Covid-19 in birds ?????????
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Topic: Covid-19 in birds ?????????
Posted By: Dutch Josh
Subject: Covid-19 in birds ?????????
Date Posted: November 13 2021 at 1:41am
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Source: https://www.fox5dc.com/news/sick-bald-eagles-found-in-carroll-county-state-wildlife-officials-investigating" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border: 0px; font-size: 13px; font-family: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(35, 121, 181); text-decoration: none; - https://www.fox5dc.com/news/sick-bal...-investigating Sick bald eagles found in Carroll County; state wildlife officials investigating Published November 12, 2021 12:26PM Updated 1:19PM Associated Press MANCHESTER, Md. - Five bald eagles were found acting strangely and seemingly sick in northern Maryland, prompting an investigation by state wildlife officials. The Washington Post reports that William Fauntleroy found the birds Sunday in the Manchester area of Carroll County near the Pennsylvania border. He says he saw an eagle near his mailbox that was acting weirdly and appeared unable to fly. The group of birds was feeding on a deer carcass, and one died after flying into a power line... There will be all kind of samples taken from the eagles and being tested. (I hope !) So within a few days we may know IF CoViD-19 could have jumped from deer to eagles eating deer...(I hope they also check the death deer being eaten...It could be another disease !) Still very alarming-even unanswered... ------------- We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. ~Albert Einstein |
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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: November 13 2021 at 2:13am
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MANCHESTER, Md. - Five bald https://www.fox5dc.com/tag/pets-animals" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border-width: 0px 0px 2px; border-top-style: initial; border-right-style: initial; border-bottom-style: solid; border-left-style: initial; border-top-color: initial; border-right-color: initial; border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 167, 204); border-left-color: initial; border-image: initial; font: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; transition: background 0.25s ease-in-out 0s; color: rgb(0, 20, 78); text-decoration: none; - eagles were found acting strangely and seemingly sick in northern https://www.fox5dc.com/tag/us/md" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; border-width: 0px 0px 2px; border-top-style: initial; border-right-style: initial; border-bottom-style: solid; border-left-style: initial; border-top-color: initial; border-right-color: initial; border-bottom-color: rgb(153, 167, 204); border-left-color: initial; border-image: initial; font: inherit; vertical-align: baseline; transition: background 0.25s ease-in-out 0s; color: rgb(0, 20, 78); text-decoration: none; - Maryland , prompting an investigation by state wildlife officials. The Washington Post reports that William Fauntleroy found the birds Sunday in the Manchester area of Carroll County near the Pennsylvania border. He says he saw an eagle near his mailbox that was acting weirdly and appeared unable to fly. The group of birds was feeding on a deer carcass, and one died after flying into a power line. DJ Search at google comes up with a.o. [url]https://wtop.com/maryland/2021/11/4-bald-eagles-are-recovering-from-mysterious-illness-in-md/[/url] or https://wtop.com/maryland/2021/11/4-bald-eagles-are-recovering-from-mysterious-illness-in-md/ - https://wtop.com/maryland/2021/11/4-bald-eagles-are-recovering-from-mysterious-illness-in-md/ She said the deer carcass that the sick birds had been feeding on was buried in the area so that no other wildlife would eat it. Moses also said U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service officials were expected to take samples from the deer carcass for analysis. A spokesperson for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service did not immediately return a call and an email for comment. It’s not exactly clear what caused the eagles, which are a federally protected species, to act oddly, experts said. Some wildlife experts believe it was related to possible poisoning or something unknown in the deer carcass that they were seen eating. Fauntleroy said he believes there was “something toxic” in the deer carcass that sickened the birds. It is not uncommon for bald eagles and other scavenger birds to become ill or die after eating the remains of animals that ingested pesticides or were shot with lead ammunition. Other wildlife experts said they don’t believe the eagles were poisoned by lead because that’s often a slower process. Cole said the Phoenix Wildlife Center also sent samples from the inside of the eagles’ stomachs to https://www.vet.upenn.edu/veterinary-hospitals/NBC-hospital/diagnostic-laboratories/new-bolton-center-padls" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); outline: none; color: rgb(25, 85, 165); text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(213, 213, 213); - a lab in Pennsylvania for analysis. She said she expects that the samples from the deer carcass and the eagles will “yield some clues” as to what happened to the birds. “It’s just too early to call it,” Cole said. “The good news is they’re doing better.” In a https://www.facebook.com/84350774937/photos/a.10152124193834938/10159676411659938" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0); outline: none; color: rgb(25, 85, 165); text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 1px solid rgb(213, 213, 213); - Facebook post Wednesday, officials at the Phoenix Wildlife Center wrote about the eagles that were found “acting erratically,” and they thanked those who helped the birds to get to wildlife rehabilitators. “Was it poison? Was it an algae bloom? Was it something else? We don’t have answers yet,” the post read. DJ Comments mention both farmers and Covid... ------------- We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. ~Albert Einstein |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: November 13 2021 at 1:57pm
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I know we've spoken about this before ,is it at all possible that C19 could recombine with an avianflu ? Technophobe where are you ?need your Brain on this one Take care all 😷😉💉 ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.🖖 Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: November 13 2021 at 2:06pm
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https://asm.org/Articles/2020/July/COVID-19-and-the-Flu - https://asm.org/Articles/2020/July/COVID-19-and-the-Flu Just in case techno still on holiday 😉 ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.🖖 Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: Technophobe
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 3:24am
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I am still around occasionally, but I am not on holiday; I have had enough of moderating!!! Being a moderator/admin means you have to moderate your own behaviour and I would like to be able to call an idiot an idiot!! I have a real problem with anti-vax bull****, which I am absolutely bloody certain will cost lives. Personal freedom should not extend to putting other people's lives at risk; that is why people need driving licences, health and safety officers, firearms controls and laws in general. Vaccines in a pandemic should be no exception to that rule. Yet we here on AFT (respected until now and even relied on in some areas) seemed to be promoting that dangerous, unforgiveable lunacy. In conscience I can't be associated with that, I would never forgive myself. I was also apparently alone for ages in moderating. People get tired you know and I do have a life outside AFT. So don't expect me back in a hurry - I'm, not. Enough about me - to address the question: As a general rule, although cross-species breeding and viral re-assortment occurs, it is exponentially less likely the further appart genetically the species are. So, coronaviruses mix it up with other coronaviruses and influenza viruses get jiggy with other influenzas, but not each other. I would never say: "Impossible!" but very, very, no, - extreemly unlikely. Getting flu and COVID19 at the same time would be very bad news, but for that individual host, not the world in general. As for the eagles: poisoning looks most likely, but the only way to know is to wait for the necropsy of the dead bird, or analysis of the biopsies. The problem with that is that you can't get answers from necropsies or biopsies unless you ask the right question(s). Each chemical, viral, bacterial, prion, algal and fungal agent has to be sought out individually. So, if it was for instance, strychnine poisoning, this would only come to light if the person evaluating the biopsies specifically looked for strychnine. There are so many potential causes to look for, even assuming they are looking for the apposite one, don't hold your breath for an answer. ------------- How do you tell if a politician is lying? His lips or pen are moving. |
Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 5:11am
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Techno-Nice to hear from you again...(I do think several members are still reading-but may have decided not to react...for many reasons...). On moderating any forum-I think it would be a lot of work...Maybe even keeping it simple...some basic rules-one warning-then a week/month ban would still mean a lot of work. As a moderator one could choose another "nickname" (Mod-1, Mod-2 etc.) then used as a member ? Still a lot of work, discussion etc... I try to make sense of this pandemic story-a job on its own ! With birds getting CoViD from eating death deer as a worst case scenario...I expect they will check both the deer and the eagles for that....hoping to exclude it. Still "no news" could mean a lot of things...from no findings=no news to "how to bring bad news".... ------------- We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. ~Albert Einstein |
Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 1:34pm
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HoneyBee08 , not the same article but 'close" [url]https://www.newscientist.com/article/2268379-two-coronavirus-variants-have-merged-heres-what-you-need-to-know/[/url] or https://www.newscientist.com/article/2268379-two-coronavirus-variants-have-merged-heres-what-you-need-to-know/ - https://www.newscientist.com/article/2268379-two-coronavirus-variants-have-merged-heres-what-you-need-to-know/ ; Two variants of the coronavirus first identified in the UK and in California appear to have combined into a https://www.newscientist.com/article/2268014-exclusive-two-variants-have-merged-into-heavily-mutated-coronavirus/" style='box-sizing: inherit; border: 0px; font-family: "PT Serif", Georgia, serif; font-size: 1.0625rem; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(0, 179, 229); text-decoration: none; line-height: 1.5625rem;'>heavily mutated hybrid . This could signal a new phase of the https://www.newscientist.com/definition/covid-19/" style='box-sizing: inherit; border: 0px; font-family: "PT Serif", Georgia, serif; font-size: 1.0625rem; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(0, 179, 229); text-decoration: none; line-height: 1.5625rem;'>covid-19 pandemic, as more hybrid variants may emerge. What exactly has been discovered? So far, a single genome sequence of the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus deposited in a database of thousands from the US. The sequence has tell-tale signs of being a hybrid virus created by a recombination event between two https://www.newscientist.com/definition/new-coronavirus-variants/" style='box-sizing: inherit; border: 0px; font-family: "PT Serif", Georgia, serif; font-size: 1.0625rem; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(0, 179, 229); text-decoration: none; line-height: 1.5625rem;'>different lineages of SARS-CoV-2 . What is a recombination event? Coronaviruses such as SARS-CoV-2 have an evolutionary superpower called “ https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24732993-900-could-the-coronavirus-merge-with-another-virus-to-create-a-new-threat/" style='box-sizing: inherit; border: 0px; font-family: "PT Serif", Georgia, serif; font-size: 1.0625rem; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(0, 179, 229); text-decoration: none; line-height: 1.5625rem;'>recombination ” which allows two closely related viruses to mix-and-match their genomes into novel combinations. Unlike regular mutation, which proceeds slowly one change at a time, recombination can produce wholesale changes in a https://www.newscientist.com/definition/coronavirus/" style='box-sizing: inherit; border: 0px; font-family: "PT Serif", Georgia, serif; font-size: 1.0625rem; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(0, 179, 229); text-decoration: none; line-height: 1.5625rem;'>coronavirus genome in one single swoop. Has the hybrid been detected among actual viruses circulating in people? No, although the sequence is from a virus taken from an infected person, so it is a plausible hypothesis that the recombinant virus is in the community. However, it could have already fizzled out after failing to transmit to other people. The US has relatively low rates of viral sequencing, so it is hard to say either way. There is another possibility: the recombination event may have occurred within the sample after it was taken from the infected person, not while it was inside their body. In which case it is an accidental laboratory artefact, not a wild virus. Could it somehow leak out from the lab? That would be very unlikely. The sample itself, and hence the virus, has almost certainly been destroyed by now, in line with usual safety procedures. If so, all that remains is a sequence of letters in a database. Do we know where and when the sample was taken? No, but southern California in the past month or so is a good guess. It was discovered during an investigation of a recent surge of covid-19 cases in Los Angeles apparently caused by a new SARS-CoV-2 variant called B.1.429. How did New Scientist find out about it? It was reported on 2 February at a https://www.nyas.org/events/2021/webinar-the-quest-for-a-covid-19-vaccine/" style='box-sizing: inherit; border: 0px; font-family: "PT Serif", Georgia, serif; font-size: 1.0625rem; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(0, 179, 229); text-decoration: none; line-height: 1.5625rem;'>virtual scientific conference organised by the New York Academy of Sciences . In a presentation about the outbreak in Los Angeles, Bette Korber of Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico said: “We found at least a single recombinant.” She went on to add further details. For example, she showed a graphical representation of the viral genome showing clearly that it is a mosaic of sequences from two different lineages, which is hard to explain any other way than recombination. The discovery has yet to be published in a scientific journal or posted on a preprint server and Korber declined to comment further. Do we know which lineages recombined? Yes. The hybrid is a mash-up of the https://www.newscientist.com/definition/uk-covid-19-variant-b-1-1-7/" style='box-sizing: inherit; border: 0px; font-family: "PT Serif", Georgia, serif; font-size: 1.0625rem; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(0, 179, 229); text-decoration: none; line-height: 1.5625rem;'>B.1.1.7 variant first detected in Kent, UK, late last year, and the lesser-known B.1.429, which appears to have originated in southern California. Both are known to be circulating in the Los Angeles area. Both of these variants carry mutations on their spike proteins that appear to confer an advantage. B.1.1.7 has one called Δ69/70, which makes the virus more transmissible. B.1.429 has a different one called L452R, which can confer resistance to antibodies. Perhaps worryingly, the hybrid virus carries both. “This kind of event could actually allow the virus to have coupled a more infections virus with a more resistant virus,” Korber said at the conference. How worried should we be? Right now, not very. There is no evidence that the recombinant is being transmitted from person to person, though Korber said it couldn’t be ruled out and that it would be necessary to watch for “expansion” – meaning that the recombinant could appear in the population and then increase in frequency, suggesting it is out-competing existing viruses. But looking forward, we need to add this sort of event to our list of worries. As more genetically distinct variants of SARS-CoV-2 emerge and begin circulating in the same geographical areas, the chances of nasty recombinants increase. This particular recombinant may go nowhere, but it may herald a new phase of the pandemic with recombinants emerging all over the place. Is this a surprise? Not really. Even before SARS-CoV-2 emerged, recombination was recognised as an important agent of evolutionary change in coronaviruses. It is possible that recombination led to https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-0771-4" style='box-sizing: inherit; border: 0px; font-family: "PT Serif", Georgia, serif; font-size: 1.0625rem; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(0, 179, 229); text-decoration: none; line-height: 1.5625rem;'>SARS-CoV-2 emerging in the first place . Virologists warned about recombination quite early on in the covid-19 pandemic, and have been on the lookout for it since. Two analyses published in https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.12.15.422866v1" style='box-sizing: inherit; border: 0px; font-family: "PT Serif", Georgia, serif; font-size: 1.0625rem; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(0, 179, 229); text-decoration: none; line-height: 1.5625rem;'>December and https://observablehq.com/@spond/linkage-disequilibirum-in-sars-cov-2" style='box-sizing: inherit; border: 0px; font-family: "PT Serif", Georgia, serif; font-size: 1.0625rem; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; color: rgb(0, 179, 229); text-decoration: none; line-height: 1.5625rem;'>January independently reported that it hadn’t yet been detected, though that may be because up until then all circulating viruses were so genetically similar that it was impossible to tease out ongoing recombination events from the background noise of normal mutation. However, recently emerged variants, including B.1.1.7 and B.1.429, may be genetically distinct enough that recombination leaves a detectable trace in the genome. How can two different viruses meet up to recombine? In a word, co-infection. In places such as California where two distinct variants are in circulation, individual people can be infected with both at the same time. If individual host cells end up harbouring the two variants, the scene is set for recombination. How exactly does recombination happen? It occurs because the coronavirus enzyme that replicates its genome is prone to slipping off the RNA strand it is copying and then rejoining where it left off. If a host cell contains two different coronavirus genomes, the enzyme can repeatedly jump from one to the other, stitching together a mosaic genome. This is more likely to occur where the two viruses are closely related, but has been documented between quite distantly related coronaviruses. So it isn’t impossible that SARS-CoV-2 could recombine with a common-cold-causing coronavirus, with unknown consequences. As yet that hasn’t been seen. The flu virus also recombines to create new and potentially deadly viral strains. Is it the same process? Not exactly. The influenza genome is carried on eight separate pieces of RNA, rather than the single one in coronaviruses. If a human or animal is co-infected with two different strains of flu, the RNA pieces can be rearranged into new combinations which may go on to become a novel pandemic strain. [url]http://www.recombinomics.com/founder.html[/url] or http://www.recombinomics.com/founder.html - http://www.recombinomics.com/founder.html once had lots of info-also on genomics, recombination...[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Flu_Trends[/url] or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Flu_Trends - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Flu_Trends also has not been replaced... I think CoViD-19 will end up in birds, maybe even fish (by eating virus infected animals-the CoViD-virus has to be able to get into the cells...). In non human hosts CoViD 19 could develop in all kinds of directions...maybe even away from humans...(I think-but again I am NOT an expert !!!). ------------- We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. ~Albert Einstein |
Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 1:39pm
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Techno ,I know you not on holidays ,just trying to prompt you,you know we all love your input x As for the moderator thing ..... Someone ?? made me a moderator!!!!!! That's ok , But be warned If Austria can lockdown unvaxed peeps I can delete posts.......no " ifs" or " buts"...I care not..... Take care all 😷😉💉 PS I said same on DJs post...... ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.🖖 Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: November 14 2021 at 9:10pm
Virtually impossible that fish were the culpritsSo how do scientists know that the new coronavirus didn’t come from fish at the Chinese animal market? “Firstly, fish live in a completely different environment and have a body temperature that coronaviruses aren’t adapted to,” explains Myrmel. The virus particles would also be destroyed quickly in the water, degraded by both sunlight and natural chemical substances.” Fish cells have a different lock and key"Secondly, all viruses need for the cells to have specific receptors on their exterior. They are only compatible with certain receptors to be allowed into the cell to start their reproduction. Like a lock and key," she says. Many mammals share the same “lock” that coronaviruses can open. That is why they have been able to cross species boundaries – both the original SARS virus and the new coronavirus, which is really called SARS CoV-2 (see fact box). Fish cells have different locks. “Theoretically, it isn’t completely impossible that a fish could catch a coronavirus at some point in all foreseable future. But in practice, it probably is,” says Myrmel. Since viruses contain genetic material, it is possible to read their genetic code. That gives us their “autobiography.” In this case, that the virus might have been transmitted from a bat, via a pangolin and probably another mammal, to humans. Coronaviruses are a group of related https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthornavirae" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Orthornavirae - RNA viruses that cause diseases in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammal" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Mammal - mammals and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Bird - birds . In humans and birds, they cause https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respiratory_tract_infection" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Respiratory tract infection - respiratory tract infections that can range from mild to lethal. Mild illnesses in humans include some cases of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Common cold - common cold (which is also caused by other https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Virus - viruses , predominantly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhinovirus" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Rhinovirus - rhinoviruses ), while more lethal varieties can cause https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Severe acute respiratory syndrome - SARS , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East_respiratory_syndrome" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Middle East respiratory syndrome - MERS and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="COVID-19 - COVID-19 . In cows and pigs they cause https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diarrhea" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Diarrhea - diarrhea , while in mice they cause https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepatitis" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Hepatitis - hepatitis and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encephalomyelitis" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Encephalomyelitis - encephalomyelitis . Coronaviruses constitute the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subfamily" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Subfamily - subfamily Orthocoronavirinae, in the family https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronaviridae" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Coronaviridae - Coronaviridae , order https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidovirales" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Nidovirales - Nidovirales and realm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riboviria" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Riboviria - Riboviria . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus#cite_note-OrthocoronavirinaeICTV-3" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none; - [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus#cite_note-FanZhao2019-4" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none; - [4] They are https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enveloped_virus" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Enveloped virus - enveloped viruses with a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive-sense_single-stranded_RNA_virus" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Positive-sense single-stranded RNA virus - positive-sense single-stranded https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="RNA - RNA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genome" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Genome - genome and a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nucleocapsid" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Nucleocapsid - nucleocapsid of helical symmetry. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus#cite_note-5" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none; - [5] The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genome_size" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Genome size - genome size of coronaviruses ranges from approximately 26 to 32 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilobase" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Kilobase - kilobases , one of the largest among RNA viruses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus#cite_note-:1-6" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none; - [6] They have characteristic club-shaped https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peplomer" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Peplomer - spikes that project from their surface, which in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micrograph" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Micrograph - electron micrographs create an image reminiscent of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_corona" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none;" title="Stellar corona - solar corona , from which their name derives. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus#cite_note-:2-7" style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(6, 69, 173); background: none; - [7] that may leave a "backdoor" open...never say never...in table 3; Carp coronavirus so [url]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32159234/[/url] or https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32159234/ - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32159234/ ; AbstractSevere acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)-like coronavirus sequences were identified in two separate complementary DNA (cDNA) pools. The first pool was from a Carassius auratus (crusian carp) cell line and the second was from Ctenopharyngodon idella (grass carp) head kidney tissue. BLAST analysis suggests that these sequences belong to SARS-like coronaviruses, and that they are not evolutionarily conserved in other species. Investigation of the submitting laboratories revealed that two laboratories from the Institute of Hydrobiology at the Chinese Academy of Sciences in Wuhan, China performed the research and submitted the cDNA libraries to GenBank. This institution is very close in proximity to the Wuhan South China Seafood Wholesale Market where SARS-CoV-2 first amplified in the human population. It is possible that these sequences are an artifact of the bioinformatics pipeline that was used. It is also possible that SARS-like coronaviruses are a common environmental pathogen in the region that may be in aquatic habitats. I did "limit my non-sense"...maybe not all the fish may be able to get infected by corona-virusses directly...there are indications even SARS-like corona virus did end up in carp... Can CoViD 19 end up in birds ? We know other corona virusses are widespread in birds...So I think (again) CoViD can end up in birds...possibly making them ill...Will birds spread the virus ? Maybe more by being eaten (by scavengers; cat/dog like, mice/rats ?) then via breathing...aerosol.. But we may soon learn more...CoViD may allready be spreading like crazy in wildlife... ------------- We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. ~Albert Einstein |
Posted By: ViQueen24
Date Posted: November 16 2021 at 9:32pm
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Lol, go get 'em, Carbon! ------------- I am the DZ Queen, and I approve this message. |
carbon20 wrote:Posted By: carbon20
Date Posted: November 17 2021 at 1:55pm
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Hopefully we won't need mods...... After all we adults..... Well physicaly..... Mentally ?????? not sure on that one...... Covid fatigue, playing a big part , But looking at Europe it's not getting any better,in fact it's going to be a bad winter for you lot in the northern hemisphere...... Buckle up,it's going to get very bumpy..... Take care all 😷😉💉 ------------- Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.🖖 Marcus Aurelius |
Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: November 17 2021 at 11:25pm
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DJ i think the most likely scenario... Water buffalo, Sunda pangolins and mink are among the540 mammals predicted to be likely to spread the coronavirus based on their biology and where they live DJ US deer not even mentioned....(in this article that is).... ------------- We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them. ~Albert Einstein |