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Topic: "I Pledge to be a servant to Barack Obama"
Posted By: sjf53
Subject: "I Pledge to be a servant to Barack Obama"
Date Posted: September 02 2009 at 7:10pm
'I pledge my service to Barack Obama.'  Ashton Kucher
'I pledge to be a servant to our President.'  Demi Moore

Obama Youth – Obama to indoctrinate kids on Sep 8

OMG.....the audacity and ego of this man.  He is No JFK.

"Ask not what your country can do for you....But what can you do for your country". ~ JFK
 
With Obama it is.....Ask what your country can do for you and what you can do for Barack Obama.
 
Notice the "O" Obama Logo is everywhere.  What happen to the American Flag?  I pledge to Barack Obama? Never in my life has have I seen such manipulation. 
 
The gradual, subtle, manipulation and indoctrination of our children.  Obama did promise the transformation of America.  He did warn us what he was up to.  The premise of the address is good until you get to the real purpose........"the pledge".  Comment

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/02/i-pledge-to-be-of-service-to-barack-obama/ - http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/02/i-pledge-to-be-of-service-to-barack-obama/   See Obama Video Here of  Demi Moore and other Hollywooders pledge there service to Barack Obama.  Then asking the school children to pledge to be of service or do the same. This will be shown across the nation with Obama addressing  our children. K - 12.  September 8 - 12 Noon EST.  FACT

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/09/02/i-pledge-to-be-of-service-to-barack-obama/ - Michelle Malkin » “I pledge to be of service to Barack Obama” another article here.

'I pledge my service to Barack Obama.'  FACT
'I pledge to be a servant to our President.'  FACT

"Hmmm… I thought public servants were supposed to serve the public, not the other way around!" Comment

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Q: When was the last time school children were asked to pledge to a national leader?

Hint: It was in the first half of the 20th Century in Europe!

Give up?

Hitler Youth Pledge: “I promise to do my duty in love and loyalty to the Führer and our flag.”

The only difference between the Hitler Youth pledge and the above is that the Hollywooders eliminated any mention of flag or country. I guess hero worship is more important!

 

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http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2009/09/01/obama-youth-obama-national-address-to-kids-at-schools-sep-8/ - http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2009/09/01/obama-youth-obama-national-address-to-kids-at-schools-sep-8/

Obama Youth – Obama to indoctrinate kids on Sep 8

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http://rightvoices.com/2009/09/01/obama-to-make-unprecedented-address-to-all-public-school-students-September-8/ - http://rightvoices.com/2009/09/01/obama-to-make-unprecedented-address-to-all-public-school-students-September-8/

http://rightvoices.com/2009/09/01/obama-to-make-unprecedented-address-to-all-public-school-students-September-8/ - Obama to make unprecedented address to all public school students; September 8


 




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Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 02 2009 at 7:14pm
Another------Conspiricy Theory------
 
OMG
 
And you all are wondering why the site is losing credibility


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"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."   G Orwell


Posted By: sjf53
Date Posted: September 02 2009 at 7:18pm
Did you see the Video.  No Conspiracy
 
Nothing but the FACTS.................


Posted By: sjf53
Date Posted: September 02 2009 at 7:51pm
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13249171?_requestid=5883011 - Parents upset over 'leftist propaganda' video - Salt Lake Tribune
 
"Also she said she didn't like a pledge "to be of service to Barack Obama" as he is here to serve Americans, not the other way around. "
 
 
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13249171?_requestid=5883011 - http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13249171?_requestid=5883011   See Video here

Parents upset over 'leftist propaganda' video

Education » Principal apologizes for showing 'I Pledge' to students.
mailto:lschencker@sltrib.com?subject=Salt%20Lake%20Tribune:%20Parents%20upset%20over%20leftist%20propaganda%20video -

By Lisa Schencker

The Salt Lake Tribune

Updated: 09/02/2009 10:07:30 AM MDT

A school principal has apologized for showing a video at an assembly that a politically conservative group leader is calling "radical, leftist propaganda."

Children at Eagle Bay Elementary School in Farmington were shown a short video called "I pledge" on Aug. 28. The video opens with an image of President Barack Obama and part of a speech in which he says, "Let us summon a new spirit of patriotism, of responsibility where each of us resolves to pitch in and work harder and look after not only ourselves but each other." The video then features celebrities making pledges about how they will help the president and the world -- and that's where some say the problem lies.

Many pledges, such as supporting local food banks,

<smiling more, and caring for the elderly are noncontroversial. But other pledges, such as "to never give anyone the finger when I'm driving again," "to sell my obnoxious car and buy a hybrid" and to advance stem cell research cross the line, some say.

"Showing the video in a public school is completely inappropriate," said Jennifer Cieslewicz, whose daughter is a first-grader at the school. "I don't believe a video such as this that promotes certain values should be shown to elementary students, especially without parents being aware. "

Chris Williams, Davis School District spokesman, said school principal Ofelia Wade and school PTA leaders decided to show the video as part of an assembly about the school's theme for the year, service. He said the PTA board chose the video and Wade did not see it before it was shown in the assembly.

"It got to a point where she turned to her assistant and said, 'Oops, I wish I would have seen this before. I don't think I would have shown it,' " Williams said. He said Wade could see how some adults might find the video political.

"She acknowledges she was wrong and apologizes for it and says she's sorry," Williams said. Attempts to reach school PTA leaders Tuesday evening were unsuccessful.

Williams said Wade plans to send a letter home to parents Wednesday about the issue.

Gayle Ruzicka, president of conservative Utah Eagle Forum, said the video was blatantly political. She said other offensive pledges included, "I pledge to be of service to Barack Obama," "I pledge allegiance to the funk, to the united funk of funkadelica," and pledges to not use plastic grocery bags and not flush the toilet after urinating.

"It's very inappropriate to show a radical, leftist propaganda piece that political to children," Ruzicka said. "If parents want their children to learn about those things and do them in the home, wonderful, fine, but it's not the place of the school to show a one-sided propaganda piece to children without parents knowing about it."

Cieslewicz said such values should be decided in the home, not at school.

"They shouldn't be troubling our youth with the woes of the world and making them feel like we're in slavery or they have to worry about how many times they flush the toilet or if they have a plastic water bottle," Cieslewicz said, referring to pledges in the video to "end slavery."

Ruzicka said she contacted local media about the video after receiving complaints from several parents. Ruzicka said she worried the video's messages would confuse children whose parents might choose to use plastic bags when shopping or who want their children to flush the toilet after every use. Also she said she didn't like a pledge "to be of service to Barack Obama" as he is here to serve Americans, not the other way around.

Ruzicka said she'd like to see the school district send a link to the video to all parents before an upcoming back-to-school night so they can voice their opinions and discuss it with their children. Williams said it's unlikely the district will send out a link, but parents are welcome to access the video on YouTube.



Video: I Pledge
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13249171?_requestid=5883011#top"> http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13249171?_requestid=5883011#top - Return to Top   


Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: September 02 2009 at 8:14pm
Okay I am hearing this from even doctors. It is the "spooky Obama spin."  Obama with a mustache and brown shirts. It is pretty rampant on the net. And Obm with his armed republican guard unit thing doesn't make people comfortable.  And with all the executive order and Homeland at his side and martial law- he could be scary.

How well do we know the guy that 60,000,000 plus people voted for. Not really well. Fox network was nearly bound and gagged during the campaign. He would not even answer questions from them. He was raised by a Muslim. He is sympathetic to Muslims. I got one letter where he said he was in Egypt trying to patch things up with Muslims.

I'm on a list since I called there. So, I guess, are a lot of people. You want on the list (grin- now there's a thinker- do you really want to be on President Obama's personal contact list? Might have been such a hot idea calling the White House.)

You want to be on OBMs list. Call him.

You want to be in the biometric data base- go give them your DNA - they'll be glad to take it. Want to have your company listed with .gov- get a CCR.

Do I want to pledge to be a servant to Barack Obama? If you are military you already are- he is your commander and chief.

I forget that we have a lot of not Americans on the site. OBM is not their leader. And some really don't like him.

Can honestly say- despite a few emails- I really feel I don't know him at all. People love new presidents and really tear up others as they aren't God on a throne after awhile.

It is like someone asking you- would you do me favor?

Well- that is like pledging allegience in terms of total servitude to a leader you really don't know. Tell me what the favor is.

Med
 


Posted By: Penham
Date Posted: September 02 2009 at 9:57pm
I will be curious to see if it shown here in Oklahoma schools? Oklahoma voted very heavily for McCain, even though most people are registered Democrats. I have yet to meet anyone who is happy with Obama, here in Oklahoma (I know there has to be some, I just haven't met any), although I know people out of state who are happy with him.
 
I didn't view it, but I don't have a problem with my 13 year old watching it if they do show it. She is old enough to think for herself, I am not sure how I would feel if I had younger children.


Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: September 03 2009 at 4:39am
Leftist propaganda is the public school system you say!?!
 
Color me surprised. Ermm
 
I did not pledge to Barack Obama when I took the oath, I will not EVER pledge my service to Barack Obama nor will I *ANY* president. I will obey their LAWFUL orders, and those of the officers appointed above me and their lawful orders, but my allegiance belongs to the Constitution, and only the Constitution. It will be defended against all enemies, including those that attempt to ursurp and destroy the Constitution regardless if they're Republican, Democrat, or the President of the United States. The day the orders from those above me stop being lawful will be the day I will hang it all up.
 
Just to be clear, more than 85% of all military members agree with me.
 
The scheiss coming from our President nowadays is really scary and if anyone doesn't see the obvious and easy to find comparisons between Hitler and Obama, you're either naive or are part of the problem.
 
Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

Another------Conspiricy Theory------
 
 
Sorry, this one is not a conspiracy theory. The video exists. And though a picture says a thousand words, a video says an encyclopedia.
 
Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

 
And you all are wondering why the site is losing credibility
 
Stop drinking the Koolaid. At which point do the people pledge to serve the President instead of the President serving the people?


Posted By: Medclinician
Date Posted: September 03 2009 at 7:14am
Originally posted by Turboguy Turboguy wrote:


And you all are wondering why the site is losing credibility
 
Stop drinking the Koolaid. At which point do the people pledge to serve the President instead of the President serving the people?
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As a soldier, you should recognize the site has become in some areas a warzone. It elludes me why more has not been done to regulate the tone of posts in terms of data or comment versus attack.

Many of us have been here for years. We have had people come and go that were aggressive, but quite honestly Turbo- I truly think this is an effort to attack and destroy the credibility of the site.

I have seen this before. I have even seen the methods being used before to destroy a site. AFT has become very high profile. Remember Albert said we would be announcing on the media shortly. Well, personally some of us are going on to the media and I have invited Albert to join me.

The site has become powerful. Many people read it. 

It has also become political. And the big hits here are not by Americans. As a military guy would you say we are under attack. Well, consider Dr. D, and Dr. John, both M.D.s have been either been mocked, abused, or even called out to fight in the street, I would say it is time for the hand in the sky to stop people driving health professionals from the site.

The Obama issue is supercharged. We know that there is heavy net presence from the presidential camp. We also know there is dropping public support. We also know that the Afghanistan problem is getting to be really serious.

Here we have users trying to police a site when they are not even moderators or admin. Trying to tell them who to delete, what to allow to be posted- this seems pretty bizarre.

The site will survive, and hopefully we will be able to post until we are post the Second Wave or the screen goes black.  The site is not losing credibility- however it would seem some sure want it to.

Medclinician


Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 03 2009 at 8:43am

There definitely is some funny Kool-Aid going around, but I assure you it is not me drinking it.

 
This site is being turned into Conspiracy Theory Central, might as well just make Malkin, Beck, and Limpblow the moderators and call it a day.

Oh and this is very sensative material garnered from top secret profiles which can not be named here today (Trust Me).

 
LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL


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"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."   G Orwell


Posted By: mjm1
Date Posted: September 03 2009 at 9:32am
What's the point?  we all know that Obama and the Left are fascists - so what?  Just vote against them next time - that is all you can do.


Posted By: sjf53
Date Posted: September 03 2009 at 10:59am
Mahshadin...
 
Other Presidents have made back to school speeches. (Non-political)
 
The premise of the speech by itself I have no problem with. But it is not just an
inspirational speech to encourage students to achieve goals and stay in school.
This is a National Televised Speech with a Curriculum attached written and advised by Presidential Aides coordinated with the Department of Education.  Packets have been sent
with lesson plans, suggested activities and a book reading list (about Obama).  BTW, sent to Principals of schools bypassing School Boards without the time or for the usual necessary approval.
 
What should or could be an outstanding message crosses the line.  Teachers, School Boards and Parents across the country have had the same reactions and concerns.
Not a conspiracy.  
 
Questions to be asked about his speech:
What is the President Telling me?
What is the President asking me to do?
Letters are being asked to be written from the children about what they can do for our
president.
 
All sounds fine but when you combine them all together it is disconcerting.  Albeit, we have
not heard his speech to know if he will have undertones pushing his political policies.  But...that is a problem of which Parents should be first informed when educating their children.
 
Combining it all together with the Video is a problem.
 
If you see the "I Pledge" Hollywood Video - which Obama appears on you will understand.
(you can see it by going to the link in my above post)
This is unprecedented.  "I pledge to be a servant to our  President"   ????
Other pledges in the video are being questioned as suitable to be shown to our school children.  That is for the parents and family to decide, not the Federal government.  It goes too far. I will not be surprised if they decided to not show this video
This was the straw that broke the camel's back for me.
 
Even today, the White House/Presidential Aides are reconsidering their "wording" and their plans for the speech after the outpouring of concern by school boards across the country. 
 
Not a Conspiracy
 
Yes, respect for the Office of the President, Just don't glorify it. 
 
Emphasize student accountability...not what you can do for your president.
 
Just another step too far.  Some may call it subtle manipulation.
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Mahshadin, I guess if you can't argue the facts, demean the messenger ?
 
We also have the right to question what is being taught to our children.
 
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: September 03 2009 at 1:31pm
Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

This site is being turned into Conspiracy Theory Central, might as well just make Malkin, Beck, and Limpblow the moderators and call it a day.
 
The fact that you call this a conspiracy theory is a fallacious argument if I ever saw one, and to pair it up with an ad hominem is icing on the cake. Instead of actually looking at the evidence, you attack the site, the OP, and Beck... though I am at a loss as to how you made that connection. Big straw man.
 
Just because you say something is a conspiracy theory to attack credibility does not make it so. That's the same as me telling you that your points are wrong because you're stupid. Are you stupid? No, but on this one you're wrong. If George Bush had asked for people to pledge fealty to him and his issues, you'd be screaming for blood!


Posted By: Mary008
Date Posted: September 03 2009 at 3:53pm
 
 
 
I agree with...sjf53  the wacky EDU-Speak that was sent to teachers .. bad move.
 
and does this sound like an Educational Group with their act together?
 
 
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Chris Williams, Davis School District spokesman, said

school principal   Ofelia Wade
 
and school PTA leaders  (not parents)
 
 
decided to show the video
 
 
as part of an assembly about the school's theme for the year, service.
 
 
He said the PTA board chose the video
 
and Wade (school principal )
 
 did not see it before it was shown in the assembly.

"It got to a point where she turned to her assistant and said, '

Oops, I wish I would have seen this before.
 
I don't think I would have shown it,' "
 
Williams said.
 
 
He said Wade could see how some adults might find the video political.
 
 
 
 
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13249171?_requestid=5883011 - http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13249171?_requestid=5883011   See Video here

Parents upset over 'leftist propaganda' video

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 The Tatoos were not cool...   I pledge to be a   servant  not cool
 
Big giant head at the end... not cool.
 
 
poorly produced... 
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Posted By: Mary008
Date Posted: September 03 2009 at 4:23pm
 
on the upcoming speech tuesday morn... 10 am....
 
 
Obama speech to students: Not all parents want their kids to see it

Updated: 09/03/2009 07:39:58 AM MDT

excerpt-

Nationally, the
 
Virginia State Superintendent is urging schools "to make reasonable accommodations for students whose parents may object."
 
 
In Texas, parents are threatening to boycott schools, according to The Houston Chronicle . And

 
in Florida, the head of the state Republican Party labeled the address an inappropriate "indoctrination" to the President's "socialist" agenda.
 
 
 
Utah school districts are taking precautions.
 
Granite, Jordan, Salt Lake City and Davis districts are sending letters to principals saying
 
that if they plan to broadcast the speech, they should warn parents

and provide alternate activities for students who don't want to watch it. Canyons is
 
sending home letters to parents today along with waivers they can sign if they don't want
 
their children to watch the speech.
 
source
By Lisa Schencker And Kirsten Stewart
The Salt Lake Tribune
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13256838 - http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13256838
 
 
 
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Posted By: The Facilitator
Date Posted: September 03 2009 at 5:24pm

WOW! What the heck are you people talking about? What is so wrong with the President (No matter who he is) speaking to our youth about being better educated students?  Should we go back to the old days when the church ran everything and people were not taught to read and write?

Questions that are recommended for Teachers to ask students after the speech along with answers.

What is the President trying to tell me? Duh! The President is telling me  that education is important and that I should stay in school and learn.

What is the President asking me to do? Duh again! The President is telling me to do my best.
Any first grader can answer these questions.
Wow again! I think too many of you are listening to too much Pink Floyd "WE DON'T NEED NO EDUCATION!"


Posted By: 4=laro
Date Posted: September 03 2009 at 5:34pm
Duh, did you listen to the whole part and kiss your bicepts?  and pledge to be his servant?


Posted By: The Facilitator
Date Posted: September 03 2009 at 6:16pm
I am sorry I didn't make myself clear as to what I was referring to. I was referring to the speech that President Obama will be giving to school children. I was not referring to the YouTube Video.  I wasn't aware that YouTube was a reliable source.  If it is I guess it is true that people can walk naked on the moon. That is one video that I saw on YouTube. Oh My Goodness!


Posted By: Johnray1
Date Posted: September 03 2009 at 6:59pm
Turboguy,Once again,I agree with your statement completely.Johnray1


Posted By: sjf53
Date Posted: September 03 2009 at 7:59pm
The "I Pledge" Video initially was  going to be shown along with the President speech.  I am not sure with all the concern if it will still be viewed.  The video was produced by
Demi Moore and Ashton Kucher. "I pledge to be a servant to our President"
Subtle manipulation.
 
The WH Presidential Aides have admitted Today that the "wording" needed to be changed in the activities and written materials sent. 
 
Maybe someone can look this up but I thought I read that Federal statutes denies any authority to the Federal Department of Education to provide any kind of curriculum to be passed down to the state, and thats part of the statute forming the Department of Education.  Maybe this is why they by-passed the School Board Districts and sent the Packets of Lessons Plans and materials directly to the Principals of schools instead.  I think the Federal Government was maybe overstepping its bounds. 
 
(Please let me know if I am wrong on the statutes.)
 
Especially, not giving any time for the School Districts to review the materials.  Which by
most accounts School Boards and Educators across the country after reviewing the materials and seeing the video had concerns of inappropriate political overtones. 
Again, subtle manipulation if true.
 
 
If Obama would have just made a feel good, welcome back to school, his usual inspirational type speech to work hard, stay in school and have goals. 
 
Everyone would have welcomed it.
 
 
http://www.puma08.com/2009/09/02/sept-8th-here-are-two-of-the-books-on-obama-your-kids-are-expected-to-read/ - Sept 8th… Here are two of the books on Obama your kids are expected to read…
 
 
 
 
 
http://www.puma08.com/2009/09/02/sept-8th-here-are-two-of-the-books-on-obama-your-kids-are-expected-to-read/ - Sept 8th… Here are two of the books on Obama your kids are expected to read…
 
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: SanFran
Date Posted: September 03 2009 at 9:48pm
What is your problem???

That was an absolutely fantastic video.  I would definitely encourage my kids and all kids to watch it and to take it to heart.   It is about time that the people of this country started pledging to do good in the world.    How can anyone not agree with the content of that video? Of all the hundred or so pledges to do something good or right, some people are upset because there is one pledge to get behind our president in his fight to get people involved in good works?  You kind of make me sick to my stomach.   


Posted By: Mary008
Date Posted: September 03 2009 at 11:00pm
another article...
 
 
Obama speech to students draws conservative ire

By LIBBY QUAID and LINDA STEWART BALL (AP) -7 hours ago

excerpt-
 

Arizona state schools superintendent Tom Horne, a Republican, said lesson plans for teachers created by Obama's Education Department "call for a worshipful rather than critical approach."

The White House plans to release the speech online Monday so parents can read it.

He will deliver the speech at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Va.
 
and..
 
Critics are particularly upset about lesson plans the administration created to accompany the speech.
 
 
 
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ib8qja0qqnnbZFsHF7kP6GV9XVfQD9AG43GO0 - http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ib8qja0qqnnbZFsHF7kP6GV9XV
fQD9AG43GO0
 
 
 
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Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: September 04 2009 at 1:36am

Originally posted by SanFran SanFran wrote:

What is your problem???

That was an absolutely fantastic video.  I would definitely encourage my kids and all kids to watch it and to take it to heart.   It is about time that the people of this country started pledging to do good in the world.    How can anyone not agree with the content of that video? Of all the hundred or so pledges to do something good or right, some people are upset because there is one pledge to get behind our president in his fight to get people involved in good works?  You kind of make me sick to my stomach.   

 
Didn't a certain Adolph Hitler also send propaganda depicting people doing good things, helping the poor, helping those in need, and of course, pledging themselves to Die Furher! With a quick search there are thousands of propaganda videos, posters, and material with Adolph Hitler calling on the people to do good works.
 
I'm sure some sheeple then said exactly the same thing as you did right there. "What could be wrong with that?"
 
Next thing you know you're going to go full fascist and call me a racist because I don't think  he's the second coming, the Messiah, His Galactic Oneness, or anything so high. I don't believe this President has our best interests at heart. How many Czars are there that answer only to the president, are appointed only by the president, and have zero congressional oversight, while weilding unprecedented amounts of power? How many of those have anyone's best interests at heart? After all of this you're still drinking the Koolaid? Hey, in your little world I'm sure a force as well funded, equipped, and powerful as the US military solely under the control of the President would be a good thing, wouldn't it?
 
Ever hear of the Iraqi Republican Guard or the SS? How about the Janjaweed? Look it up.
 
 
Originally posted by The Facilitator The Facilitator wrote:

WOW! What the heck are you people talking about? What is so wrong with the President (No matter who he is) speaking to our youth about being better educated students?  Should we go back to the old days when the church ran everything and people were not taught to read and write?
 
Nice attempt at a Straw Man/Excluded middle Fallacy, but you're caught red handed. Try again, better luck next time.
 
Here's what's wrong with it: These people fight tooth and nail to keep the Pledge of Allegiance out of the school system, a pledge to get behind America, yet are more than happy to get our children pledging allegiance behind a president. It wasn't enough for them to believe that this man was a living god, to be worshipped, they (and you it seems) want those who are the most easily swayed believig that as well through peer pressure. That is scary crap. That exact same progression of events is what brought us numerous despots.
 
Originally posted by The Facilitator The Facilitator wrote:

Questions that are recommended for Teachers to ask students after the speech along with answers.
 
So when a kid asks why the President wants him/her to pledge alliegance to him instead of to the United States of America, the answer will be...?
 
So when a kid asks a teacher if this sounds a little too much Nazi-esque, the answer will be?
 
Originally posted by The Facilitator The Facilitator wrote:

What is the President trying to tell me? Duh! The President is telling me  that education is important and that I should stay in school and learn.
 
And I would totally agree if that was the only message in the video. It is not, you know it's not, and you are lacking in any intellectual integrity if you say otherwise. Now if it was said that I pledge to the United States to be the best I possibly can by finishing school, learning, and becoming a productive member of society, hey I'd be all behind it. This it is not. Instead the self absorbed ass wants people to believe and pledge to him and you see nothing wrong with that? Grape flavor or Cherry?
 
Originally posted by The Facilitator The Facilitator wrote:

Any first grader can answer these questions.
Wow again! I think too many of you are listening to too much Pink Floyd "WE DON'T NEED NO EDUCATION!"
 
That's right, any first grader can answer these questions. But they are also the most easy to indoctrinate. Pink Floyd was wrong, we do need education, but we don't need the brand of propaganda and indoctrination our President is trying to spoon feed our children.



Posted By: 4=laro
Date Posted: September 04 2009 at 4:14am
Thanks for clearing the water - Turboguy


Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: September 04 2009 at 6:06am
Originally posted by 4=laro 4=laro wrote:

Thanks for clearing the water - Turboguy
 
My pleasure, though by now I've been officially reported to His Masterfulness as a Rightwing extremist with my Libertarian bumper sticker and my clinging to my guns and religion.
 
How dare I make the paltry effort to connect the glaring dots and point out the obvious excesses of our current administration!?! How dare anyone!?! If you even hint at questioning the motives of His High Lordship you sir or ma'am are an extremist, a conspiracy theorist, or just downright UNAMERICAN and need to be shipped off to the re-education camp.
 
Originally posted by Minneapolis Star Tribune Minneapolis Star Tribune wrote:

As Charles Murray trenchantly http://blog.american.com/?p=4521 - remarked , “To those Obama supporters who put this kind of reaction down to angry conservatives, ask yourselves: quite apart from your political views, if George W. Bush had proposed to make a national speech to schoolchildren, complete with lesson plans, isn’t ‘creepy’ a word that would have come to mind?”
 
I don't think they'd be yelling creepy. They'd be screaming for an oak tree and someone to bring a rope. Hypocritical Liberals, nothing surprises me from them anymore.


Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 04 2009 at 7:44am
Hey news flash
 
 
I saw three people organizing a community effort.
 
They must be oppressive Communist Marxist Thugs.
 
Call to action, must stop the socialists.
 
Corner of (Self)    &    (Delusion)


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"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."   G Orwell


Posted By: sjf53
Date Posted: September 04 2009 at 8:47am
Thank you Turboguy..........
Clap


Posted By: SanFran
Date Posted: September 04 2009 at 9:17am
Originally posted by Turboguy Turboguy wrote:

Originally posted by SanFran SanFran wrote:

What is your problem???

That was an absolutely fantastic video.  I would definitely encourage my kids and all kids to watch it and to take it to heart.   It is about time that the people of this country started pledging to do good in the world.    How can anyone not agree with the content of that video? Of all the hundred or so pledges to do something good or right, some people are upset because there is one pledge to get behind our president in his fight to get people involved in good works?  You kind of make me sick to my stomach.   

 
Didn't a certain Adolph Hitler also send propaganda depicting people doing good things, helping the poor, helping those in need, and of course, pledging themselves to Die Furher! With a quick search there are thousands of propaganda videos, posters, and material with Adolph Hitler calling on the people to do good works.



Thanks for convincing us that Obama is the equivalent of Hitler because both of them recommended doing good works.  Your logic is unassailable.  We will all be on the lookout in the future for people recommending doing good and we will now know that they are really nothing more than Hitler in disguise.  

And thanks for proving Godwin's Law in such rapid fashion.  It usually takes a little longer.


Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: September 04 2009 at 9:22am
Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

Hey news flash
 
 
I saw three people organizing a community effort.
 
They must be oppressive Communist Marxist Thugs.
 
Call to action, must stop the socialists.
 
Corner of (Self)    &    (Delusion)
 
Grape or Strawberry Koolaid for you?
 
Not to worry in any case, Mahshadin, they were probably evil, deluded Conservatives paid by the Insurance industry going to go speak out to their elected represenatives at a town hall meeting. Those darn, what do you call them? Oh yeah! Astroturf, Teabaggers, and there was another buy I can't remember it... Oh well, I'm sure you'll fill me in!
 
Of all people, Mahshadin, I would think that you were above that crap you posted...


Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: September 04 2009 at 9:30am
Originally posted by SanFran SanFran wrote:

Thanks for convincing us that Obama is the equivalent of Hitler because both of them recommended doing good works.  Your logic is unassailable.  We will all be on the lookout in the future for people recommending doing good and we will now know that they are really nothing more than Hitler in disguise.
 
Hey not a problem, can you formulate a realistic response saying that the parallels between the two are not there without resorting to the, quite honestly, idiotic fallacy? I'll await your attempt with baited breath, though I know you're too blissfully ignorant to actually open your eyes.
 
I'll help you: Meteoric rise to power, gross attempts at pushing propaganda onto the minds that are the easiest to indoctrinate, calls for a military force that rivals the military which swears allegiance to the president alone, calls for allegiance not to the country but to an elected leader, attempts to malign a select group (In this case "Rightwing extremists" or anyone that happens to disagree with His Oneness), a push to Socialize huge parts of the country.
Originally posted by SanFran SanFran wrote:


And thanks for proving Godwin's Law in such rapid fashion.  It usually takes a little longer.
 
You're welcome, but I must thank you as well, It's been a long time since I've seen the level of hypocrisy from one poster. Congrats! Clap


Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 04 2009 at 5:01pm

Turboguy

Actually I thought that was rather artful

Corner of    (Self)   &   (Delusion)

 SmileSmileSmileSmile
Plus I was in a hurry, had 2 repair jobs this week, bzy---bzy
.ConfusedConfusedConfusedConfused
 
 
And I would just like to add a brief comment

 

The President of This United States Does Not Need a Permission Slip to talk to the schools. He has earned the right to address the American people of all ages (Election). Sounds like sour grapes

This would apply to any President whether Democrat, Republican or whatever Party. The funny thing is this argument would be completely rejected if the roles were reversed. Talk about Hypocrisy or is it just plain old Obstruction.

I think many will feel pretty foolish once they hear what he has to say and for what reasons.

 

Just my opinion of course



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"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."   G Orwell


Posted By: The Facilitator
Date Posted: September 04 2009 at 5:07pm
Dear Turboguy,
I am not referring to the video. Why do you keep including that with the speech? Two separate issues. Freedom of Speech Remember????? Anyone can post a YouTube Video. YouTube is not a valid resource.


Posted By: The Facilitator
Date Posted: September 04 2009 at 5:27pm
Dear Turboguy,
You make me laugh! You do not understand Pink Floyd at all. The real message they were conveying is that we Do need education but not the kind that was being offered. Freedom of speech in an abstract way. 
 
What would you tell our children if you had the opportunity to give a speech?


Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: September 04 2009 at 9:19pm
   Actually, I'd have been pleasantly surprised if Bush had done the same. As much as I disliked the guy I think it would have been a wonderful gesture on his part to interact with American schoolchildren on such a personal level - his style of leadership had too much of an ivory tower feel to it for my liking. And I have to say that despite my personal feelings for Dubya, if my kid had been given the opportunity to meet him I'd have been more than happy to let him - I think it's heartless to deny them the chance to meet their Commander In Chief. Those kinds of memories are priceless. Now if it had been Cheney showing up at his school I'd have told him to run like hell...LOL

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"Any community that fails to prepare, with the expectation that the federal government will come to the rescue, will be tragically wrong." Michael Leavitt, HHS Secretary.


Posted By: Mary008
Date Posted: September 04 2009 at 10:02pm
 
remembering the VP made me smile...  (hunting prowess)  so then I remembered Jib Jab...
 
some of their best work was for Pres Bush, and I wanted to see if they did anything for
 
Pres. Obama.
 
here 
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Second down on the left side.
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=jibjab&view=videos - http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=jibjab&view=videos
 
 
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 This is cute... Pres and 1st lady...  I would like to put my parents photos in this film.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW0l9PUFf60&feature=channel_page - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW0l9PUFf60&feature=channel_page
 
 
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some are tastless ...some are good, earlier was better.


Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: September 05 2009 at 5:20am
Originally posted by New York Times New York Times wrote:

The first President George Bush, a Republican, made a similar nationally broadcast speech from a Washington high school in 1991, urging students to study hard, avoid drugs and to ignore peers “who think it’s not cool to be smart.” Democrats in Congress http://www.nytimes.com/1991/10/04/us/financing-for-a-bush-speech-is-attacked.html?scp=1&sq=alice%20deal%20and%20bush&st=cse - accused him of using taxpayer money — $27,000 to produce the broadcast — for “paid political advertising.”
 
Sooooo it was all that was evil when George Bush did it, but it's okay now? Hypocritical leftists. And if anyone thinks that this is anything more than a paltry attempt to sway the most impressional minds toward the looming failure that is everything this president does to pray for support, you're fooling yourself.
 
Originally posted by TheFacilitator TheFacilitator wrote:

Dear Turboguy,
I am not referring to the video. Why do you keep including that with the speech? Two separate issues. Freedom of Speech Remember????? Anyone can post a YouTube Video. YouTube is not a valid resource.
 
Two issues which are part of the same whole. You'd love to simply compartmentalize all the wrongs this guy's pulling, which I might add are far worse than anything the Bush and Clintons could have dreamt of, but I'm not going to let you.
 
Your Freedom of Speech rights are to be protected. I would fight and die, and have promised to do so, so you'd have that right. The Freedom of Speech only goes so far, however, as the President is *NOT* to have unfettered access to the children in a forum where they're forced, either through curriculum or peer pressure to conform, to imbibe of the crap coming from Washington.
 
Here's another problem: The President had the audacity to believe any propaganda he has to say trumps kids learning in school. Let me be clear: I am, and will be against any politician, especially someone as powerful as the President addressing schoolchildren regardless of their political affiliation.
 
Originally posted by TheFacilitator TheFacilitator wrote:

Dear Turboguy,
You make me laugh! You do not understand Pink Floyd at all. The real message they were conveying is that we Do need education but not the kind that was being offered. Freedom of speech in an abstract way.
 
I understand exactly what the song was talking about, but I'm glad that I gave you a good belly laugh. I was using it in the same context as you were. Being the president is not an excuse someone gets to use to score political points and indoctrinate at the expense of schoolchildren.
 
Originally posted by TheFacilitator TheFacilitator wrote:

What would you tell our children if you had the opportunity to give a speech?
 
Good question! I'd start with a good dose of personal responsibility, followed up with advise to not let simple fear restrain you from reaching as high as you can. We live in the only place on Earth where just because you may fall down, you CAN pick yourself up and do it better. I'd tell them to never rely on the government because the government is only good at two things: Organizing a military and collecting taxes. Everything else government puts its skill to is an unmitigated disaster. I'd tell them to always question those in authority without fear. The only authority you should fear questioning is a despot, he will kill you for it and should be fought.


Posted By: Mary008
Date Posted: September 05 2009 at 10:42am
.
 
enough sparing...
 
back to the topic... sept. 8 speech.
 
It may be good for the kids to feel important...that the President asks them to stay in school. 
 
 
The children should be writing about themselves.  The Teacher should ask,
 
What type of job would you like to have as an adult?  What will you need to learn to do that job?
 
Has anyone visited a college or a trade school?
 
We will be planning to visit some in the future.
 
 
 
NOT as beneficial to the children...
................
 
 
 
 
Teachers can build background knowledge about
the President of the United States and his speech
by reading books about presidents and Barack Obama
and motivate students by asking the following questions:
 
 
Who is the President of the United States?
 
What do you think it takes to be President?
 
To whom do you think the President is going to be speaking?
 
 
Why do you think he wants to speak to you? '
 
What do you think he will say to you?
 
As students listen to the speech, they could think about the following: 
 
What is the President trying to tell me?
 
 
What is the President asking me to do?
 
 
Students could discuss their responses to the following questions:
 
 
 
What do you think the President wants us to do?
 
 
 
 Does the speech make you want to do anything?
 
 
Are we able to do what President Obama is asking of us?
 
 
What would you like to tell the President?
 
 


Posted By: sjf53
Date Posted: September 05 2009 at 12:49pm
 This may be another reason why Educators, School Districts and Parents  have concerns and are questioning.   Ideology. 
 
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OTQzMDIxZjlmMTM5N2ZhNzlmY2IyZDYxMWQ5NjQ2NDM= - Another Communist in Obama’s Orb by Andrew C. McCarthy on National Review Online
Click here
 
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OTQzMDIxZjlmMTM5N2ZhNzlmY2IyZDYxMWQ5NjQ2NDM=&w=Mg - http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OTQzMDIxZjlmMTM5N2ZhNzlmY2IyZDYxMWQ5NjQ2NDM=&w=Mg ==
 
Another Communist in Obama’s Orb
Meet Michael Klonsky, Obama's "social justice" http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OTQzMDIxZjlmMTM5N2ZhNzlmY2IyZDYxMWQ5NjQ2NDM=# - education expert.

By Andrew C. McCarthy
National Review
 
Obama's Educational Agenda exposed........
 
 
"Here’s what you need to know. Klonsky is an unabashed communist whose current mission is to spread Marxist ideology in the American classroom. Obama funded him to the tune of nearly $2 million. Obama, moreover, gave Klonsky a broad platform to broadcast his ideas: a “social justice” blog on the official Obama campaign website.

To be clear, as it seems always necessary to repeat when Obamaniacs, in their best Saul Alinsky tradition, shout down the opposition: This is not about guilt by association. The issue is not that Obama knows Klonsky … or Ayers … or Dohrn … or Wright … or Rashid Khalidi …

The issue is that Obama promoted and collaborated with these anti-American radicals. The issue is that he shared their ideology. "
 
Please Read Full Article..........
 
 
Again....a back to school address by any President is welcomed.
 
 
But... without having advanced knowlege of the speech's content and then combined with materials, books and "I Pledge" video suggestion, a debate ensued. 
 
Unprecedented also, was the Federal government (Dept of Education) circumventing the usual State's (Dept of Education) School District Boards sending curriculum directly to the school principals. ??
 
 
The wording has been revised "artfully" now WH Presidential Aides assure and I am sure it will be another Inspirational Obama speech about student goals and staying in school. 
 
If there had been no uproar I just wonder what his original speech would have been?





Posted By: Mary008
Date Posted: September 05 2009 at 1:45pm
 
 
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Michael Klonsky (born 1943) is an http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States - American http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Educator - educator , author, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Klonsky#cite_note-0 - [1] and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_activist - political activist . Klonsky is one of the leaders of the modern http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_schools_movement - small schools movement which has done much to transform the face of secondary school education in the United State. His early research http://eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/custom/portlets/recordDetails/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&_&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=ED386517&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=no&accno=ED386517 - [1] on issues of school size and its impact on student achievement, school violence, and dropout rates, helped pave the way towards the development of thousands of new small and charter schools across the country.

In the 1970s he became a leader of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Communist_Movement - New Communist Movement which broke away from the older http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_USA - Communist Party USA and its allegiance to the Soviet Union. Klonsky later became critical of Marxist dogma but stayed active in civil rights, anti-war and educational reform politics. Klonsky is now a retired professor of education after teaching at several universities, including the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Illinois,_Chicago - University of Illinois, Chicago http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Klonsky#cite_note-1 - [2] and the Fischler School of Education at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_Southeastern_University - Nova Southeastern University . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Klonsky#cite_note-2 - [3] His academic work focused on small school size as a solution to the problems of inner city schools. He is now the director of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_Schools_Workshop - Small Schools Workshop , a school outreach program associated with UIC. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Klonsky#cite_note-3 - [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Klonsky#cite_note-4 - [5]

Klonsky's father, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Klonsky - Robert Klonsky , a WWII veteran who fought as a volunteer against the Franco fascists during the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Civil_War - Spanish Civil War , had been arrested and convicted of "conspiring to advocate Marxist views" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Act - Smith Act during the McCarthy period. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Klonsky#cite_note-5 - [6] The Supreme Court later overturned the case. In the late 1960s Michael Klonsky became the national secretary of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_for_a_Democratic_Society_%281960_organization%29 - Students for a Democratic Society , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Klonsky#cite_note-arrest-6 - [7] which he joined as a student at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Fernando_Valley_State_College - San Fernando Valley State College (now California State University, Northridge). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Klonsky#cite_note-7 - [8] He was one of five S.D.S. members arrested on May 12, 1969, when prank phone calls sent police and firefighters to the S.D.S. offices in Chicago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Klonsky#cite_note-arrest-6 - [7] In the 1970s he headed the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_%28Marxist-Leninist%29_%28USA%29 - Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist) , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Klonsky#cite_note-hua-8 - [9] in which role he was one of the first westerners allowed to visit the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peoples_Republic_of_China - People's Republic of China . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Klonsky#cite_note-hua-8 - [9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Klonsky#cite_note-9 - [10]

In 2008, Klonsky's thirty-year-old political positions became prominent again due to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008 - United States presidential election of 2008 . Several people questioned http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama - Barack Obama , incluing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton - Hillary Clinton , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Stephanopoulos - George Stephanopoulos http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Klonsky#cite_note-10 - [11] , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain - John McCain and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin - Sarah Palin , based upon Obama's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers_presidential_election_controversy - relationship with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Ayers - William Ayers and the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Annenberg_Challenge - Chicago Annenberg Challenge . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Klonsky#cite_note-11 - [12]

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Posted By: The Facilitator
Date Posted: September 07 2009 at 11:11am
Smile


Posted By: The Facilitator
Date Posted: September 07 2009 at 11:14am
Clearing the water? I think he is dumping more dirt into the water.


Posted By: The Facilitator
Date Posted: September 07 2009 at 11:50am
 Good question! I'd start with a good dose of personal responsibility, followed up with advise to not let simple fear restrain you from reaching as high as you can. We live in the only place on Earth where just because you may fall down, you CAN pick yourself up and do it better. I'd tell them to never rely on the government because the government is only good at two things: Organizing a military and collecting taxes. Everything else government puts its skill to is an unmitigated disaster. I'd tell them to always question those in authority without fear. The only authority you should fear questioning is a despot, he will kill you for it and should be fought. [/QUOTE]
 
 
Tuboguy,
Looks like we are on the same page. Your right about not relying on the government. There are a lot of people that do this. People on welfare for example. The only thing that you should leave out is your part about the anti-government. This is personal opinion and not something we should be putting into our children's heads. We should instead tell them to be involved in the world around them and make the world a better place and to make improvements to our government.


Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: September 07 2009 at 12:32pm
Originally posted by The Facilitator The Facilitator wrote:

Tuboguy,
Looks like we are on the same page. Your right about not relying on the government. There are a lot of people that do this.
 
I figured we would. I'm a center right libertarian and on some issues am hardcore leftist (Abortion is a woman's issue, education for children) and extremely far right on others (Gun rights, limits on government/taxation).   
 
Originally posted by TheFacilitator TheFacilitator wrote:

People on welfare for example.
 
Well, Welfare if used as it was designed and intended is as a stopgap between employment, and is a good thing. The perversion it has become in regards to the rampant misuse of it is where I think there is a problem. Some believe that the monthly moneycheck is THEIR money that they're owed. Oh man I've got a problem with that one...
 
Originally posted by TheFacilitator TheFacilitator wrote:

The only thing that you should leave out is your part about the anti-government. This is personal opinion and not something we should be putting into our children's heads. We should instead tell them to be involved in the world around them and make the world a better place and to make improvements to our government.
 
I disagree, and here's why: I work for the government (Federal in the Military, and at the county level civilian wise) and have found that the government's reaction to anything is never the way Goldilocks likes it best, just right. It's either entirely too little (Katrina) too much (Medicare, Social Security, TARP) or it's totally rotten (Cash for Clunkers, Stimulus Package, Govt Healthcare). This is why I say that they screw it up.
 
The part about questioning without fear I totally believe that kids nowadays need to learn. They need to always stand up and question those we've placed in power. The day the people fear the government rather than the government fears the people, we're going to have a major problem on our hands. If we're forced to fear asking questions of out government, we might as well live in a repressive place like China.


Posted By: Mary008
Date Posted: September 07 2009 at 5:40pm
hi all.... the speech is out there to read...  I have a few comments and I hope we hear
from all the posters here.  Most of you know... I think it isn't really all about the Pres...
It takes a village :)    I'm sure it will sound better? when he speaks..
 
 
I hoped it would be more upbeat..

It was   w   a    y    over the heads of the elementary kids.

It was too much like... you aren't doing your best  :(

The kids who drop out need to be built up.... need a dream... a goal.

I did not find it inspiring.

He meant well...

I give it a 4 for elementary age and a 5 1/2 for high school.

remember I ... read it.   It will sound different, better? spoken.
 
excerpts-      (that gave a tone I sensed)
 
entire speech here
http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaResources/PreparedSchoolRemarks/ - http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaResources/PreparedSchoolRemarks/

and pushing you to learn
 making sure you stay on track, and get your homework done, and don't spend every waking hour in front of the TV or with that Xbox.

 turning around schools that aren't working where students aren't getting the opportunities they deserve.

none of it will matter unless all of you fulfill your responsibilities. Unless you show up to those schools; pay attention to those teachers; listen to your parents, grandparents and other adults; and put in the hard work it takes to succeed.
 
the responsibility each of you has for your education. I want to start with the responsibility you have to yourself.
You've got to work for it and train for it and learn for it.
 
What you make of your education will decide nothing less than the future of this country. What you're learning in school today will determine whether we as a nation can meet our greatest challenges in the future.
 
You'll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You'll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free. You'll need the creativity and ingenuity you develop in all your classes to build new companies that will create new jobs and boost our economy.

So today, I want to ask you, what's your contribution going to be? What problems are you going to solve? What discoveries will you make? What will a president who comes here in twenty or fifty or one hundred years say about what all of you did for this country? 

So I expect you to get serious this year. I expect you to put your best effort into everything you do. I expect great things from each of you. So don't let us down - don't let your family or your country or yourself down. Make us all proud. I know you can do it.
 
 

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 too much.   Give the kids better food ...healthy food at school.
That makes an impression on me.

Focus on the kids... not the textbooks and the tests, and the mind numbing sameness
of every day... day after day.  "take out your pencils...
The way they instruct teachers in colleges needs to change.
Elementary children should go outside for science lessons.

It sounded like the children were being blamed for the troubled school system.  :/
 
By the President of the United States.
 
 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: September 07 2009 at 6:42pm
I read the speech and it was a rah,rah, speech. It mab be pushed by the liberal teachers as a wonderful thing and conservative teachers if any will not show it...they will be teaching.

I work with little kids they will not pay attention after about 5 minutes, after that it will be blah, blah, blah.



Posted By: sjf53
Date Posted: September 08 2009 at 8:53am
Just a little side note.............Democrats held Investigations and Hearings for President Bush's School Speech. 1991
 
And..President Bush unlike Obama did not push/suggest or send curriculum along with activities and a "I Pledge to serve our president" video to coordinate with his speech.
 
Please check out/Google House Resolution HR 1388 - "Give Act" (Now renamed for Ten Kennedy)" Volunteer and Education Act."  Passed by Obama April 2009   294 page document  (Companion Ammendment S277) 
Amendments to require service were left out before the house and senate would approve.
- Funding allocated to increase Americorp and community organizing organizations.
New government entities added to the system
 
 
But...in a few days of HR 1388 passage the progressives were back at it with this bill HR 1444
 
Please check out/Google House Resolution HR 1444 - All the provisions left out of HR 1388 have been reintroduced in this bill.  NOT passed yet.  
Said "Commission" will be  appoinited for the life of the bill and be given the ability to Require/Mandatory Service.
 
Remember Rahm Emanuel and "The Plan".
 
 
IMHO - I think Obama's original school day speech was to coordinate or was a subtle prelude to his speech to be given on 9/11 - Now declared National Day of Service.   Watch his speech on 9/11 and see how it all comes together with HR 1388/1444.  Van Jones was to be a big part of these activities on 9/11.  Look up the groups sponsoring and organizing the days activities. 
 
 
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html - When Bush spoke to students, Democrats investigated, held hearings | Washington Examiner
 
 
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html - http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html

When Bush spoke to students, Democrats investigated, held hearings

By: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/bios/byron-york.html - Byron York
Chief Political Correspondent
09/08/09 7:11 AM EDT

The controversy over http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Text-of-President-Obamas-Back-to-School-speech-57698542.html - President Obama's speech to the nation's schoolchildren will likely be over shortly after Obama speaks today at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Virginia. But when President George H.W. Bush delivered a similar speech on October 1, 1991, from Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington DC, the controversy was just beginning. Democrats, then the majority party in Congress, not only denounced Bush's speech -- they also ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate its production and later summoned top Bush administration officials to Capitol Hill for an extensive hearing on the issue.

Unlike the Obama speech, in 1991 most of the controversy came after, not before, the president's school appearance. The day after Bush spoke, the Washington Post published a front-page story suggesting the speech was carefully staged for the president's political benefit. "The White House turned a Northwest Washington junior high classroom into a television studio and its students into props," the Post reported.

With the Post article in hand, Democrats pounced. "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," said Richard Gephardt, then the House Majority Leader. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'"

Democrats did not stop with words. Rep. William Ford, then chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee, ordered the General Accounting Office to investigate the cost and legality of Bush's appearance. On October 17, 1991, Ford summoned then-Education Secretary Lamar Alexander and other top Bush administration officials to testify at a hearing devoted to the speech. "The hearing this morning is to really examine the expenditure of $26,750 of the Department of Education funds to produce and televise an appearance by President Bush at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, DC," Ford began. "As the chairman of the committee charged with the authorization and implementation of education programs, I am very much interested in the justification, rationale for giving the White House scarce education funds to produce a media event."

Unfortunately for Ford, the General Accounting Office concluded that the Bush administration had not acted improperly. "The speech itself and the use of the department's funds to support it, including the cost of the production contract, appear to be legal," the GAO wrote in a letter to Chairman Ford. "The speech also does not appear to have violated the restrictions on the use of appropriations for publicity and propaganda."

That didn't stop Democratic allies from taking their own shots at Bush. The National Education Association denounced the speech, saying it "cannot endorse a president who spends $26,000 of taxpayers' money on a staged media event at Alice Deal Junior High School in Washington, D.C. -- while cutting school lunch funds for our neediest youngsters."

Lost in all the denouncing and investigating was the fact that Bush's speech itself, like Obama's today, was entirely unremarkable. "Block out the kids who think it's not cool to be smart," the president told students. "If someone goofs off today, are they cool? Are they still cool years from now, when they're stuck in a dead end job. Don't let peer pressure stand between you and your dreams.

 


 



Posted By: Mary008
Date Posted: September 08 2009 at 12:58pm
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With the Post article in hand, Democrats pounced. "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students," said Richard Gephardt, then the House Majority Leader. "And the president should be doing more about education than saying, 'Lights, camera, action.'"
 
 
 
Educational Sec. admits curriculum sent out was poorly worded...
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/32734420#32734420 - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/32734420#32734420
 
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Posted By: sjf53
Date Posted: September 08 2009 at 2:42pm
Maybe this is why one of the educational activities suggested for the children were to make posters.  And you wonder why so many people including educators are worried about
propaganda. 
 
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/pcourrielche/2009/08/25/the-national-endowment-for-the-art-of-persuasion-patrick-courrielche/ - http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/pcourrielche/2009/08/25/the-national-endowment-for-the-art-of-persuasion-patrick-courrielche/   Click here for article
 
" recently wrote a critique of the art community’s lack of dissent in the face of many controversial decisions made by the current administration. Entitled “ http://www.reason.com/news/show/135293.html - The Artist Formerly Known as Dissident ,” one of the key points argued in the article was the potential danger associated with the use of the art community as a tool of the state. Little did I know how quickly this concern would be elevated to an outright probability. "

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http://serve.artsusa.org/blog/entry/invitation-join-us-for-a-conference-call-with-the-white-house-this-thursday/ - Invitation: Join Us for a Conference Call With the White House This Thursday | Americans for the Arts
 
http://serve.artsusa.org/blog/entry/invitation-join-us-for-a-conference-call-with-the-white-house-this-thursday/ - http://serve.artsusa.org/blog/entry/invitation-join-us-for-a-conference-call-with-the-white-house-this-Thursday/   Click Here for article
 

"Even more disturbing than learning that the White House and NEA are using the arts to address specific issues, is to learn what was discussed on this new conference call. Rosenbaum mentions that there was much talk of “leveraging federal dollars” to get artists and cultural organizations involved in social-service projects. 

Leveraging federal dollars? This is the problem with marrying issue specific topics, like health care and energy, with a group that is funded by tax dollars; it increases the potential of taxpayer-funded propaganda"

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/pcourrielche/2009/09/08/update-the-nea-and-mainstream-media-remain-silent/ - WHO SET UP GOVERNMENT ‘PROPAGANDA’ CONFERENCE CALL? Newly Revealed White House, NEA Audio Contradict

by http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/author/pcourrielche - Patrick Courrielche

Another conference call has materialized, revealing a concerted effort by government to use the arts to address political issues.

Lee Rosenbaum, a blogger for Artsjournal.com, http://www.artsjournal.com/culturegrrl/2009/09/united_we_serve.html - posted her experience with a meeting that occurred on August 27th and confessed that she also felt “uneasy” about the government’s arts effort.  The meeting invitation ( http://serve.artsusa.org/blog/entry/invitation-join-us-for-a-conference-call-with-the-white-house-this-thursday/ - viewable here ) went out to all “member local, state, and regional arts agencies, community-based arts organizations, and national partners of Americans for Arts.” Americans for Arts is a non-profit arts organization that has received substantial grants from the National Endowment for the Arts.

JOHNSON

As with my conference call, the art group was invited to the meeting to work together to “tackle some of the nation’s toughest issues: education; health; energy and the environment; community renewal; and safety and security.” Also like my call, it included a private citizen moderating the phone call with key White House representatives participating. Kalpen Modi, Associate Director of the White House Office of Public Engagement, was to represent the White House and key representatives from the National Endowment for the Arts were also to participate.

Even more disturbing than learning that the White House and NEA are using the arts to address specific issues, is to learn what was discussed on this new conference call. Rosenbaum mentions that there was much talk of “leveraging federal dollars” to get artists and cultural organizations involved in social-service projects. 

Leveraging federal dollars? This is the problem with marrying issue specific topics, like health care and energy, with a group that is funded by tax dollars; it increases the potential of taxpayer-funded propaganda.

As mentioned in the invitation, the NEA was to be on this phone call. However at the last minute, as Rosenbaum blogged, “Modi informed us that ‘unfortunately our colleagues from NEA and NEH [the National Endowment for the Humanities]’ were tied up in meetings and couldn’t participate, as had been planned.”

Could it have anything to do with http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/pcourrielche/2009/08/25/the-national-endowment-for-the-art-of-persuasion-patrick-courrielche/ - the article I posted two days earlier ? We can only guess but Rosenbaum also hopes that they might have been “having second thoughts about commandeering their constituents for this political adventure.”

What appears to be emerging is a concerted and deliberate effort by the White House and the NEA to encourage the art community to create issue specific art. This new conference call shows the same modus operandi, including a “third party” individual moderating the call to apparently distance the NEA and the White House from initiating the meeting.

The National Endowment for the Arts has yet to comment regarding their involvement with this effort, except for one small, but damaging, comment by their Communications Director Yosi Sergant.

When asked by Kerry Picket of the Washington Times about the NEA’s involvement in inviting artists to my conference call, Sergant said that “the NEA didn’t invite, we were a participant in a call, there was a third party that did the invitations.” When asked for a copy of the invitation, Sergant responded that the invitation “didn’t come from us…so I don’t have it…” He went on to state that Michael Skolnik was the “third party” and that the Corporation for National and Community Service was the party who set up the conference call. This dialogue can be heard here:

We’ve already proved there are two dishonest remarks in this statement from the NEA in http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/pcourrielche/2009/08/31/contradictions-are-revealing-politicizing-the-nea/ - a previous post , namely that the NEA did have the invite and they did send it out to the art community.

When the “Corporation” (referenced by Sergant) was asked by Josh Miller of Foxnews.com about my conference call, a representative stated that “the call was organized by an ‘individual interested’ in the group…”

Interesting. Because this same interested individual, Michael Skolnik, contradicts both of these federal agency’s statements in his opening remarks of the conference call I was on.

Skolnik states that it was the White House and the National Endowment for the Arts that asked him to bring together this independent art group. Skolnik’s statement can be heard here:

These obvious contradictions, as well as http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2009/sep/01/official-dishonesty-national-endowment-arts/ - the documented dishonesty on the part of the National Endowment for the Arts, support a conclusion that the NEA may feel their involvement with this effort is outside of their mandate. George Will, Pulitzer Prize-winning newspaper journalist, appears to agree with my conclusion. On this past Sunday’s This Week with George Stephanopoulos, George Will referenced the NEA’s involvement in the conference call and stated, “ http://www.breitbart.tv/george-will-nea-call-for-recovery-agenda-art-likely-broke-some-laws/ - I don’t know how many laws that breaks but I’m sure there are some.

With the building evidence of bad behavior by the NEA, you’d think this federal agency would have issued a statement explaining their position on this “brand new” direction for the arts. But as the cliché goes, the silence has been deafening. This taxpayer funded agency and their civil servants haven’t even returned phone calls from legitimate press outlets such as the Boston Globe, Foxnews.com, or the Washington Times.

Even more deafening is the silence on the part of the mainstream media. Documented dishonesty by White House appointed officials should easily draw the ire of our media watchdogs. But the liberal media, historically a protector of the arts, has turned its back on the community of which it adores. Like the Van Jones story, it appears that the blogosphere and conservative media are the only two forums that break news anymore. And the news that they break has dire consequences for those involved regardless of the mainstream media’s blind eye.

We need the National Endowment for the Arts to respond to these issues immediately. The NEA needs to issue a statement explaining the agency’s involvement in encouraging the art community to create art on issues being vehemently debated, contradictions made by their Communications Director, and lack of response to the inquiries of both the concerned public and press outlets.

As the former deputy chairman of the National Endowment for the Humanities, http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Y2E0NGU4ZmVmMDI4M2E5YzBhMzNjN2RhNDYyZmU0ODg= - Lynne Munson, stated in a recent post , during her tenure as deputy chairman “any action resembling this call would have triggered immediate dismissal.” I think http://www.breitbart.tv/administration-uses-nea-to-recruit-artists-to-push-obama-agenda/ - we’ve shown action resembling this call.

Bad behavior must have consequences, or else that behavior becomes the norm. The actions of the National Endowment for the Arts are leaving the agency vulnerable to attacks on its credibility and rationale for existence.

The NEA needs to address this issue.

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 Some Comments:

Excellent column. And the silence is deafening to say the least.

The main stream media should be ashamed of their behavior, they are miserable failures when it comes to reporting the truth.
 
 

John A. Jauregui · http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/pcourrielche/2009/09/08/update-the-nea-and-mainstream-media-remain-silent/#IDComment33651837 - 4 hours ago

This is yet an other government sponsored, tax payer financed "information operation" (otherwise know as propaganda) similar to the concerted US/UN IPCC Global Warming/Climate Change campaign, all of which have the stink of the "New World Order" javascript:%20showReportBox%2833651837%29 - Report



Posted By: Penham
Date Posted: September 08 2009 at 2:50pm
So did anybody's kids hear this in school today? I actually forgot to ask mine if they showed it in school today, before I dropped her off at softball practice. If they did, it must have not made an impact, because she didn't mention it, I will ask her when I pick her up from practice


Posted By: sjf53
Date Posted: September 08 2009 at 3:14pm

No...The speech had been revised, wording changed, do to the uproar from School Districts, Educators and Parents.  We will never know what was in the original speech.

 
I thought President Obama's speech today was very good.  (Non political)
 


Posted By: Penham
Date Posted: September 08 2009 at 5:13pm
Our school didn't show it. Of course we started back to school 3 weeks ago too, so don't know if that had anything to do with the decision being made not to show it.


Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 08 2009 at 5:22pm
The glass will always be half empty      for some!!!!!

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Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 08 2009 at 6:13pm
Just in Case You Missed what all the hoooppplllaaaaa is about
 

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/A-Message-of-Hope-and-Responsibility-for-Americas-Students/ - http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/A-Message-of-Hope-and-Responsibility-for-Americas-Students/



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"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."   G Orwell


Posted By: sjf53
Date Posted: September 08 2009 at 7:18pm
Mahshadin.... I think you need to be a little more forthcoming and honest here.
 
The hoopla was before the speech's content were revealed.  Given the facts of the above posts would you not be the slightest bit concerned.  It was not just about the speech.
 
It was about the materials/curriculum sent from the Federal Government/Presidential Aidees . The Packets of information, Posters, Activities, Book lists and suggested " I Pledge to be of service to our President" Video.  Also,  Not following protocol, Curriculum being sent to Principals of Schools directly instead of  the State School Boards and Districts. Unprecedented.  All combined...sent up red flags.
 
 
After the hoopla or uproar coming from diverse groups of Educated, Intelligent People, the Administration/ Presidential Aides admitted the wording was "unartfully" done.  Thus the original draft was reworded and revised  as well as some of the written material. 
 
I love how the Left and the Media seem to leave these important facts out when reporting.
Making it just about the Speech which we did not have the text of  until yesterday.
 
I still would like to see the original first draft of the speech. 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 08 2009 at 8:05pm
Sjf
 
So your assessment is:
 
Another Conspiricy Theory (Sthe Speech) or rather the different version. So what there was the Oppressive Marxist Commy Hitlerizm propaganda speech and then there was todays speech.
 
Really


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"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."   G Orwell


Posted By: The Facilitator
Date Posted: September 08 2009 at 8:43pm
 Mary008.
Lots said. I do not know what your background is but where did you get your info. about how they are teaching teachers in college? We are taught in college to engage the students in hands-on lessons, field trips for science etc. However, once out in the "real" world we are restricted from doing this. Are restrictions are: No money-no field trips, thanks to NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND we have to show student accountabliity by testing, testing and more testing. How do we do this?  Well we say "take out your pencils... " Video taping of students or student portfolios can not be used. I can not blame all of this on NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND  because the community and parents are in on this too. They want and even demand paper proof that their children are learning. I am asked at the beginning of the year by parents. Are you sending homework home? What day of the week are you giving my child their spelling test? What is your turn around on grading and returning my child's papers home? ya, da, ya da, ya da,  Finally, I agree that our children need better food. Any suggestions how this can be done if no money is given to the school?


Posted By: sjf53
Date Posted: September 08 2009 at 9:33pm

Mahshadin...

Please don't turn my posts into something they are not.

I have just posted the Facts.   Have you read my posts?  No Conspiracy Theory. 

Ignoring the facts, doesn't change the facts.
 
I thought Obama's revised speech today was inspirational for our school children.  Does that make you feel better?
 
 


Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 08 2009 at 9:49pm
Pardone
 
I didnt realize you were in possession of 2 different speaches supporting your new theory (Facts)
 
Please share


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Posted By: Mary008
Date Posted: September 08 2009 at 10:32pm
 
 
hi..  I'm very supportive of teachers.  :)  and you are right on... teaching to the test. :/
 
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Any suggestions how this can be done if no money is given to the school?
 
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1st to address burn out....  every school should hire a Parent/Teacher Coordinator.
 
They have a computer with notes on the childs work and suggestions from the teacher.
 
That Coordinator can deal with the parents.   If they pay you a Doctor's salary... then you
 
can talk to all the parents... otherwise a meet and greet at the beginning of the year,
 
and Parent night are enough.... all in a social enjoyable context.   the Coordinator can
 
set up the special tutoring classes, get the progress reports out to parents, make appts
 
for talks with the principal,  alert parents to an outbreak of L. , warn that Little Morgan
 
can't wear a slogan on his shirt, signed - Morlli Slebin. Parent Teacher Coordinator 
 
 
on food...   
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Is nutrition still on the school menu?
New York students will have to settle for pizza without tasty turkey pepperoni topping.
 
In Maryland schools, tomato slices were pulled for...

By Maria Glod
 
The Washington Post

 
Sharp rises in the cost of milk, grain and fresh fruits and vegetables are forcing cash-
 
strapped schools to raise prices or pinch pennies by serving more economical dishes.
Related

 
 
New York students will have to settle for pizza without tasty turkey pepperoni topping. In
 
Maryland schools, tomato slices were pulled for a few weeks from cafeteria salads in favor
 
of less-expensive carrots or celery.
 
 
And in North Carolina, Yoo-hoo drinks, which had been taken off the shelf in favor of
 
healthier options, are back. Sure, officials would rather the kids chugged milk. But each
 
Yoo-hoo sale brings in 36 cents of profit.
 
Sharp rises in the cost of milk, grain and fresh fruits and vegetables are hitting cafeterias
 
across the country, forcing cash-strapped schools to raise prices or pinch pennies by s
 
serving more economical dishes. Some school officials on a mission to help fight childhood
 
obesity say it's becoming harder to fill students' plates with healthful, low-fat foods.
 
 
 
(here's a tip... never mind the milk, it has a lot of calories, if there is protein on the
 
menu, nix the dairy... give them bottled water)
 
 
 
Each year, Uncle Sam, in an effort to ensure the neediest children get healthful meals,
 
gives schools a little more cash to help feed students. But school officials nationwide say
 
the federal share hasn't kept pace with rising costs.
 
 
 
This year, the U.S. Department of Agriculture is giving schools $2.47 per lunch to serve free
 
meals to children from the poorest families, up from $2.40 last year, a 3 percent increase.
 
In the same time, milk prices rose about 17 percent and bread nearly 12 percent.
 
 
The federal government provides $2.07 per meal for students eligible for a reduced-price
 
lunch and 23 cents a meal for students who pay full price. Schools also receive some foods,
 
including meat, cheese and canned goods, purchased by the federal government.
 
 
The average cost of preparing and serving a school lunch runs from about $2.70 to $3.10,
 
according to the School Nutrition Association.
 
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article here-
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/health/2004349455_schoollunch15.html - http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/health/2004349455_schoollunch15.html
 
 
 
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A lot of info here...
 
http://www.preventioninstitute.org/sa/enact/school/school_meals_1b.php - http://www.preventioninstitute.org/sa/enact/school/school_meals_1b.php
 
 
 
 

Have a parent Teacher night... ask  them to fill out a hand out sheet.
questions like...  What foods would your child like to eat at school?
Do you think  many of the children skip breakfast?
Would you be willing to volunteer any of your time to help change the school's current
food menu?  
 
Give a take home sheet with a print out of the below info-
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As well as talk about the info below... have a few Teachers talk on a topic they like on food from the sites below that the parents can take home and revisit when they have time.     And for eye candy... have a tray with a typical starchy  lunch... and a realistic yet healthy type lunch on a tray next to it.
 
 
June 14, 2009
Alice Waters' Crusade For Better Food

VIDEOS
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/13/60minutes/main4863738.shtml - http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/13/60minutes/main4863738.shtml
 
Eat-in: National day of action to get REAL FOOD into schools
http://www.slowfoodsanfrancisco.com/sf_events.html?evcode=00053 - http://www.slowfoodsanfrancisco.com/sf_events.html?evcode=00053

Organic
http://www.organicguide.com/videos/food-community/marin-organic-school-lunch-program/ - http://www.organicguide.com/videos/food-community/marin-organic-school-lunch-program/
 
UK
http://www.mertonparents.co.uk/ - http://www.mertonparents.co.uk/
 
Better Food, Better Behavior in Schools
http://www.michaelfieldsaginst.org/work/urbanag/bfbb_report.pdf - http://www.michaelfieldsaginst.org/work/urbanag/bfbb_report.pdf
 

Nutrition - Better Food Means Better Learning
http://www.bridges4kids.org/Food+Learning.html - http://www.bridges4kids.org/Food+Learning.html
 
 
 
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/FamilyFoodExperts">

Our Family Food Experts, Dr. Sally Byrd and Food Consultant Ellen Briggs, interview food and health industry experts about the food we feed our families and how to make Better Food Choices that will make a difference in the health of our families. Visit us at BetterFoodChoices.com.

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Posted By: jacksdad
Date Posted: September 09 2009 at 1:05pm
   My kid's school showed the speech. He thought it was cool that the President would do that, and I'm sure the memory of it will stay with him for a long time. He's eight though, and I guess his attention span didn't run as long as the speech as he couldn't remember much in the way of specifics. No surprises there.
  After all the drama surrounding the speech I was a little worried about it's effect on him, but he still answers to his name and didn't wake up screaming in the night, so I guess we're okay... LOL

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Posted By: sjf53
Date Posted: September 10 2009 at 3:18pm
Update to my post on Sept 8, 2009 at 2:42 PM - Please review for this article.
 
Of course.... this Administration is not above using their influence to advance their policies and agenda. Right?
 
Lets see if you hear about this in the NY Times, CNN, NBC, ABC or other MSM media outlets.
 
Van Jones, Green Czar was to be a Big part of the festivities on 9/11 National Day of Service.
 
Did you hear anything about Van Jones in the MSM, NY Times, CNN, NBC, ABC etc...before his "resignation".  I think everyone should wonder why not.  It was a Big story.
 
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/10/glenn-beck-strikes-again_n_281986.html - Yosi Sergant, Administration Aide, Asked To Resign: Glenn Beck Strikes Again
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/10/glenn-beck-strikes-again_n_281986.html - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/10/glenn-beck-strikes-again_n_281986.html
 
Click on the above link for full article and  relating Videos.
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First Van Jones now Yosi Sergant
 
Glenn Beck has struck again.

Yosi Sergant, who recently popped up on Beck's radar for his involvement in a conference call on national service, has been asked to resign as communications director by the National Endowment for the Arts, sources familiar with the move tell the Huffington Post.

At issue was an August conference call in which the NEA encouraged select artists to participate in an administration project dubbed "United We Serve" and http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/22/michelle-obama-announces_n_219194.html - led by the first lady.

Beck attacked Sergant and the NEA on his Fox News talk show, accusing the agency of propaganda efforts similar to those used by Nazi Germany. And now Sergant has been tossed overboard, making him Beck's second victim in his campaign to rid the administration of perceived radicals, socialists, communists, fascists, anarchists and all other manner of nefarious influences.

Perhaps not coincidentally, both Sergant and Van Jones - Beck's first takedown - have roots in on-the-ground organizing and were tightly connected with the grassroots progressive community.

The NEA wouldn't comment on Sergant's situation specifically, saying that it was a confidential personnel matter.

The White House did not come to Sergant's defense but says it was not involved in asking him to leave. "The White House did not ask for Mr. Sergant's resignation," administration spokesman Shin Inouye told HuffPost.

But the NEA did provide this statement:

 

"On August tenth, the National Endowment for the Arts participated in a call with arts organizations to inform them of the president's call to national service. The White House office of public engagement also participated in the call, which provided information on how the Corporation for National and Community Service can assist groups interested in sponsoring service projects or having their members volunteer on other projects. This call was not a means to promote any legislative agenda and any suggestions to that end are simply false. The NEA regularly does outreach to various organizations to inform of the work we are doing and the resources available to them."

[UPDATE: The NEA adds this line to the statement: "As regards Yosi Sergant, he has not left the National Endowment for the Arts. He remains with the agency, although not as director of communications." Sources familiar with the situation say that the move represents a significant step down and was the result of the controversy. Discussion about his new duties is still ongoing.]

An artist on the call recorded it and gave the recording to Beck, who played it on air as proof of a government conspiracy to co-opt arts organizations and warp the minds of Americans. "Your government is trying to trick you, use your tax dollars to change your mind. It's called propaganda. The people involved in the conference call, including the White House, knew that this was on the fence if not outright illegal," says Beck.

Sergant has a long history with the Obama campaign, having led the media effort for Shepard Fairey, the artist behind the iconic "Hope" portrait that Obama has credited with helping him win. (See this http://www.laweekly.com/2008-09-11/columns/yosi-sergant-and-the-art-of-change-the-publicist-behind-shepard-fairey-39-s-obama-hope-posters/ - L.A. Weekly profile to get a feel for Sergant.)

On Sept. 1, Beck came after Sergant. After claiming that Nazi propaganda was based on America's early 20th-century progressive movement, Beck says that the progressives are at it again.

The Corporation for National and Community Service is a public-private partnership created in 1993 with a mission similar to one Obama pressed during his campaign, during which he repeatedly promoted national and community service.

For Beck, however, the service promotion is a specter of totalitarianism and he interviewed an artist who said that he was uncomfortable working in coordination with the White House.

WATCH Videos associated with article by clicking the link at the top of the article.

The Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2009/sep/01/official-dishonesty-national-endowment-arts/ - editorial page also came after Sergant, asking if the NEA had invited artists to be on the conference call.

"The NEA didn't invite...We were a participant in a call. It was a third party that did the invitation," Sergant told the conservative page.

The Times published an invite that Sergant had sent out, saying it had caught him committing "official dishonesty." It's a nice gotcha, but would the Bush administration have cut such an aide loose?

Sergant didn't return a call and the NEA declined to comment further. Press officers with the Corporation for National and Community Service didn't immediately return calls.

Sergant is, by all accounts, a highly-talented grassroots organizer and promoter, but communications director for the NEA is a position that requires a high level of political dexterity: the arts agency is constantly under fire from extremist activists who see it as propagating a liberal, libertine agenda. The day the culture war is finally declared over, there will still be skirmishes over the NEA.

UPDATE: The initial story about Sergant and the NEA conference call first appeared on the conservative blog http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/author/pcourrielche/ - Big Hollywood , which is run by Andrew Breitbart, a friend and ally of Matt Drudge, who runs the http://drudgereport.com/ - Drudge Report . Breitbart first ran a blog post by the artist later interviewed by Beck.

Ryan Grim is the author of http://www.amazon.com/This-Your-Country-Drugs-History/dp/0470167394/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1231014655&sr=1-1 - This Is Your Country On Drugs: The Secret History of Getting

 


Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 10 2009 at 3:34pm
Originally posted by sjf53 sjf53 wrote:

 
Of course.... this Administration is not above using their influence to advance their policies and agenda. Right?
 
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sjf
 
He is the President of The United States, which is the highest political office currently available in these United States. What did you want him to do (Babysit the chair) till you all get back??
 
Your Joking Right?


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Posted By: sjf53
Date Posted: September 10 2009 at 5:42pm
 ILLEGAL.  Listen to the Videos and Audio   And.... They knew that it was.
 
1.  the National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) is suppose to be apolitical in order to receive funds from the government,  it received 50 MILLION dollars from the stimulas package. Your TAX DOLLARS
 
2.   Using tax dollars to fund propaganda projects certainly borders on if not flat out ILEGAL
      The NEA can lose its funding. 
 
Look it up....In other words....using your tax dollars to pay for propaganda through the arts. 
 
Are you joking ....that you do not understand this?  Please.
 
 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2009/sep/01/official-dishonesty-national-endowment-arts/ - Official dishonesty from the National Endowment for the Arts - Water Cooler - Washington Times
 
Official dishonesty from the National Endowment for the Arts

By http://www.washingtontimes.com/users/kpicket/ - Kerry Picket on Sept. 1, 2009 into http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/ - Water Cooler

 

9/2/09 UPDATE: Video from Fox News Channel's http://www.foxnews.com/glennbeck/index.html - Glenn Beck playing excerpts from the August 10th conference call

9/2/09 UPDATE: Transcript of phone interview added.

On a http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2009/aug/27/art-obamas-sake-nea-pushes-white-house-agenda/ - previous blog , the Washington Times Water Cooler reported that we contacted the National Endowment for the Arts's (NEA) Yosi Sergant about an August 10th conference call invitation sent out to artists and other creative influence peddlers.  When asked if the NEA sent the invitation, Mr. Sergant http://media.washingtontimes.com/media/audio/2009/Sep/01/y_sergant_1-2.wav - denied the NEA had sent the invitations to any participants for the conference call and refused to send the Washington Times a copy of the invite.  http://media.washingtontimes.com/media/audio/2009/Sep/01/y_sergant_1-2.wav - AUDIO 

OPERATOR: Kerry?

WASHINGTON TIMES: Yeah?

OPERATOR: You have Yosi Sergant in the communications office.

WASHINGTON TIMES : Okay.

YOSI SERGANT: Hello?

WASHINGTON TIMES: Hi, this is Kerry Picket.  I’m calling from the Washington Times Editorial page.

SERGANT: Hi, Kerry.  How are you?

WASHINGTON TIMES: Fine thank you.  Hey, I understand that there was a conference call on August 10th that the NEA invited producers, artists, marketers, etcetera.

SERGANT:  The NEA didn’t invite…We were a participant in a call.  It was a third party that did the invitation. 

WASHINGTON TIMES: I see.  I was wondering If you could send me, if possible,  a copy of the invitation?

SERGANT: Umm…It didn’t come from us, so I don’t have it to distribute.  You’d go to them for that.

WASHINGTON TIMES: Uh-huh.  So who is the third party?

SERGANT – I believe it was Michael Skolnick.  This is something you should call the Corporation for National Service about.

WASHINGTON TIMES:  National Corporation of…I’m sorry?

SERGANT – The Corporation for National and Community Service.

WASHINGTON TIMES: Michael Skolnick?

SERGANT:  No, he’s a third party, but the Corporation who set up the conference call,  and who conducted the conference call is another federal agency.

WASHINGTON TIMES: Great.  Thank you.

 

 Yet, Big Hollywood's Patrick Courrielche was invited to participate in the August 10th pow-wow, and he posted the email invite from Yosi Sergant yesterday on Andrew Breitbart's http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/pcourrielche/2009/08/31/contradictions-are-revealing-politicizing-the-nea/ - Big Hollywood's website :

It looks as if Mr. Sergant seems to be playing fast and loose with the truth. The Washington Times called Mr. Sergant three times today to comment on this invitation that Mr. Courrielche had received from Mr. Sergant's NEA email, but we have not received a response yet.  This blog will be updated should new information come in. 

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propaganda. 
 
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" recently wrote a critique of the art community’s lack of dissent in the face of many controversial decisions made by the current administration. Entitled “ http://www.reason.com/news/show/135293.html - The Artist Formerly Known as Dissident ,” one of the key points argued in the article was the potential danger associated with the use of the art community as a tool of the state. Little did I know how quickly this concern would be elevated to an outright probability. "

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http://serve.artsusa.org/blog/entry/invitation-join-us-for-a-conference-call-with-the-white-house-this-thursday/ - Invitation: Join Us for a Conference Call With the White House This Thursday | Americans for the Arts
 
http://serve.artsusa.org/blog/entry/invitation-join-us-for-a-conference-call-with-the-white-house-this-thursday/ - http://serve.artsusa.org/blog/entry/invitation-join-us-for-a-conference-call-with-the-white-house-this-Thursday/   Click Here for article
 

"Even more disturbing than learning that the White House and NEA are using the arts to address specific issues, is to learn what was discussed on this new conference call. Rosenbaum mentions that there was much talk of “leveraging federal dollars” to get artists and cultural organizations involved in social-service projects. 

Leveraging federal dollars? This is the problem with marrying issue specific topics, like health care and energy, with a group that is funded by tax dollars; it increases the potential of taxpayer-funded propaganda"

 

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Mnewman

I think, from what he said in the conference call,he's checking with some Lawyers to see how legal what they are doing actually is.
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lanie

This is getting to be a routine dodge with members of this administration: "It wasn't us, it was a third party which was responsible." Frankly, I'm already sick of the disingenuousness of it.
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Des

I suppose this is what Obama meant by "transparent." The NEA is completely transparent when it comes to the level of sycophantic hero-worship of Obama among it's members.
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Mnewman

and who can forget "no controlling legal authority..."
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el_polacko

wow.. breitbart is breaking news ! good for him. i just want to echo 'lanie'... barack's m.o. since the beginning of his campaign has been to throw up his clean hands and blame that group of sycophants over there. it's tired, barack.
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rbloodworth

good job, breitbart! Not only does this Yosi guy not know how to tell the truth, especially about something so easily verified, he doesn't know you don't end a sentence with a preposition. I guess the Obamatrons respect the Rules of Grammar as much as they respect the Rule of Law and the Constitution.
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optionyout

Unbelieveably that only the conservative press covering this story. This country's media needs to wakeup. And there ought to be some serious inquires into how a nationally funded non-profit is pushing a partisan agenda. How the heck can they keep their charter?
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Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 11 2009 at 7:47am

Sjf

 

Hold on, you need to stay on the subject and complete the proof for your last Conspiracy Theory before you try to change the subject.

 

Where are the 2 separate speeches you claim the President had, fess up or debunk your conspiracy theory. You know the Communist recruitment speech, lets see it

 

As I figured it was just another wild fantasy, and in the real world we call this a Lie. But hey perhaps you could email Mr. credibility (Beck) he might fabricate one for you.

 



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Posted By: sjf53
Date Posted: September 11 2009 at 9:50pm

I figured you obviously had not read my posts.  It would have been  self evident if you did.

Why would They say they changed the wording of the speech and some of the curriulum material if there wasn't a first draft?  No Conspiracy. 
 
Please don't add words that I never said.  It makes you look desperate. "Communist" are
your words.
 
Yes, and We all know how truthful the MSM media is and how they report all the news.
 
The Van Jones Story wasn't even covered until he resigned.  It was a Big story for a whole
week with zero mention in the MSM.
 
I don't see these stories on CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS.........nor the print media.  .I wonder why?
Maybe tomorrow?
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,549241,00.html - Second Video Shows ACORN Officials Helping 'Pimp,' 'Prostitute' in Washington Office - Local News | News Articles | National .
Second video with evidence from a second ACORN office site that was caught as well. 
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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/ny_tax_funded_ex_terrorist_ktSaBCwrr6MDK2gMz7xqhN - http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/ny_tax_funded_ex_terrorist_ktSaBCwrr6MDK2gMz7xqhN
NY's Tax-Funded Ex-Terrorist   GREAT ARTICLE
Jeff Jones -  Founded the Weather Underground with Bill Ayers NOW
Director of Appollo Alliance organization Which wrote the Stimulus Bill for Obama.
 
 
BTW....How can you claim these are conpiracy theories if they are based in FACT.  So  you
can't handle the facts?
 
 
 


Posted By: sjf53
Date Posted: September 11 2009 at 10:49pm
Regarding Glenn Beck.................Have you watched his show or are you just reguritating the kool-aid propaganda?  
 
Name  one story that the WH or MSM has disputed that he has aired on this administration?  NOT ONE.  Maybe that is why the ratings and viewers are through the roof.    glennbeck.com/
 
Credibility?  The MSM media has done such a great  job investigating, ACORN  And Van Jones  to name a few.  Van Jones Green Czar -  Radical Ideology that was an advisor to the President.  Look him up...it is all on Google
 
 
Why didn't the MSM come up with the Jeremiah Wright, Van Jones, Jeff Jones, Acorn, NEA etc......Or did they know and choose to remain silent.  If so.. Why?
 
 
 
 
 


Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 12 2009 at 7:32am
sjf
 
Im sorry but if your equating Beck to anything with the word Truth, and some qualifier to the Truth, well you lost me and probably 3/4 of the population. The man gets paid to be mister conspiricy theory (Dont You Get It).
 
Its Opinion------Entertainment
 
Shall we run the Govenrment based on a set of Conspiricies. We just went through 8 years of that (No Thanks)


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Posted By: sjf53
Date Posted: September 12 2009 at 8:31am
 Mahashadin.........Then Show me your facts that he has utter ONE lie.  PLEASE you are desperate.  You haven't shown me on fact
that my posts are wrong. 
 
 Why is it now Van Jones (Green Czar) has had to resign.  Yosi Sergant (NEA) is out of his job.  4 people have been fired from
ACORN possibly facing criminal charges.   ACORN will not be part of the CENSUS as a result of this recent scandal.  Lies?
 
Don't demean the messenger.  Following the extreme left Alinsky's rule book, are we?
 

Not one person Beck has brought to the attention of his viewers has filed any kind of lawsuit against him for libel.  Beck was previously on CNN and will tell you he's an independent and went after Bush just as hard and his adminstration. He also has the show footage and radio cd's to back up what he has said on Bush and how much he disagreed with him.  Funny....it was OK when he was on CNN against Bush and the right.  Because he hamms it up a litte at times while telling the facts does not make them not the truth.

I am sure Olbermann and Matthews are not entertainment?
 
Where are your facts that he has lied?
 
Since this has gotten off the topic of this thread Please respond to my posts with one fact that disputes them. 
 
 
 


Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 12 2009 at 10:25pm

ACORN and the Census

June 26, 2009

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Q: Is ACORN providing workers for the 2010 census?

A: No. ACORN employees will not be taking the census. The group is one of more than 30,000 "partners" that will help publicize the event.

FULL QUESTION

Did the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) sign on as a "national partner" with the U.S. Census Bureau to sign up over 1 million temporary workers to help with the 2010 census?

FULL ANSWER

ACORN has indeed signed on to partner with the Census Bureau in connection with the 2010 census, along with about 30,000 http://2010.census.gov/partners/partners/current-partners.php - other groups  at the time of this writing. Others http://2010.census.gov/partners/partners/current-partners.php?A - under "A" include, for example, the American Statistical Association, the Asian Pacific American Legal Center, Avon Products Inc. and 57 additional organizations and corporations. The Census Bureau’s Web site includes an open  http://2010.census.gov/partners/partners/ - invitation to sign on, and the agency says it expects to have more than 100,000 partners by the time the process is over. That may even be an underestimate: In 2000, it signed up 140,000 partners.

We’ve received questions about ACORN’s activities in connection with the headcount ever since a http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/03/17/lawmakers-concerned-role-acorn-census/ - Fox News story , headlined "ACORN to play role in 2010 census," appeared in March. As retold by and filtered through blogs and chain e-mails, the news left some people with the impression that ACORN, the liberal community organizing group whose voter registration activities became an issue in last year’s presidential campaign, would be a big player in running the census effort.

ACORN "will be in charge of going door-to-door and collecting data from the American public," said Rep. Michele Bachmann in mid-June. "This is very concerning." Saying she was worried about ACORN’s supposed involvement in gathering census data, the Minnesota Republican  http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/17/exclusive-minn-lawmaker-fears-census-abuse/ - announced that she won’t participate in the census beyond answering how many individuals reside in her household, "because," she maintained, "the Constitution doesn’t require any information beyond that." Actually, the Constitution, under Article 1, Section 2, simply requires that an "enumeration" be done every 10 years to apportion the members of the House, but that it be done "in such manner" as Congress "shall by law direct." And Congress has seen fit to require everyone to answer truthfully whatever census questions they are asked, http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/13/221.html - under threat of a $100 penalty for failure to answer and $500 for lying.

And Bachmann is flat wrong about ACORN going door-to-door and gathering data. Being "partners" with the Census Bureau doesn’t entail as close a relationship as one might think. For the most part it involves http://2010.census.gov/2010census/pdf/SellSheet_Community_Based.pdf - getting the word out that it’s important for everyone to participate in the decennial event that helps determine where federal money goes and how House of Representatives district boundaries are redrawn.

Each partner group is asked to complete a form listing a series of possible activities with which it would be willing to help. ACORN’s form is on page 48 of a http://www.judicialwatch.org/files/documents/2009/Census_ACORN_Documents.pdf - package of documents  that was turned over to the watchdog group Judicial Watch by the Census Bureau under the Freedom of Information Act. ACORN checked off, among other items, "identify job candidates and/or distribute and display recruiting materials" and "provide space to train new [census] employees." But government officials have made it clear that that’s a far cry from having ACORN hire workers and conduct the census. At a hearing on April 23 before the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice and Science, Commerce Secretary Gary Locke responded to concerns about ACORN’s role voiced by a Republican senator:

Locke, April 23, 2009: [T]he Census will not be hiring anyone from ACORN. We use these so-called partners to get the word out and to spread the word about the need for people to respond and answer the questionnaires. …We control the hiring. We do not use any government funds to subcontract with any organization to do any activity. …We are not delegating anything to ACORN. 

The Census Bureau documents given to Judicial Watch also indicate that in March, after the Fox News story on ACORN’s Census partnership was published, the agency was swamped with angry calls. This was its response: 

Census Bureau statement, March 2009: Any charge of claim that a Census Bureau partner could influence or have direct input into census operations is baseless and inaccurate. The sole entity that will conduct the 2010 census is the U.S. Census Bureau, along with its hundreds of thousands of dedicated workers. Further, the Census Bureau has strict quality assurance procedures in every operation to prevent the introduction of errors and/or fraudulent information into the national count.

Census Bureau public affairs specialist Shelly Lowe elaborated on the hiring process in an interview with FactCheck.org, saying that "partners help us recruit by promoting the fact that we’re hiring," but they have no say in the actual hiring. The agency will need a whopping 1.2 million temporary workers to go door-to-door, Lowe said, but it isn’t hiring everyone who walks in. "There’s a test, an FBI background check and a fingerprint check" that every applicant must go through, Lowe said. "We look for language skills, and we need people in every community."

And just as not every job applicant is hired, not every group that wants to be a partner is accepted. On page 47 of the Judicial Watch materials, an internal agency e-mail sets out some of the types of groups that would be rejected, such as hate groups and law enforcement, anti-immigrant or other groups that might cause some people to be afraid to participate.

ACORN Critics 

Why all the attention to this community organizing outfit? ACORN has been a frequent target of conservative talk show hosts, including http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cg8wnT70M28 - Glenn Beck and http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_040809/content/01125112.guest.html - Rush Limbaugh, since last fall, when Sen. John McCain’s presidential campaign accused the group of "massive voter fraud" and claimed that Obama had "long and deep ties" to the group. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/acorn_accusations.html - We found the voter fraud claim to be false – although some canvassers from the group had been found guilty of or investigated for voter registration fraud – and the one about Obama’s involvement to be overstated, although he has had more contact with the group than he originally let on. Nevertheless, the allegations are still floating around the blogosphere and talk shows, where ACORN is being described as a criminal enterprise that sends partisans to the polls to vote multiple times using the names of people long dead. We’ve continued to monitor the various cases against and investigations of ACORN workers, and so far there’s been no evidence that fraudulent votes were cast as a result of anything they did. ACORN http://www.acorn.org/fileadmin/Vote/ACORNVoterRegistration.Myths_Facts.8pgs.pdf - describes and defends its voter registration work on its Web site.

The latest legal developments we’re aware of concerning ACORN are in Nevada and Pennsylvania. In Nevada, ACORN itself as well as the group’s former Las Vegas field director and its regional director for voter registration were http://www.lvrj.com/news/44354307.html - charged in May with multiple counts of compensating individuals for registering voters. This appears to be the first time the organization itself has been criminally charged in connection with voter registration. The problem, according to the state attorney general, is that it’s illegal in Nevada for someone to be paid based on the number of voters he or she registers; the attorney general said that ACORN used both a quota system to keep or fire workers and a bonus system that rewarded employees further for registering more than 20 voters in a day. State officials said that the alleged practices resulted in thousands of "garbage" registrations on the voter rolls, including the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys.

A spokesman for the group said then that the bonus system was "in violation of ACORN’s national policies" and that canvassers didn’t have to meet a strict quota. Bertha Lewis, ACORN’s CEO, http://www.lvrj.com/news/46898087.html - said at the time that the charges were "trumped up" and "outrageous," and that she was confident the group would be acquitted.

Also in May, the district attorney of Allegheny County, Pa., http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09127/968466-100.stm - charged seven ACORN workers with forgery and violating election law by filing hundreds of bogus voter registration forms last year. That investigation is continuing, the D.A. said. There have been no accusations in either Pennsylvania or Nevada that ACORN or its workers are connected with any instances of voters casting, or attempting to cast, ballots illegally.

We’ve also received some non-ACORN-related questions about the census, having to do with allegations that the White House plans to interfere with the process. When Obama nominated Republican Sen. Judd Gregg of New Hampshire to be secretary of commerce in February, some groups complained that he was no friend of the Census Bureau, having resisted an increase in its funding in the 1990s. Those objections prompted http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/02/05/census_director_to_report_to_w.html - assurances from the administration that senior White House aides would oversee the agency. But those assurances in turn triggered Republican cries that the White House was trying to politicize the census-taking process. Gregg http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/us/politics/13gregg.html - withdrew as a nominee, citing the census as one of his concerns, though the administration had clarified that it didn’t intend to run the headcount out of the White House. It said it would simply work with the agency’s director, a practice for which there is ample precedent. In March, White House http://www.rollcall.com/issues/54_100/news/33051-1.html?type=printer_fri - spokesman Ben LaBolt said :

White House spokesman Ben LaBolt, March 2009: The president wants to ensure that the census conducts a fair and accurate count. … The census director will report to the Commerce secretary. Like in every census under Democratic or Republican administrations there will be interest in Congress and at the White House in this national priority. 

Census spokeswoman Lowe further told us that the White House "has not proposed any organizational change. Given the scope and scale of the operation, in any census there is additional interest on behalf of the White House, as well as status updates, participation in promotional events, etc. The Census Bureau remains under the umbrella of the Department of Commerce."

–Viveca Novak

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/acorn-and-the-census/ - http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/acorn-and-the-census/
 


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Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 12 2009 at 10:35pm

Some more facts

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/acorn_accusations.html - http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/acorn_accusations.html
 


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Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 12 2009 at 10:41pm
So if I dont buy the Beck Conspirricy Machine as Fact I am a Lefty, is that right
 
I think you have seriously misjudged where the middle is
 
Well I am gonna stop there.
 
You know factchecking is not that difficult anymore.


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Posted By: Turboguy
Date Posted: September 13 2009 at 5:55am
Originally posted by Mahshadin Mahshadin wrote:

So if I dont buy the Beck Conspirricy Machine as Fact I am a Lefty, is that right
 
I think you have seriously misjudged where the middle is
 
Mahshadin, you are FAR, far from anywhere near middle. I agree with you regarding the conspiracy theories that flow from the mouths of loads of these idiots, but to label yourself anywhere near the middle is simply funny. I knew that about you the moment you said "Teabaggers" and "Proofers."
 
Here take this: http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/political-spectrum-quiz.html - http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/political-spectrum-quiz.html
 
Post the picture of where you are. I'll bet you're somewhat socially libertarian, but left. I am down five right two. Hardcore Libertarian, somewhat right
Compass:

You are a center-right social libertarian.
Right: 1.73, Libertarian: 5.76

 
 
 
 
Didn't you notice that Keith Olberman, the voice of the left and all twelve people that actually watch MSNBC, is trying desperately to dig up dirt, any kind of possible dirt on Glenn Beck? Yes Glenn tends to go full moonbat a little too often for my tastes, but that doesn't change the fact that on far too many issues he is dead on. I'm glad he was there to expose that communist idiot "Czar." I want him to continue to hit Barak Obama where it hurts most: His near absolute corruption.


Posted By: Mahshadin
Date Posted: September 13 2009 at 10:32am
Actually Turboguy I dont watch Olberman, or beck, I simply refuse to have someone else form my opinions based on their Radical filtation. I am quite capable of coming up with my own conclusions without the preconceptions being added.
 
Nice to see you again by the way. Always Interesting
 
I will check out your site looks like fun, but its football day and my fantasy team is on the field, so ill post it later
 
Are You REady For Some Football!!!!!!!!!


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Posted By: sjf53
Date Posted: September 13 2009 at 12:52pm
Regarding ACORN,  I don't think this story except the firings of employees has been covered in most of the Main Stream Media. Your newspaper may be one of them.  Maybe a tiny small article, if that.  Google it if you doubt my word.
 
Please read the current letter announcing this decision.   Why would Director Robert Groves of the Census Bureau need to write this letter if their were no ties?

"To that end, and in keeping with the standards we shared with your organization and others who volunteered to partner with the Census Bureau to help promote the 2010 Census, we are today terminating our Partnership Agreement with ACORN."

 
 
Watching football and Tennis myself....Go Cardinals !!!
 
http://whitehouse.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/09/11/us-census-bureau-severs-ties-with-controversial-group-acorn/ - » US Census Bureau Severs Ties with ACORN for 2010 Census, Fears Group’s Bad Reputation Could Undermine Count Row 2, Seat 4 «.
 

Read U.S. Census Bureau Director Robert Groves’ letter announcing the decision to sever ties with ACORN below.

September 11, 2009

Ms. Maude Hurd

President

ACORN

739 8th St SE

Washington, DC 20003

Dear Ms. Hurd:

The goal of the U.S. Census Bureau's partnership program is to combine the strengths of state, local, and tribal governments, community-based organizations, faith-based organizations, schools, media, businesses and others to ensure an accurate 2010 Census. While not (sic) Census bureau employees, partners are advocates for census cooperation and participation. They serve a trusted voices within their communities and are critical to our strategy to count everyone once, only once, and in the right place.

The Census Bureau has established criteria for partnerships, which are listed on our Web site at <www.census.gov >, and reserves the right to decline partnership or to terminate an existing partnership agreement with any group that 1) may create a negative connotation for the Census Bureau; 2) could distract from the Census Bureau's mission; or, 3) may make people fearful of participating in the census.

To that end, and in keeping with the standards we shared with your organization and others who volunteered to partner with the Census Bureau to help promote the 2010 Census, we are today terminating our Partnership Agreement with ACORN.

Over the last several months, through ongoing communication with our regional offices, it is clear that ACORN's affiliation with the 2010 Census promotion has caused sufficient concern in the general public, has indeed become a distraction from our mission, and may even become a discouragement to public cooperation, negatively impacting 2010 Census efforts.

While not decisive factors in this decision, recent events concerning several local offices of ACORN have added to the worsening negative perceptions of ACORN and its affiliation with our partnership efforts.

We do not come to this decision lightly. It was our original assessment that your organization could be helpful in encouraging cooperation with the 2010 Census among individuals who are historically hard to count, including renters, low-income residents, the linguistically isolated, and others. As of today, we have close to 80,000 partnership agreements with national and local groups - many of whom are trusted voices and serve these same populations - and we will be relying upon those groups to continue our outreach in the communities you serve. The full participation of those populations remains of utmost importance to us.

Unfortunately, we no longer have confidence that our national partnership agreement is being effectively managed through your many local offices. For the reasons stated, we therefore have decided to terminate the partnership.

Respectfully,

Robert M. Groves

Director

 


Posted By: sjf53
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 5:40pm
The Main Stream Media are not covering some important stories.  Unbelieveable considering it is our tax dollars. the history of ACORN  and that millions of dollars are being abused.   Why isn't this being focused on by the MSM ? Who is telling the networks, cable and print newspapers to ignore these stories?  Van Jones?  NEA?  (2 Million given to NEA )?  are just a few of the stories
I know I have not seen these stories on my local TV stations or in my local newspaper.
Except on Fox.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/09/14/dan-gainor-acorn-media-ignore/ - http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/09/14/dan-gainor-acorn-media-ignore/   Click for full article
 

ACORN Story Grows But Mainstream Media Refuse to Cover It

This story has everything you could ever want – corruption, sleazy actions at tax-funded organizations, firings, government ties, sex, hookers. It is a network news director’s dream. Imagine the ratings. But almost no one is covering it. 

 
 
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/14/senate-votes-cut-acorn-housing-funding/ - Senate Votes to Cut Off ACORN Housing Funding - Political News - FOXNews.com
 
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/14/senate-votes-cut-acorn-housing-funding/ - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/14/senate-votes-cut-acorn-housing-funding/
Click for full article

The Senate voted to cut off ACORN Housing funds following the release of three videotapes that show employees of the activist group advising a "pimp" and "prostitute" on how to break the law.




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