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janetn
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Posted: February 06 2006 at 10:20pm |
We have all gotten used to certain meds such as Tylenol, and Im afraid we have lost some of our fear/respect. tylenol is very toxic to the liver NO MORE than 4 grams [4,000 mg] should be given in a 24 hr period to an adult. Now here the rub lots over OTC meds have tylenol [acetimediphen] in them. So combining meds could cause toxicidy. Some meds cannot be given with Rx meds. Good idea to get a drug reference book! You can find used ones on EBAY or at Amazom. Dont need a PDR they are not user friendly IMO. There are ones out there that are designed for nurses they give good info and are not hard to use. Good prep item to have |
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Thanks for reminding us about Tylenol toxicity. It's an issue many aren't aware of or forget to account for.
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"tylenol is very toxic to the liver NO MORE than 4 grams (4,000 mg) " ----------- Also avoid drinking any alcohol if you need to take Tylenol. Edited by Rick |
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Another important reminder: NEVER GIVE ASPIRIN TO ANYONE UNDER 18 with a suspected viral infection. There is a risk of Reyes Syndrome developing, and it can be fatal.
Although adults are at a slight risk for Reyes, those under 18 are particularly vulnerable. |
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Sunset
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how is it, that millons of us were raised on aspirin and never got or heard of reyes, and even raised our kids on aspirin and now reyes is the biggie, what do you give a 5 year old that has a high temp and there are no doctors around????????????? an answer please....sunset
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jackson
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You can give your child Tylenol
or Children's Motrin. (both are safe when used properly)
Reye's syndrome is a rare disease but can be deadly. Don't take chances by giving children aspirin when there are other safe alternatives available that are very effective. Edited by jackson |
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Sunset
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jackson......if tylenol is very bad for adults liver.........what does is do for our little ones and there liver??????? sunset just try ing to fine something safe to give the little ones when thery get sick and not from the bf........... |
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jackson
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Sunset,
Tylenol is NOT bad for an adult's liver IF it is taken properly. Just make sure to follow the dosing guidelines and instructions. There are Children's Motrin and Children's Tylenol available, and these medications are often recommended by pediatricians to reduce a child's fever. Aspirin CAN cause Reye's Syndrome, and even though it is rare, it may be deadly. Edited by jackson |
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jackson
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I found this website that talks a little about Tylenol toxicity. The
website doesn't use a lot of medical terminology , so it is easy to
read and provides symptoms, risk factors, etc.
http://www.ecureme.com/emyhealth/data/Acetominophen_Overdose .asp Here's what I could find about Motrin: Overdosage Information for all Infants', Children's & Junior Strength Motrin® ProductsIBUPROFEN: The toxicity of ibuprofen overdose is dependent upon the amount of drug ingested and the time elapsed since ingestion, though individual response may vary, which makes it necessary to evaluate each case individually. Although uncommon, serious toxicity and death have been reported in the medical literature with ibuprofen overdosage. The most frequently reported symptoms of ibuprofen overdose include abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, lethargy and drowsiness. Other central nervous system symptoms include headache, tinnitus, CNS depression and seizures. Metabolic acidosis, coma, acute renal failure and apnea (primarily in very young children) may rarely occur. Cardiovascular toxicity, including hypotension, bradycardia, tachycardia and atrial fibrillation, also have been reported. The treatment of acute ibuprofen overdose is primarily supportive. Management of hypotension, acidosis and gastrointestinal bleeding may be necessary. In cases of acute overdose, the stomach should be emptied through ipecac-induced emesis or lavage. Emesis is most effective if initiated within 30 minutes of ingestion. Orally administered activated charcoal may help in reducing the absorption and reabsorption of ibuprofen. In children, the estimated amount of ibuprofen ingested per body weight may be helpful to predict the potential for development of toxicity although each case must be evaluated. Ingestion of less than 100 mg/kg is unlikely to produce toxicity. Children ingesting 100 to 200 mg/kg may be managed with induced emesis and a minimal observation time of four hours. Children ingesting 200 to 400 mg/kg of ibuprofen should have immediate gastric emptying and at least four hours observation in a health care facility. Children ingesting greater than 400 mg/kg require immediate medical referral, careful observation and appropriate supportive therapy. Ipecac-induced emesis is not recommended in overdoses greater than 400 mg/kg because of the risk of convulsions and the potential for aspiration of gastric contents. In adult patients the history of the dose reportedly ingested does
not appear to be predictive of toxicity. The need for referral and
follow-up must be judged by the circumstances at the time of the
overdose ingestion. Symptomatic adults should be admitted to a health
care facility for observation.
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Sunset
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Thank You, sunset
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jackson
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I'm glad I could help. I completely understand how you feel about wanting to keep you kids safe.
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cisco
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found this pertaining to information on reyes syndrome http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/reyes_syndrome/reyes_synd rome.htm NINDS Reye's Syndrome Information Page Table of Contents (click to jump to sections) What is Reye's Syndrome? Is there any treatment? What is the prognosis? What research is being done? |
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let's hang tight, tough, and together!
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Table salt: 1 lb Table sugar: 10 lbs Baking soda: 6 oz Tums Ex: 500 tablets Acetaminophen 500mg #100 tablets
Ibuprofen 200mg # 100 tablets Caffeinated tea, dry loose: 1 lb Electronic thermometer Automatic blood pressure monitor Notebook for recording vital signs and fluid intake and output Kitchen measuring cup with 500 cc (two cup) capacity Diphenhydramine (Benadryl) 25mg capsules # 60: 1 tablet every 4 hours as needed for nasal congestion, allergy, or itching. Source: Flu Manual As a note: There is a pricy at home testing kit available from BD Directigen™ EZ Flu A+B that Detects the avian influenza (H5N1) virus: isolates and the A/California/07/2004 strain, (this is nice to have, but most likely you will know that you have the flu; expensive) Phone: 800.675.0908
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Great tips! I would add: Also children with the flu virus should be checked often for thyroid malfunctions. As a note you may: cool yourself down with cool towels. and Do not take Iron or Astragalus when a FEVER is present! |
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Alternating drugs best for lowering fever in kidsSwitching between Tylenol and Advil works better than either alonehttp://msnbc.msn.com/id/11391299/ Edited by jackson |
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If you feel you need to have some latex gloves, make sure you are not allergic to latex, or if you are, get the ones made of non-latex material. |
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I JUST HAVE A FEW COMMENTS ON THIS TOPIC, I HAVE 3 LITTLE ONES AND BEEN THROUGH QUITE A FEW FEVERS. ALSO AM AN ER NURSE SO ALL FRIENDS AND FAMILY TREAT ME AS "THE ONE TO CALL WITH QUESTIONS" WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS FUN! ANYWAY I WOULD LIKE TO FIRST POINT OUT IN ANY SITUATION WE NEED TO ASSESS THE SITUATION FIRST. KIDS WITH FEVERS,NOT NECASSARILY (SP?) A BAD THING. THERE IS ALOT OF RESEARCH AT THIS TIME TRYING TO PREDICT THE BEST WAY TO DETERMINE THE ACTUAL TEMPERATURE. IF YOU HAVE AN ORAL THERMOMETER ALWAYS BE AWARE OF FOOD AND DRINK IF A PERSON HAS JUST DRANK OR EATEN SOMETHING WARM YOU ARE GOING TO GET A "FALSE FEVER" OR AN INACCURATE ONE AT THE LEAST. SAME WITH ANYTHING COLD. SO GIVE THE MOUTH AMPLE TIME TO REGAIN IT'S ORIGINAL TEMP. USUALLY ABOUT 10-15 MIN WITH OUT ANY FOOD OR DRINK AND YOU ARE GOOD TO GO. LETS SAY THE READING COMES BACK ABOVE NORMAL AND WE HAVE A FEVER. NOW YOU ASSESS , HOW IS THE PERSON OR CHILD ACTING NORMAL OR ABNORMAL , ARE THEY LETHARGIC OR GOING ABOUT THINGS FINE. THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT WHEN WE ARE DETERMINING WETHER TO MEDICATE. #1 - FOR EVERY DEGREE THE TEMPERATURE GOES UP THE LEUKOCYTES(WHITE BLOOD CELLS) TRAVEL TO THE INFECTION SITE 1,000 X'S FASTER, THIS IS CALLED LEUKOCYTOSIS . WHEN WE GIVE MEDS TO BRING THE FEVER DOWN THIS INNATE ABILITY IS HALTED. SO BASICALLY IF YOUR CHILD IS HANDELING THE FEVER OK WATCH THEM CLOSELY, GIVE THEM PLENTY OF FLUIDS BECAUSE FEVERS DEHYDRATE US, REST AND MONITOR THE TEMP. MY PEDIATRICIAN AND I BOTH AGREE WITH THIS AND I'VE ALWAYS DONE IT WITH MY KIDS AND I'M TELLIN YA THEY DON'T STAY SICK FOR LONG AT ALL COMPARED TO THE OTHER KIDS THAT ARE HAVING THE SAME CLINICAL S/S. I KNOW THIS BECAUSE THEY R IN DAYCARE SO WHEN ONE HAS IT THEY ALL GET IT. WHEN YOU FEEL IT IS TIME OR NEEDED TO BRING THAT BABY DOWN. IF THE CHILD IS VISIBLY MISERABLE, LETHARGIC(SIGN OF SEVERE DEHYDRATION IN KIDS) AND JUST NOT "ACTING RIGHT" THAT'S THE KEY. IN THE ER WE ALWAYS ASK WHEN THE LAST DOSE OF TYL OR IBU WAS GIVEN 4HRS FOR TYL AND 6-8 WITH IBU. IF IT HAS BEEN ATLEAST 6 HRS, OR IF YOU ARE GIVING YOUR INITIAL DOSE YOU CAN AND SHOULD GIVE THE APPROPRIATE DOSES OF EA TYL AND IBU TOGETHER, AND FROM THERE ROTATE AS NEEDED, JUST REMEMBER IT'S A ROTATION THE ONLY TIME THEY CAN BE GIVEN TOGETHER IS IF THE 6HR TIME PERIOD HAS ELAPSED SINCE CHILD HAS HAD EITHER MEDICINE OR IF YOU ARE GIVING THE INITIAL DOSE. EXAMPLE: IF YOU GIVE THE INITIAL COMBINATION DOSE @ 10:00 A.M. YOU CAN GIVE TYLENOL ONLY AGAIN @ 2P.M. AND THE IBUPROFEN @4P.M. AND YOU JUST KEEP ROTATING AS NEEDED! I HAVE LOT'S MORE ON THIS SUBJECT BUT I THINK THAT'S ENOUGH. IT'S JUST A PET PEAVE OF MINE, WHEN WE GIVE TYLENOL FOR 99.9 OR 100 IT IS JUST CRAZY TO ME SO I TRY TO EDUCATE PEOPLE THE BEST I CAN! HOPE IT HELPS! |
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SORRY JUST HAD TO ADD ONE MORE THING. A LOT OF PARENTS ARE TERRIFIED OF THE FEBRILE SEIZURES, SO THEY MIGHT THINK WHY WOULD I LET MY CHILD HAVE A FEVER AND BE AT RISK OF A SEIZURE. MOST PEOPLE THINK THAT THE HIGHER THE FEVER THE MORE LIKELY A FEBRILE SEIZURE WILL OCCUR, BUT THAT IS NOT HOW IT WORKS. FEBRILE SEIZURES OCCUR WHEN THE BODY TEMP RISES AT AN EXTREMELY HIGH RATE , THE HYPOTHALAMUS REGULATES TEMPERATURE AND WHEN WE ARE SICK IT'S THE BODY'S DEFENSE MECH TO RAISE THE BODY TEMP TO ATTEMP TO KILL PATHOGENS. THE TEMP RISES AT A RATE REGULATED BY THE HYPTHALAMUS AND OUR BODY ADJUSTS IN A NUMBER OF WAYS. WITH FEBRILE SEIZURES THE HYPOTHALUMUS GOES KIND OF HAYWIRE THE TEMP SPIKES TOO QUICKLY AND A SEIZURE CAN RESULT. ALSO KEEP IN MIND FEBRILE SEIZURES ARE MOSTLY A HEREDITARY TYPE OF GLITCH IN THE SYSTEM KIND OF THING! OK I'M DONE~ |
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