US situation/civil unrest
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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Subject: US situation/civil unrest
Date Posted: May 29 2020 at 6:51am
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[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/05/begun-the-civil-wars-of-2020-have-.html[/url], [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cnn-crew-arrested-while-covering-minneapolis-riots[/url], Russia [url]https://www.rt.com/usa/490085-twitter-violence-trump-rule-violation/[/url] see also [url]https://minnesota.liveuamap.com/[/url] and [url] https://usa.liveuamap.com/[/url], [url]http://www.minnecam.com/[/url] If Chauvin and Floyd were not meeting for the first time in the moments before Floyd’s death, that could potentially mean that there was a deeper motive behind the murder. If true, this could make the difference between a manslaughter charge or a murder charge. DJ-This item is easy to become "political"-did the CNN team not leave an area, react to a police order ? There is widespread dissatisfaction (both in and outside the US). The corona-crisis does have major consequences on all area's of all people. From income, health, job security to NPI/lockdowns etc. How "out of control"can the US "situation" get (DJ-In my personal view I would feel very frustrated with the presidential candidates-both white old men who should be looking for retirement NOT running the US) ? Is there a risk of "gangs" already widespread in the US becoming "warlords"? US government only able to control some area's when they patrol them in armoured vehicles (like in some Brazil area's, Northern Ireland during the "troubles") ? Is there a risk of this kind of widespread-politicized-unrest in other countries ? Brazil-yes, Europe ? Russia ? During a second wave ? What is-in the US "situation" wisdom ? "Send in the military" or talks on basic income security ? Or both ? America is quickly descending into chaos as social unrest could spread to other major cities this weekend. Wealth inequality in many inner cities is at record levels. More than 40 million people are unemployed with a crashed economy, and people are already furious about virus lockdowns. This all suggests a perfect storm of unrest could flare up across the country. We warned of the possibility of this in late March, " https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/west-faces-social-bomb-pandemic-sparks-unrest-among-poorest" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; display: inline; color: rgb(30, 67, 154); text-decoration: none; - West Faces "Social Bomb" As Pandemic Sparks Unrest Among Poorest ." DJ-lots of people are not waiting for any riots-eventhough a lot of them agree with basic points of protest (the police should protect citizens, not kill them). "This is a developing story" ------------- We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. ~Albert Einstein |
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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: May 29 2020 at 7:02am
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DJ; Since the Chinese article gives a good summary of a major decades old problem I put it here; Editor's note: CGTN's First Voice provides instant commentary on breaking stories. The daily column clarifies emerging issues and better defines the news agenda, offering a Chinese perspective on the latest global events. How many times have U.S. politicians called for reform in the law enforcement system when it comes to race-related issues? Probably too many to count. And how many times have law enforcement operations led to public outcries after reforms were called? Perhaps even more. On May 25, 46-year-old African-American restaurant worker https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-05-29/U-S-braced-for-more-protests-over-police-killing-of-black-man-QSFaBcPCbS/index.html" style="box-sizing: border-box; outline: 0px; background-color: transparent; color: rgb(74, 74, 74); text-decoration: underline; - George Floyd died after a white police officer pressed his knee on his neck for more than eight minutes in Minneapolis, Minnesota. "Please, please. I can't breathe" were Floyd's last words. In the days after his death, "I can't breathe" became a rallying cry across the state of Minnesota and swept across the rest of the United States. Protests erupted in multiple cities in states like California, Ohio, Colorado, Massachusetts and, of course, Minnesota itself. In many places, violence and chaos took over. In Denver, protesters marched through downtown and temporarily prevented cars from entering a freeway. Local police fired tear gas and pepper bullets into the group to clear the area. In Columbus, Ohio, police used pepper spray to disperse protesters on the streets. And in Minnesota, the state authority was dealing with the third night of unrest. On Thursday night, protesters reportedly took over Minneapolis police department's 3rd Precinct Building and set the it ablaze. The governor of Minnesota has deployed more than 500 troops of Minnesota's National Guard in an attempt to quell the unrest and restore order. Vanity Fair calls Floyd's death a "boiling point in America after weeks of sustained racist and violent incidents." But, for a country that has witnessed intensifying racial tension in recent years, the pot just seems to be boiling too often with a solution far out of sight. According to the U.S. Department of Justice, the imprisonment rate for African-American men is nearly six times the rate for white men. Despite rising income among African-American households, Brookings Institute released an analysis in February this year saying that the net worth of a typical white family is still almost ten times a black family's. Amid the current COVID-19 pandemic, statistics from U.S. Center for Disease Control and Prevention shows that nearly 23 percent of reported COVID-19 fatalities are African American, even though this particular racial group only makes up 13 percent of total U.S. population. Seeds to unrest have already been set, and all it takes for it to blow up is one incident. What doesn't help is the current U.S. administration's attitude and actions. Besides the fact that Donald Trump only won eight percent of African-American votes in 2016, CNN reported in mid-May that 79 percent of African Americans believe the federal government is doing badly in stemming the coronavirus, compared to 50 percent of white people who believe the same. And the administration has indeed demonstrated a cavalier attitude towards race-related issues. Just two weeks ago, President Trump sparred with a Chinese-American CBS News reporter during a press conference, accusing her of asking "nasty question" and saying that she should "ask China." His eagerness to push for reopening the economy is argued by some as putting minorities in danger. Camara Phyllis Jones, adjunct associate professor at the Morehouse School fo Medicine, said during an interview with The Hill that minority communities are hit harder because they are poorer, tend to have more chronic diseases, lack access to healthcare and long-term investment in the community. Trump's response, argued by Jones, hasn't really addressed these problems and the "push to reopen the economy puts those communities further at risk." Whether George Floyd's death would lead to meaningful changes is still unclear. Police, protests and politics seem to have become a routine set of factors when it comes to race in the United States. It doesn't hurt to hope that something positive could come out of this. But realistically speaking, holding out too much hope could mean greater disappointment. Scriptwriter: Huang Jiyuan (If you want to contribute and have specific expertise, please contact us at opinions@cgtn.com.) ------------- We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. ~Albert Einstein |
Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: May 30 2020 at 10:48pm
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DJ-When I look at the Dutch situation for [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennials[/url] ; They face debts after studies that were supposed to bring them jobs-due to the coronacrisis partly gone. They face a housing crisis-unless you have a very rich supporter it may take years before you can get enough money to buy a house-if you want "social rent" in most urban area's you may face at least a decade waitinglist. Still a lot of the "milennials" still have a job, a house, can deal with possible debts-not all did a study that put them in debt. There is "dissatisfaction" that their age group may have to pay for the people that will retire. In most cases people can stop paid jobs at 67-68. Our pensionfunds belong to the biggest investors in the world-and they did suffer in their investments-but next to pensions we do have a social law-insurance in wich those who now work pay for those that can no longer work-for age, health reasons, study etc. Our political system is far from perfect-but we have several main parties to choose from-a lot of smaller parties from left to right, religious, animal rights. Our police makes mistakes, sometimes turns out to be racist. There is a problem getting people in the police with a non-Dutch background. Also women may be under-represented. And yes there may be some problems with corruption, people getting/staying in jobs they did showed to be not good at. But it is not a major problem-we are not perfect-but on the [url]https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2020/03/20/ranked-20-happiest-countries-2020/#7f4684ce7850[/url] we do belong in the top 10. The picture I have for the US is that millennials there may feel they lost their future-no job security, housing in major cities even a bigger problem than in NL. Healthcare, study often expensive. And elections being stolen by white men over 70 that show sexism, racism-for both "parties" that may have lost touch with a lot of young people. The corona-crisis made things worse fast. And politics seem to fail-no testing, limited care. The millennials see Covid 19 often as a problem for older folks-their (grand) parents-but they care for them-would like to defend them. The political tensions were rising, racist tensions were there all the time-with people of color now also more often getting Covid19 and die than white people. The latest US presidential election in itself created an explosive mix. That mix got activated by Covid19 exploded by a white policeman-unfit for his job-again killing a person for no good reason. This police murder was only a trigger-the explosives were already there. The present US "situation" is extreme-one may find something like this in Brazil. [url]https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/us-population/[/url] The US has a relative young population for a western country. When you look at income inequality, public healthcare, infrastructure, crime the US looks like a "very rich third world country". To quote Peak Prosperity "it does not have to be that way". (Of course PP is one of many also reporting the FED buying up stocks to keep the rich rich. ) The outlook for the US-in my opinion-is bad. Political, economic, social reforms are needed-but the two main political "parties" represent those that benefit from status quo-not change. Militarizing the police, using the National Guard, Army may make things escalate even further. A "second wave" of Covid19 in the US is on its way-increasing tensions, inequality even further. The explosive mix will most likely become even more explosive. Burning down shops does not help-but when you protest and politics does not listen-to a very wide group of the population (that voted first Obama for change, then Trump for change-each time feeling betrayed) you may find a "motor" for lasting unrest. ------------- We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. ~Albert Einstein |
Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 12:06am
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Good analysis from Australia; the US being in a crisis since sept-11 2001, Obama 'black" president but not president for "black" people. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm5xLiZvFJM[/url] [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/spains-socialist-pm-pushes-another-2-week-lockdown-extension-global-covid-19-cases[/url], [url]https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/california/[/url] a.o. in California sharp increase in cases. ------------- We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. ~Albert Einstein |
Posted By: Pixie
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 5:04pm
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https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/national-guard-troops-deployed-white-house-trump-calls/story?id=71004151 - Trump says he is mobilizing 'heavily armed' military to stop protests In a dramatic escalation of a national crisis, National Guard troops were deployed near the White House Monday evening hours after President https://abcnews.go.com/alerts/donald-trump - Donald Trump said he wanted a military show of force against violent protests gripping the country. Shortly after, Trump came to the White House Rose Garden to call himself the "law and order" president, saying "domestic terrorism" was to blame for the unrest. "As we speak, I am dispatching thousands and thousands of heavily armed soldiers, military personnel, and law enforcement officers to stop the rioting, looting, vandalism, assaults, and the wanton destruction of property," he said. "We will end it now." He said he may invoke the 1807 Insurrection Act, which permits a president to deploy military inside the U.S. to deal with civil disorder. Several truckloads of DC National Guard troops had arrived near Lafayette Park. A U.S. official said that active duty Army military police units from Fort Bragg, North Carolina, were preparing to be on standby in the Washington, D.C. area Monday night after three days of violent protests. The National Guard troops are going to be protecting national monuments, the White House, property, and infrastructure, the official said. He said at another point: "It is a war in a certain sense and we're gonna end it fast.” In a surprising statement, the president told the governors he is putting Joint Chiefs Chairman Milley, his top military adviser, “in charge” of the response to the domestic protests. The president did not explain what he meant by putting Milley “in charge.” "We're going to clamp down very strongly," he said, later adding, "We're going to do something that people haven't seen before." He did not elaborate. |
Posted By: WitchMisspelled
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 5:38pm
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This is not going to go well. |
Posted By: Pixie
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 5:44pm
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Posted By: Taxman100
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 5:47pm
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He is using the playbook of dictators, inflict as much carnage and devastation as possible to force people back to their homes. I predict in the US this will result in more people coming out to protest. He is literally putting fuel on the fire. ------------- Together we succeed |
Posted By: WitchMisspelled
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 6:51pm
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Funny you should say that. Reuters confirmed a call between Trump and Putin today before the governor teleconference. It only confirms they talked about G7... but who knows?
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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 8:29pm
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DJ-A further escalation of tensions will make the Covid19 pandemic only far more worse. If Trump believes "all opposition is terrorism" he may be moving the US into a civil war..... It is good that there are examples of police in Flint Michigan-joining the demonstration because also "Black Lives Matter" (who can not agree with that ?). In Miami-Florida police kneeled and apologized for wrong doing by their collegues elsewere... We just saw a big demonstration in Amsterdam-NL, outside the US "the world is watching". The G7-meetings itself often bring a lot of protests-I would not be surprised if it would become a "tele-meeting" or moved outside the US for 2020. (DJ-My impression is "the world" is getting fed up with Trump. His moving the US out of all international treaties he did not sign (from the Iran-deal to the WHO-during a pandemic) is "not welcome". Blaming China for his own inaction in this pandemic-while the third world is getting killed by it-may be the last push putting the US outside the international community.) ------------- We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. ~Albert Einstein |
Posted By: EdwinSm,
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 10:51pm
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My general concern for any pandemic is that it will lead to some sort of civil unraveling. The latter I was afraid could cause more deaths and suffering than the illness itself. [<-- I was more afraid of human over reaction being the 'slate-wiper' than an actual disease.] My top guess was that the trigger for the civil unrest would have been over food shortages, but in the case of the USA it seems to have been the cold blooded murder by a policeman that caused race riots. Given the large number of people who have lost their jobs and the limited (by the standard of other western democracies) safety nets for the unemployed, I can see the temptation to go out to loot ("we have lost so much, let us take something back"). The trouble is that this leads to a downward spiral as businesses that are open are destroyed leading to more unemployment, and more shortage of goods, and more poverty, and another round of rioting etc. The downward spiral is also being encouraged by the White House in suggesting counter action that seems designed to inflame the whole situation. I pray that somehow this spiral intent on unraveling American society can be halted before it is too late. But with the high unemployment and frustration that the SARS-Cov2 virus has cause, I am afraid that putting the breaks on will be much harder than at normal times. |
Posted By: CRS, DrPH
Date Posted: June 01 2020 at 11:19pm
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Indeed, that is the aim of at least some of the participants in this unrest over here, DJ! There are far right groups agitating for a massive civil war that involves elements of white on black/brown race war, insurrection of the US Constitution and other stuff. The code word for these types is "boogaloo," please see this: https://www.adl.org/blog/the-boogaloo-extremists-new-slang-term-for-a-coming-civil-war - https://www.adl.org/blog/the-boogaloo-extremists-new-slang-term-for-a-coming-civil-war ------------- CRS, DrPH |
Dutch Josh wrote:Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 12:29am
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[url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/06/its-true-.html[/url]; I think this relevant to how fractured the discourse is. it's a repost from my litter watering hole. I know it’s going to be difficult to accept what I’m about to say because people get very invested in their chosen narratives, but it’s important that you at least be exposed to the notion that it’s all true. It’s true that people engaged in peaceful protests. It’s hard work, I know. But I have faith in you. ------------- We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. ~Albert Einstein |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 1:36am
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Dictator's Playbook. 1, Silence the press CHECK 2, Vaunt your brilliance and take all credit CHECK 3, Fire/shoot all dissenters CHECK 4, Suppress the masses CHECK 5, Close borders CHECK ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 2:15am
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sieg heil......mein furher...... ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đź–– Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 2:40am
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DJ-Trump his approach may be shocking for European leaders, it will further damage EU-US relations. From Dutch press-MSM-often not critical; [url]https://www.gelderlander.nl/buitenland/president-trump-dreigt-het-leger-in-te-zetten-tegen-gewelddadige-protesten~ad1dba8e/[/url] (google translate);
Trump said he has instructed governors of the United States to deploy military personnel from the National Guard. They should "dominate" the streets. If they don't, he threatens to send the national army. "If a city or state refuses to take the measures necessary to protect the lives and property of residents, I will send the US military and solve the problem quickly for them," Trump said. The army is already going to deploy military police in Washington. Trump spoke of "thousands and thousands of heavily armed soldiers, military personnel, and agents" to stop the riots. Several members of the city council were shocked. "Protesters are calling for an end to the violence by the police and the state, and the President is firing up on them by calling them terrorists and sending the army into our town to enforce the mayor's curfew. Councilor David Grosso wrote on Twitter. "I am your president of order and justice, and an ally of all peaceful protesters," said Trump, who rightly said they are "sick" from the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis, who was suffocated by agents. But just before the speech, Washington police used tear gas to force peaceful protesters to leave the White House gate so the president could walk to a damaged church nearby for a photo opportunity. Trump held up a Bible in front of boarded up St. John's Church and declared the US the "greatest country in the world." A fire was set on Sunday evening in the basement of the church. Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde of the Episcopalian Church couldn't believe what she saw and believes the church was abused, she told CNN. “The President used a Bible and one of my diocese's churches without permission as a background to a message that contradicts the teachings of Jesus and everything our churches stand for. I am deeply indignant. " ------------- We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. ~Albert Einstein |
Posted By: WitchMisspelled
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 4:27am
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The stakes are high for the U.S. that's for sure. I can't help but think the U.S. Military has been in the middle east for three decades trying to tamp down insurrection. I'm not sure why anyone thinks it would work on domestic soil. Just sayin'... |
Posted By: Pixie
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 5:31am
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Posted By: Pixie
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 6:02am
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https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/06/02/aclu-demands-congressional-probe-politically-motivated-attack-peaceful-protest - ACLU Demands Congressional Probe Into 'Politically-Motivated' Attack on Peaceful Protest Outside Trump White House "This appears to be grossly unjustified use of a dangerous chemical weapon on protesters and raises serious human rights concerns under international law," the civil liberties group said. |
Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 7:45am
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DJ-Some say the present US situation is worst since MLK murder in 1968-more and more it seems to develop beyond that...Trump threatening to put the US military against US citizens seems to have made things worse. From Zero Hedge [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/tensions-erupt-nation-burns-following-trump-threats-military-force-against-protesters[/url]; Multiple Dead/Injured As Rioters Target Cops After Trump's Threat Of Military Force Fails To Deter 7th Night Of ViolenceSummary:
* * * Update (1018ET): Ahead of expected social unrest in Washington, D.C., on Tuesday afternoon/evening -- Peter Baker, the chief White House correspondent for The New York Times, has just tweeted a picture of what appears to be a new fence erected around the White House. President Trump on Monday evening threatened to https://www.zerohedge.com/political/6-killed-thousands-arrested-26-states-called-national-guard-quell-3rd-night-chaos" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; display: inline; color: rgb(30, 67, 154); text-decoration: none; - activate federal troops if governors and city mayors did not act to suppress continuing social unrest across major metros over the killing of George Floyd. After the president spoke, the situation across the country rapidly deteriorated into the evening, as riots continued for the seventh straight day. Protests were organized in more than 200 cities. Many of the demonstrations began peacefully but turned violent by evening. About 140 cities saw riots, resulting in government officials in 40 metro areas to impose strict curfews. New York City issued its first curfew on Monday, which was the first time an official curfew was imposed in the city since 1943. (DJ !!!!!!!!!!) At the moment, and growing by the day, 23 states and the District of Columbia have activated National Guard troops to support local law enforcement in restoring order. Customs and Border Protection https://www.zerohedge.com/political/track-it-here-reaper-drone-takes-flight-monday-amid-worsening-riots-across-america" style='box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-numeric: inherit; font-variant-east-asian: inherit; font-weight: 400; font-stretch: inherit; font-size: 13.1px; line-height: inherit; font-family: lucida_granderegular, "Lucida Grande", Verdana, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline; display: inline; color: rgb(30, 67, 154); text-decoration: none; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);'>flew their military surveillance drone on Monday afternoon, though our report didn't specify if it was monitoring unrest in any city. However, it appeared the drone was conducting a mock surveillance mission of a metro area. Here are some of the most important developments from the overnight:
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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 8:40am
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This is increasingly looking like the start of civil war. The protests are well warranted, but the violence is not. Most of that is probably not from 'real' protesters, but people taking advantage of the chaos. It is a 'great' opportunity for theft and revenge. A few genuine protesters may think escalation a good idea, I believe most don't, but it only takes one bad apple to sour the barrel. Sadly this is not going to help things. Neither is Trump's stance. Calling for more brutal control, when brutal control is the very reason for the protests, is not exactly smart. The less said about the treatment of the peaceful protestors outside the White House last night, to get a photo op., is beyond my ability to describe. Although I heard the bishop of the church in question was quite scathing of his behaviour. Even Carrie Lamb pointed out this was excessive government control by violence. She called him a hypocrite. I have to agree. I always prepped for a pandemic, but I never expected to see one. Now people are talking of civil war the same way. This is awful! ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 9:21am
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"This is awfull"!!!! Techno-I could not agree more, It is good clever people speak up now-how to get out of this crisis ? DJ-The way I see things-to put it very basic, simple; 2 things: -The way you got into a problem will most likely tell you something of how to get out of that problem. -Describing the problem often is describing the solution as well. A "civil war" in the US caused by people losing all faith in its institutions only will have one outcome. "The State" wins, and that is no solution ! [url]https://www.zerohedge.com/political/were-thick-it-now-what-happens-next[/url] ; It’s with an extremely heavy heart that I sit down to write today’s post. Although widespread civil unrest was easy to predict, it doesn’t make the situation any less sad and dangerous. We’re in the thick of it now, and how we respond will likely determine the direction of the country for decades to come. If the combination of peaceful protesting, looting and violence witnessed across American cities over the past few days completely caught you off guard, you’re likely to come to the worst possible conclusion about what to do next. The knee-jerk response I’m already seeing from many is to crush the dissent by all means necessary, but that’s exactly how you give the imperial state and oligarchy more power. Power it will never relinquish. What’s happening in America right now is what happens in a failed state. Good read, ------------- We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. ~Albert Einstein |
Posted By: WitchMisspelled
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 10:15am
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A small bit of perspective here. The insurrection act has only been enacted at a Governor's request. It has never been enacted because a President thought it should be. There are major constitutional issues if this happens. Legally the Governors can decline U.S. Military action in their states. June is going to be a very hard month for Trump, for a lot of reasons. SCOTUS decisions pertaining to his taxes and the Mueller report are expected to be released in June. |
Posted By: Thorne!
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 11:23am
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It appears to me that much of the rioting/looting/violence is artificial, organized, funded. By whom? Soros? Faction(s) of the US elite political class (left, right, both in on it)? International? There are a number of powerful people and factions who would further the decline of the U.S. Hegelian dialectic in action. |
Posted By: WitchMisspelled
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 11:45am
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My Antifa nephew would argue you to distraction, but I think you've pretty much covered it. It's not one, it's not the other, it's everyone. It may be pandemic driven, but something has changed here. This isn't going to go away like the other deaths have. Trump threatening to curtail civil liberties and bring in the military went a long way to fan the flames to prolong things. |
Posted By: JellyMama
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 12:03pm
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Trump was damned if he didn’t, and is damned for doing so. He said the right thing and it needs to be clamped down, instead of pussy footing around it. We are a country with laws , yet the left doesn’t want them enforced. It’s time to do so now. And you lefties make it sound like they’ll be using their guns. Not true either. |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 12:32pm
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Bit of actual facts here. Curious where do you come up with your statements as if they were actual facts? Yes the District of Columbia does have a national guard unit and a air national guard unit as well and has since Thomas Jefferson founded it in 1802. The President is the CIC of the NG of DC. And the Insurrection Act of 1807 does not require the authority of the governors of the state and has been used at least 5 times in the past in fact without consent of the governor of the states in which federal troops have been used. In fact JFK used the act to end the Ole Miss riot of 1962 without consent. Bush used the act in 1992 with consent to end the Rodney King riots. The act gives the President authority to quell civil disorder, insurrection and rebellion within the US using federal military assets. The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if it— (1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or (2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws. In any situation covered by clause (1), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution. And your fanciful tale of a military coup is liberal wishful thinking on so many levels as is your "civil war" scenario, but then again it's kinda like your "facts". I fail to see how using the military to quell civil unrest to stop the looting and burning and restore law and order is escalating anything, when the governors have failed to provide their citizens with law and order. No one is saying they can't protest, they are saying you can't riot and loot and burn shit down. |
Posted By: AandEM
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 12:33pm
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What role does Steve Bannon play in fanning the flames? It is reported that Trump has some advisors encouraging him to call for calm (Kushner) but that Steven Miller, who talks to Steve Bannon daily, is encouraging "a show of strength." We have Bannon to thank for Brexit, and he doesn't even try to hide his alt-right ideology. He is obsessed with "the Fourth Turning" and works to dismantle as many democratic institutions as possible. He seems to be forgiven for his "Fire and Fury" quote and has been invited back into the fold. |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 1:51pm
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Absolutely ...... ....WitchMisspelled Where has force with force worked..... Dont Forget American is HATED all the Middle East for the Invasions....etc Islamic State and others would be pouring Fuel on the fires, and as I said in a previous post, i'm waiting for the suicide bombers taking the field..... Just saying..... ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đź–– Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 2:00pm
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I suggest folks read "Long walk to freedom" Nelson Mandela..... And look what happend after the Sharkville Massacre...... "Spear of the Nation" That's what happend...... End of..... Apartheid...... Eventually.......thankfully..... ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đź–– Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 2:14pm
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"I love the smell of tear gas,across the rose garden,smells like.....,smells like Victory son"..... https://youtu.be/sBksHaTQCbU - https://youtu.be/sBksHaTQCbU Pity about the result...... ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đź–– Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 3:04pm
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=165&v=ItopNgRQiuY&feature=emb_logo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=165&v=ItopNgRQiuY&feature=emb_logo She's completely right. She is looking at the problem as a whole, not just one piece of the problem. |
Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 4:10pm
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Where Trump went wrong was that he didn't stand up immediately and condemn those police officers for a racist murder. It's not as if there was no evidence, because it was filmed. If Trump had stood up straight away and said this would not be tolerated then things would have been different......perhaps. The trouble is Trump is a racist himself. No matter what he says to the contrary, he's a sexist and a racist. He says the right thing eventually but it's not believable. He can't say it with conviction because he doesn't believe it. He's all for the old (white) boys club and for maintaining the status quo, and thereby enabling him and his cronies to continue to make money. ------------- Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. |
Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 4:13pm
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Techno, I think you're right about a civil war. I have a number of close relatives who live in the states, and they've always joked with me that a civil war would be over and done with in 15 minutes because there's a gun behind every blade of grass in America. I'm bloody glad I don't live there. ------------- Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 4:18pm
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In that great democratic state of Illinois with some of the strictest firearm laws in the nation, in the democrat bastion that is Chicago. CHICAGO (CBS) — It was an incredible weekend of violence this past weekend for the City of Chicago. https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2020/06/02/weekend-of-violent-unrest-brought-about-alarming-number-of-shootings-in-chicago-many-deadly/ - https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2020/06/02/weekend-of-violent-unrest-brought-about-alarming-number-of-shootings-in-chicago-many-deadly/ https://graphics.suntimes.com/homicides/ - https://graphics.suntimes.com/homicides/ She was right black lives only matter and get attention if they are killed by a cop or a white person. |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 4:34pm
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Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 4:48pm
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I'm off to bed. It's late here in the UK, it's so late it's getting early. So I can't be bothered with the whole argument thing. One point though. It all matters. Every life. Every lost opportunity, every trapped poverty stricken person, every person killed on the streets, by police or otherwise. Every person without food, a home, adequate healthcare or expectation of justice. Every one without hope of improvement of their lot. 'And every black person afraid to go out, for fear of the police. Come to that, every white person staying home for the same reason. It should not matter what colour a person is. Everyone should get a fair crack at life. If the police kill 1 black man, that is one too many. The actual numbers only make this worse. They are not statistics, they are people. 'And yes they kill white people too. People do not trust the police, with good reason. They do not trust the justice system, for the same reason. The cop who killed this unarmed man was only charged with murder after an irrefutable video emerged. HE HAD DONE IT BEFORE! THERE WAS NO ATTEMPT AT CENSURE THOSE TIMES. HIS GOON SQUAD STILL WALK FREE THIS TIME. Law and order work with the assistance and licence of the people, unless you are in a dictatorship. The people have spoken, they are still speaking. They are saying the police are just officially sanctioned buillies. They are saying we should all be accepted as equal. They say, even if it is unfair now, give us a promise things will improve. Trump says, just bully them harder! That is not the rule of law; that is opression and the words of a dictator. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: JellyMama
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 5:46pm
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Trump did speak out several times. On Friday, on Saturday but I guess you missed it. Can’t figure out how to post the link. I’m curious, what facts do you have that Trump is a racist, other than the news and other politicians calling him one? |
Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 10:33pm
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I don't understand why you're taking every comment on here personally. You're seem to think it's your job to defend each and every thing about America and it's clouding your judgement over what's good or bad. Four white cops on one black man? He was essentially killed by pressure on his carotid artery. The question is would those 4 cops have reacted in the same way to a 46 year old white man? I very much doubt it. No one's attacking you personally AI. I hope you can see that. Surely even you can watch the video of George Floyds death and see that it was excessive. He was handcuffed and lying on his front. He was no threat to anyone. And still they killed him. Watch the video and see if you can swallow your patriotic pride and admit that an American did something wrong. ------------- Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. |
Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 11:01pm
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DJ-After first blaming China for Covid19 (and they did make mistakes) now blame China for the US riots ? [url]https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/bug-out-from-the-cities-now-today-covert-intel-riots-and-looting-are-planned-insurrection-being-steered-by-democrat-elected-officials-and-democrat-party-leaders-in-several-states-funded-by-the-usual-suspects-weapons-being-shipped-in-by-china-for-rioters[/url] =insane ! [url]https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/06/trump-calls-up-military-for-law-and-order-stunt.html[/url] ; Replacing the police with the military will only escalate the situation. Violence begets violence. But creating more 'resistance' may well be Trump's plan. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is today https://twitter.com/APDiploWriter/status/1267793398423052288" style="color: rgb(153, 51, 0); text-decoration: underline; - meeting with "Tiananmen Square survivors". He will probably ask how China managed to suppress that https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/06/tiananmen-square-do-the-media-say-what-really-happened.html" style="color: rgb(153, 51, 0); text-decoration: underline; - U.S. sponsored insurgency . Can Trump learn from it? Is a Tiananmen like moment https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/06/He%20may%20urge%20Trump%20to%20learn%20from%20it" style="color: rgb(153, 51, 0); text-decoration: underline; - what Trump wants to happen to rally his base? Or is it all just a head fake that will be canceled in time? Has someone in the White House considered how much damage these bizarre developments do to U.S. soft power and its foreign policy? U.S. adversaries point out the hypocrisy of U.S. behavior at home and its rhetoric against them. U.S. allies just cringe. An Australian TV crew was https://twitter.com/Beltrew/status/1267711663077294080" style="color: rgb(153, 51, 0); text-decoration: underline; - punched by police live on air. The Australian Prime Minister called for an investigation. A crew of the German government financed DW News was https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1267119897806397442" style="color: rgb(153, 51, 0); text-decoration: underline; - attacked https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/1267421669892784128" style="color: rgb(153, 51, 0); text-decoration: underline; - twice by police plus threatened with arrest. This caused the German Foreign Minister to https://twitter.com/marceldirsus/status/1267801355764326400" style="color: rgb(153, 51, 0); text-decoration: underline; - speak out against targeting journalists. These U.S. 'allies' have to explain their population why they still succumb to U.S. policies. That part of their job is getting harder and harder. If Trump sends in the military it will become impossible. ------------- We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. ~Albert Einstein |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: June 02 2020 at 11:47pm
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You know I don't pretend to know much about New Zealand politics, society, the criminal system or the problems there so I don't speak to it or criticize it. But that's what you should do when you are uninformed and without actual first hand experience or knowledge on subject matter. Perhaps your time would be best spent considering that when continually negatively commenting on the US. Something to consider............ Nice try at character assassination but it's as weak as your facts are. And who is we? Do you presume to speak for everyone? |
Posted By: Usk
Date Posted: June 03 2020 at 12:51am
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Amen AI. I am with you on this. Also can we move this thread to political? What is going on right now is the sad commentary on what humanity has become Regardless of color of skin country of birth or moral values. The months of self isolation and concern for safety of oneself and others to an enemy we can not see has resulted in this powder keg release of emotions. The Floyd event was just the spark that set it off. But it could have been anything. In general most people are protesting peacefully and many in the crowds now are squashing any one who starts something more. The message needs to prevail here. All lives matter. Everyone who lives in a free and I mean truly free society has the right and responsibility |
Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: June 03 2020 at 1:24am
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You are a funny little man aren't you? It's not just my comments you have a little tantrum over, it's everyones. You sound like a boomer, and I bet you are one. A white one. ------------- Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: June 03 2020 at 2:20am
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i suppose shooting an unarmed jogger is not Racist either!!!!?...... "strange fruit on that poplar tree"....... Racism is ingrained in America....... My cousin lives in Wisconsin (expat) she says she can't understand why Americans ,Who say they are so religious Are so RACIST So I'll ask you Americans Why does it seem that White Americans (some of)are so anti Black..... After all it was whitey that took them all there.....and that was only because the Irish slaves couldn't stand the heat on them plantations...... You might need to fact check that, about the Irish, not Black peoples..... ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đź–– Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: ksc
Date Posted: June 03 2020 at 2:50am
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Probably for the same reasons Australians are considered some of the most racist people in the world... https://listovative.com/top-12-most-racist-countries-in-the-world/ - https://listovative.com/top-12-most-racist-countries-in-the-world/ https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/10/australia-is-deplorably-racist-as-people-of-colour-are-reminded-when-they-speak-up - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/10/australia-is-deplorably-racist-as-people-of-colour-are-reminded-when-they-speak-up Australia is deplorably racist. It was founded on a racist document and hasn’t improved. |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: June 03 2020 at 3:20am
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Australia is the most successful multicultural society in the world, uniting a multitude of cultures, experiences, beliefs, and traditions. We owe our accomplishments as a nation to the contributions of more than 300 different ancestries-from the First Australians to the newest arrivals. Have you ever been outside the USA? most Americans dont even own a passport,so I hear..... I live here, and don't find anything like the racism that's in your Country..... I don't see people calling the police on a person for jogging...... Bird watching, even entering their own apartment.....(.and getting shot!!!!!) So how many Black people do you know? I did ask AI the same question, I was deafened by the silence,...... Because he usually pipes up I take it he dosnt know any..... So any comment from any of you if you don't know any people of a different Race or Colour Or been for a coffee or BBQ at their house is Facile........ Because if you don't mix with people who maybe different than you It's easy to treat them as a sub human...... And your life is greatly diminished ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đź–– Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: June 03 2020 at 3:23am
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Southern trees bear a strange fruit Blood on the leaves and blood at the root Black bodies swingin' in the Southern breeze Strange fruit hangin' from the poplar trees Pastoral scene of the gallant South The bulgin' eyes and the twisted mouth Scent of magnolias sweet and fresh Then the sudden smell of burnin' flesh Here is a fruit for the crows to pluck For the rain to gather For the wind to suck For the sun to rot For the tree to drop Here is a strange and bitter crop Source: Musixmatch Songwriters: Allan LewisStrange Fruit lyrics © Music Sales Corp All countries are racist to an extent, including those who are majority black (Just look at Zimbabwe). But Australian police are nowhere near as brutal as American ones and they are moving towards a fairer society. That's the important bit, where they are heading*. The first step towards dealing with such problems is to acknowledge them. Australia did that decades ago, as did the UK. We are all still imperfect, but we know this and seek to improve. The USA government does not seem to see this. They are still arguing over whether or not Trump is a racist: "His wife is Eastern European; he can't be racist!" - "But she is not black and he does seem to be colour prejudiced!" Tell America it has a problem and get attacked for your trouble. Tell anyone else and be listened to. *Ksc, the list you posted is 6 years old and we move on.................... That is the whole point. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: June 03 2020 at 3:27am
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44158098 - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44158098 ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đź–– Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: June 03 2020 at 3:40am
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I remember an old boyfriend of mine (white) visiting California a few years ago. He leant out of his rental car's window and asked a Policeman for directions (a normal thing to do in the UK). He was dragged out of the car at gunpoint - for asking directions! If your police are that brutal and even a smidgeon racist as well, the resultant horror faced by people of color must be profound. The police must be viewed as "THE ENEMY". This is not a recipe for a law abiding society. Oh! 'And I moved the thread to politics. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: June 03 2020 at 3:40am
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Atlanta, sitting in your car, Window smashed, Tazered, Arrested , Wrist broken.... FOR WHAT......Crime Being born with a Black Skin....... You have a Big problem America.... ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đź–– Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: June 03 2020 at 3:57am
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Now it's here in PP What the hell was Chump doing waving a Bible Around..... As though he had a devine message from the Supreme Being..... What a Oranged Faced Clown. The whole Show was like watching, A FAKE wrestler on WWF......making an enterance Mind the audience he was playing to.....was A bunch of Extras from Deliverance..... That's his supporter BASE..... BASE.... being the operative word..... .. ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đź–– Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: WitchMisspelled
Date Posted: June 03 2020 at 5:52am
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AI, you're right. I was wrong. DC DOES have national guard unit. Hope it gives you the warm and tinglies. However it doesn't alter or invalidate my view. In fact, it reinforces it further. If DC does, in fact, have a national guard, why was active military called in instead of just the national guard? It was an unnecessary show of force against citizens. He was playing tin soldiers. |
Posted By: Pixie
Date Posted: June 03 2020 at 10:45am
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Posted By: Pixie
Date Posted: June 03 2020 at 11:27am
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https://nypost.com/2020/06/02/saks-fifth-avenue-is-wrapped-in-razor-wire-to-prevent-looting/ - https://nypost.com/2020/06/02/saks-fifth-avenue-is-wrapped-in-razor-wire-to-prevent-looting Razor wire, German Shepards, pit bulls and armed guards... |
Posted By: Pixie
Date Posted: June 03 2020 at 12:52pm
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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/500964-un-identified-military-personnel-extend-perimeter-around-the-white - Un-identified military personnel extend perimeter around the White House The Hill reached out to the Department of Justice, Pentagon, White House and Park Police to ask what agency the military personnel came from. The Park Police said the police force was not theirs. Thaddeus Hoffmeister, a law professor at the University of Dayton, said Armed Forces personnel are generally required to wear identifiers. "As a general rule, members of the Army (Active Duty, National Guard, and Reserves) must wear an identifiable uniform,” Hoffmeister said. “The folks you see without an identifiable uniform are primarily federal law enforcement who don't have the same requirements." |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: June 03 2020 at 3:14pm
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I Love seeing the Mass demonstrations,without the riots, WELL DONE ALL YOU GOOD PEOPLE ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đź–– Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: June 03 2020 at 3:37pm
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Let's see what the natives of Australia think 2019. Racism in Australia: Australia’s Top 10 racist towns and citiesRacism is widespread throughout Australia and the worst of it is targeted towards Aboriginal populations. Our poll has revealed the 10 most racist towns and cities in Australia.Australia’s colonial history is full of racism which began with claims of terra nullius and a campaign to exterminate our race as settlers from the UK claimed we were some kind of inferior sub species of human, more closely related to animals. Today racism continues on. It is present in every town and city across Australia but there are some towns and cities where racism is so upfront that we often see disturbing news reports reaching national and international headlines. Racism isn’t something that you can measure precisely. Some areas are more outwardly racist than others, while some areas display a more subtle or even subconscious discrimination in places such as the health, education, justice and employment sectors. And a word to any kind souls reading this. Trying to approach us on the street to tell us your a good one only serves to make you feel better. Instead of trying to rid yourselves of guilt, how about challenging those being racist and asking why more isn’t being done to stamp it out? Your one minute chats often make no real difference to our lives when we know the big players like the government and the media are hell bent on marginalising our people. We need to see widespread education campaigns in our schools and in the media to really get our attention and show us that Australia is serious about repairing the damage done by decades of discrimination. https://www.welcometocountry.org/australias-top-10-racist-towns-cities/ - https://www.welcometocountry.org/australias-top-10-racist-towns-cities/ Doesn't look like the aboriginal natives of Australia think that the country has done much to work on it. Well here's something very recent indeed on racism in Australia, today in fact. Despite 432 Indigenous deaths in custody since 1991, no one has ever been convicted. Racist silence and complicity are to blame Do you know about https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/13/david-dungay-jr-dies-in-custody-and-his-family-are-changed-forever-photo-essay" style="color: rgb(85, 87, 104); text-decoration: underline; outline: none; white-space: pre-wrap; overflow-wrap: break-word; - David Dungay Jr ? He was a Dunghutti man, an uncle. He had a talent for poetry that made his family endlessly proud. He was held down by six corrections officers in a prone position until he died and twice injected with sedatives because he ate rice crackers in his cell. Dungay’s https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/video/2018/jul/16/i-cant-breathe-footage-shows-david-dungays-death-in-custody-video" style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color: rgb(85, 87, 104); font-weight: 400; font-size: 12px; line-height: 1.4; text-decoration: underline; user-select: auto; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; outline: none; white-space: pre-wrap; overflow-wrap: break-word; - last words were also “I can’t breathe”. An officer replied “If you can talk, you can breathe”. Aunty Tanya Day, for instance, campaigned for justice for her uncle who died in custody and https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/the-point/article/2019/09/17/waiting-justice-inside-tanya-days-death-custody-inquest" style="color: rgb(85, 87, 104); text-decoration: underline; outline: none; white-space: pre-wrap; overflow-wrap: break-word; - later died in custody herself . The scale of devastation is unthinkable – and violent, and racist. What makes Australian silence about deaths in custody so especially bizarre is that, unlike the US, we have a mandatory legal review of every death in custody or police presence. Each case, regardless of its circumstances, goes before a judge called a coroner. Just as public political will is always changing, so is law and legal strategy. Compared to the campaigns for justice for black people killed by police in the US, which have made relative gains, many families here are working in a complex space of honouring their loved ones, proper cultural protocols around death and the dead, and securing CCTV footage https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/dec/15/weve-got-to-put-our-story-out-there-ms-dhus-family-prepare-for-verdict-on-death-in-custody" style="color: rgb(85, 87, 104); text-decoration: underline; outline: none; white-space: pre-wrap; overflow-wrap: break-word; - to mobilise the public for justice. https://theconversation.com/despite-432-indigenous-deaths-in-custody-since-1991-no-one-has-ever-been-convicted-racist-silence-and-complicity-are-to-blame-139873 - https://theconversation.com/despite-432-indigenous-deaths-in-custody-since-1991-no-one-has-ever-been-convicted-racist-silence-and-complicity-are-to-blame-139873 I could go on and on seems there's lot's of racism in AU. Perhaps Carbon should tend to his own house and help fix that before barging into someone else's and judging them. Up next New Zealand seems racism runs amok there as well and I'll highlight a few other problems as well. |
Posted By: AandEM
Date Posted: June 03 2020 at 4:00pm
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https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/?fbclid=IwAR2-Z1fWpOejaseaEV0EUBjDR3iQ7_BUxO8IHT7UF33p7jRfygk_W-yf1E8 - https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/?fbclid=IwAR2-Z1fWpOejaseaEV0EUBjDR3iQ7_BUxO8IHT7UF33p7jRfygk_W-yf1E8 If it's bad enough for Mattis to speak out in this way, it makes me even more worried. |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: June 03 2020 at 4:26pm
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Baker Boy, Australian Hip-Hop Star, Shares Powerful Statement on 'Rampant' Racism Down Underhttps://www.billboard.com/articles/news/9395153/baker-boy-rampant-racism-australia-post - https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/9395153/baker-boy-rampant-racism-australia-post Racist attacks spike in Australia, with anti-China politicians calling themselves ‘Wolverines’Australia has made some efforts to curb the racist attacks but gained little. Observers noted that mainstream society in Australia barely pays attention to discrimination against Chinese and Asian groups, which has also fueled racist incidents. In Australia, respecting the rights of original residents is "politically correct" while being anti-China is also "politically correct," observers noted. https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1189870.shtml - https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1189870.shtml Central Victorian Aboriginal leaders speak about systemic racism and injustice in Australia as Black Lives Matter movement ramps upThe family of https://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/6718194/coroner-refers-aboriginal-womans-death-in-custody-to-prosecutor/" style='box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-variant-numeric: inherit; font-variant-east-asian: inherit; font-weight: 300; font-stretch: inherit; font-size: 16px; line-height: inherit; font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(102, 179, 230) !important; text-decoration: none; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;'>Tanya Day, a Yorta Yorta woman who died after suffering a head injury in a police cell at Castlemaine, said it was a "stain on this country" that no police officer had ever been held criminally responsible the death of an Indigenous person in custody. https://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/6779756/there-is-something-wrong-with-our-system/ - https://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/6779756/there-is-something-wrong-with-our-system/ Wow seems your political parties are rife with racism, in fact your whole country. A revival of the "white austrialia policy" doesn't sound like progress is being made in the racism dept. That's racist as fuck and you allow that in your country and in your government. Interesting your view of racism in AU is completely different than actual reality. Are you sure you live in the same country as this? Your perceptions don't seem to correlate with anything these native peoples and minorities are experiencing due to the rampant racism in Australia. And why isn't your government doing more to stop these gross racially motivated injustices and murders, it must be lead by racist from the top down. That would explain why not one single police officer has EVER been accountable for the deaths of aboriginals due to excessive police violence. You really need to reform your government it's been out of control for decades allowing this to go on. Hardly civilized behavior. |
Posted By: Pixie
Date Posted: June 03 2020 at 5:58pm
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[QUOTE=AandEM] https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/?fbclid=IwAR2-Z1fWpOejaseaEV0EUBjDR3iQ7_BUxO8IHT7UF33p7jRfygk_W-yf1E8 - https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/?fbclid=IwAR2-Z1fWpOejaseaEV0EUBjDR3iQ7_BUxO8IHT7UF33p7jRfygk_W-yf1E8 If it's bad enough for Mattis to speak out in this way, it makes me even more worried. [/QUOTE] Didn’t take him long to attack Mattis https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump"> https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - Donald J. Trump https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - @realDonaldTrump · https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1268344372648718337 - 1m Probably the only thing Barack Obama and I have in common is that we both had the honor of firing Jim Mattis, the world’s most overrated General. I asked for his letter of resignation, & felt great about. His nickname was “Chaos”, which I didn’t like, & changed it to “Mad Dog”... 275 661 2.3K https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump"> https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - Donald J. Trump https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump - @realDonaldTrump · https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1268344377262424070 - 1m ....His primary strength was not military, but rather personal public relations. I gave him a new life, things to do, and battles to win, but he seldom “brought home the bacon”. I didn’t like his “leadership” style or much else about him, and many others agree. Glad he is gone! |
Posted By: WitchMisspelled
Date Posted: June 03 2020 at 6:06pm
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Bureau of Prisons have deployed special operations resource teams. So... The White House is being protected by prison guards.
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/unmarked-police-officers-dc-riots-bureau-of-prisons-riot-squads/65-bc1c42a7-b05b-490c-9dab-eebb1b1bba20 - https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/unmarked-police-officers-dc-riots-bureau-of-prisons-riot-squads/65-bc1c42a7-b05b-490c-9dab-eebb1b1bba20 |
Posted By: Pixie
Date Posted: June 03 2020 at 6:17pm
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Esper will be the next one on the chopping block.... https://www.timesofisrael.com/pentagon-trump-clash-breaks-open-over-military-and-protests/ - https://www.timesofisrael.com/pentagon-trump-clash-breaks-open-over-military-and-protests/ WASHINGTON (AP) — US President Donald Trump’s Pentagon chief shot down his idea of using troops to quell protests across the United States Wednesday, then reversed course on pulling part of the 82nd Airborne Division off standby in an extraordinary clash between the US military and its commander in chief. Esper angered Trump early Wednesday when he said he opposed using military troops for law enforcement, seemingly taking the teeth out of the president’s threat to use the Insurrection Act. Esper said the 1807 law should be invoked in the United States “only in the most urgent and dire of situations.” He added, “We are not in one of those situations now.” After his subsequent visit to the White House, the Pentagon abruptly overturned an earlier decision to send a couple hundred active-duty soldiers home from the Washington, DC, region, a public sign of the growing tensions with the White House amid mounting criticism that the Pentagon was being politicized in response to the protests. |
Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: June 03 2020 at 6:22pm
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That really made me laugh. ------------- Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: June 03 2020 at 10:14pm
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Well Chump is a Clown......with a Bible!!!!! AI.... When we have problems like you have in your country then you might be able to say something, We have problems here, yes but its nowhere near your Stuffed up country , The Native people here gave a perfect right to complain about the treatment they get off our cops... BUT ITS NOWHERE Americas level of injustice...... To their Black citizens..... Your a Sick country....America But you can't see it..... You need to get out of Hicksville and travel..... I bet you don't have a passport...... You seem a bit insular..... Go to a country where you are the only white man In a store..... See what you think then, go trekking in Nepal, visit Sri Lanka visit Africa...... Wander the World it might broaden your mind...... Trouble is how much can a peanut brain hold..... Not ALOT........ ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đź–– Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: June 03 2020 at 10:23pm
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Why would you like to make another ageist comment? Tell me did you mean "boomer' in a derogatory or discriminatory manner? What manner did you mean it? Do you have a problem with older generations of white people? Why do you think that is you do? How long have you felt the need to degenerate based on age? Peaceful protesting, the right thing to do. Go world!! |
Posted By: EdwinSm,
Date Posted: June 03 2020 at 10:37pm
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I noticed that is was a CLOSED Bible. It would be best to remain closed, or he might just happen on the part where the whole 'law' is being summed up and the second of two sections is about "love your neighbour as your self". Or he might come across the part where in answer to the question "who is my neighbour?" the story includes a despised foreigner as the answer. |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: June 03 2020 at 10:52pm
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FFS you can't even see the pervasive racism in your government . And this was in 2018!!!!! The Australian Senate has narrowly voted down a motion condemning “anti-white racism”, despite government senators voting for the controversial statement echoing alt-right rhetoric. On Monday the Senate voted 31 to 28 to reject a motion put by Pauline Hanson – the leader of the anti-immigrant nativist One Nation party – which acknowledged the “deplorable rise of anti-white racism and attacks on Western civilisation” and “it is OK to be white”. https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/oct/15/ok-to-be-white-australian-government-senators-condemn-anti-white-racism - https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/oct/15/ok-to-be-white-australian-government-senators-condemn-anti-white-racism https://i1.wp.com/ajp.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/white-christmas.jpg?fit=2048%2C1152&ssl=1" itemprop="image" rel="bookmark" style='box-sizing: inherit; touch-action: manipulation; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); word-break: break-word; text-decoration: none; color: inherit; display: block; width: 740px; font-family: "Open Sans"; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;' title="Photo by © G.W. Helon: Australia 2016."> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3371284/Racist-Golliwog-dolls-flying-shelves-Australian-toy-stores-Christmas.html" style="color: rgb(102, 0, 153); text-decoration: none; - 'Racist' Golliwog dolls flying off shelves of Australian ...https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3371284/Racist-Golliwog-dolls-flying-shelves... https://www.bing.com/search?q=golliwog+doll+australia+selling+out+fast&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&pq=golliwog+doll+australia+selling+out+fast&sc=1-40&sk=&cvid=9A6F651757C448D1B05C7020E9D08A1B#" style="color: rgb(102, 0, 153); text-decoration: none; font-family: Roboto, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); -
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That is an extremely racist and demeaning store display. That would not stand in the US at least not for the last 30 or 40 years or more. This was 2016 in Australia and they were selling out as fast as they could get them. Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 12:17am
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ITS your sick country the WHOLE WORLD IS DISGUSTED AT..... NOT MINE Please don't swear..... YOU LOSE when do..... I NEVER READ YOUR POSTS..... Only the last bit of dribble that comes forth..... Have you got a passport ? To get out of HICKSVILLE......LMAO you really have a SMALL TOWN ATTITUDE...... SAD LITTLE BOY.... NO WONDER YOU LOVE CHUMP CLOWNS LOVE CLOWNS...... ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.đź–– Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 2:47am
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Carbon, be polite! That was a bit too personal. You can attack a person's opionion, but not themselves. AI swearing is not permitted. Please moderate your language. If you do not, I, or one of my colleagues, will moderate it for you. That post you made with the swearing in is hidden. We are not an over 18 site. You also are getting too personal. You are allowed to disagree with Witchy, but not to call her names. Putting it more simply: "Play nice!" That was Technophobe the Moderator speaking. Now for Technophobe the member of AFT - with her own opinions. AI, there is a difference between art and science and how they adapt over time. Both build upon the past, and rightly venerate it. But only the expressions of art remain timeless. (I love Bach even though I also love Lou Reed and I'm growing very fond of Ed Sheeran too. My taste encompases several ages. I am pleased to report I do not believe in phlogiston, "the brain is a waste disposal organ*" or a flat Earth. As science grows the axiomatic errors are removed.) So, demographic statistics change over time. The hidden post contained out of date demographics too. As I said, all these countries are racist, but they recognise the problems and are dealing (sometimes badly it's true) with them. America is in the previous state of denial - IMHO. * Aristotle. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: WitchMisspelled
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 5:55am
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Oops! See my next post. |
Posted By: WitchMisspelled
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 5:59am
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Considering the Op Ed pieces replete with Cherry Picked facts you post, I find this truly laughable. Dare I say it? I dare! I dare! Hypocritical of you. Relax, dude. Look at it this way: Just as everyone has an a$$holes, everyone has an opinion. But you're not going to change their opinion with cherry picked facts skewed in a way they're just too smart to swallow. I find it interesting (and very revealing of who you are) that those you attack and call "over opinionated" are the very same people who don't swallow. |
Posted By: WitchMisspelled
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 6:01am
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I think you need to call out AI for calling KiwiMum a shrill. It was uncalled for. |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 10:02am
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Posted By: AI
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 11:22am
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I fail to see where an article from 2018 regarding systemic racism condoned and actually voted on by the Australian Senate is anywhere related to "a change in demographic's". Likewise I fail to see where an article from 2015/16 where racist dolls were sold en mass to the public in Australia is anywhere related to "a change in demograpics". Both are highly relevant to the conversation of racism in Australia and racism in general. Is it your contention that the "demographics" have changed so much in 2 and 5 years respectively that the information relating to systematic and widespread racism in Australian government and public as purveyed by the accurate information as presented is without merit? That's quite recent history and as such has direct bearing on the conversation of racism at hand. You post a racist song from 1954 and that is acceptable even though the demographic and society has changed drastically in 66 years!!! Talk about changing demographics. So I removed the foul language there is no reason not to restore the post and the information contained therein. |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 1:46pm
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It is restored. Thank you.
But published statistics can be cherry-picked and are only as accurate as their collectors, collators and interpreters. They also ignore underlying drives which also affect figures. ALL OF WHICH misses the REAL point; Irrespective of numbers, some police action is abhorrent and only dealt with because public opinion insists upon it and has irrefutable proof. This was apparently not Chauvun's first transgression, but it was the first prossecuted and the first to have been filmed. What a strange coincidance! The other officers at the scene also stood back and did nothing (except prevent rescue) while an unarmed man, who was already handcuffed and no threat to anyone, was brutally murdered. This does not say anything positive about justice in Maryland. Yes, the police may have 'good' reason to have become racists, but that is still unacceptable whatever their reasons. It breeds more problems too. I am Irish. I am not a member of the IRA, the Real IRA, Continuity IRA, or any other terrorist group. It would be wrong to assume I am, just because I'm Irish. As far as the gollywogs go, it IS insulting, so is calling me thick mick or selling leprecauns, but a whole lot better than murdering me in the street. Finally, speaking as a moderator once more: "Dont call anyone a shrill, whomsoever it is aimed at." ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 2:24pm
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Well said Witchy. I think there's a number 4 as well: that AI uses insults as a distraction tool to change the subject matter away from discussing racism in America or anything that in any way detracts from the movie image of America as the leader of the world, or the president as anything other than the leader of the free world. But let's face it, Trump is the polar opposite of any of the presidents that we've seen on disaster movies played as reliable, sober, balanced statesmen by actors such as Morgan Freeman. Funny, sad, little man. And I meant boomer in terms of Ok Boomer. ------------- Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. |
Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 2:39pm
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Oh and I don't mind being called Shrill. It's a weak man's knee jerk insult to an intelligent woman who has an opinion and isn't frightened to voice it. You're a sad little man AI. ------------- Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 4:18pm
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I think I'm developing a split personality............. Technophobe the mod says: "Careful KiwiMom, that too was a bit personal." Technophobe the me says: "Well said!" ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 4:41pm
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Posted By: AI
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 4:53pm
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And your above post proves my point perfectly, you didn't mention the problem of racism once, just politics. And by the way you do know TV and the movies aren't real right. |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 4:53pm
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You are still being personally rude AI. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: WitchMisspelled
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 5:17pm
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No. My pet peeve is fake and misleading news. What I've seen you post can certainly be validated except that the cherry picked facts are misleading. |
Posted By: WitchMisspelled
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 5:24pm
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You do this all the time AI. You hide behind your "facts" so you can deny being political. |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 5:25pm
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Posted By: Hazelpad
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 5:38pm
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This thread is an embarrassment. A hostile circus.Why do you insist on keeping it in both the main forum under " latest news" and under politics. You announced days ago you were moving it but that hasn't happened and it remains top of the news everyday. It is the first thing that anyone sees when they come on here. Imagine visiting this forum for the first time and this is what you are hit with under "latest news" section. What has this to do with pandemic and prepping. If I came here and had read all this back in 2009 I wouldn't have wasted my time. Why this can't be moved to political section is beyond me. In addition a moderator should have protected some of the posters who have clearly become over emotional and posted some very personal experiences and opinions in the hope of wining some points recently. Once calm I am sure some people must squirm that they have realise how much they have revealed about themselves and their experiences on an international forum. If threads like this had been moved to a less instantly accessable part of the forum (political) some posters could have been protected more. I know I won't ever feel comfortable conversing with quite a few of the people on this forum now, after seeing what they are really like. If it had been moved to political I wouldn't have read any of it. Technophobe you also seem to be encouraging this. I know you say you put your moderator hat on and then off and then on again, often within the same post, that's just silly. Honestly you are too caught up in all this. I know you aren't meaning it, but when you are saying I am moderator and here's my opinion and now I am non moderator 2 lines later, it comes across as though you are blurring the boundaries. You are one of the main participants and of course you are entitled to your say but this has turned nasty on all sides. Quote in one line you say Technophobe the mod says: "Careful KiwiMom, that too was a bit personal." In the very next line you say... Technophobe the me says: "Well said!" So imagine I come on this forum looking to see what it's about possibly thinking of joining. Go to "latest news"click on first story and all I read is screeds of hostility, oh but here is the moderator right in the midst of it telling someone to stop insulting someone else but 2 lines later she is praising the same person for saying it. Doesnt look very great does it. Seems you are abusing your position to wind someone up. So we are reading these comments from you in the "latest news". Please tell me what they are to do with latest news on the pandemic. You are not helping to diffuse anything.
Good thread that turned into a total embarrasment. Can't believe I recommended this forum to some of my workmates. Now I am embarrassed. . |
Posted By: WitchMisspelled
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 5:38pm
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I think I'm a little older than you, being a boomer myself. I can tell you that in my generation, there are very few men who can handle an intelligent woman. Even fewer who appreciate a woman smarter than they are. |
Posted By: AI
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 5:41pm
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The other one I have no idea perhaps post the link and yes I generally do post a link as a rule if I am citing information. And no I am not hiding behind any facts. If I have something to say I say it. I would think that's obvious. |
Posted By: Pixie
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 6:15pm
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https://www.inquirer.com/news/fishtown-george-floyd-protests-philadelphia-bats-hammers-20200602.html - Philly police stood by as men with baseball bats ‘protected’ Fishtown. Some residents were assaulted and threatened. City officials Tuesday pledged to crack down on what they called simmering vigilantism after as many as 100 men armed with baseball bats and hammers roamed the Fishtown section for hours Monday night, saying they were protecting police and local businesses from protesters. At least two people said they were assaulted by members of the group, including a reporter who tweeted that he was beaten and bloodied after filming the scene. Others said they were screamed at, spit on, or threatened with racist or homophobic slurs. Photos circulated of police officers taking photos with the bat-wielding men on the streets more than two hours after the citywide 6 p.m. curfew. Mayor Jim Kenney on Tuesday criticized how police handled the group, saying: “We tolerated it last night for too long, and that was a mistake.” The mayor said the group’s actions were “antagonistic” and the city doesn’t condone “armed vigilantism.” He said he was “disturbed” by reports of officers high-fiving members of the group, and Police Commissioner Danielle Outlaw said the force does not condone “any form of vigilante justice or taking the law into one’s own hands.” The group began congregating about 5 p.m. as rumors circulated that protesters might target the 26th District station. By the curfew, dozens of people — almost entirely men — had gathered, some chatting with officers. Many had baseball bats. Some had hammers, golf clubs, and pipes. By about 6:30, Police Capt. William Fisher said, “Thanks for your help, you got to go home.” A small group of protesters assembled on the other side of the avenue. One woman held a sign reading “Black Lives Matter” when two men broke off from the group and shouted “All Lives Matter.” She said one of the men spat on her, telling her that he “has COVID.” The woman spoke with The Inquirer on the condition of anonymity out of fear of retaliation. “The fact that these guys felt emboldened to go after us like that, in front of the whole neighborhood and in front of cops, I worry what they would do to someone who is more vulnerable when no one is looking," she said. After the exchange, a reporter watched Fisher discuss the incident with the protesters. He repeatedly told the woman who was spit on that the men were "allowed to be out here with bats. Scott Hearn said he walked by the crowd when a truck pulled up and a man got out with a hatchet. Hearn said he yelled: “This guy has an ax!” https://twitter.com/jwehrens/status/1267598902842347520 - A video posted to social media by a WHYY reporter who was later assaulted shows the man then yelling to Hearn: “Mind your own f—ing business, you’re lucky I ain’t got my f—ing gun.” Hearn said he asked an officer, “Are you going to do anything about this? He has a weapon." He said the officer told him to “stop escalating the situation.” The man with the hatchet walked back into the crowd.. |
Posted By: Pixie
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 6:32pm
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/33802/military-helicopters-descend-on-washington-in-bizarre-very-low-altitude-show-of-force - Some of the helicopters have held a hover right over groups of people, hitting them with their rotor wash and the deafening sound of their rotors and engines. This comes after President Donald Trump https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/33799/this-is-what-the-insurrection-act-of-1807-is-and-how-trump-could-try-to-use-it - announced he had ordered hardline measures against protesters and rioters in the nation's capital, including the deployment of additional national guardsmen, federal troops, and federal law enforcement officers. It also seems bizarrely dangerous. If something were to have happened to the helicopter, it could have quickly fallen into the crowd, offering them little chance to get out of the way. The risk of rotor wash sending debris flying either into the helicopter or toward people on the ground is another risk from this kind of flight profile, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rlZULvhfL0 - especially in a dense urban environment . There is no surveillance value added by hovering at that low of an altitude, quite the contrary actually. While some of the UH-60s may be from the 12th Aviation Battalion, Doug Davies, who also goes by the Twitter handle https://twitter.com/Dougilis - @Dougilis , spotted a Black Hawk flying around D.C. just as the curfew took hold that appears, by every indication, to be one that belongs to https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/30152/this-is-our-best-look-yet-at-the-elite-fbi-hostage-rescue-teams-black-hawks - the FBI's elite Hostage Rescue Team (HRT) . He was kind enough to share some pictures of it that he took, seen below, with us. This raises the possibility that at least some of the UH-60s involved in these show of force missions may belong to the FBI. As you can see, the UH-60 in question has fully equipped operators, replete with suppressed carbines, hanging out of their doors, some of which have four-tube night vision goggles mounted on their helmets. HRT is America's most elite special tactics unit.
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Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 7:36pm
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Pixie, we were watching this weird chopper activity on a live stream and it almost looked as if they were trying to blow the protestors over and out of the way, like a giant leaf blower. I'm sure there must be health and safety regulations about using a chopper like this in a crowded area. It appears that Trump is panicking and doesn't know what to do next. We saw coverage of a demonstration where 60 police officers took a knee and diffused the tension entirely and the protest remained peaceful, and then at the other extreme we've seen peaceful protestors being met with aggression and being needlessly attacked by the police and then the tension has ramped up and the whole protest as become violent. There seems to be no cohesive central government in charge, it's just individual police "states" deciding how they are going to address these protests, and some are more successful than others. ------------- Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. |
Posted By: KiwiMum
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 8:01pm
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Hazelpad, this thread does come up in the political posts on my computer. I agree with you about a good post gone bad. The way I see it (on this particular thread and a few others) is that AI is a new member who joined in Jan 2020 and he, for some unknown reason, takes every single thing said about Trump or America as a personal sleight. The result is he quotes someone's post and rips into them personally and is rude and aggressive as he does so. Now we all have two choices, we can let him get away with his unpleasantness or we can say something back. I choose the latter because I believe he is using bullying tactics to try and silence people - and he's succeeding. He is using personal attacks to try and shut up anyone who isn't saying 1. I love America and 2. Trump is great. Personally I don't think he shouldn't be on this site, I'm sure there are better ones out there more suited to men like him, and I think this site was nicer before he deigned to grace us with his presence. If we choose to ignore his comments, they still exist and they still look bad and if I were a visitor to this site and saw them, I'd back right off and go somewhere else. He's trying to turn the site into some sort of American Appreciation Society. What most of us are here for is good discussion and that has all but ceased because every thread gets hijacked by him. He's almost a troll. I would like to see all the mud slinging stop but I really can't see that happening. ------------- Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. |
Posted By: Newbie1A
Date Posted: June 04 2020 at 9:36pm
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AMEN! * is everything in between (as written), I haven't been on here much. See something of interest - post it and leave... this type of thread is why... ------------- If it's to be - it's up to me! |
Posted By: Pixie
Date Posted: June 05 2020 at 3:22am
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/05/buffalo-police-officers-suspended-for-pushing-75-year-old-to-ground-during-protests - Two police officers in Buffalo, New York, have been suspended without pay after a video showed them pushing a 75-year-old man to the ground, as protests over the police killing of George Floyd continued into their 10th night. Footage taken by a reporter from a local public radio station and posted online showed the unidentified man approaching a line of officers in riot gear. One officer pushes him with a baton and a second one with his hand. The advancing police line halts when a loud crack is heard as his head hits the pavement, and blood could be seen trickling from the man’s head. |
Posted By: EdwinSm,
Date Posted: June 05 2020 at 3:40am
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52932611" rel="noopener noreferrer - The BBC report states
BTW the man was 75 years old and white - so the brutality is more than just racism. ps. the Police also lied about what happened, until a video of the incident surfaced. |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: June 05 2020 at 4:48am
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Hazelpad, I appologise. Moderating is hard and I am only human. So, sorry! I did move this into politics days ago. I can't help it coming up in "New posts". But it is in politics already. Can we also please drop the personal attacks on AI. Dissagree with his position all you want folks - I sure do, but don't call him names. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: Hazelpad
Date Posted: June 05 2020 at 7:47am
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Technophobe, Thank you for your reply. It is not the "latest posts " section I am talking about. If you go on this site under the section Main Forum you are given 2 choices General Discussion and Latest News. The Latest news still has this thread at the top. That why it's the first thread new people to the forum will read. If you also then go to sub forum under politics this thread also features there. Normally threada moved to PP dont also still appear on main forum. I think some people participating in this topic are thinking they are only posting in the sub forum. For example .take one of Carbon's post when she/he clearly thinks the thread has been moved ....she/ he says "right now this is in PP...let me say... .and he says his emotional piece. So let people talk but it is a very heated debate and I think for everyones sake it should be moved off from main forum. It will give emotional posters some privacy and protection. As I said started as a fantastic post which gave a lot of us non US members insight and better understanding, just it became emotionally charged and difficult to understand and follow. Then the personal attacks. I understand some people say the solution is to not read and just post. I dont treat the forum that way. I thought of it as a community of preppers. As soon as the pandemic actually happened so many have disappeared and others are just shouting at each other. Anyway I have said enough. Please people take care of yourselves. Hz x |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: June 05 2020 at 9:06am
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This is really wierd! I am flummoxed. I don't know why this remained up after moving and as the two threads are linked I do not dare delete the one in the wrong forum. I tried hiding the wrong one - --- - and the one in politics dissapeared as well. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: June 05 2020 at 9:11am
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If at first you don't succeed, try and try again! I managed to remove the rest by moving the whole thread a second time. This time it all went. Phew! ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: Pixie
Date Posted: June 05 2020 at 10:59am
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https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/vigilante-mob-traps-multi-racial-family-in-campground-after-accusing-them-of-being-antifa/ - Police in Clallam County, Washington, are investigating an incident where a family of four was falsely accused of being members of antifa by people at a campsite they were staying at, the https://www.peninsuladailynews.com/crime/family-harassed-in-forks-after-being-accused-of-being-members-of-antifa/ - Peninsula Daily News reports . The family, who is multi-racial, were trapped in the campground after someone cut down trees and placed them across the roadway, preventing their exit from the area. After the family arrived at the campground, they went shopping for camping supplies and confronted “by seven or eight carloads of people in the grocery store parking lot,” according to Sgt. Ed Anderson of the Clallam County Sheriff’s Department. The family told police that at least four vehicles began to follow, some of which contained people carrying assault rifles. When they arrived back at their campsite, they heard gunshots in the distance and decided to leave. That’s when they saw their exit was blocked by the trees. Thankfully, a group of high school students used chainsaws to clear the roadway |
Posted By: Pixie
Date Posted: June 05 2020 at 11:33am
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https://www.washingtonian.com/2020/06/04/video-captures-alleged-bethesda-assault-on-kids-putting-up-anti-racism-flyers/ - https://www.washingtonian.com/2020/06/04/video-captures-alleged-bethesda-assault-on-kids-putting-up-anti-racism-flyers/ On June 1, an unidentified bicyclist on the Capital Crescent Trail allegedly assaulted a group of people, including several kids, who say they were putting up flyers in support of the anti-police-brutality protests, https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/victim-posting-racial-injustice-flyers-assaulted-by-cyclist-on-capital-crescent-trail/2322251/ - according to NBC Washington. Now a video of the incident has emerged, which you can watch below. |