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Isn't weird how the media is all over a pandemic created by obesity the same day H5N1 is found in 3 American states?
Could it be that certain ppl are trying to distract the public from what is really occuring? newsnow -mark |
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Posted: September 03 2006 at 10:49pm |
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Well said
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If you cant get in the front door try the side door then the back door.
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Posted: September 03 2006 at 10:53pm |
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Marks what is happening that is not being reported?
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Posted: September 03 2006 at 11:12pm |
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the fourth estate is a gatekeeper. so that is the big question,
"what is not being reported?" |
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Posted: September 04 2006 at 12:09am |
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Nevertheless, the amount of people that will die from obeseity via heart attacks, diabetes and all other related problems is staggering. It is a 'time bomb' due to explode and it really is a when not an if. Hospitals will not be able to cope.
The projected deaths actually out strip bird flu death projections. A serious BF pandemic will possibly kill 300 million people "at worst" maybein the next 50 years sometime. The O pandemic will more than likely kill 300 million directly and countless others as the health sector crumbles. The US will be hit worse as the levels of O there are obscene. It's the karmic revenge of cattle and for that you can thank 'M' and all its chin drippin' fat lickin'gourgers! It won't be funny when we can't get our kids or parents hospital treatment because of the gluttony of the west crashing the health care system. If only this was a joke! And you think Aliens will land with all this going on!!? 
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Posted: September 04 2006 at 7:43am |
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Obesity does not have the potential to be physically contagious. BUt I
do agree ppl, especially here in the States, are getting bigger and
bigger.
I noticed that there weren't 5 fast food resturants on every corner when I went to Europe, unlike the American cities. I didn't mean for this thread to be an OT on Obesity. I will go to this UK Obesity site to find out more about it. Are ppl heavy in Scotland too? Or are they all skinny? What diet do your ppl eat? exercise? or do u all have an outstanding health care system like the commies? GIVE ME YOUR SECRETS SCOTTISH DUDE! -mark Do you know Sean Connery? |
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Posted: September 04 2006 at 11:19am |
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I saw a special about a year ago on tv...that said this, "That history shows people becomming heaftier, heavier just before a great catastrophy"...could the BF be the reason why?
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Posted: September 04 2006 at 3:29pm |
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I am not Scottish but an English Hugh Grant;)) Why the forum tagged me with 'Scotland Advisor' is beyond me 
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Posted: September 04 2006 at 7:56pm |
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Ahhh Kevo likes hookers. LOL
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 8:37am |
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Sometimes I sit in front of my kids school (parent pickup) and I count how many nutricinally enriched kids walk out the building. Average 45-50%. Somebody needs to hook a treadmill to the Xbox. Some kids want to gain wieght to be down with that whole thug mentality. I'm big so people won't mess with me.
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 8:46am |
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I weigh a little more than I should...but hey, if a BF pandemic hits I have more fat to live off of than everyone who is skinny!!!!!!
I won't have to hit my preps as soon as others!
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 11:50am |
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or if ppl get really hungry, u may become a great meal. eeeeek!
kevo- since you are English i guess it's okay. God save the Queen! |
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 2:08pm |
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Hey Kevo,
Alot of obesity in this county is caused by the hormones in meat and dairy products. They inject the cows etc. to fatten them up and they bioaccumulate in them and us. It is difficult and quite expensive to avoid them. Not only that but alot of people are just plain ignorant of them. No excuse but our government sure does not help.
I must say that the Europeans are much more aware of what they put in their mouth.
Also, you guys are scrunched together in a small amount of space and can get around by walking and on mass transit, which is everywhere over there. Whereas most people here need their car to get to work or just do the days shopping. Not as much opportunity to walk around and spend calories.
That said, my husband and I did our Master's Degrees in England in the late 80's and now are forbidden from every donating blood, thanks to the mad cow that we were possible exposed to in your county.
p.s. I was over your side just a year ago and you guys are getting pretty fat too!
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 2:31pm |
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There are so many reasons for obsity , one I heard is it is caused by a virus spread by chickens, Google virus and obsity and there is research going on that states a virus spread by chickens causes obsity.
More to fear from chickens than you thought eh
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 6:50pm |
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See, it's not from the massive amounts of food and caloric intake, it's the chicken~
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Posted: September 05 2006 at 9:21pm |
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There are so many reasons for obsity...
There may be many reasons to eat too much, and there may be many reasons to engage in too little physical activity, but there is only one reason for obesity: taking in too many calories for the amount of activity your body engages in.
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Posted: September 06 2006 at 6:38am |
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I burn my calories by blogging
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What about hidden sugars in foods?living on a budget with a family can be hard,sometimes people have no choice but to eat the mass processed foods,the healthy option is not a "option" for many,i agree education is key to living a healthy lifestyle again we have to look at how we live and to question the food suppliers ,Fats salts and sugars are put in the food as a easy way to gain maximum profit,as i recall our brains become addicted to fat laden products ,so why do companies charge so much for fat reduced food and then put extra sugar in them ?we are being conned people.It would be nice to be able to have access to good organic food all year that would not bankrupt our family.Also depression among other things can causes disrupted eating patterns.the demands of a modern society in my view are partly responsible for the growth in obesity,people seek a little happiness in many different ways if your options are limited then the risk involved with you health may not bother you . |
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Posted: September 06 2006 at 6:13pm |
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nutritionally enriched kids -
 LOL
Just a thought - as the smoking rate decreases, obesity increases....
What is a guy to do?
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Posted: September 06 2006 at 11:53pm |
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USA kicked Uk's ass in the revolution. now we are going to destroy the earth by making it 'warmer' and feeding everyone McDondald's. muhahaha
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That is funny, I guess, except that when obese have pneumonia, they die at a higher rate. Better to improve your health before the pandemic than to presume you can't catch it staying at home.
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Posted: September 07 2006 at 6:41pm |
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Hey guys, Thanks for the skinny on obesity.
Time for my bedtime snack .... goodnight all.
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if u eat proper food the body is satisfied with less. if u eat processed food the body is continually hungry as there is no nutrition (energy) in it. Energy and calories are not the same thing. Energy incl vitamins, minerals wich the body requires on a daily basis. Friends come back from usa and they cant believe 1) the high number of really obese people and 2) the difficulty in getting proper food. Everything seems to be processed. 3) how the kids dont exercise.
We are also in NZ starting to see the same problems.
Our supermarkets are now full of processed food. But it is cheaper to eat fresh fruit and veg. You can gow some of it in apartments by growing in pots in windows.
Kids get run everywhere here. As a kid i either walked, biked or didnt go anywhere. Modern kids think it is there right to be taxied everywhere and making them walk is a crime.
Health is an individual responsibility. U are the only person who lives in your body. therefore u are responsible for keeping it in good health. Yes I know RESPONSIBILITY is a dirty word. Which is why we have a high crime rate. it is always someone elses fault.
Soory but i get a little hot when people blame others for their problems
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Posted: September 08 2006 at 7:39am |
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"There may be many reasons to eat too much, and there may be many reasons to engage in too little physical activity, but there is only one reason for obesity: taking in too many calories for the amount of activity your body engages in."
Man....the truth hurts... I guess I had better go for a walk....:)
I think my fanny grows due to the OVERUSE of the computer, too...
 ..oh what's a girl to do? I am certain CHOCOLATE must have something to do with the solution...
 Speaking of...has anyone prepped chocolate?
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 8:32pm |
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The continued existance of this thread just proves that we all need to get up and go for a 2 mile walk!
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Posted: September 09 2006 at 8:54pm |
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It was a interesting thread , lots of diverse opinions
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Posted: September 10 2006 at 3:18am |
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Mamasjob:
"I think my fanny grows due to the OVERUSE of the computer, too...
 "I don't think that can mean the same as it does in Britain, or it would explain a lot!
Araywood: I love the expression "nutritionally enriched kids! I shall remember that one.
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was that a typo? you mean 'licks'? |
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We have a winner!! 
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Does fanny mean something differnet in the US? Over hear it's the polite word for cu** (and I don't mean cute) Mind you, for bottom, you say 'ass' when it should be 'arse'. Ass is something rather akin to a donkey. So someone in the UK that has a fat Ass, has an overwiegh donkey |
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Dear KevO,
Nope...I just meant my ample BEHIND...:) OK...so, now you made me blush (in the U.S..that means my face turned red..
The sendentary life....at my computer lately...has made my "caloretic" output drop severely....and I have to watch it.
Sincerely, JD
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mamasjob: I prepped chocolate frosting in the tub; exp date in 2008; plain chocolate won't last that long. Of course, it won't keep long after opening, so we will have to eat it all ........lol.
steve 101: speaking as a diabetic, I can verify what you say about eating properly and being satisfied with less. As long as I stick to my diet I am never hungry. But it is not cheaper here in the U.S. to eat fresh fruits and vegetables, in fact it's a real strain on the budget. Also speaking as a diabetic, I still get an urge sometimes for a wicked treat, so I plan on getting a share of that tub of chocolate frosting if a sick chicken knocks at my door. :)
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If ignorance is bliss, what is chocolate?
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I'm in northeast Ohio and I have to go about 20 minutes so I can buy affordable fruit. I'm in the boonies so the closest store has high prices especially on the fruit. Fruit here in my opinion is not very good during the winter months since everything is shipped here. It is crazy what we get charged for fresh fruits and vegetables. |
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Hi neighbor! I am in N.E. Ohio also. You are right the prices are horrible and the quality stinks. I but fozen friut and veggies and since we are close to Amish country you can find alot of good deals and good quality. I also go to flea markets and find things such as bananas 3lbs/1.00 and 10lbs of potatoes for 1.00. You can also can and freeze your own for winter. Apple and pumpkin season is here......try freezing some of those. Hope some of this helps!
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KevO: I think there is something you need to understand. NOT ALL Americans are brainwashed neo-cons. Almost ever post you have written makes sweeping generalizations about Americans. You are very deragoatory towards us. Fact is: There are alot of very educated liberal and left wing Americans. And alot of environmentalist that believe as you. I myself am one of a great many left-wing environmentalists. You have Tony Blair we have Bush. We aren't blaming you for what Mr. Blair does. The damn Corporation is running everything over here and over there so stop believing and asserting (please) that ALL Americans buy into all the corportate crap! Stop lumping me and my compatriots into this American right wing camp! The left is here too! See us! Recognize us!
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Heidi: Well said.
People are people are to judge them by the behaviour of their respective governments is an error. If they must be judged, and perhaps that is an error in itself, they should be judged on how they live their lives as individuals. Once again, well said. |
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Thanks Scotty. And you - are absolutely right!! The problem is: people all over the world are judging us Americans based on our government. What are we to do? |
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He's just mad because we won the Revolution and saved their hides in WWII.
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No obesity epidemic (pandemic) first and foremost in the USA, should come as a surprise.
But over here on this side of the pond those problems are ever-increasing as well.
 FYI, on & off-topic;
I've used the board's searchengine and since it couldn't produce any post with her name around here, I'd just like to show you to some work of Mrs. Marion Nestlé, in regard of food / food politics in the United States of America. She was a government employee and I learned about her work more than 3 years ago. Do yourself a favour and read a bit of what's in below links.
Dr. Marion Nestlé, a bit of a bio; I have no idea if that site is reliable, but the data and the attributed quotes are good stuff anyhow. Read more about the (governmental) work of this woman, and then judge if you go along with the description "hysterical". I know I don't. She was simply ahead of her time.
Amazon's offer of her book "Food Politics" with Editorial Reviews, sample pages and so on.
Food Politics.com , Marion Nestlé's website.
By the way did you know that the US Food Laws - at least up to a couple of years ago - dated back entirely to around World War I and that the US food industry has always been succesfull in killing any governmental attempts to modernize those laws and to upgrade the responsibilities of food producers/manufacturers?
You didn't? Well, then you know it now...
More on the backgrounds of the topic (obesity), but paying attention to f.e. lethal CJD/vCJD (Creutzfeldt Jakob) as well, and scroll down for more book titles:
www.animalfreedom.org - Is McDonalds social and animal friendly or just concerned with their image ?
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A few points on obesity. First, the lower the socio economic class you fall into the easier it is to become obese. Rice, pasta, potatoes and heavy starch foods plus cheaper fattier cuts of meat are what is affordable in ones budget. Second, many poor dont live in neighborhoods you want to jog in, and if you do, you may get arrested. Those who are not tired from working manual labor (which does not have to be physical) or working two jobs, dont really feel like "working out" when they get home. Funny, but assembly line folks dont usually have gyms in the manufacturing plants.
Ohter people are dependent on medications that are prescribed by DR.s and the side effects can be weight gain, two such medications are certain anti -depressants and steriods. Others yet, can have medical conditions, that keep them inactive or at least not active enough to maintain the old six pack, lupus is one such disease that can limit ones ability to hit the gym.
The other thing, I find amusing, is that Dr.s will harrass people to lose weight, not even knowing, or caring to see what their circumstances are that have caused the weight gain. They refuse any kind of medical help, other then diet, which rarely works and keeps weight off of any significance. Most research has shown that a BMI over forty four percent usually must result in weight loss surgery to lose weight and keep it off. There are plenty medications whose side effects are also appitite supression,but they are not or rarely ever prescribed to help someone get back on track or to get started. The MDs sure will do the weight loss surgery and the resulting plastic surguries though, at tens of thousands of dollars a pop. And the surguries both the weight loss and the plastic body lifts after the fact are every bit as risky as prescribing something as a appitite suprresant. Follow the money as they say. As for the poor over weight, they can just go ahead and die, no one cares. I also believe genetics can play a role in over weight, as some people and families are thin no matter what they eat, and others are fat magnets.
One of the five fatest people, I have ever known was a neighbor, he was a surgeon. Maybe his job was too cushy and he spent too much money on food.
The bottom line is, morbid obesity, is a addiction, like alchohol or drugs, for the most part, there is a emotional reason for why someone allows themselves to become so at risk for early death. It is one of the few things though, that brings out little if any compassion, from a society that prides itself, in accepting almost any behavoir. Whoever said that the reasons for obesity were many, was correct. It is a heck of a lot more then just calories in and energy out. Just tell a drug addict to say no, to whatever drug they are addicted to. Not as easy as some would like to let others think.
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According to the World Health Organization, a pandemic can start when three conditions have been met:
A disease or condition is not a pandemic merely because it is widespread or kills a large number of people; it must also be infectious. For example cancer is responsible for a large number of deaths but is not considered a pandemic because the disease is not infectious OK I totally agree that obesity is a serious problem. It is causing all kinds of health problems, HOWEVER, this is irresponsible reporting on the part of media once again. Pandemic is not a word that should be used lightly. We are facing the possibility of a REAL pandemic. We are having a hard enough time convincing those we love that this threat is real. A pandemic means death all around us. We will have to face choices that we can't imagine. If we continue to use the word pandemic for problems like obesity it will diminish it's importance. I can't stand the word 'chilling' anymore just for this very reason. What's next - we are having a pandemic of credit card debt in this country. Everyone needs to write an editorial in their local newspapers reminding the media of their obligation to all of us. GG
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So if you are obese then you can blame everything and everyone else besides yourself. We all have lived perfect lives except for your self. No one else besides you have ever been oppressed, diseased, ignored, left out to dry. Your actions do not need to be justified. it's okay. Just blame your misfourtunes on what is wrong with society. (just make sure you have some sort of documentation to back your claim up especially if you go on a killing spree.) if all else fails. blame the president. -mark |
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one more thing
WHAAAAA! |
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