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    Posted: February 27 2011 at 10:07pm
Hello fellow AvianFluTalkers!
I read this article in the Nathional Geographic magazine and thought it might be interesting to see if folks here wanted to read it and share their concerns, thoughts, insights?
 
I can tell you the article has already had me trying to answer a lot of questions about what life will be like in the future when we have more people than mother earth can handle.  That being said....you can read the article and there should be loads of graphs showing how every part of the globe will be affected by this massive popluation increase.
As always be informed and be well Smile Tip

There will soon be seven billion people on the planet. By 2045 global population is projected to reach nine billion. Can the planet take the strain?

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CORRECTION! BY 2045 POPULATION PROJECTED TO BE NINE BILLION. Tip
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The simple fact of the matter is that the planet can not support more than about one Billion people (Max) without flora and fauna being destroyed.  Mankind has wiped out half of the planet's species, and we are still killing more every day.

For the species under attack and already gone, Man is a plague upon the Earth.

We need to do something about overpopulation.
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Hi Joe! Thanks for your imput!
I agree with your point about the planet not being able to sustain a massive population.  Here is the thing.  I wanted to get this article out there for folks to get the hint.
I also want to point out that mother nature has her own way of dealing with an unsustainable massive population.  One of the thoughts I had while reading this lengthly article and all the data was the disease factor.  Viruses like Bird Flu would be one of the top ones on my list probably because it's already manifested itself today.  Civilization is already very densily populated in alot of cities around the world.  I can not imagine 9 billion in 2045! 
So many things to worry about right?  Fresh water shortages, not enough natural resourses, food shortages, disease as i mentioned, economic hardships, massive CO2 releases.  It's all in the article folks. 
I don't know what the answers are Joe, I guess I can only say IMHO that our world is in for some frightening changes.  And we will most likely see them in our life time and for sure in our children's lifetime.   Wonder if the WHO or UN or other world body agency is going to address any of this.
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Old post, but still relevant. TipKat - I get to sounding like a broken record about this one. Firstly, I seriously doubt mankind's ability or willingness to control population growth, so it's inevitable that we'll keep reproducing at an unsustainable rate until the decision is made for us. We can't feed the world's population as it is, many people starving as we sit here debating the problem. Throw more hungry mouths into the mix, and it'll only get worse. As the demand for fresh water increases, that will become a problem, and many believe we could see water wars being fought by neighboring states as to who controls local resources. If climate change does indeed turn out to be a real threat, then the world's largest areas of food production - the so-called breadbaskets and rice bowls - will undoubtedly be affected, and the problem is further compounded. I dread to think what our children are facing in their lifetimes.
Incidentally, the UN's high estimate puts the population as high as 10 billion by about 2045.
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World's 7 billionth person to be born on Halloween?

Aug. 31, 2011 (5:33 am) By: Jennifer Bergen

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, there are 6,959,000,772 people in the world right now. That means we're very close to reaching the 7 billion mark, and according to The Hindu, that person will most likely be born in China or India - two countries with more than a billion people.

The birth date of the 7 billionth inhabitant of Earth, according to the United Nations population division, has been set for October 31. Yes, this lucky baby will be born on Halloween. Let's pray it’s not some sort of demon child. Also, the end of October is only 12 years since we crossed over the 6 billion person mark.

By the year 2050, the world's population is estimated to be 9.3 billion. That means that between now and 2050, the global population will add the same amount of people that populated the entire planet in 1950. By the year 2100, the Earth's population is estimated to be at 10.1 billion people.

India, which has a population of 1.2 billion, is set to take the lead as the world's most populous country from China at 1.3 billion. And although the number of people in China and India is massive, the U.N. is attributing this explosion in world population to the rapid growth in Africa which is happening faster than anyone had thought. The continent’s population could triple in the next 90 years.

The birth rate is apparently not declining as fast as expected in some poor countries. As for the U.S.’s population, it’s supposed to rise from 311 million to 478 million by 2100 largely due to high immigration and higher birth rates among Hispanic immigrants. But one of the most amazing growths will happen in Nigeria, which is currently Africa’s most populous country at 162 million people. By the year 2100, Nigeria is set to have a population of 730 million people.

Of course, this brings up questions of: Will there be enough food and water for 10 billion people? How will politics change with the increase and decrease of certain countries and continents’ populations? And should we be doing anything to try to stall the rise in population, like fertility programs across the world to help against unwanted pregnancies?

These are all topics of ongoing debates. However, what we do know is whoever turns out to be the 7 billionth person born on Earth should at least get some kind of commemorative plaque.

 
 
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Thanks for the input Jack, more mouths to feed and we will have a problem with having enough fresh water.  I think even here in the U.S. we will see fresh water going dry starting in the southwestern states.  Mahshadin thank you for the article very interesting.  All in all I think this sort of topic is not what people want to talk about.  Population control like Jack was saying above really can't be controlled.  I guess Mother nature will most likely have the final say.  Tip
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On another note., Alvin, Pen, anyone...is there a way to change the 7 to a 9 in my topic title? LOL....I really got that one wrong. 
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TipKat...you are near what I have said, Man is Doomed. We have way too many people on earth and something is going to give. Mother Nature will have the last say and man will be the loser.
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Hi FluMom, you know you gotta take time to think about the irony of things in this world.  Like for instance: We have problems some of them we humans adress some we don't.  Some of the ones we address we take action on some we don't.  Some of the problems grow into bigger problems untill...well it affects us all profoundly in some way, and then we might or might not act.
 
Look, we even have blogs where we post info on all kinds of stuff and no matter what what info we post, no matter who we enlighten, no matter how hard we shout, nothing will be done.  Damn such a waste of energy sometimes, arrrrrrrrrrgh.
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So true TipKat!
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Paul Ehrlich, a prophet of global population doom who is gloomier than ever

October 24th 2011  

 
The population of Earth has doubled since Paul Ehrlich first warned the world that there were too many humans. Three and a half billion people later, he is more pessimistic than ever, estimating there is only a 10% chance of avoiding a collapse of global civilisation.

“Among the knowledgeable people there is no more conversation about whether the danger is real,” Ehrlich told the Guardian. “Civilisations have collapsed before: the question is whether we can avoid the first time [an] entire global civilisation has given us the opportunity of having the whole mass collapse.”

The idea sounds melodramatic, but Ehrlich insists his vision only builds on famine, drought, poverty and conflict, which are already prevalent around the world, and would unfold over the “next few decades”. “What it would look like is getting to the situation where more and more people are living in uncertainty about their future, subject to all kinds of disease,” he said. “The really big discontinuity you can’t predict is even a small nuclear war between [say] India and Pakistan.

“Of course a new emerging disease or toxic problem could alone [also] trigger a collapse. My pessimism is deeply tied to the human failure to do anything about these problems, or even recognise or talk about them.”

Ehrlich has become the modern day equivalent of Malthus, the 18th-century English clergyman who popularised the idea that the number of people would eventually outstrip food production. Now Bing professor of population studies at Stanford University in California, Ehrlich reignited the issue in 1968 with his book The Population Bomb – co-written, without acknowledgment, with his wife, Anne Ehrlich – which has sold more than 2m copies.

Central to the argument of the book was the idea that Earth has a finite capacity to provide the resources needed to feed and protect a global population which was growing exponentially in numbers and its demands to consume. The book succeeded, slowly, in getting the issue of overpopulation into political and public consciousness, an idea now acknowledged by calculations of the “ecological footprint” of anything from nappies to nations.

The global population has since doubled and, although growth is slowing, is still on course to rise beyond the two billion maximum Ehrlich believes Earth can sustain without irrevocably destroying its water, earth and air.

“The next two billion people, should we get them, will put more and more pressure on environmental systems that are struggling today,” he said. “Each individual has to have food from more marginal land … materials from poorer ores, we’re going to use more oil so we have to drill deeper: we’re past the point of dimishing returns.

 
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Good find Mahshadin!  Not a perky one ;-) but good find. 
You know eventually something will give.  Either we survive it as one people on earth or sad to say a lot of us won't.  You think we could have thought about the future of human kind before TSHTF and somehow come together and prevented this great disturbing time.
So the question remains.  What will happen to an overpopulated earth?  A possible World War? More people starving because they can't put food on the table any more? Mass die off of folks due to disease?  Damn all scenarios are bleek and disturbing.  But something has to give, it's too late to change the way we humans have treated our earth with disrespect and arogance, this I am almost certain of.  We just don't have enough time or commitment from the world leaders and scientists to do anything.  But I tell you I always believe that faith, hope and human spirit, might return to those left to start all over again in a New World. 
Ok....enough of my philosophical reply.  Be well my friends. Tip
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Yes there arre many views
 
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Clearly some have radical versions of population control
 

 
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I firmly believe that our species is either too arrogant, too stupid, or a combination of the two to do anything about our unsustainable global population growth, and it will undoubtedly continue unabated until the decision is made for us. Water, food, energy - all are available to us in finite amounts, but most people continue with their day to day lives seemingly oblivious to the fact that at some point in the near future we will reach our upper limit on one or all of them, and it'll probably happen sooner than we think and with little warning (certainly not enough to come up with viable solutions after the fact). As far as I'm concerned, it's an unavoidable crisis in the making, and if we prep for nothing else, we should be getting ready for our children's sake, as they'll be the ones paying the price for the excesses of this and recent generations.
Massive overpopulation, and the resultant hardships we'll see in the coming decades with respect to our ability to provide a comfortable way of life for ourselves and our families, should be more than enough to spur us into prepping and educating our kids on how to fend for themselves and their children.
Sorry to sound so pessimistic, but I don't see us waking up to the importance of population control until we're forced to. Before anybody jumps to any conclusions, all I'm advocating (but to be honest, not really expecting) is a move to responsible parenting with - at the very least - zero population growth as a goal.
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Odd isn't it?  Everything seems to be hitting us all at once. 
What are the POSSIBLE major threats right now that we know of. 
A World Wide Economic collapse?
A super mutated and highly resistant avian flu virus?
The sun at a solar maximum for the next 2 years spewing out a heavy dose of X Flares? Israel hinting at a possible pre-emptive strike at Iran which would indeed involve most countries around the globe?
Food and water shortages around the world?
Fierce weather anamolies due in part to Global Warming?
Did I leave anything out? 
We are all on our guard.  We are all anxious and have good reason to be.  I don't wish for doom....I would rather just be prepared for it.  Whatever I can do to help my family, friends, neighbors if the time comes well....I will be ready.  That is all we can do.  Be informed, share news, ideas, opinions and help and support each other.  I don't know any of you personally, I have never met you....but I feel a connection.  I understand your concerns, share your distrust of most of our government and like you I seek answers to questions that bother me.  I know whatever lies out there waiting for us, won't be the END of US.  Let's just keep the faith and keep the lines of communication open here on AFT.  Albert if I never thanked you for having us on your site then I take the time to respectfully and sincerely say...Thank you sir. 
Be well my friends. Tip 
 
 
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Dang, many of us are feeling something bad is going to happen. Why is that?

I too thank Albert for all the friends I have made here.
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Originally posted by FluMom FluMom wrote:

Dang, many of us are feeling something bad is going to happen. Why is that?


I think it's because prepping for one thing - in our case, pandemic flu - opens your eyes to things that most people would rather ignore. It's like the TV commercials asking us to sponsor starving children abroad. Most people turn away or change channels. There are bad things waiting in the wings, but you have to make the necessary mental adjustment to be able to acknowledge their existence. I do believe there are things happening now that may be precursors to major life changing events, but if you're not a prepper it's just a whole lot easier to look the other way. That's why we'll always be in the minority, but I'm okay with that as I'll have good company :)
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   While I applaud China's recognizing the problem, as usual they're heavy handed and inhumane in the way they're tackling it. And therein lies the dilemma - how do we address the problem? Do we go down the same road as China and have forced abortions if you didn't get the paperwork submitted with the right bureaucratic stamps, or keep our fingers crossed and hope that everyone gets on board voluntarily (not going to happen)? I don't see a way out of this that will be mankind's doing - I still think Mother Nature will be making the decision for us.
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@Jacksdad, I'd put my money on multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle (MIRV), over Mother Nature thinning the herd!
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LOL. Could be what gets us in the end :)
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At least I am not the only one with this sense of foreboding!
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State-ordered sterilizations targeted at young girls and blacks, were done out without consent and consent.
www.datelinezero.com/2011/11/10/victims-speak-out-about-government-sterilization-program/
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