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Dutch Josh
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Posted: January 18 2022 at 3:59am |
[url]https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/3163775/coronavirus-hong-kong-leader-worried-about-community-outbreak[/url] or https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/3163775/coronavirus-hong-kong-leader-worried-about-community-outbreak ; “Genome sequencing [done on the worker’s virus sample] found that the genome type was the one circulating in Europe and Pakistan,” the source said. “There is a chance [of infection] through hamsters imported from the Netherlands, which also had that genome type [found on the worker]. “That’s why it’s very likely that the transmission this time is from animals to humans.” DJ Not yet much more in NL news.... |
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Dutch Josh
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[url]https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2011/06/articles/animals/pocket-pets/mrsa-transmission-between-hamster-and-human/[/url] or https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2011/06/articles/animals/pocket-pets/mrsa-transmission-between-hamster-and-human/ A 2011 story on MRSA infection jumping from a hamster into a human... [url]https://www.wur.nl/en/article/COVID-19-model-in-Syrian-hamsters.htm[/url] or https://www.wur.nl/en/article/COVID-19-model-in-Syrian-hamsters.htm ; The main read-out parameters for infection are loss of body weight (up to 20%), decreased activity in the running wheel, pathological changes in the lung and viral load in throat swabs, lung and nasal tissue (see infographic) and presence of neutralizing antibodies. Our animal model allows to show improvement in the measured read-out parameters when a successful intervention strategy is applied. DJ Instead of killing the HK hamsters maybe trying to cure them-test medication-a better idea ? Most of the hamsters that will be killed may not even test positive... |
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KiwiMum
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We learnt at school that during the Black Death in Europe in the middle ages, people mistakenly thought that cats and dogs were spreading the flea that carried the plague and so they killed them all, and of course we now know with hindsight that the flea was on the rats who were the reserviour for the plague and killing the cats and dogs was making it worse because the rat population exploded without these animals to predate them. I agree with you that they shouldn't be killing the hamsters, but studying them. Killing them seems a knee jerk reaction like killing the cats and dogs. |
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Dutch Josh
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Good info [url]https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2022/01/articles/animals/other-animals/the-great-escape-hamster-style/[/url] or https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2022/01/articles/animals/other-animals/the-great-escape-hamster-style/ ; Killing hamsters that have been in households for weeks is particularly dumb. Even in the very unlikely scenario that the hamster was infected, hamsters only shed the virus for a short period of time (a few days), so there would be no risk now. Identification of SARS-CoV-2 in hamsters in Hong Kong is an indication that there is more spread in people than is understood (or acknowledged). Culling hamsters is either a misinformed response or an attempt to deflect blame for burgeoning local human transmission (or both). And [url]https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2022/01/articles/animals/other-animals/sars-cov-2-in-hamsters-and-a-massive-over-reaction/[/url] or https://www.wormsandgermsblog.com/2022/01/articles/animals/other-animals/sars-cov-2-in-hamsters-and-a-massive-over-reaction/ ; Today’s report of Hong Kong’s plan to kill thousands of small mammals is an example of a huge miss. Hong Kong did a great job regarding animal aspects of SARS-CoV-2 at the start of the pandemic by proactively quarantining and testing pets of people with COVID-19, and that helped us understand a lot about the disease in dogs and cats. Their proactive approach decreased over time, logically based on evolving information, so this extreme reaction now is a bit surprising. What triggered this response? Infection of a person – the origin of most SARS-CoV-2 infections in animals. Here’s how the story goes. A pet shop worker was identified with COVID-19 caused by the delta variant. Another person with COVID-19 reported visiting the store around the same time, and her daughter had handled a hamster. In response to that, officials tested hundreds of animals at the workplace. That’s fine. Actually, that’s great, since it can provide us with more information about human-to-pet transmission risks.
However, the subsequent response to the test results was the problem.
Does this response make sense? No. It’s good to pay attention to and evaluate risks, but too often “kill the animal” is the “easy” response to something that just needs some thought and effort. What could feasibly be done instead? Small mammals are very easy to isolate safely. If there’s concern, they could quarantine the animal facilities or stores, do some more testing and handle things with basic infection control measures. The risk wouldn’t be zero (there’s rarely a scenario with zero risk when it comes to infectious diseases) but the risk would be exceptionally low, animals wouldn’t be unnecessarily killed, and we’d get more important information about this virus in animal populations. DJ Hamsters are small and easy to blame/kill... |
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This is all distraction. What are they trying to distract our attention away from? How ridiculous to kill hamsters. |
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[url]https://outbreak.info/location-reports?loc=HKG[/url] or https://outbreak.info/location-reports?loc=HKG AY.127 (Hamster)Delta 16% replacing BA.1 27% and BA.1,1 25%in Hong Kong...BA.2 only shortlived ? 14% but allmost gone in last days... [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/[/url] or https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/ Hong Kong cases +726%, last week 95, last 7 days 785... · Does hamster sneeze? Here is our preprint of about SARS-CoV-2 in pet hamsters. We show:1 )hamster can be infected in real life settings 2 )the hamster virus can jump back to human and 3 )the hamster virus can cause sustianed transmission in human. https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4017393 So is there a "Hong Kong Hamster outbreak" with NL links ? [url]https://outbreak.info/location-reports?loc=NLD[/url] or https://outbreak.info/location-reports?loc=NLD no AY.127 in NL... [url]https://outbreak.info/situation-reports?pango=AY.127&loc=IND&loc=GBR&loc=USA&selected[/url] or https://outbreak.info/situation-reports?pango=AY.127&loc=IND&loc=GBR&loc=USA&selected the AY.127 Delta subvariant is detected most in Pakistan...(I believe NL hamsters went via Pakistan to Hong Kong ?) but AY.127 (there is also AY.127.1......) widespread, detected in 86 countries...NL 166 out of 93,483 sequences...so <0,5%....France 565 out of 195,063 sequences... DJ-It may be co-incidence...not linked to hamsters but a travel related human spread showing up in Hong Kong...further study may tell more ? |
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[url]https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4017393[/url] or https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4017393 ; Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 (Variant Delta) from Pet Hamsters to Humans and Onward Human Propagation of the Adapted Strain: A Case Study19 Pages Posted: 28 Jan 2022 AbstractBackground: Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from humans to other mammals, including pet animals, has been reported. However, with the exception of farmed mink, there is no previous documentation that these infected animals can infect humans, nor of further onward spread among humans. Following a confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection of a pet store worker, animals in the store and the warehouse supplying it were tested for evidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection. Infected aerosol encounters the eye which is bathed in lacrimal fluid (tears). Lacrimal fluid drains from the eye via the nasolacrimal duct to be discharged into the nose. DJ Hamsters would spread the virus via an eye-nose trajectory ? [url]https://twitter.com/world_epidemic/status/1487362679253585921/photo/1[/url] or https://twitter.com/world_epidemic/status/1487362679253585921/photo/1 so far three cases in humans indicating AY.127 hamster spread ? After the minks over a year ago this hamster story may be the most large non-human to human spread event... |
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