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Her's a litttle tidbit of interest  (Fujian)
 
Recall the Mixing bowl Swine articles
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Chinese scientist Chen Hualan first announced the existence of bird flu in pigs during a conference speech on Friday.

She later told journalists that the virus had been discovered in pigs in south-east China's Fujian province in 2003, and in "another place" in 2004.

 
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I for one am sick of Chinas lying and putting the whole world at risk. The cure for this horrible disease, is not going to come from the Chinese. They lie for selfish reasons, America is so heavily invested there, and if the Americans knew the full extent to the disease, they wouldnt travel and business ventures would be shut down. The disease originates from there, and it is no small wonder. It is filthy. I am getting ready to start to boycott all goods made there, and the Chinese better be aware, that if thier lies, half truths and deliberate cover up end up causing the worst pandemic known to mankind, people arent going to be too happy with them for decades if not longer to come.
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vstr...I agree with you but try to not buy anything Chinese:O) Just about everything now a days is made in China or at least parts are made in China. If the clothe are not then the string is or the color is or whatever. Most of dollar stores or Wal-mart products...Chinese:O) It is a tough situation.
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China is a major world power and as capable of dealing with a pandemic as well as any other country including us/US.  The problem is that there is nothing, as in the well documented, thoroughly discussed, throw up your hands and say "there is nothing you can do to stop it" nothing except prepare youreself for it's arrival.  You can sequence all you want for now but apparently that will not accomplish much of anything until it shows up for real in all it's glory.  In fact is appears as though all of the vaccinating of poultry to protect the flocks has only made the virus build resistance. And who knows what all of the millions of Tamiflu doses has done to give the virus a whole new set of ideas.  I believe the less we interfere with the virus evolution the simpler it will be for us to see it comming.  Soon we could  be fighting off an endless parade of super mutations that will only overide any vaccine defense we could possibly pre-engineer.  The US is just as culpable in this battle since we have reserved the right to only report massive LPHVAI outbreaks as we see fit.  This is for real folks and the only thing we can realistically do is stash lots of supplies to ride out the first wave and then hope for the best.
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In the e-book posted on another thread one postulated theory is that if we are to stop the pandemic we will hit the "spark" with the "squirt gun" before it spreads out of hand.

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One can only imagine what the world would be like if all nations worked together - what a concept......    I checked Dr. Niman's site today and apparently China isn't the only one to withhold sequences.  Europe has released nothing, and both the US and Canada have not released anything from this year either.  We need to know how this thing is evolving and spreading and how wild birds play a role in keeping it going.  That being said, the strains in Asia are obviously of the greatest concern.  As long as humanity is motivated by power and money, we'll have a hard time solving the problems of our world.  Sad but true.....

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Hi to all, everything is made in China. no much is made here in the USA any more. Just check the goods you buy, all the major brands , are made there. I have tried to buy American, but we don't make any thing any more, and we are loosing a whole generation of tool and die makers, no need for them.  I use to buy Coach  handbags , they lasted for years , now they are made in China, and are cheap looking, I won't buy again. roxy who will now get off the soap box
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Things were looking good in the summer of 2004?
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The National Influenza Center of China CDC, supported
by the MoH-WHO Cooperation Program, has isolated
8 H5N1 strains from 12 confirmed human cases and deposited
the full genome sequences in the secure fluLane data
base. Two viral isolates were also shared with the WHO
International Collaborating Network.
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This was in March 2006....what happend?
 
 
In full here....
 
 
 
Excerpt-
 
 
"According to the WHO global influenza preparedness plan,
human infection with a new influenza virus subtype signals
a country’s movement into pandemic phase 3, the first
phase of the pandemic alert period. The overarching goal
of this phase is to “ensure rapid characterization of the new
virus subtype and early detection, notification and response
to additional cases.”
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PRB Pharmaceuticals and Lee's Pharmaceuticals have announced the discovery that PRB'S patent pending botanical extract, V38-AMF-1, completely inhibits
bird flu (H5N1) and Fujian Flu (H3N2) infections in vitro.
 
 
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Anharra the PRB post is interesting but I am not sure where your going with it. The story is 2 years old and not much newer on there Vira 38 product other than a Hong Kong company that sells it for 30 dollars a bottle. I have found seven phone numbers three addresses and when I called all numbers they were disconected. I also found a warning letter from the FDA in claims of diagnosing and treating deseases.
Sounds like a scam which there are many these days in the quest to get rich off bird flu. I also could not find anything recent (2006), and you would think if there claims of new trials in 2005 had been succesful it would be all over the net.
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I have to agree with you Mahshadin 
 
It looked very...snake oil ...to me too.  but then it could be the differences in cultures, the way it is presented, the use of English, the design of the site.  Botanicals are highly revered in China, India etc...
(I use them myself)  So I did look into it further...  and this is what came up.  
 
 
It has cytokine modulating components that are designed to normalize dysregulated cytokine networks ....
 
 

Avian flu experts make recommendations as disease continues its spread

Marty Heiberg * Managing Editor

Jul 29, 2004 (CIDRAP News)

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"Widespread vaccination is controversial...."
 
 
"...A vaccine that animals could swallow is seen by some experts as an urgent need. An announcement today by Xinhau, China's state news agency, says the patent-pending botanical extract V38-AMF-1, made by two Hong Kong pharmaceutical companies, has been discovered to completely inhibit H5N1 avian influenza as well as several other infections in vitro. The agent, to be tested in poultry beginning in the fall, can be provided as a powder to be added to drinking water, according to a press release...."
 
 
In full Here...
 
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I'm also wondering how people would have felt if The
Pharmaceutical Giants had said...
 
 
"Yes folks...we have it right here, step up and see the wonders of this little bottle of Chinese Star Anise, that we just bought up from everywhere exotic.
 
"But I have that in my cupboard Mr."
 
"Quiet, Madame, go away..."
 
Only 80.00 a bottle.  Step right up... 
 
 
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Originally posted by anharra anharra wrote:

You have just described our modern facination with bottled water...
 
I'm also wondering how people would have felt if The
Megastore Giants had said...
 
 
"Yes folks...we have it right here, step up and see the wonders of this little bottle of Chinese Mountain Spring water, that we just bought up from everywhere exotic.
 
"But I have that in my faucet Mr."
 
"Quiet, Madame, go away..."
 
Only 80.00 a bottle.  Step right up... 
 
 
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LOL    but I like my bottled water...
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$80.00 a bottle weh

Anharra vira 38 could be for real but I just could not find anything recent. If you do find anything please post it. I just got a little skeptical when all seven phone numbers were disconnected.

I did read the CDRAP article from 2004 which is interesting but wouldnt there be up-to-date info if they had done the trials in Asia. Or do you think this info is being withheld.

I did pony up for some resveratol today though which another member here turned me onto. And it is even in a form that I already enjoy with meals. Another one that takes some information sifting to get to the bottom line.

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I agree it sounds fishy....  I'm most interested in who created it so I'll check that.
 
"..I did pony up for some resveratol..."
 
Where did you buy it?
 
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I probably bought a little to quick but I found something I already enjoy (Wine) which I already drink with a couple three dinners a week. From what I can tell this substance is best found in grapes, Blueberies, Peanuts, some root, and some others. This may be just coincidence but after reading this stuff from member Rodin I thought about last year and the flu season. My whole family was sick with the flu in December and it lasted almost two weeks. I was the only one who did not get sick and my wife teased me about how lucky I was. At that time I was on the Atkins diet from beginning of November until February and in trying to come up with a snack food to have on the diet I chose peanuts because every other snackfood had large carb amounts. I bought the large bottles of peanuts Costco Brand and was eating a bowl daily, about a bottle a week. Peanuts have resveratol naturally. Or maybe I was just lucky huh, who knows but there is a lot of science on this stuff and it is all posative.

Anyway substance is a natural anti-fungal that plants produce naturally and in colder humid climates produce much more. See posts below.

Post from Tamiflu thread and member Rodin
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/influenza/general/news/may3105resveratrol.html

Further post on grapes and Wine

http://www.drfrankwines.com/drf2_article.taf?_type=&_function=detail&gz_id=89

    
    
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this substance is best found in grapes, Blueberies, Peanuts, some root, and some others.
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I drink grape juice...it is a good anti-inflamatory
 
 
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By Luther Brady

Chinese health officials deny the fact that there might be a new strain of Bird flu in their southern provinces

China denies new Bird flu strain

According to China health officials, there is no new strain of the dreaded Bird flu virus in its Southern provinces. This news contradicts news brought forth by scientists in Hong Kong and the United States, who state that a year ago, a new strain was detected in the Chinese province of Fujian.

When asked to comment on the situation, Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao stated that "Up to now, the bird flu viruses selected from the south share a high uniformity." "There has no marked change in the biological characteristics of the organisms."

Since the beginning of the outbreak in late 2003, the country of china has reported 21 human cases of the potentially fatal virus, resulting in 14 deaths. Whether or not the virus is mutating is still to be seen, and according to the World Health Organization, the fact that China refuses to provide bird samples is slowing down this process considerably.

"It's our understanding that there have been certainly changes in the virus and continual evolution in the virus since 2004 and the viruses that we requested from 2005 have still not been shared with WHO," said Julie Hall, the WHO's bird flu coordinator in Beijing.

Source: Reuters

 
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WHO warns of bird flu confusion in China

BEIJING (AFP) - China's lack of transparency over its handling of bird flu is making it difficult to determine if the deadly virus is mutating and spreading, a leading World Health Organization official said Friday.

"The situation in China is quite confusing and there is some conflicting information," Julie Hall, the WHO's coordinator of epidemic alert and response in China, told AFP.

"We really don't know how many strains of bird flu there are in China because we have limited amounts of information shared with us by the Ministry of Agriculture and the virus samples we have asked for have not been shared."

Hall was speaking after China rejected on Thursday claims by scientists in Hong Kong and the United States that a new strain of the virus -- dubbed the "Fujian-like" strain -- had emerged and was having an impact in southern China.

China's Ministry of Agriculture said the findings, contained in a report in an American academic publication, "did not completely conform with facts."

The ministry said the strain of the bird flu in southern China was consistent with earlier strains.

"The researchers are not saying that a new (strain) of the virus was emerging, they are saying that one particular strain has become dominant," Hall said, when asked to comment on China's reaction to the scientists' report.

Virus are always mutating and changing with every new generation and new strains and substrains are always appearing, but what was crucial was to try to understand which strains were becoming dominant, Hall said.

A dominant strain of the bird flu virus could be an indication that it was becoming resistant to vaccines given to poultry. China vaccinated up to 8.2 billion poultry from January to September this year.

"Right now, there is not enough data to make a firm conclusion... but this is what the data is indicating," Hall said.

The WHO would like to see the "hundreds, if not thousands of (bird flu) gene sequences" uploaded by the Ministry of Agriculture on a public data base, she said.

Such information was crucial in developing new vaccines for animals and humans, as well as bird flu diagnostic tests and other epidemic controls, she said.

"We need to clear up the picture and for this the sharing of information is vital," Hall said. AFP

 
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I say we impose a world wide ban on all Chinese poultry imports/exports until they pull it together and get with the program here!  That will get their attention!  Yeah, I know it will never happen, but it felt good to say it!
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It is more and more looking like China is only doing enough to say they are doing something. Funny that seems to be their aproach on a lot of things in cooperating with the rest of the world.

But in reality this policy is very harmful in developing any kind of effective strategy. I can see why Who and other scientists would be ***sed. You dont usually here WHO rake someone over like they did this week. but did you notice they were naming a person and deferring blame away from the government (Minister).

Looks like they are taking lessons from our do nothing Congress.
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This China were talking about here - a communist country that has complete control over any and information presented to the world.  It's jails and cemeteries and chock full of dissidents who made any attempt at free speech or dissemination of "important" news.  Do not make the mistake and expect we will ever see current legit information conerning something so potentially devastating to a country like bird flu in China or any where for that matter.   They are mocking us with this olive branch offering of a year old Fujian strain.  China will continue to serve it's own best interest at the expense of anyone and everything.   They have nothing to lose by not letting the world know what is truly happening, just the opposite, by hoarding strains to themselves they are only ensuring their status as first to the finish line with the vaccine for the AVI and the millions in profits it will guarantee them.
 
The only tell tale info you might ever see concerning current activity regarding bird flu is when the current "minister" suddenly is no longer the minister and new one is in his place.
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Cruiser - you are absolutly right. By holding back information they will make it to the finish line first with the vaccine. Can you imagine the power of the country that holds the solution? They will be in a position to demand anything and we're not just talking about money. They could even demand the US disarm all weapons in exchange for vaccine, I doubt that would work, but...imagine the power. It's no wonder they withhold. It's what I would do if the whole thing were some kind of board game..good strategy.
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Originally posted by anharra anharra wrote:

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I feel China knew that all zoonotic heck was breaking out in 2002...or before.  It is now 2006.
Either, they want to keep the final glory for the worlds cure for this possible lethal pandemic until the 12th hour.
 
Or...
 
They want to be the only country to... survive a possible lethal pandemic.  Which is it?
The only way to know is from past behavior...   
 
China has not been self contained for no reason.  While we look powerful and export stupid movies and send our manufacturing totally ouside the country.... they wait smiling.
 
They are a world unto themselves, ...
 
Their economy can survive, ...
 
All of their eggs, are not in the same basket, 
 
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China is very vunerable to oil supply disruption and enviromental disasters. The chinese are really dependent on overseas oil supplies. most if not all oil that china needs. China is at risk for oil cut offs by the straits of Malucca. The Chinese navy is in no position to take on even the indian navy in a confrontation. If the Chinese wish to go the central asian route, they will be blocked by the russians. China would collapse overnight if they could not get the oil. So, I think that the chinese would begging for some way to get the oil. and with the 12 carriers that the usa has, the naval edge goes to the USA. the power would be on our side. China has never had an effective long range naval projector or sealane denial ability.


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He who controls the spice controls the universe!!


    
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China has never had an effective long range naval projector or sealane denial ability.
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Could you run that by the civilians one more time?  :)
 
 
(I feel a little better... but I want China to share.  China will survive and
they better help us or no more golf tips or visits to the B.B. Hall of Fame)
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Translation : China does not have the ability to control the sea areas around the straits. Projection is the ability to control and deny others the sea areas. The chinese would be vunerable to the economic effects of energy cut offs. If the chinese wish to try to push their way thru the south china sea to the straits, we could pick off chinese shipsz and planes with sub launched cruise missles and sea power. It would be a turkey shoot.
China has no effective long range air power projections. Tankers, recon, electronic countermeasures
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So what they dont share Vaccine

We blow up some Ships and turn out the lights

Bombs are the magic answer (Thats It)

He who destroys a thing controls the thing
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I'm glad to see things are lighter over here :)

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:) (:
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Can anyone get this to come up?  I must have lost the touch or something...
 
 
[PDF] Avian Influenza
... 9 (05/01/2006) 2 ... To date, China has reported human cases in six provinces and regions:
Hunan, Anhui, Guangxi, Liaoning, Jiangxi and Fujian. Viet Nam ...
 

 
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Anharra the link would not open this morning but does now. The china case describes a 41 year old women from Fulian who tested negative then posative. She died and they could not identify any sick chickens in the area where she lives or works. Finishes with ongoing investigation and then moves on to Vietnam.
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Category: Bird flubiology
Posted on: November 8, 2006 7:44 AM, by revere

The headlines are exciting: Chinese scientists identify deadly gene in H5N1. The story is also upbeat:

Chinese scientists have identified a gene in the H5N1 bird flu virus which they say is responsible for its virulence in poultry, opening the way for new vaccines.

[snip]

"We can now understand how this virus becomes lethal and the molecular basis for its pathogenicity," Bu Zhigao at the Harbin Veterinary Research Institute told Reuters.

The science also turns out to be interesting, but on its face not the breakthrough the story implies. Maybe as we learn more we will find it is the key to everything, but it is more likely it is just another piece of a big puzzle.

Here is the gist. A major research agenda is to understand the relationship between viral genetics, as revealed by gene sequences, and the biology of host range and virulence. We already have some scattered data points. We know that the presence of extra amino acids adjacent to the cleavage site in the HA glycoprotein (see our series on glycoproteins), often referred to as the polybasic cleavage site, affects the number of tissues the virus can infect in poultry and is a necessary element in high pathogenicity. The E627K mutation on one of the virus's gene segments, PB2, is another factor that influences virulence of bird viruses in mice. Similarly mutations at position 701 makes duck viruses lethal in mice. A number of studies have also shown that changes in the NS1 segment of the eight segment viral genome plays a part in virulence in pigs. In other words, we have been looking at this problem in various ways and no some things. The new paper adds to this still meager store of knowledge by identifying a single genetic change in a goose H5N1 virus that makes it lethal to chickens.

In 1996 a highly pathogenic H5N1 virus caused an outbreak on a goose farm in southern China, Guangdong province. Two H5N1 viruses were isolated from the geese, who suffered a 40% mortality. One, designated A/Goose/Guandong/1/96 (GS/GD/1/96; see our entry in the ******** on naming influenza viruses) has been much studied; the other, designated GS/GD/2/96, less so. The reason for the lesser interest in the second virus was it was of low pathogenicity for geese and chickens. Its isolation was more of an incidental finding in the 1996 outbreak. The Chinese scientists have compared the two viruses and obtained interesting information about what makes one virulent to chickens and the other not.

Both viruses have the polybasic amino acid sequence adjacent to their cleavage site. Since one is high path for chickens and geese and the other not, it is clear this is not a sufficient condition (something which we've known). When the sequences of all the gene segments in the two viruses were compared, they were identical in the PB2, HA, NA, M2 and NS2 genes at the nucleotide level (the finest level of detail). In four other gene segments there were a total of eight nucleotide differences, of which three were "silent" mutations, that is, they were differences in the nucleotide sequences that didn't produce a difference in the amino acid sequence of the proteins. The other five changes produced differences in the PA, NP, M1 and NS1 genes. Thus, the differences in virulence to chickens in these two viruses were due to one or more changes in these four genes.

The Harbin team then constructed recombinant variations combining the genes in different ways. It turned out that only the change in position 149 of the NS1 gene determined whether the virus was virulent for chickens. It didn't seem to affect virulence in geese. Since NS1 expression in mammals is related to antagonism of a non-specific innate antiviral response, the release of interferons alpha and beta, they went on to show that in birds, too, the difference in NS1 in the two viruses is related to whether it can inhibit interferon production.

What have they shown? For starters, they have not discovered the virulence gene that turns H5N1 into a killer. They have shown that a specific change at one position of the NS1 gene segment in the Guangdong 1996 goose virus can affect host range and virulence of the virus by affecting its ability to interfere with interferon production. The host range change is from goose to chicken and the virulence increase is in chickens. So far there is no relation to virulence or infectivity in humans. Nor is there a showing that this is the only way H5N1 can become highly pathogenic in chickens. It appears to be one way.

Still, this is very interesting and elegant work. It directs our attention to NS1 and its ability to inhibit interferon production as a characteristic sufficient to turn an avirulent virus into a virulent one. It is like a big sign in the ground that has the letters, Dig Here, written on it.

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WHO apologizes to China for misusing bird flu samples: official
       


The World Heath Organization (WHO) has apologized to the Chinese government after bird flu samples provided by China were misused by foreign research institutions, China's chief veterinarian Jia Youling revealed here Friday.

"Mr. (Henk) Bekedam from the WHO Beijing office apologized to me personally twice. His attitude was very sincere and I was deeply moved", Jia told a press conference hosted by the information office of the State Council, China's cabinet.

Jia, director of the Ministry of Agriculture's veterinary bureau, said China provided five bird flu samples to the WHO in June 2005, at the WHO's request, after a major outbreak in 2004.

"Foreign research institutions improperly used the samples in two cases, violating the intellectual property rights of Chinese researchers," he said.

In one research paper, the samples were attributed to countries other than China, Jia said, adding that co-author Rob Webster, from St. Jude Children's Research Hospital in the United States, had also apologized to the Chinese research institution concerned.

In another case, foreign researchers cited the Chinese sample without giving credit to the Chinese side, which contravenes international practice, Jia said. Jia declined to give the researchers' names.

Jia rejected accusations that China has been reluctant to share its bird flu samples with the international community.

In addition to the five samples provided in 2005, he said China has provided WHO with 20 further samples this year.

He said the provision of the 20 samples took several months because of strict, time-consuming procedures on both sides. Great caution was needed to handle dangerous bird flu samples.

Jia said the Ministry of Agriculture will continue to work closely with the international community, including the WHO, to control bird flu.

Xinhua reporters were unable to reach WHO's Beijing office for comment. But previously Bekedam told Reuters that the Chinese samples were used in research that failed to acknowledge that China's Ministry of Agriculture had identified the virus, in breach of scientific protocol.

"That happened twice, and I apologized on behalf of the WHO collaborating center because that is bad behaviour among scientists," he said.

Source: Xinhua

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