Off Topic Maybe Ebola

So, Diane ... do you have any way ... with your connections to find out anything more on this? To help verify it with the airline if there was even such a situation as this happening?? That might be a good place to start. To actually verify the event, first. -k  (baby steps ... till we see what breaks, if anything in Sunday's news in England).

Plague
Plague is a severe infection caused by the gram-negative bacterium Yersinia pestis.

The bacterium that causes plague primarily infects wild rodents, such as rats, mice, squirrels, and prairie dogs. In the past, massive plague epidemics, such as the Black Death of the Middle Ages, killed large numbers of people. Large numbers of rodents and poor sanitation were the major factors contributing to these epidemics. More recent outbreaks have been limited to one person or small clusters of people. More than 90% of the plague infections in the United States occur in the southwestern states, particularly Arizona, California, Colorado, and New Mexico.

The bacteria that cause plague are usually transmitted from infected animals to people by fleas. Coughing or sneezing, which disperse bacteria in droplets, can spread the infection from one person to another. Transmission from household pets, especially cats, can also occur through fleabites or the inhalation of infected droplets.

Symptoms and Diagnosis
Plague takes one of several forms—bubonic, pneumonic, septicemic, or pestis minor. The symptoms vary depending on the form of plague.

Bubonic plague symptoms usually appear 2 to 5 days after exposure to the bacterium, but they can appear any time from a few hours to 12 days later. Symptoms start suddenly with chills and a fever of up to 106° F. The heartbeat becomes rapid and weak, and the blood pressure may drop. Swollen lymph nodes (buboes) appear in the groin, armpit, or neck shortly before or along with the fever. Typically, the swollen lymph nodes are firm and extremely tender. The overlying skin is smooth and red but not warm. The person is likely to become restless, delirious, confused, and uncoordinated. The liver and spleen may enlarge and can be felt easily during examination. Lymph nodes may fill with pus and drain spontaneously during the second week. More than 60% of untreated people die. Most deaths occur between the third and fifth day.

Pneumonic plague is infection of the lungs with plague bacteria that have spread through the blood from another site of infection or that have been inhaled during exposure to a source of the bacteria—such as a person with pneumonic plague who is coughing. This form of plague is highly contagious; experts believe that the pneumonic form could result if plague were disseminated by terrorists. Symptoms, which begin abruptly 2 or 3 days after exposure to the bacteria, include a high fever, chills, rapid heartbeat, and often a severe headache. A cough develops within 24 hours. The sputum is clear at first, but rapidly becomes flecked with blood, and then becomes uniformly pink or bright red (resembling raspberry syrup) and foamy. Rapid and labored breathing is common. Most untreated people die within 48 hours of the start of symptoms.

Septicemic plague is infection that spreads into the blood. Death may occur even before other symptoms of bubonic or pneumonic plague appear.

Pestis minor is a mild form of plague that usually occurs only in a geographic area where the disease is common (endemic). Its symptoms—swollen lymph nodes, fever, headache, and exhaustion—subside within a week.

Plague is diagnosed by analyzing laboratory cultures of bacteria grown from samples of blood, sputum, or lymph nodes.

Bozito wrote: I haven't read this entire thread, so maybe this is old news.  This article mentions the flight.

Melody4Avon wrote: I get "breaking news" from Yahoo...I type in words that I want breaking news on such as ebola, bird flu, hurricane, earthquake, etc...I did not get any news about ebola...usually the breaking news is from associate press I believe (AP) but I don't think they release story unless it is "confirmed" correct me if I am wrong but that is what I thought. Also, tabloids can have part truths. Doesn't hurt to keep an eye on this story or follow up. Most countries or airlines would not want to cuase a panick. Any type of panick anywhere means loss of money for many.

funny you should mention that, ive got the same set up with google, and it seems there are still a few news stories that slip through the net
    

While this poor woman may or may not have had influenza, her plight has just shown the "sick passenger on a plane" hypothesis of initial outbreak to be perfectly viable.

I did a google search,  and it shows that The Mirror and The Glasgow Daily Record both recorded the article 21 hours ago.

Would you expect to see it picked up by other papers since that time if it was credible?

I am really concerned about this situation. My husband is over there right now. The AIRLINES  HAVE NO POLICY IN PLACE FOR THIS!!! There are no masks for sick passengers, no masks for surrounding passengers, no gloves, etc. They have no policy of holding flight crew and passengers if there is a potential infectious disease. All the federal government has mandated  is that the Airlines need to keep passenger lists of all to hand over to the CDC if there is a problem. All of the recently financially troubled airlines are balking at this and haven't agreed to do it so far.. Airlines also have no special filtration systems. Cabin air is recirculated. Fresh air intake is reduced  to a minimum because it causes a reduction in fuel economy, it can add a huge amount to the already staggering fuel costs of the airlines. Remember that in the SARS outbreak, people were infected as far away as 11 rows I think. However the majority were closer. I am getting terrified!! Thank God my husband isn't comming through Heatrow this trip.

 

Thanks Albert for fixing my sign in problem

Bozito,

You are a riot!! You have got to be a women!! If not you most be the most intouch guy out there!! THANK YOU!!

I just made a birthday cake for my daughter, and made cupcakes for youth group for after the Youth Mass tomorrow! My mind was off it, for that time.

 

 As for my Husband, I know that he is safe NOW, however, you have to realize that I worry about this. It could be his plane next time. I am aware of the fact that cabin air is the same as the cockpit air. If you have a sick passenger on a plan next to the intake vent, not good. Also DH is not "OCD" about hand washing yet. Think about it! Every hotel room he goes to everything he touches... The virus can live for a week to 10 days in normal temps. Three days ago he was in Rome, Today London, next week  Paris, ETC, ETC, ETC... I He is out there walking through all these International Airports, touching surfaces... Well needless to say, I think I should turn of the computer and go take a Jacuzzi!!! I guess the GLAMOR is off this job!!

Yea but you're from California! You guys are much more touchy feely.. More in touch with your inner self kind of thing. We here on the east coast are all way to high strung, not into the feng shui, if you know what I mean!! Got to love it! Thanks for making me laugh. And I am off to that Jacuzzi as we speak! God Bless you Bozito, I needed that!!

Diane,

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Isn't it a horrible feeling???? But you are right. I also think the government has asked the MSM to say nothing, and they are going along with it.

In fact, the only people who aren't concerned are the people who live in the U.K.

ReadyMom, I can relate to that for sure! LOL. Why must we feel like we have to hide the fact that we don't want to catch this? Rappers get more respect, and we are made to feel like we are nuts.....crazy world we live in.....

What a difference a day made. I am still not convinced. It appears to me this one article is bouncing all over the net and being reposted.  Obviously, if this were the real item, we would have about 50 people with it, with relatives, and no one could shut up that big of a story. It would leak somewhere.

Not only that, it would spread very quickly and with the hypersensitized public, they would panic. I still think it is bogus.

I just got this alert e-mail from...RSOE Havaria Emergency Information Service
Hungary, Budapest

Anybody have a thought on how long it takes to run these tests? I assume they would be given first priority. At least to to rule out certain things.

I wondered about the other people too. I feel sorry for them if they had to be in quarantine, but I hope they were. Because whether it is Ebola or not, whether the government asked the MSM not to release anything or not, the fact is that if this would've been Ebola, or anything else contagious (like BF H2H), this is what measures are taken. Like ReadyMom said above, this is England, not Indonesia. If this case is handled like this, what does that say for future (truly disastrous) scenarios?

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I think it is strange that is is not on TV news unless they still need to confirm? Unless they are trying to prevent a panick?

xx

Though I am totally straight (Sorry, my male hormones compel me to make that disclaimer.), I have had a lot of friends who were homosexual.  I have seen many of them die from AIDS. All were men that I worked with at the phone company or knew in the Navy [There were many of them in the Navy long before "Don't ask and don't tell."]

These guys were for the most part very talented, very artistic people and all were very intelligent. They all possessed a quality of kindness that is lacking in most straight males (because of male hormone problems?)

At any rate, it was painful to lose them as friends and fellow human beings. My condolences to anybody who has lost a loved one to that horrible disease called AIDS.

Back about 1981, I was single and had a girlfriend (name of Shelley - after the poet/writer) who was a nurse in an oncology center (cancer treatment facility).  She kept on telling me of all the young handsome men who were coming in with Carposi's Sarcoma and soon dying.  They had never seen anything like it. Everybody was baffled according to what she told me. It was the beginning of the AIDS epidemic, but nobody knew what was going on.

A few months later, I met (and was swept off my feet) and married the woman who has been my wife and close friend for the past quarter of a century.  I lost track of Shelley and have often wondered about her. By 1983 she was no longer in the phone directory and I have often wondered if she became a victim of AIDS or if she, too, met the right person and changed her last name.