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    Posted: April 02 2021 at 1:41am

DJ-[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/04/02/pm-rutte-survives-debate-formation-leak-image-severely-damaged[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/04/02/pm-rutte-survives-debate-formation-leak-image-severely-damaged

VVD leader and departing Prime Minister Mark Rutte just barely survived a parliamentary debate on leaked notes from the cabinet formation process. He left the Tweede Kamer during the early hours of Good Friday morning with political trust in him severely damaged, but still in his position as Prime Minister. For the first time, whether Rutte can form a fourth cabinet really seems uncertain, NU.nl reports.

The parliamentary debate revolved around the cabinet formation, which was suddenly halted last Wednesday when pathfinder Kasja Ollongren, tasked with mapping out possibilities to form a coalition government, found out she had tested positive for coronavirus. As she rushed out carrying her notes under her arm,  journalists took photos which later revealed one of the notes stating ‘position Omtzigt, function elsewhere’. This referred to the CDA MP Pieter Omtzigt who played a key role in exposing the tax fraud which brought down Rutte’s last cabinet.


DJ-First protests at noon in The Hague..."Our" PM does get away with lying to the house of representatives about an MP who worked for years to stop Dutch tax"service" racism. "Our"PM wanted that MP "out of parliament"...

Also "pathfinders" rushing out after testing positive-to an official car-after wich also the driver needed testing...Cabinet members getting tested-and testresults-faster then anyone else in NL...

We are in wave three of this-endless-pandemic. Vaccinations are a disaster...

There are several "social explosives" in NL. From racism to increase of poverty by the main party making NL a major taxhaven...

For young people finding a house they can afford is as good as impossible. "Liberal policies" did make study more expensive, due to corona small jobs are difficult. (Restaurants and small shops closed-supermarkets often only want 16-18 y/o). The "liberals" (lack of) policy on enviroment, traffic is frustrating any climate deal...

We had elections march 17-with a "swing to the right" but maybe it should be seen as protest against the main parties run by an elite without contact with the population...See also [url]https://www.rt.com/news/519908-dutch-parliament-rebuke-rutte/[/url] or https://www.rt.com/news/519908-dutch-parliament-rebuke-rutte/ 

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/04/02/rutte-responds-parliaments-censure-cabinet-scout-isnt-house-cards[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/04/02/rutte-responds-parliaments-censure-cabinet-scout-isnt-house-cards 

DJ-Politics has become a dirty word in NL...we can not go on with this kind of "leaders"....

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[url]https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/04/christenunie-rules-out-a-new-coalition-with-rutte-as-prime-minister/[/url] or https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/04/christenunie-rules-out-a-new-coalition-with-rutte-as-prime-minister/  ;ChristenUnie leader Gert-Jan Segers says in an interview with the Nederlands Dagblad that a new Rutte-led cabinet would not be able to ensure a change in the political culture in ‘any credible way’. ‘Too much has happened’ under Rutte to take part in a new cabinet led by him, Segers said. 

ChristenUnie, he said, could not be part of a political culture in which elections are treated as ‘irritating interruptions’. The decision, he said, is about Rutte as the embodiment of the political culture of the past 10 years. ‘It would not be credible if the man responsible for that culture leads the cabinet which is supposed to change it.’

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[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/04/02/omtzigt-note-pm-ruttes-first-slip-memory[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/04/02/omtzigt-note-pm-ruttes-first-slip-memory ; On Thursday, VVD leader and departing Prime Minister Mark Rutte faced formal censure in parliament over a note from the cabinet formation process that mentioned critical CDA parliamentarian Pieter Omtzigt and the words "function elsewhere". Rutte said on camera that he did not discuss Omtzigt with the formation pathfinders, but notes from that conversation showed that he did indeed. Rutte claimed not to remember making the statement that something had to be done with Omtzigt, "make him a Minister". This is not the first time the Prime Minister had politically sensitive information slip his mind. Here follows a summary of such previous slips compiled by ANP.(Some examples of in fact lies of the PM to parliament)

After the around 13 hour long parliamentary debate on the Omtzigt note, which ended during the early hours of Good Friday morning, Rutte said that he did not consider resignation for a second. He said that he was going to do his "stinking best" and work very hard to regain the trust of parliament and society.

Ayfer Kock, leader of the Enschede faction of the CDA and Omtzigt's wife, was annoyed by this statement. "It's getting worse and more stupid that arrogance of power," she said to ANP on Friday. "Surely this Prime Minister will never be able to restore confidence in the rule of law? This time calls for servant leadership. We are facing major problems that must be tackled structurally and decisively. We have to be done with putting out fires, hiding mistakes, lying, withholding important information from parliament, thwarting MPs, and working on image." 

DJ-The PM-Mark(et) Rutte has become a problem. He now only has the support of his own party.

Two basic scenarios;

1 Trying to form a new government

2 New elections

The pandemic worsens other problems and this political crisis worsens the pandemic. 

The conservative government with Rutte as PM most was supported by over 40 y/o that do have a house, job, savings...often more suburban...The more social liberal party did win a lot of votes from younger age groups and in most of the larger cities. Christian parties did have backing in rural area's-but the christian democrats admit "their voters are close to the graveyard", traditional voters...

After last election a record number of 17 parties are in parliament with 150 seats...Even without rutte the liberal conservatives-the largest party with 35 seats-has become unacceptable for most other parties...A lot of those parties may think another election-after "showing they did there best getting a government" may bring in more seats...

DJ-Politics did become a hot issue now. Just before the elections march 17 Rutte as PM was supported by 54% of the voters-that now did drop to 25%...with even some right wing parties being fed up...

My view-the explosive load may be in many problems only getting worse during the "smiling trump-rutte 10 years"...The housing crisis is a big issue-with our government going for even stricter laws against squating. (Breaking in an empty building to live there-a very major issue 40 years ago-very limited now. Mayors warned against that law because it is further imbalancing the situation. Most new houses in NL end up at "investors (including "prince bernhard jr") then asking extreme rent...

Climate is another big issue. The liberal "vvd" proberbly gets finance from a.o. Shell (25% in royal family hands). The party is against laws that force them to be open on where there money is coming from "for privacy reasons"...NL is a major tax haven, for many "liberals" tax is a dirty word...

On local level municipalities now end up with the burden of social spending and care-many of them face banktruptcy...Even more left wing cities are forced to follow right wing national rules. A lot of the job ends up at "regions"...city councels-often their members over 50 or even older-do not understand it any longer. Hardly know how to handle a smart phone...

Arnhem region has 450,000 people but is spread over 10 municipalities...(part of an even larger region with 1 million people...)

Politics has become endless talking in one room to find out a decision was already made elsewhere...From Brussel/EU to "a region" -often decisions are made by people that hardly understand the problem...

DJ-This Dutch crisis is not only playing in NL-many countries face the same sort of crisis...Proberbly politics NOT stopping this pandemic is making the mix explosive...

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[url]https://www.sueddeutsche.de/meinung/niederlande-rutte-omtzigt-1.5257620!amp?__twitter_impression=true[/url] or https://www.sueddeutsche.de/meinung/niederlande-rutte-omtzigt-1.5257620!amp?__twitter_impression=true ;

Prime Minister Mark Rutte lied and cheated. But politics and the public act as if nothing has happened.

By Thomas Kirchner

As a reminder: by chance it emerged that the incumbent Prime Minister Mark Rutte had tried to get the uncomfortable Christian Democrat Pieter Omtzigt out of the way in the course of the talks on the formation of a new government. Rutte denied this for a week, but was finally convicted by documents. Instead of admitting the lie, however, he excused himself with his "false memory". At the same time, he denied having any motive for Omtzigt's cold-weathering - although it is undisputedly his most dangerous critic, an upright representative of the people who is preparing not only to clear up Rutte's blatant failure in the affair to clarify childcare allowance wrongly demanded by the state ,

Even the most important coalition partners only ask for some remorse

And how do you react in The Hague? Not only its own party is unanimous behind Rutte, who has been in office for almost eleven years and to whom almost everyone owes their posts. Even the most important previous coalition partners, left-wing liberals and Christian Democrats, are not demanding the resignation of the legendary, flexible Prime Minister, who has often been caught lying, but only a little remorse. Swam over it, it is a crisis, the country has to be governed. Realistically speaking, without Rutte it would not be possible at all to form a government, they say. And is there not a risk of months of political chaos without him, from which only extremists like Geert Wilders can benefit? Even the Greens keep the door ajar for Rutte, they don't want to block all power options.

DJ-While hospitals are in crisis politics want to reopen-Germany going for three week lockdown. NL ruled by "trump whit a smile"

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Sympathies!  

Stuck with another Trump is the very definition of national horror!  To be so during a pandemic is even more terrible.

The namesake has delivered the USA the highest national death toll so far (although Mexico and Brazil are vieing for the top spot).  Not an accolade you want.

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[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/04/11/van-huffelen-apologizes-whistleblower-childcare-subsidy-scndal[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/04/11/van-huffelen-apologizes-whistleblower-childcare-subsidy-scndal

Pierre Niessen, the former tax officer, had been alerting the government for years about wrongdoings in the distribution of childcare subsidies. He tried to warn the government that tax authorities were unjustly demanding a refund from 40 thousand people. His warnings fell on deaf ears and that was unacceptable the state secretary says, according to ANP.


“That was not good. His reports should have been looked at more in-depth”, Van Huffelen says. “I told him in our discussion that I am very grateful to him for raising his concerns persistently."

An external investigation by the consultancy, KPMG, has shown that Niessen was “completely right’ in five out of six of his reports says. The KPMG confirmed, for example, that a former manager at the tax authorities decided not to deal with objection in accordance with formal procedures. He dismissed them instead as requests for information.


The State Secretary is allocating 750 million euros for the cancellation of the victims’ public debt. It is unclear if the funds will be enough to cover the debt that victims amassed during the time they unjustly did not receive childcare allowance.

DJ-That part of the scandall did involve over 40,000 households-several thousends did flee from NL to escape tax-created debts...But it is just the top of an iceberg of government of the road...

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/04/12/largest-city-mayors-catering-group-annoyed-extended-cafe-terrace-shutdown[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/04/12/largest-city-mayors-catering-group-annoyed-extended-cafe-terrace-shutdown and [url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/04/11/lockdown-extended-terraces-will-reopen-april-21-curfew-remain[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/04/11/lockdown-extended-terraces-will-reopen-april-21-curfew-remain ;

DJ The "government" "leaked" opening plans-shops, restaurants would reopen...eventhough numbers indicated there was no room for that. (On purpose) Misinterpetation of good friday/easter lower numbers was the basis for reopening plans. Now mayors have to translate NOT reopening to the public....It is a pattern in NL that the national government dump problems to the local level-without enough money...lots of city councils finding it harder to find potential members (further eroding democracy...) 

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/04/11/daily-covid-infections-tops-8000-hospitalizations-9-week[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/04/11/daily-covid-infections-tops-8000-hospitalizations-9-week First the idea of "herd immunity" then a "strategy" to get the R0 <1-so to reopen-R0>1 ...Vaccinations are chaotic...unclear who will vaccinate wich group when with what vaccine...The health service "GGD" is doing most of the vaccinations, but GP doctors also play a role for the more vulnarable...they did invite-then cancel-thousends of people for the AZ/O vaccine...Care centers are a third group-first the patients then the HCW-ers...Hospitals-with a staff of over 200,000 for all of NL only had <10% vaccinated...They want to play a role in vaccinations but our "minister of health" want to keep large numbers of vaccines in reserve...

We have most the UK variant in NL but the SA and P1 variant may be increasing...Germany (more or less) did already close their border with NL. A big problem since it was an "open border" often with places on both sides of the border-the border may be in the middle of the street...

[url]https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/04/hospitals-face-delaying-heart-and-cancer-ops-as-coronavirus-cases-rise/[/url] or https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/04/hospitals-face-delaying-heart-and-cancer-ops-as-coronavirus-cases-rise/ 

[url]https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/04/hundreds-gather-in-amsterdam-to-raise-a-fist-against-anti-asian-racism/[/url] or https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/04/hundreds-gather-in-amsterdam-to-raise-a-fist-against-anti-asian-racism/  

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[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/04/12/netherlands-criticized-inhumane-treatment-immigrants-asylums-seekers[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/04/12/netherlands-criticized-inhumane-treatment-immigrants-asylums-seekers

Scientists from the Radboud University in Nijmegen determined that the strict interpretation of immigration rules by the Immigration and Naturalisation Services (IND) has often caused unfair treatment of immigrants and asylum seekers, the Trouw reported. The SCP, which provides socio-cultural policy advice based on scientific research argued that shortening the waiting period asylum seekers face in obtaining a decision, the more likely they are to quickly integrate into Dutch society.

There have been instances when people with a temporary residence permit are wrongly labeled as fraudsters. As a result, they have to repay all benefits received. In a worst-case scenario, they lose their residence permit and had to leave the country. 

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The researchers also showed that in recent years, Parliament has approved legislation that eroded the legal position of migrants and refugees. One example is that asylum seekers are no longer entitled to a free legal assistance during their first interview with the IND. Immigration lawyers are also drawing attention to this issue. They compiled the book 'Unheard, Injustice in Immigration Law' with fifty examples of injustice towards migrants from their practice. The book will be presented to Parliament on Monday.

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The organization also argued that newcomers who experience fair treatment during the asylum and family reunification procedures are more likely to later identify strongly as Dutch citizens and have greater confidence in Dutch institutions later on.

DJ-A racist government going against international rules...

[url]https://nltimes.nl/2021/04/12/doctors-air-pollution-major-problem-children-urgent-issue-next-cabinet[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2021/04/12/doctors-air-pollution-major-problem-children-urgent-issue-next-cabinet ;The new Cabinet must pay more attention to the issue of air pollution, particularly as low air quality is especially problematic for children. This urgent appeal was made by the lung health organizations Longfonds and Long Alliantie Nederland, as well as dozens of doctors and scientists.

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In 1 in 5 Dutch children, the development of this disease is related to nitrogen dioxide. Additionally, recent research shows that the lungs of children do not grow as well when they breathe more polluted air. By the age of sixteen, they have a lower lung function than children who grow up in relatively cleaner air, according to the coalition.

At least 12,000 people die prematurely each year from particulate matter or nitrogen dioxide according to the Longfonds.

DJ-In many ways the Dutch government signs all kind of international agreements only to break them...but on paper it looks okay...Legel steps can be ignored...

[url]https://www.containmentnu.nl/articles/uncertainty-on-strategy?lang=en[/url] orhttps://www.containmentnu.nl/articles/uncertainty-on-strategy?lang=en ;

Summary

The Netherlands does not have a clear Corona policy. That is bad enough as it is. What is worse: there is little evidence that the Netherlands has any desire to get rid of the virus. Our analysis shows that all actors behave and express themselves in a contradictory fashion. Although the Outbreak Management Team recently defined the policy of "maximum control" as "suppressing" the spread "as much as possible" to "(almost) zero", the RIVM institute defines the same concept as merely slowing the epidemic down. And the same OMT is now OK with a rising number of infections. That's not suppression.

Our best guess is that, at the moment, RIVM and GGD-GHOR are still aiming for a controlled spread of the virus and the gradual build-up of immunity, and the OMT is going along with this for now, despite the fact that since 23 June it has paid lip service to the concept of "suppression", and the media and the cabinet do not grasp the difference between "some virus circulation" and "no virus circulation".

In a situation where one has a diffuse, multiplicitous strategy, however, the strategy that suppresses the virus least "wins". Therefore, our major discrepancies in the Corona strategy are in dire need of clarification.

DJ-"Vision" is a dirty word for the present "liberal conservative government". They show themselves to be masters in creating chaos from responsibilities to vaccinations...it is getting more and more unclear what to expect, who has to do what...

Still this "government" did get reelected....march 17...

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