be at least 100 with R0 of 1,5 (for the model) .

Reproduction time for the old and UK variant =6 days, in this model the SA variant =5 days. 

So after 6 days-february 1 Old Variant (OV) 24,000 x 0,95 (for the model) =22,800

UK variant 12,000x1,25 (model)=15,000

SA variant 100x1,5 jan.31=150 (total 37,950

step 2 ;

feb7 OV=21,660 , UK =18,750 ( feb 5 SA =225)  total OV+UK=40.410 (per week) SA=337,5 feb10, 506,25=feb 10, 759,357 feb15

feb13 OV=20,577, UK=23,438 (total of these 2=44,000=over 6000 per day...

feb 20 etc will see increasing numbers from both UK and SA/other variants-most likely getting (far) over 10,000 new cases per day by election day...So this pandemic WILL be a political matter !



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We have elections march 17 so "our" "liberal conservative government" under the ever friendly charming P.M. Mark(et) Rutte has to create good pandemic news;

-To avoid a law giving workers a right to work from home when the job has the possibility to do so "our PM"  Mark(et) Rutte claims 80% of those people already work from home; [url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/02/01/multiple-accidents-due-icy-roads-code-orange-warning-triggered[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/02/01/multiple-accidents-due-icy-roads-code-orange-warning-triggered DJ-In the middle of a strict lock down we had over 300 kilometers of traffic jam due to icy roads..

-The number of vaccinations in NL has been "recalculated" and increased by over 100,000.."Hospitals did not include all the numbers" according to the minister of health...In reality vaccinations in NL are still a disaster with no real strategy on who gets what vaccine when...

-[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/02/01/curfew-end-feb-10-infections-keep-falling-report[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/02/01/curfew-end-feb-10-infections-keep-falling-report So far new variants were reasons for strict regulations-with "the elections coming" there is "room for reopening" (variants we will deal with after the elections-if need be there may be some "communication problems" in reporting increasing cases...

Teachers, parents, would like to know if schools did increase safety. The official Dutch rule is Dutch children do not spread the virus as much as German, Belgian children do...After sticking very long to "masks have no use" even if the rest of the world had a different view, now we still have to believe (for political reasons) it is OK to reopen schools..

Most people in NL accept this "heroic fight of our government against the monster virus", MSM is not doing a good communication job...Maybe a reminder for the US; trump did lose his reelection, smiling Mark(et) Rutte is not that different but gets away with it...

We do see an increasing housing crisis, poverty is increasing, but also the political gap is widening. NL is moving into a much larger crisis full speed...

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From [url]https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/feb/01/coronavirus-live-news-eu-wants-70-of-adults-vaccinated-by-end-of-summer-israel-extends-covid-lockdown?page=with:block-60180cee8f08b970c7303b36#block-60180cee8f08b970c7303b36[/url] or https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2021/feb/01/coronavirus-live-news-eu-wants-70-of-adults-vaccinated-by-end-of-summer-israel-extends-covid-lockdown?page=with:block-60180cee8f08b970c7303b36#block-60180cee8f08b970c7303b36

UK variant behind 'half of all new cases' in Netherlands, minister says

The variant of the coronavirus first discovered in the UK caused half of all new Covid-19 infections in the Netherlands by 26 January, Dutch health minister Hugo de Jonge has said.

Last week, the country’s health authorities said the new, more transmissible variant was responsible for about a third of all new cases in the Netherlands.

The Netherlands’ primary schools and daycare centres will reopen as planned on 8 February, education minister Arie Slob confirmed on Sunday. Secondary schools and after-school clubs will stay shut, Dutch News reported.

DJ-The fastest way to increase UK variant cases is reopening (for political reasons).

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Our premiere  has locked us down for a week because of the  UK strain....

Good on him I say.....

Think he has the rest of the state behind him.....

Everyone  seems to be adhering to the emergency  protocols

Mind most here have at least half a brain...!!!!!!

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Today we will get over the 1 million tested/reported Covid19 cases. On february 27-2020 we did see our first case in NL. Mid-April we had about 30.000 cases-we almost managed to get it under control but summer hollidays to Spain, France (even "our"health minister went camping in France in the middle of the pandemic) did import cases from those countries in august..

So september 23 we had case 100,000 in NL. November 26 we did get 500,000 cases-now today-february 6-we will reach the 1 million cases (on a population of 17,5 million). 

Amsterdam did see till yesterday 59,124 cases, Rotterdam 47,588, The Hague 33,044 and Utrecht 20,554 cases. Tilburg, Almere, Eindhoven and Breda also did see more then 10,000 cases. DJ-The pandemic for NL started in the south (linked with carnaval-insane it was allowed to go on) people did import the virus from Austria, Northern Italy winterhollidays. Later on it moved to the larger cities in the western part of NL. Basicly the northern part of NL did see only limited cases. 

There also is a link between religion-the "bible-belt" and cases. There they do have larger families-and a lot of spread is inside the households. Most churchservices go via the internet. Some-more orthodox-still have churchservices but with very limited number of visitors. (Often <10% of capacity-some NL churches have over 3000 seats..). 

There are a few Islam-related clusters. But also most mosques do follow restrictions. Some of the higher numbers there also may be related to larger (multi-generation) households.

Vaccination had a slow, problematic start but is gaining speed. Over 500,000 people did get vaccinated.

[url]https://www.iamexpat.nl/expat-info/dutch-expat-news/prime-minister-rutte-large-part-population-will-get-coronavirus[/url] or https://www.iamexpat.nl/expat-info/dutch-expat-news/prime-minister-rutte-large-part-population-will-get-coronavirus 

DJ-Mask wearing was a long term discussion, also do children catch/spread the virus did see NL ignoring international findings...With even "our" king breaking the rules, "our" minister of justice getting married without social distancing (and getting away with it) our "leaders" showed themselves "leaders by words not by action". Today "our" PM Mark(et) Rutte-neo-liberal-made the news because "he never did take a covid-test" due to "lack of symptoms". (He did see his mother die-without a chance to visit her often...). 

Still testing in NL is based on symptoms or positive (app)contacts...missing a lot of the almost 60% a/pre-symptomatic spread. Also under 18 y/o still may not get tested "because they do not catch the virus"...

Strategy for NL is still problematic. The real number of deaths may be close to 20,000 (much higher then the official number of 14,294). Herd immunity still seems to be the basic idea, "saving the economy more then the population". 

NL is the third largest tax-haven in the world. Companies (IKEA, Rolling Stones) evade for over 30 billions € per year on taxes in other countries by having a (postbox) company in NL. Mink-farming in NL stopped end of 2020 with over 60% of the 128 mink-farms reporting Covid19 infections. NL is the second largest agri-culture exporter in the world after the US. Dairy products exports (to China, Middle East) is a main source of income. Natural gas exports are decreasing to limit earthquake damage in the north of NL. 

One of the largest global oil companies (Royal Dutch) Shell (at least 25% "royal"family owned) also is a main economic-and with that-political player. 

NL did see very large/largest Q-fever, legionella outbreaks. Birdflu, other animal diseases are not uncommon. DJ-NL may be seen as a high-bio-risk country. 

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[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/02/09/mayors-police-support-curfew-extension[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/02/09/mayors-police-support-curfew-extension DJ-In NL 90% of the public accepts a curfew till march 2. But support for just one visitor per day dropped to 50%. It may change to contact with one household per day (now you can have one visitor and make one visit per day-if you follow the rules..) In practice 40% of households now do not get visitors at all...

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/02/09/coronavirus-positive-test-rate-pre-lockdown-levels-hospitalizations-still-serious[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/02/09/coronavirus-positive-test-rate-pre-lockdown-levels-hospitalizations-still-serious 

DJ On january 22 the R0 in NL was 0,91 (jan.15 was 0,98) Due to lockdown etc. for the old variant jan 22=0,8 (jan.15 was 0,86). For the UK variant jan 22 R0 was 1,13 (jan 15 was 1,28)..

Due to bad winter weather less testing and less vaccinations-the picture of how the pandemic in NL is developing gets more unclear...

DJ-With elections on march 17 and "not beating the virus" the government strategy most likely will be getting this pandemic out of the news...[url]https://www.dutchnews.nl/features/2021/02/skating-is-in-our-dna-ice-fever-hits-the-netherlands-as-big-freeze-continues/[/url] or https://www.dutchnews.nl/features/2021/02/skating-is-in-our-dna-ice-fever-hits-the-netherlands-as-big-freeze-continues/  lots of scandals to hide so politics want to make skating a political issue...

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For a photo essay on  Dutch take to the ice as canals and lakes freeze over https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56054975

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EdwinSm, Some Dutch people love skating...it can give nice pictures. I welcomed the snow and-by now-welcome melting of the snow...

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/02/16/curfew-must-scrapped-immediately-court-rules[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/02/16/curfew-must-scrapped-immediately-court-rules

The coronavirus curfew implemented on January 23 must be scrapped with immediate effect, the court in The Hague ruled on Tuesday in a lawsuit filed by protest group Viruswaarheid, NOS and NU.nl report.

The government implemented the curfew based on an emergency law, which states that the cabinet can introduce rules in an emergency without consultation with parliament and the Senate. But according to the court, the curfew was not for an emergency "as is the case with a dyke break". The fact that there was no emergency situation is apparent from the fact that the introduction of the curfew was discussed before it was introduced, the court said.

DJ-The curfew was on the wrong legal basis-according to the court. So the government may "need to find the correct legal basis"...Otherwise there could be "compensating measures" even less/no visitors. 

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/02/16/dutch-economy-saw-biggest-contraction-since-wwii-2020[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/02/16/dutch-economy-saw-biggest-contraction-since-wwii-2020 There is growing pressure for "reopening" the economy. But the variants are spreading in NL...it is expected cases soon will increase most due to the UK variant. 

DJ-Update At 16.00 hrs CET/NL time there will be another court asked to decide on when the curfew has to end. The government does not agree with the decission this morning that the curfew was based on the wrong laws...Even if another court now decides the curfew has to stay "DJ There is increased risk for unrest due to people claiming the curfew was unlawfull"...

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In NL the UK variant with the E484K mutation has been detected one time last week. The UK so far did find 38 cases of this mutation in the UK variant. The R0 is increasing slightly from 0,91  (january 15) to 0,96...(january 22) Last week did see 25,229 positive tests-about the same number as the week before. Positive tests did increase from 10,7 to 11,5 (should be under 5). 

In NL so far 411 times the UK variant has been detected, 54 times the SA variant, and Brazil P1 and P2 13 times. (In NL sequencing is low did increase from 750 to 1500 sequencing-samples per week).

The last 24 hrs did see an increase of 241 new hospital admissions-the highest number in two weeks. DJ In general there is a stagnation of the decrease in cases. [url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/02/16/coronavirus-7-day-average-24-week-covid-icu-total-hits-two-month-low[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/02/16/coronavirus-7-day-average-24-week-covid-icu-total-hits-two-month-low and [url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/02/16/115-coronavirus-tests-last-week-positive-wiping-two-weeks-gains[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/02/16/115-coronavirus-tests-last-week-positive-wiping-two-weeks-gains (DJ-Severel press media come sometimes up with different statistics-but the general impression is slowly cases are increasing again..) 

The curfew -ruling from court this morning will most likely be suspended by another court ruling this evening. Coming friday another court will have to make a final decission. [url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/02/16/rutte-stopping-curfew-will-immediate-negative-impact-coronavirus-fight[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/02/16/rutte-stopping-curfew-will-immediate-negative-impact-coronavirus-fight . 

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[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/02/25/govt-services-lose-sight-humanity-implementing-policy-committee[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/02/25/govt-services-lose-sight-humanity-implementing-policy-committee ; Parliament, Ministries and government organizations too often lose sight of the human dimension when implementing policy, a parliamentary committee of inquiry concluded after investigating the functioning of organizations like benefits agency UWV, driver's license institute CBR, and the Tax Authority. As a result, citizens are often left in trouble, facing complicated rules they don't understand, the committee concluded, NOS reports.

DJ-In practice politics make up rules that are that complicated no one can work (or even understand) them-and "politics" does not seem to care. Their job was to make rules-not if those rules do serve any goal. This comes on top of [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_childcare_benefits_scandal[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_childcare_benefits_scandal ;is a political scandal in the Netherlands concerning false allegations of fraud made by the Tax and Customs Administration while attempting to regulate the distribution of childcare benefits.[1][2] Between 2013 and 2019, authorities wrongly accused an estimated 26,000 parents of making fraudulent benefit claims, requiring them to pay back the allowances they had received in their entirety.[1][3] In many cases, this sum amounted to tens of thousands of euros, driving families into severe financial hardship.[1][2]

The scandal was brought to public attention in September 2018. Investigators have subsequently described the working procedure of the Tax and Customs Administration as "discriminatory" and filled with "institutional bias".[4][5] On 15 January 2021, two months before the 2021 general election, the third Rutte cabinet resigned over the scandal following a parliamentary inquiry into the matter, which concluded that "fundamental principles of the rule of law" had been violated.[1][2][6]

In this pandemic also a "jungle of rules" are supposed to be helping but often are that complicated a lot of small shopkeepers do not get any help-but large companies-like KLM do get lots of tax money. Also the [url]https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutte-doctrine[/url] or https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutte-doctrine -to avoid to be kept responsible "our" PM wants most of his communications "not in writing" so he can give "his version" fitting the story he wants to tell. 

Our country has been ruled by the (once) liberal vvd-now seen by many as right wing populist party-basicly not democratic. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieter_Omtzigt[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pieter_Omtzigt MP for Christian Democrats (but not elected as party leader in what may have been fraudulent party elections) described NL as a country in wich representatives-supposed to control governments, press, and government itself "did become to close linked". 

DJ-I believe in keeping things simple. Evaluations on rules-do they still do the job you want them to do. If you want all people to follow the rules rules must be clear and simple. In the [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volendam_New_Year%27s_fire[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volendam_New_Year%27s_fire some rules were doors should open to the outside, other rules stated doors had to open inside, enviromental rules limited the number of exits etc...an impossible overload of rules. NL most likely is not the only country with to many rules, burocrazy etc. It may be related to having "to many managers" fighting to keep their job while for the total proces it may be better to get rid of ALL the managers...

In this pandemic healthcare/big pharma/science may try to get a lot of money without the ones voting on the funds having enough basic understanding of what they are talking about. In my own (limited) contacts with local authorities I often find I know more on the rules then they do-while those rules are their job...

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[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/13/pm-rutte-campaign-posters-defaced-swastikas-amsterdam[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/13/pm-rutte-campaign-posters-defaced-swastikas-amsterdam ;Several campaign posters showing Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte were defaced with swastikas painted over Rutte's face and the logo of his right wing VVD political party. The word "fascist" was also scrawled across his body on at least five posters at several bus stops on Molukkenstraat and Veelaan on Friday morning. 

and [url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/13/highest-number-covid-19-infections-eight-weeks-hospitalizations-drop-1900[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/13/highest-number-covid-19-infections-eight-weeks-hospitalizations-drop-1900 DJ-You do not get votes when you want more restrictions in this pandemic. The coming march 17 parliamentery elections may see 15 to 20 parties in the 150 seats "second chamber". 

The ruling [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Party_for_Freedom_and_Democracy[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Party_for_Freedom_and_Democracy has become the main right wing populist party. From [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_the_Netherlands_v._Urgenda_Foundation[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_the_Netherlands_v._Urgenda_Foundation enviroment to [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_childcare_benefits_scandal[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_childcare_benefits_scandal racism via the tax office "our"government has become a problem. 

In this pandemic vaccinations and testing in NL are problems, communication is un-clear. Still most people will vote "for more reopening" to see more restrictions after the elections due to increase of variants. Still this will not stop restarting international air travel. "The most vulnarable will have to stay at home" while the economy goes above saving lives. The real number of Covid/Pandemic deaths in NL is over 25,000. (Including deaths from the first wave not tested and people who died from other causes because they did not get treatment in time.)

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DJ Today is electionsday in NL [url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/16/right-wing-politics-dominating-election-campaigns-tv-radio[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/16/right-wing-politics-dominating-election-campaigns-tv-radio ;Right-wing politicians dominated the parliamentary election campaign on television and radio, according to research by VU University, Utrecht University, and the Netherlands Institute for Sound and Image. In parliament, the right-wing parties have about half of the seats, but in media they received three times as much attention as the left wing parties, the researchers found, NOS reports. 

Of course our right wing government-with PM Mark(et) Rutte also did get the media as government. 

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/16/coronavirus-infections-24-week-testing-28[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/16/coronavirus-infections-24-week-testing-28 ;

Some 39,527 people in the Netherlands tested positive for the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus infection for the week ending at 10 a.m. on Tuesday, a figure which rose by 24 percent from last week. That increase was the sharpest reported by public health agency RIVM since December.

At the same time, testing for the infection also went up by an impressive 28 percent, or nearly a hundred thousand, with 460,844 tests completed by municipal health service GGD by Tuesday morning. That was the most tests finished in the seven-day period since the week ending December 22.

and [url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/16/covid-hospital-total-highest-since-feb-5-infection-average-climbing[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/16/covid-hospital-total-highest-since-feb-5-infection-average-climbing 

In NL only the [url]https://www.partyfortheanimals.com/nl[/url] or https://www.partyfortheanimals.com/nl has been warning for a pandemic via animal diseases jumping to humans. They are expected to stay around 6 of the 150 seats in parliament. Both the "liberal conservatives" and christian democrats "love to save the economy" and would like "to restart everything" as soon as possible...

With the R0 increasing from 1,01 last friday to 1,06 yesterday-(measured on data from three weeks ago-so the present R0 most likely will be higher-most due the UK variant) even they admit limited room for reopenings. 

The SA and P1 variant have been found in NL-most likely some other variants (P3, France/Breton) could be spreading here as well. We do still have open borders and only an "advice" against international travel. A lot of Polish workers went from the UK via NL to Poland-and with them the UK variant. 

Allthough "left wing" parties take healthcare more serious they also are not very likely to decrease meat production or air travel. The idea is "Europe has to do that for all EU countries" - that idea is over a decade old...Still due to legal action building of houses, roads etc. in NL is in a crisis. NL is not doing enough to protect the enviroment-looking at EU rules...So even with politics loving to "kick the can down the road" they have to start doing something usefull. 

Since the international air transport lobby is linked with military aircraft and fossil fuels it is quite likely Dutch farmers may see stricter rules...Diseases spreading via animals (Q-fever etc) is an extra reason to "stop farmers farming in NL". (Yet another reason is that East European countries can produce at lower costs when they modernize farming there..).

DJ-I was hoping we could have avoided a "third wave" with NPI/lockdown. Also vaccination may have some effect. But the outlook for now is an increase of variants with the UK variant finally becoming dominant and spreading often via schools. 

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DJ-The outcome of the Dutch elections gave me a feeling a lot of the readers may have had earlier. How can it be that "the people" elect such a group of .....

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/19/new-parliament-17-parties-equal-1918-record[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/19/new-parliament-17-parties-equal-1918-record The "liberal party" putting economy above dealing with the pandemic for to long did even win two extra seats...A (extreme) right wing party "forum for democracy"-campaining with streetparties, claiming Covid19 was a flu-did get 8 seats-win of 6...Pandemic fatigue and "liberal leadership" did cost more left wing parties seats/votes...

So we will likely get more of this [url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/19/big-companies-getting-covid-wage-support-nl-making-profits-abroad[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/19/big-companies-getting-covid-wage-support-nl-making-profits-abroad NL as a major tax haven and even LESS spending on healthcare...[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/18/coronavirus-average-climbs-11th-straight-day-6187-new-infections[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/18/coronavirus-average-climbs-11th-straight-day-6187-new-infections 

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Pop music:  "How can that bit of earworm trash make it to no1?"  

Religion:  "How can people still believe that evolution is a hoax?"    

Science:  "How can people still think the Earth is flat?"

Medicine:  "How can so many think vaccines are the worst option?"

History:  "How could the Germans, so intelligent usually, vote for Hitler?"

Politics:  "How could the Americans, so caring usually, vote for Trump?" 


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Well Techno....taste in/of music is always open...when I am in a good mood-or want to get into such a mood-I play another kind of music then when I am worried/frustrated/angry (often it is a mix...)

Here in NL-like the US-a main problem was the "political opposition" did not do a very good job. In the US you could make a choice between war criminal h.clinton and fraud d.trump. Both should be in prison...due to the pandemic d.trump lost the last US election (and I think he did loose that election-even some will keep claiming it was a fraud. The US electionsystem needs reforms-as in many other countries.) To be honest I think there should be some sort of age-limit for "top-jobs" ...

In NL now at least three parties are more or less openly racist/anti-Islam...The largest party "liberal vvd" most likely getting funds via tax-evation (NL is a champion in finding ways to avoid tax-keeping lots of countries from some extra tax-income). Most likely "Royal Dutch Shell" (our "royal family" may have 25% of the shares) is a main political factor NOT discussed...So limits on fossil fuel-in air/road transport are hard to discuss...Also explains why NL is that faithfull NATO-member...

Our agriculture export is second largest after the US-we have more cows,pigs, chickens, goats, sheep etc then citizens-bringing all kind of diseases...

Yet-in the UN happiness top 5 we are at #5 (Finland is #1-US=#20). And I consider myself to be very lucky to be born here...

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/19/daily-covid-infections-exceed-7400-today-highest-since-early-jan[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/19/daily-covid-infections-exceed-7400-today-highest-since-early-jan and [url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/19/covid-hospital-total-hits-six-week-high-2-millionth-vaccine-shot-given[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/19/covid-hospital-total-hits-six-week-high-2-millionth-vaccine-shot-given pandemic getting worse again...

I did see some comment on our political system-the idea to make a short list of main points/plans and see what parties can agree with that to form a government-so keeping out a lot of conflict material for wich a majority vote would be needed...We have a political crisis but so far it seems to be a "mild one"...

Maybe in politics you have to give "idiots room to prove they are idiots" -but it has a price...

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[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/20/new-covid-19-cases-hit-highest-number-since-january-9-hospitalizations-also-steady-rise[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/20/new-covid-19-cases-hit-highest-number-since-january-9-hospitalizations-also-steady-rise 

and [url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/20/riots-erupt-museumplein-amsterdam[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/20/riots-erupt-museumplein-amsterdam 

Here in NL we have had the largest Q-fever outbreak in the world. Since we are the 2nd largest exporter (after the US) of agri-products (dairy, pork, chickens...) we are extra vulnarable for all kinds of diseases in animals-spreading to humans. We even managed to get Covid19 in most of "our" mink farms before we ended mink-farming by killing all the minks. Spread from minks to humans remained limited in NL (Denmark had a bigger problem). 

All kinds of variants are increasing in NL-they will spread into other-non human-hosts. Since we "did use 2 million vaccines" (on a population of 17,5 million) the "most vulnarable in NL are protected" is the general idea. So "no problem if the R0 gets above 1"...

Stupidity must be a Dutch finding...if not we should patent it !

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DJ,

-[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/23/low-income-dutch-likely-die-covid-rich-ones[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/23/low-income-dutch-likely-die-covid-rich-ones ;

They found that people with a lower income in all age groups were more likely to die of the virus, but that this effect was most prominent among people under the age of 70. Among under-70s, the chance of dying of the coronavirus was almost three times higher for people with low income than for those with higher incomes. 

According to the researchers, this could be due to lower income Dutch living in smaller housing, closer together and their working conditions putting them at greater risk of becoming infected. This effect is also visible in other diseases, the researchers said.

The researchers also found that people who immigrated to the Netherlands in the past few generations were at higher risk of dying from Covid-19 in the first wave. This was especially true for people with a non-Western background, among which the risk of dying of the coronavirus was almost 1.5 times higher than for other Dutch. 

DJ Three times higher chances of dying from Covid 19 for lower income groups is "a lot"! Those groups already have a lesser health, lower life expectency. Other countries most likely will not have a picture much different...

-[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/23/persistent-pandemic-will-delay-economic-recovery-dutch-central-bank[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/23/persistent-pandemic-will-delay-economic-recovery-dutch-central-bank DJ-Already it is likely small shopowners will have to stop and close their shops, restaurants, gyms etc...Supermarkets on the other hand are "booming". Also regions that get much international tourism (Amsterdam, The Hague) now see an increase of Dutch tourists-but that does not undo the loss of international tourists. Other regions do see more tourism increasing above the long year average. Since there will be "very limited room" for international travel NL will see tourism from the Dutch outside NL to be almost zero. Some Germans, Belgians may still come to NL and v.v. There is growing pressure for reopenings-with also healthcare warning against reopenings. Hospitals still have a lot of cases from the winter-Covid-peak. Another spring-peak would bring a "black scenario". Vaccinations in NL still are very limited-less then 10% of the Dutch people being fully protected. [url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/22/coronavirus-infection-average-rises-14th-straight-time-covid-hospital-total-shoots-6[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/22/coronavirus-infection-average-rises-14th-straight-time-covid-hospital-total-shoots-6 

-[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/23/extra-seat-d66-amsterdam-announces-election-results[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/03/23/extra-seat-d66-amsterdam-announces-election-results DJ-There are "some problems" in counting the votes due to the almost 1 by 1,5 meter form used with over 1500 candidates, over 35 parties...some votes are "missed". Also voting by mail -for 70+ age group- did see above 1% of the votes unvalid. A new cabinet/government may become a problem. With "liberal conservatives" looking for right wing support while "social liberals" look for left wing party support...[url]https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/03/election-watch-segers-warns-against-bitter-divisions-as-talks-continue/[/url] or https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/03/election-watch-segers-warns-against-bitter-divisions-as-talks-continue/ 

-[url]https://dutchreview.com/news/dutch-cabinet-likely-change-curfew-10-pm/[/url] or https://dutchreview.com/news/dutch-cabinet-likely-change-curfew-10-pm/ DJ-A few weeks ago politicians were hoping for more reopenings-now-after the elections-the story did change. [url]https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/03/foreign-travel-ruled-out-until-may-sources-say-ahead-of-covid-press-conference/[/url] or https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/03/foreign-travel-ruled-out-until-may-sources-say-ahead-of-covid-press-conference/ 

-[url]https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/current-information[/url] or https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/current-information 

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DJ-In fact both vaccinations AND testing in NL is still "problematic". If there are enough vaccines then there is a problem in getting people to get those vaccines. They have to call a callcenter to make an apointment-but that can take sometimes hours...also sometimes people have to travel long distance. Also there is discussion on the role hospitals can play. They are willing and able to play a role. The GP/doctors can vaccinate 250.000 persons per week, GGD/general health can do up to 1,5 million per week...but in practice the healthminister wants to keep several hundreds of thousends of vaccines in reserve-to be able to provide a second vaccine. 

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/04/01/curacao-buckling-covid-hospital-full[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/04/01/curacao-buckling-covid-hospital-full Also vaccines are send to the Dutch Antilles. There variants are creating a worsening healthcrisis. 

What makes at present the situation in NL getting worse is also a political crisis. [url]https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/04/mps-debate-chaotic-start-to-coalition-talks-after-demanding-all-notes-are-made-public/[/url] or https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/04/mps-debate-chaotic-start-to-coalition-talks-after-demanding-all-notes-are-made-public/ ;

The formation process was halted last week after one of the two scouts, home affairs minister Kajsa Ollongren, was diagnosed with coronavirus and left the parliamentary complex with a pile of briefing notes visible to waiting photographers. One entry suggested the position of Christian Democrat MP Pieter Omtzigt was due to be discussed at a later meeting with caretaker prime minister Mark Rutte and D66 leader Sigrid Kaag. Omtzigt, the popular and combative backbencher who played a key role in exposing the tax office’s mistreatment of families suspected of child benefit fraud, told reporters before being sworn in on Wednesday he hoped it would become clear who had written the text about finding him another job. ‘This memo was not written, someone actually wrote it,’ he said. ‘There is no phantom typewriter around.’ The memo, he said, is an affront to the Dutch voter. Tensions Prime minister Mark Rutte had attempted to head off MPs demands that all documents relating to the talks so far be published, including emails and telephone messages, fearing the move would exacerbate political tensions.

"Our" PM mark(et) rutte has been lying - he now claims he wanted Omtzigt to become a minister or head of parliament...while it is far more likely he wanted that MP to leave politics. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_childcare_benefits_scandal[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_childcare_benefits_scandal Omtzigt himself did get enough votes to get five seats in parliament. He is now on sickleave for mental stress...

Several ministers did have contact with Covid-infected persons. Somehow the testresults came in unrealisticly fast...Using government cars sometimes the drivers had to go for testing as well. 

DJ There is growing pressure for new elections. Most likely the liberal party making a mess will then loose that election. Since "our" "government" is the only one NOT stopping church services while cases explode (Finland also not doing enough) there is "growing irritation" with some churches still welcoming hundreds of visitors each sunday...they now get police protection. 

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[url]https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/04/dutch-pm-survives-no-confidence-vote-but-is-seriously-damaged/[/url] or https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/04/dutch-pm-survives-no-confidence-vote-but-is-seriously-damaged/ ;Dutch prime minister Mark Rutte has narrowly survived a late night vote of no confidence after being accused of lying over suggestions that a CDA MP who is highly critical of the government be moved ‘elsewhere’. The complete opposition, including the fundamentalist SGP, voted for the motion, but this was not enough to force the caretaker prime minister to stand down. A second motion of censure against Rutte, for damaging public trust in government, was supported by almost everyone. ‘I have heard the message and taken it to heart,’ Rutte said, shortly after the vote. He said he would do his utmost to get back the confidence of parliament, and that at no point during the chaos had he considered resigning.

DJ The only reason mark(et) rutte can stay PM is because there is not yet an alternative...But politics in NL is bankrupt. And these "clowns" are supposed to get us out of a pandemic.

The growing social unrest is only growing harder-with also lots of variants spreading in NL. Politicians seem to be above any law...

MP's doing their job "seem to be the biggest problem" for "our" PM...

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