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Posted: May 20 2006 at 6:31am |
The following story is breaking news in
England this moring. The BBC or other MSM has not picked up on
this yet. The full article is linked below.
Tim 20 May 2006 EBOLA FEARS AS BRIT DIES
Woman collapses on packed flight
By Stephen Moyes
A WOMAN is feared to have died from ebola after taking ill on a plane home from Africa yesterday. Passengers and crew on the flight to Heathrow are understood to be panicking that they have contracted the contagious virus. They helped the Briton when she was vomiting and bleeding. Some even shared their drinks with her. Last night, tests were being run to confirm whether she had the haemorraghic fever. http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/news/tm_objectid=17105559%26method=full%26siteid=66633-name_page.htmlEdited by lsu2001 - May 20 2006 at 12:39pm |
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ahh crap
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roxy
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oh crap, i agree, as i grasp, roxy |
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You would think the WHO would be on this right away. If ebola, should be easy to trace, as outbreaks are followed closely. I wish they are saying they are also checking for H5N1, but that might be too reactionary. In any case, thank you so much Isu2001 for bringing us this story, I didn't see it this am in the usual outlets. Please keep us up to date on all the developments. It is concerning, as it doesn't match any typical "Western" common ailments: seizures and unconsciousness, mixed with vomiting and bleeding, with flu symptoms days prior to her plane ride. Certainly sounds like an infectious agent.
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We should always err on the side of caution. I am from the US so I am not familiar with this authors "point of view" or personal motivation. Perhaps we should read what else an author has written before we jump to conclusions. With so many situations developing perhaps we should pause and analyse our sources of data. What is that rule of journalism that was brought to the forefront of our minds during the mining disaster where family members were told the miners were found alive based on one person's misinterpretation of the events? Wouldn't this be especially true when dealing with worldwide disasters? Just a thought.
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JN What is your take on this very curious???
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i reread my post...I didn't mean to sound harsh. This was just a very disturbing post to me. My apologies if what I wrote had a tone to it.
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After reading the article, I would agree that we need to be very careful in what we say and do. However I would strongly recommend that we follow this case until competent medical authority has determined what has happened here. From the sounds of the article I would doubt that it was Ebola. However, it could be something that is indeed a problem.
Do we know if the passengers were placed in quarantine??
Were any of the passengers going to other countries??
What happened to the Airplane, was it completely disinfected before being placed back in service?
What about the air crew (stewardess) are they working other routes?
These would be questions that the press in the UK should be asking.
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Major Dad hopes you are all alive and well and looking out for each other
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The publication that printed this appears to be a tabloid. I have tracked down other articles from the same author and you might find it interesting what types of articles he writes. Obviously, it is not that difficult to confirm if she had Ebola or not. Having worked in ER for many years, we often take precautions to isolate and mask the patient, if there is even a slight possibility the condition is infectious. By now, it in the early evening in U.K. They have the results. In the midst of serious real crisis conditions in the world, we certainly don't need fiction. I tend usually to be a lot more open minded. This story doesn't feel real. Sorry. Edited by medclinician - May 20 2006 at 9:11am |
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full article below:
EBOLA FEARS AS BRIT DIES
Woman collapses on packed flight
By Stephen Moyes
A WOMAN is feared to have died from ebola after taking ill on a plane home from Africa yesterday. Passengers and crew on the flight to Heathrow are understood to be panicking that they have contracted the contagious virus. They helped the Briton when she was vomiting and bleeding. Some even shared their drinks with her. Last night, tests were being run to confirm whether she had the haemorraghic fever. The 38-year-old was on Virgin Atlantic flight VS602 from Johannesburg. It is understood she worked at an embassy in Lesotho. She had visited a doctor before the flight complaining of flu symptoms and was told she could fly. Cabin crew and passengers passed her drinks and did all they could to help. At around 3am, she started to vomit heavily and began bleeding. When the Airbus A340-600, carrying 249 passengers and 18 crew, touched down at 7am she was rushed to nearby Hillingdon Hospital. Hospital staff treated her as if she had ebola as her symptoms matched those of the virus. She died in hospital. Cabin crew who came into contact with the woman have been told to monitor their health over the next week. A hospital spokesman said: "A patient was brought to our accident and emergency department on May 19 after falling ill on a flight to Heathrow. "As a precautionary measure, the patient was initially treated as if infectious. Tests are still ongoing to establish the nature of the illness." A Virgin spokeswoman said: "We can confirm that a female passenger taken ill on flight VS602 subsequently died at Hillingdon Hospital. "Virgin Atlantic would like to extend our sympathies to the family and friends of the passenger." One cabin crew member said: "Those people who came into contact with the dead woman are terrified at what might have been caught." The virus is transmitted by direct contact with infected body fluids. There is limited evidence of human-to-human airborne transmission.
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Things to note:
"As a precautionary measure, the patient was initially treated as if infectious. Tests are still ongoing to establish the nature of the illness."
Cabin crew who came into contact with the woman have been told to monitor their health over the next week. (Note: and in the meantime, it seems NO quarentine although 'the patient was initially treated as if infectious'. And ... IF infected, they could be passing it on!) One cabin crew member said: "Those people who came into contact with the dead woman are terrified at what might have been caught." (Note: and yet, as terrified as they are, they could still be out and about in their daily life, mingling amoungst many .... terrified with tests still pending! And ENGLAND is NOT a poor, third world country! So, how do we expect Indonesia to handle THEIR problems, if England is handling this one this way?) -k
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Was wondering the same thing, MC ... the photos on the web page looked like our American Tabloids. And based on what I just posted ... I hope that's true! If it is true ... and England's response is factual ... there is an up-hill battle ahead of us regarding any kind on containment in spread through airline trave for BF. -k
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Hemorrhagic Bird Flu looke just like Ebola to an average person.
It was reported as Ebola in the original Boxun reports out of China.
http://www.avianflutalk.com/forum_posts.asp?FID=16&TID=1469&PN=1 Edited by JoeNeubarth - May 20 2006 at 9:45am |
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ReadyMom, I agree with MedClinice: Let us sit on this one. The other news agencies in the UK are not picking up on this and it would be a huge story if true. Let us have this one cook for 24 hours. If it is true we will know by then.
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Major Dad hopes you are all alive and well and looking out for each other
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http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/news/tm_objectid=17105559%26method=full%26siteid=66633-name_page.html
Here's another article on the woman with "Ebola". 20 May 2006 EBOLA FEARS AS BRIT DIES Woman collapses on packed flight By Stephen Moyes A WOMAN is feared to have died from ebola after taking ill on a plane home from Africa yesterday. Passengers and crew on the flight to Heathrow are understood to be panicking that they have contracted the contagious virus. They helped the Briton when she was vomiting and bleeding. Some even shared their drinks with her. Last night, tests were being run to confirm whether she had the haemorraghic fever. The 38-year-old was on Virgin Atlantic flight VS602 from Johannesburg. It is understood she worked at an embassy in Lesotho. She had visited a doctor before the flight complaining of flu symptoms and was told she could fly. But during the trip, she suffered a fit that knocked her unconcious. Cabin crew and passengers passed her drinks and did all they could to help. At around 3am, she started to vomit heavily and began bleeding. When the Airbus A340-600, carrying 249 passengers and 18 crew, touched down at 7am she was rushed to nearby Hillingdon Hospital. Hospital staff treated her as if she had ebola as her symptoms matched those of the virus. She died in hospital. Cabin crew who came into contact with the woman have been told to monitor their health over the next week. A hospital spokesman said: "A patient was brought to our accident and emergency department on May 19 after falling ill on a flight to Heathrow. "As a precautionary measure, the patient was initially treated as if infectious. Tests are still ongoing to establish the nature of the illness." A Virgin spokeswoman said: "We can confirm that a female passenger taken ill on flight VS602 subsequently died at Hillingdon Hospital. "Virgin Atlantic would like to extend our sympathies to the family and friends of the passenger." One cabin crew member said: "Those people who came into contact with the dead woman are terrified at what might have been caught." The virus is transmitted by direct contact with infected body fluids. There is limited evidence of human-to-human airborne transmission. |
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Agreed! That's why I added my little addendum there!! -k
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Same writer, same story. We need a second source with a bit more detail on actions taken. CONFIRMATION. This site has been blasted for some people going over the deep end and posting things in News site's that were not true. WE need to be carefully and make sure that the facts are right!!!!
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Major Dad hopes you are all alive and well and looking out for each other
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Can anyone find any other media outlets reporting this information? I'm looking and I don't see anything.
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Ok here we are;
Saturday, 20 May 2006 10:31 BNN: British Nursing News Online · www.bnn-online.co.uk WOMAN COULD HAVE DIED FROM THE DEADLY AND CONTAGIOUS EBOLA VIRUS A woman is feared to have died from the deadly and contagious ebola virus after she arrived in London on a flight from Africa. http://www.bnn-online.co.uk/index.asp#3608 |
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ISU2001, any info which airline was involved? Maybe one of you Brits could contact them directly and find out what the status is - at least get confirmation/denial as to accuracy. If this is true, it is extremely disturbing that passengers and crew were allowed to leave.
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Fem Vet it was supposedly a Virgina Atlanta flight. Secondary post appears to be a rehash of the original story. Would like something from the Times or BBC.
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Major Dad hopes you are all alive and well and looking out for each other
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Yes, I saw it. The post by Ruth came at the same time as mine. Still no independend confirmation.
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Saying that it is Ebola is wrong and could be very misleading.
They have no way of knowing. All that is reportable is that she may have died from a hemorrhagic fever (and there are scores of them out there). She also could have had an aneurysm that ruptured into her throat (unlikely) and did not die from a virus at all. Since she was reported as ill with flu symptoms to begin with, I am disposed to fear Bird Flu. And yes, I do believe it is now endemic to the entire continent of Africa. Edited by JoeNeubarth - May 20 2006 at 10:05am |
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Been searching BBC and London papers to no avail, so far. -k
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Re article on woman on plane with possible ebola:
ReadyMom, Sorry, I posted this without knowing that you had too, and I don't know how to get rid of it! Edited by rutsuyasun - May 20 2006 at 10:10am |
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Another possibility. This could be a test of the net to see who picks up on just such stories and what web sites need to be shut down if TSHTF. The thing smells rotten. The "writer" is a tabloid type from the UK equivalent of the National Inquirer. Has won most of his awards for "scoops" on celibs. Go figure. |
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Major ... I just found another one ... in the Daily Mirror ... what do you want me to do? -k You can PM me @ TK3Promotions@comcast.net, if you think that would be better.
Edited by ReadyMom - May 20 2006 at 10:23am |
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Sam ... see above! -k
edit note: they do look like tabloid papers, so far! Edited by ReadyMom - May 20 2006 at 10:30am |
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From the CDC:
Globally, there are an estimated 50 to 100 million cases of dengue fever (DF) and several hundred thousand cases of dengue hemorrhagic fever (DHF) per year
There are a number of hemorrhagic fevers, as JoeNeubarth notes. Dengue is orders of magnitude more common than Ebola/Marburg, and is transmitted by mosquitoes, so there is no H2H risk; maybe that's what this is. On the other hand see the thread "Congo virus outbreak suspected in POK" and note the South Africa connection (since she flew out of Johannesburg). Edited by VtDoc - May 20 2006 at 10:36am |
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oke ... here goes nothin' new source (looks like a tabloid, again):
20 May 2006 'EBOLABUG' IN By Stephen Moyes A WOMAN who arrived in Panic has spread among cabin crew and hospital staff after the death of the 38-year-old Briton. The unnamed woman is understood to work at an embassy in the African Before boarding a Virgin Atlantic flight from She was allowed to fly, but during Flight VS602 to the Cabin crew and passengers rushed to her aid but towards the end of the flight she began vomiting. When the Airbus A340-600, carrying 267 passengers and crew, touchdown at Heathrow she was rushed to nearby Hillingdon Hospital, West London. Her symptoms matched those of the viral haemorraghing fever ebola. A post mortem is being done to confirm it. Virgin Atlantic cabin crew who came into contact with the woman have been told to monitor their health. One said: "We are now terrified what we may have caught." Deadly ebola is often characterised by the sudden onset of fever, intense weakness, muscle pain, headache and sore throat. |
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Sam ... you are right ... same author! They look like linked tabloids, too - don't they? Sneaky little devil , he is! Well, we'll just have to watch and see what happens with this. I poised the quarentine question earlier,as well. -k
VtDoc ... I was also wondering about the Congo Virus link.
I guess 'time will tell' on this one. Info is so limited, we're relying on news meida, now. -k
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So far I have see three different editions of the same story by the same writer. Other "news" sources are picking it up and running the story but no independent confirmation by their own reporters. Time to let it cook. Late in the day in UK and tomorrow is Sunday. May not hear real confirmation until Monday.
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oke Guys .. ... It's a date ... same time, same place?
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Google reveals that Stephen Moyes (The writer of the article) is an investigative reporter. He is listed as a finalist for reporter category for British Press awards. Could be that he is a flake, but not likely. http://www.britishpressawards.com/finalists.html |
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From a Congo virus story last year (courtesy of standingfirm) Besides being a danger to people living in the area, the warning was also important for people travelling to the region, which borders North West Angola where there are many South Africans working in the diamond industry
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Albert, I didn't even know that tinyurl existed until you posted that. I checked it out and it look legit as a means of just shortening a long URL into a tiny one. It just links to the original URL as best I can tell. Is there something that I do not understand? |
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[QUOTE=JoeNeubarth]
[QUOTE=Albert] I wouldn't trust any news related to a URL coming from TinyUrl.com TinyURL is perfectly legit and reliable. I've used it for years. It's a compression tool that shrinks long URLs into manageable packages, good for things like 200-character map/direction links. It's content neutral, and directs you to the page in question. Try it for yourself: www.tinyurl.com. I can't say for sure how long the link lasts. But it seems to be durable, and I've never seen it misdirect. Edited by pspiegel - May 20 2006 at 11:52am |
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Alright People just for clarification. I found the story over on fluwiki and they have a long thread with many of the same concerns and questions as we have here. As far as the tinyurl.com thing I simply copied the url from the Daily Record website and pasted it into the shortening blank on tinyurl.com. It generated a short url and I posted that. There is no intent on my part to mislead anyone. I am simply relaying the story. If you notice the title of this thread it clearly indicates this is OFF TOPIC for bird flu and MAY BE Ebola. Thats It. Tim |
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NO I did not start the thread on the wiki, I found it there and wanted to discuss it here thats it.
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I visit a lot of weather related hurricane sites and the mods there ask
people to use TinyUrl rather than putting in extremly long urls to help
prevent side scrolling. I just have gotten into the habit when I
post on a board.
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OK Albert, I changed the orginal post to the actual URL from the Daily
Record but I really believe that you are over reacting to the tinyurl
thing. But it's your site and you can make the rules as you see fit.
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When this calms down a bit, could someone from the U.K. give us a list
of British newspapers and which are considered tabloid and which are
reliable?
I have no idea what I'm looking at when British newspapers pop up in a search. |
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I think that Albert's point is NOT to make a ridiculous new rule ... but to make it easier all around, for everyone, to see just where a story is coming from, right away. It's not a big deal to put the full URL on a post. There are some that are more computer suave (sp?) than others and this just makes it easier on all. Just MHO, for what it's worth. -k
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