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    Posted: November 15 2022 at 1:26pm

Any updates on the missile impact in Poland?


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Russia claims the missile was a 

The top left and right photos show fragments that lead to a clear conclusion that the fragment in Poland belongs to the 48D6 motor of the 5V55-series missile of the S-300 AD system- a Ukrainian one.

The missile impacts in Poland came from Ukrainian air-defense missiles; NOT Russian.

source [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/missile-strikes-on-kiev-and-kharkov-major-electric-troubles-ukraine-vsu-hq-hit[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/missile-strikes-on-kiev-and-kharkov-major-electric-troubles-ukraine-vsu-hq-hit 

as far as I know NATO/Poland did not give info on what missile it would have been. 

UPDATE 5:16 PM EST --

NATO ambassadors to meet on Wednesday (tomorrow) at the request of Poland on basis of alliance's Article 4, two European diplomats say.

(Article Four is when any NATO member requests "consultations" with the other NATO members over a situation . . . . it is **NOT** Article 5 which is "Collective Self Defense.")   According to official NATO documents, Article 4 means that "the parties shall consult together" if it is determined that their "territorial integrity, political independence or security" is threatened."    This is the 8th time article 4 has been invoked since 1949.

(also HT)

UPDATE 4:52 PM EST --

Russia's Ministry of Defense has claimed that reports of two Russian missiles landing in Poland and killing two people are a "deliberate provocation".

The Ministry added: "No strikes were made against targets near the Ukrainian-Polish state border by Russian weapons" despite multiple recorded instances of Russian air strikes hitting Lviv, a Ukrainian city about 62 miles south of Przewodów and only 50 miles from the Ukrainian border, just hours earlier today.

The statement concluded: "The fragments published in hot pursuit by the Polish media from the scene in the village of Przewoduv have nothing to do with Russian weapons".

(also HT)

DJ-What would Russian missiles be targeting that close to the Polish border on the start of the G20 in Bali ? I notice Polish government may not be willing to jump to conclusions...

The Polish damage does not look like a military target-so "Poland/NATO" may go for "accident" -still try to blame Russia...

DJ-My view-US and Russia may be in talks on de-escalation....Both the Ukraine war-winter will help Russia as the "international relations" are NOT going the way the US wants them...(Saudi Arabia, India working with Russia....even Argentina, Mexico, Egypt thinking of joining BRICS. Non western picture is the Ukraine war is the outcome of NATO moving east...).

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DJ-Hal Turner is a US site, so is [url]https://community.defconwarningsystem.com/threads/russia%F0%9F%87%B7%F0%9F%87%BA-poland%F0%9F%87%B5%F0%9F%87%B1-reports.17571/page-4[/url] or https://community.defconwarningsystem.com/threads/russia%F0%9F%87%B7%F0%9F%87%BA-poland%F0%9F%87%B5%F0%9F%87%B1-reports.17571/page-4 

Sources told RADIO ZET journalist that what fell near Hrubieszów in eastern Poland today were likely the remains of a Russian missile, that was shot down by the Ukrainian air defenses.
Polish media reported that two people died Tuesday afternoon after a projectile struck an area where grain was drying in Przewodów, a Polish village near the border with Ukraine.

It's unclear where the projectiles came from.

Nothing as to what fell has been confirmed ........yet

and

Reuters reporting

POLISH PRESIDENT DUDA SAYS WE HAVE NO DEFINITE EVIDENCE OF WHO FIRED ROCKET THAT FELL ON VILLAGE -rtrs

DJ...the S300 may go back to the "Soviet Union"times..."so "Russian made" before 1991....

Reports are coming in that the US says that missile striking Poland was an anti-air missile fired by Ukraine.


abcnews.go.com

US officials: Initial findings suggest missile that hit Poland was fired by Ukrainian forces at incoming Russian missile

US officials: Initial findings suggest missile that hit Poland was fired by Ukrainian forces at incoming Russian missile
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com

DJ...so the HT and DEFCON stories may point to a same conclusion....Poland may have been hit by Ukraine air defense-by mistake....

On US-Russian talks [url]https://southfront.org/awaiting-for-peace-negotiations-in-ukraine/[/url] or https://southfront.org/awaiting-for-peace-negotiations-in-ukraine/ ..lots of indirect diplomacy as well via Türkiye, Saudi...no doubt Netanyahu-Israel will try to play a role...

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Maybe as a reminder [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17 Some initial reports, still the Russian claim is Ukraine shot down (by accident) the civilian plane...Another question is why that plane was flying over a battle zone...

Both Russia and Ukraine used (Soviet era) BUK air defense...only the Ukraine BUK's were a bit older-had other shrapnel...

Like in most wars truth is a first victim...(my view is Ukraine had no military aircraft at that altitude posing a risk for pro-Russian forces. Seperatists did-very likely-not even have the complex BUK airdefense...so the western story/claim switched (a.o. based on Ukraine "intel"...) "Russia did it"...without answering why..

[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655 air defense missiles can do a lot of unintended damage over a long distance (40 miles/60 kilometers). [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_International_Airlines_Flight_752[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_International_Airlines_Flight_752 same story...

So-the Polish story may still get twisted for propaganda...A major idea has to be the distance between the Polish border town being hit and the nearest position Russia would have...Russia does have long range missiles-but do they look like what has been found in Poland ? Does that miss a target that much ? 

Could it have been a (pro)Russian warning against Poland/NATO "back off" ? Could it have been an Ukraine try to get NATO in even more ? 

So-even as for now the idea it was an Ukraine S300 missile-if NATO switches its agenda-the story still may switch as well...

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[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/futures-tumble-after-report-stray-rockets-hit-polish-town-near-ukraine-killing-two[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/futures-tumble-after-report-stray-rockets-hit-polish-town-near-ukraine-killing-two ;

Update (0017ET): The missile that struck Poland may have been fired by Ukrainian forces at an incoming Russian missileAP reports, citing three unidentified US officials.

[K]ey questions around the circumstances of the missile launch remained amid the confusion caused by a blistering series of Russian airstrikes across the nearby border in Ukraine, none larger than who fired it. Russia denied any involvement in the Poland blast.

Three U.S. officials said preliminary assessments suggested the missile was fired by Ukrainian forces at an incoming Russian one amid the crushing salvo against Ukraine’s electrical infrastructure Tuesday. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the matter publicly. -AP

The Associated Press also points out that the above assessment, in addition to President Biden's comments that it was "unlikely" the missile was fired from Russia, contradicts information earlier Tuesday from a senior US intelligence official who told AP "that Russian missiles crossed into Poland."


DJ...western/Polish/Ukraine claims "Russian missile(s) hitting Poland" to start with does do damage-again-western credibility...Why make such alarming claims to start with ? "The world is watching" and now-again-learning western initial claims were wrong !!!!

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[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/11/another-ukrainian-missile-stunt.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/11/another-ukrainian-missile-stunt.html ;

A factual assessment:

OSINTtechnical @Osinttechnical - 19:41 UTC · Nov 15, 2022

The missile(s) that impacted Polish territory near the Ukrainian border very much looks like a 5V55K from the S-300.

The 5V55K is an old missile (1978/82) for the S-300 air defense system that the Ukraine is using against Russian cruise missiles. Its nominal range in air defense mode is 75 kilometer. If it fails to hit its target the debris is likely to fall at somewhat around that range. Przewodow in Poland (50.47099 lat, 23.93432 lon) where the missile landed, is some 70 kilometer northward of Lviv in Ukraine.

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But World War III mongers don't care about facts:

Dmytro Kuleba @DmytroKuleba - 21:35 UTC · Nov 15, 2022
Ukraine government official

Russia now promotes a conspiracy theory that it was allegedly a missile of Ukrainian air defense that fell on the Polish theory. Which is not true. No one should buy Russian propaganda or amplify its messages. This lesson should have been long learnt since the downing of #MH17.

"Russia promotes a conspiracy theory ..."

Biden: 'Unlikely' missile that hit Poland fired from RussiaAP - 23:44 UTC  Nov 15, 2022 

NUSA DUA, Indonesia (AP) — President Joe Biden said Wednesday it was “unlikely” that a missile that killed two in NATO-ally Poland was fired from Russia, but he pledged support for Poland's investigation into what it had called a “Russian-made” missile.

It is good that no one of importance fell for this stunt.

UK media though ...

DJ still go for "Russian bombs hit Poland", "Tyrants war on Ukraine"....comments;

Dmytro Kuleba @DmytroKuleba - 21:35 UTC · Nov 15, 2022 Ukraine government official
Russia now promotes a conspiracy theory that it was allegedly a missile of Ukrainian air defense that fell on the Polish theory. Which is not true. No one should buy Russian propaganda or amplify its messages. This lesson should have been long learnt since the downing of #MH17.

MH17 was a first Anglo-Ukraine fake false flag rocket, they have experience. Xi Jinping must be laughing his *ss off about his potential world rivals beating each other up. The neocons have proven to be cons to the core.

Posted by: Antonym | Nov 16 2022 8:39 utc | 1

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Earlier AP had reported that an american intel official, said that it was a russian missile.

Hours later, AP had to walk back.

This has to be one the worst humilliations for the MSM.

Even to report false flags, at least they could show some professionalism....


Posted by: Hugo | Nov 16 2022 8:40 utc | 2

DJ [url]https://thesaker.is/russia-india-china-iran-the-quad-that-really-matters/[/url] or https://thesaker.is/russia-india-china-iran-the-quad-that-really-matters/ 

Samarkand also reaffirmed the strategic political partnership between Russia and India (Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi called it an unbreakable friendship).

That was corroborated by the meeting between Lavrov and his Indian counterpart Subrahmanyam Jaishankar last week in Moscow.

Lavrov praised the strategic partnership in every crucial area – politics, trade and economics, investment, and technology, as well as “closely coordinated actions” at the UN Security Council, BRICS, SCO and the G20.

On BRICS, crucially, Lavrov confirmed that “over a dozen countries” are lining up for membership, including Iran: “We expect the work on coordinating the criteria and principles that should underlie BRICS expansion to not take much time”.

But first, the five members need to analyze the ground-breaking repercussions of an expanded BRICS+.

Once again: contrast. What is the EU’s “response” to these developments? Coming up with yet another sanctions package against Iran, targeting officials and entities “connected with security affairs” as well as companies, for their alleged “violence and repressions”.

“Diplomacy”, collective West-style, barely registers as bullying.

Back to the real economy – as in the gas front – the national interests of Russia, Iran and Turkiye are increasingly intertwined; and that is bound to influence developments in Syria, Iraq, and Libya, and will be a key factor to facilitate Erdogan’s re-election next year.

As it stands, Riyadh for all practical purposes has performed a stunning 180-degree maneuver against Washington via OPEC+. That may signify, even in a twisted way, the onset of a process of unification of Arab interests, guided by Moscow.

Stranger things have happened in modern history. Now appears to be the time for the Arab world to be finally ready to join the Quad that really matters: Russia, India, China, and Iran.

so "the west" has "some problems"...

Maybe as a reminder; Erdogan-Türkiye, Lula-Brazil, Khan-Pakistan a.o. blame the US for coups...Netanyahu may have his ideas on US role in Israel elections-and Netanyahu close contact with Putin...The outcome of the Afghan war -with NATO fleeing from Kabul-must have shocked most countries....

Even Japan is now -again-buying Russian oil....Most of the world see NATO expansionism as reason for the Ukraine war...the "west" is getting more and more isolated....

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[url]https://southfront.org/kiev-regime-missiles-hitting-poland-incompetence-or-false-flag/[/url] or https://southfront.org/kiev-regime-missiles-hitting-poland-incompetence-or-false-flag/ ;

And indeed, the location of the incident is nowhere near the engagement range of the system which can fire the missile. Preliminary reports and the footage acquired by various sources indicate that it was most likely fired from an older iteration of the Soviet-era S-300 SAM system. The Kiev regime forces operate several versions, but the vast majority belong to the S-300P/PS/PT series. The missile in question was most likely 5V55K, with a maximum engagement range of approximately 45 km. Modernized versions of the post-Soviet era were never deployed in Ukraine, while the closest Russian air defense units are at least 150-200 km away, in Belarus, and operate much more advanced systems such as the S-400.

In addition, it makes no sense for the Russian forces to fire a surface-to-air missile at a time when their long-range missiles are targeting Kiev regime’s strategic assets.

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And yet, the Kiev regime is adamant that anyone claiming this wasn’t fired by Russian forces is a “conspiracy theorist”, which obviously also includes the presidents of the US and Poland. “Hitting NATO territory with missiles… This is a Russian missile attack on collective security! This is a really significant escalation. Action is needed,” Zelensky was fuming during his Tuesday night video address. He claimed that it’s “only a matter of time before Russian terror goes further.” At best, the claims are indicative of the futile attempts to justify the Kiev regime’s incompetence. At worst, they imply that the Neo-Nazi junta is desperate to get NATO directly involved in the crisis.

The same could be true for certain Polish military and government services, as the implications that the much-touted “Patriot” batteries stationed along the border failed to intercept the incoming missiles mean that this either calls into question the system’s capabilities or indicates complicity.

In any case, regardless if the incident was accidental or a possible false flag aimed at escalating the conflict, the perpetrators are quite obviously unaware of the potentially cataclysmic consequences of their actions. Whatever interest they may have in seeing World War Three happen will fade into oblivion the moment strategic thermonuclear weapons start flying.

DJ...why did Polish airdefense not see the missile coming ? At what target Ukraine fired the S-300 45 km range air defense missile when The Ministry added: "No strikes were made against targets near the Ukrainian-Polish state border by Russian weapons" despite multiple recorded instances of Russian air strikes hitting Lviv, a Ukrainian city about 62 miles south of Przewodów and only 50 miles from the Ukrainian border, just hours earlier today.
The statement concluded: "The fragments published in hot pursuit by the Polish media from the scene in the village of Przewoduv have nothing to do with Russian weapons".

so Lviv was the most near target-62 miles=as good as 100 km away....Did Ukraine-on purpose-fire a (or two ?) S-300 at the Polish border to blame Russia ? 

DJ-In the MH-17 story some claim Ukraine-on purpose-shot down the civilian airliner-to blame Russia...with western cooperation-going full propaganda on "bad Russians"....

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kyiv-demands-access-poland-blast-site-doubles-down-russian-attack-narrative[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kyiv-demands-access-poland-blast-site-doubles-down-russian-attack-narrative ;

Despite the US, Poland, and NATO's Secretary General all having at this point admitted that Tuesday's deadly Polish border incident was not due to a Russian attack, but instead was "likely caused by a Ukrainian air defense missile" - according to Jens Stoltenberg's own words, on Wednesday the Ukrainian government is still clinging to its accusations that Russia attacked a NATO ally.

Doubling down on the claims, Kyiv is now requesting immediate access to the site of the blast in the Polish village of Przewodów, in order to conduct its own investigation. And yet it sounds like Ukrainian officials are already 'certain' in their conclusions. "Ukraine requests immediate access to the site of the explosion," Secretary of Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council, Oleksiy Danilov, said on Twitter.


DJ...will the west "based on ukraine info' (again) "twist reality...They blamed Russia for shelling a nuclear powerplant under Russian control earlier....no limits to nonsense

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Via military summary (MS) [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLKrImTOkDM[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLKrImTOkDM a link to [url]https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/16-november-belarusian-border-guards-report-shooting-down[/url] or https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/16-november-belarusian-border-guards-report-shooting-down ;

Belarusian border guards report shooting down Ukrainian drone at the border with automatic rifle

DJ...you will not use a S300 against a small drone....MS is very clear about Ukraine-they lie....There is no possible other explanation for the S300 crashing in Poland. Question is what Russian target Ukraine would have been targeting...since the S300 only has a very limited range-known Russian targets were out of reach-as far as I understand.....

[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/poland-nato-agree-deadly-poland-border-russian-attack-was-errant-ukrainian-missile[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/poland-nato-agree-deadly-poland-border-russian-attack-was-errant-ukrainian-missile ;

Update(1605ET)The Associated Press has issued an official correction for its not-so-inconsequential bit of reporting Tuesday that could have easily set off a chain of events leading to a WWIII scenario. 

"The Associated Press reported erroneously, based on information from a senior American intelligence official who spoke on condition of anonymity" ...and we the know rest which unleashed a day of incessant warmongering based on the allegation that Russia attacked a NATO member. The incredibly embarrassing correction further states, "Subsequent reporting showed that the missiles were Russian-made and most likely fired by Ukraine in defense against a Russian attack."


DJ...maybe main street "free press" should stop quoting senior American intelligence official who spoke on condition of anonymity  .....They did become a propaganda tool this way....

Another remark-if that "info" also ends up behind paywalls-how is "democrazy" functioning...info behind paywalls for the rich....

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[url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/polish-politician-blasts-ukraine-missile-provocation[/url] or https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/polish-politician-blasts-ukraine-missile-provocation ;

Immediately after news broke of the incident, President Zelensky called on NATO to take action against Russia, accusing Moscow of firing the rocket.

However, within hours it became clear that the accident, which killed two people, was actually caused by a Ukrainian air defense missile.

That didn’t stop British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, NATO and other prominent officials blaming Russia for the incident anyway, despite it clearly being Kiev’s fault.

Now the former chairman of the city council of Lublin, the seat of the region where Przewodow is located, is calling for Poland to rethink its approach to the war in light of the incident.

Having up until now been a staunch supporter of Ukraine, Jaroslaw Pakula said the missile accident showed Warsaw needed to send a blunt message to Kiev rather than telling its own citizens “fairy tales.”

“Of course, this is a Ukrainian rocket. Of course, this is a provocation on the part of the Ukrainian authorities,” Pakula posted on his Facebook page.

“The rocket could not be fired 100km in the opposite direction by mistake,” he added, asserting that the incident was an attempt to scare the EU into sending more money to Ukraine.

Demanding that Warsaw should “no longer put up with this behavior” from Ukraine, Pakula remarked, “I urge you to rethink Poland’s position [regarding] this war in the event that the red line is crossed again!”

Despite all evidence indicating the missile was fired by Ukraine, Zelensky has doubled down, denying that Kiev was involved and asking for his country to be at the forefront of an investigation.


related [url]https://nltimes.nl/2022/11/17/three-convicted-sentenced-life-prison-downing-flight-mh17-one-acquitted[/url] or https://nltimes.nl/2022/11/17/three-convicted-sentenced-life-prison-downing-flight-mh17-one-acquitted

The court presiding over the criminal case regarding the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 convicted defendants Igor Girkin, Sergey Dubinskiy, and Leonid Chartchenko, and sentenced all three of them to life imprisonment. It acquitted the fourth suspect, Oleg Pulatov. The 56-year-old was the only one of the four to be represented in court, while the three others were convicted in absentia.

The court ruled that the three did not seem intent on shooting down a passenger plane, but said that the act itself was criminal. Neither Girkin nor Dubinskiy, both Russian, are expected to serve any prison time as Russia does not typically extradite its own citizens. Chartchenko's fate is more uncertain, as he is Ukrainian. The three were also ordered to pay over 16 million euros in compensation to the victims' next of kin.

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Years of international cooperation brought the Public Prosecution Service (OM) to the conclusion that the plane was shot down with a BUK missile fired from an agricultural field that was under the control of pro-Russian separatists at the time. Investigators managed to track the missile system from the Russian border to the field and back. In June 2019, the OM announced its intention to prosecute these first four suspects for their involvement in downing MH17: rebel leader Girkin, his right-hand man Dubinskiy, his Oleg Pulatov, and garrison commander Chartchenko.

In its verdict, the District Court of The Hague said it the three men who were convicted played a clear role in either the deployment of the Russian-made Buk missile that brought the plane down, or its removal from the field in eastern Ukraine where it was utilized. As the person in charge of the military in the breakaway state of the Donetsk People's Republic, Girkin had ultimate responsibility for the act of using a sophisticated weapon to bring down a passenger jet, even if the plane may have been mistaken for a military target.

DJ...Ukraine played a (major) role in the "investigation"...while there are lots of claims/proof it was an Ukraine-older-BUK missile bringing down the MH17 flight. The US witheld radar images, Russia was excluded from the investigation...even Malaysia was not welcome....

DJ-I do not think the "seperatists" were allowed to have such complex air defense system by Russia in 2014. So either Russia or Ukraine shot down that plane...

Claims are a Saudi AWACS was over the Black Sea guiding the Ukraine missile against the MH17-the plan was to blame Russia....Since both Saudi Arabia and Türkiye have switched sides-both muslim countries-maybe a Malaysian proces will bring more realism-less propaganda and lies.....

By excluding Russia-giving the Ukraine secret service such a major role in many ways this looks like a show trial.

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DJ-It looks like Ukraine sticks to the claim the S-300 was NOT from Ukraine...[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/11/ukraine-open-thread-2022-201.html[/url] or https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/11/ukraine-open-thread-2022-201.html;

Zelensky's lies about the Ukrainian missile strike in Poland have damaged his credibility.

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We can hope that the media will now be more careful when they report of all the other lies Zelensky and his team are uttering on a daily base.

DJ [url]https://original.antiwar.com/shusseini/2022/11/17/why-is-ap-still-protecting-the-source-behind-its-false-russia-bombed-poland-story/[/url] or https://original.antiwar.com/shusseini/2022/11/17/why-is-ap-still-protecting-the-source-behind-its-false-russia-bombed-poland-story/ ???

Russia is claiming it was a false flag action-by Ukraine (and NATO ? Poland?) to "get NATO more involved" (DJ-Polish and Romanian "volunteers" -by the thousends ? -allready fighting on Kiev-side. Also Georgia-not (yet) NATO has many "volunteers" -in organized form-(so there may be Polish, Romanian, Georgian bataljons...). 

DJ-Ukraine may need radar images-(NATO must have at least most of the info...)-what target the Ukraine S300 was meant to hit...as far as I did see the info that is still open...(leaving as the only option-Ukraine used an S300 against Poland hoping the west would blame Russia...). 

Comments on why Ukraine sticks to a story even "the west" no longer is willing to accept;

-It WAS a false flag-if Kiev admits it is its S300 it also has to explain WHY it was used/ended up in Poland...far away from any known Russian target...

-Ukraine did get away with so many false claims-it may be shocked the west does not accept this lie...

-Ukraine realy believes it is not an Ukraine S300---does it control its own forces then ? 

DJ-The Polish border farm that was hit simply is out of reach for any other S300 then Ukraine S300's...(and YES-like BUK, S300 are Soviet/Russian "made"....decades old...). 

[url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/covert-intel-nuclear-cruise-missile-shot-down-over-kiev-this-morning[/url] or https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/covert-intel-nuclear-cruise-missile-shot-down-over-kiev-this-morning ;

Simply put, Kh-55 and Kh-555 use basically the same rocket, but with a different payload. However, it is simply impossible for this to be an accident; the X-55 cruise missile itself would have had to be pulled from Russia's separate and segregated nuclear storage.  They don't have these missiles just laying around everywhere so someone could grab one by mistake.

This is, perhaps, the single most frightening display of Russia's willingness to win, ever undertaken.  This incident changes everything for the US and for NATO because it makes clear the Russians will not back down, are not intimidated, and will not stop no matter what the US or NATO do.

Intel Circuits are blazing with the interpretation that this is a final warning to Kiev and to the US/EU/NATO

It was just a couple weeks ago that news outlets in the US and EU reported word from a senior US Intelligence official that there had been "worrisome developments with Russia's nuclear arsenal."   At the time, the official would not say what those developments were.   Now, we know.

DJ -if this HT story is correct-then Russia may "have had it" with NATO....no doubt backed by "the rest" getting ready for further confrontations with "the west"....

We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein
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