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Topic: French unrest
Posted By: Dutch Josh
Subject: French unrest
Date Posted: March 17 2023 at 10:34am

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Live at the National Assembly in Paris, a day after the French government decided to force through changes to the pension system without a vote. On Thursday, the Senate passed President Macron’s proposals by 193-144, but the vote in the Assembly was withdrawn at the last minute, with the result believed to be too close to call. French Prime Minister Elisabeth Borne then announced the triggering of Article 49.3, a special constitutional power, to pass the legislation. Regular demonstrations and strikes against the bill, which increases the pension age from 62 to 64, have taken place in recent months, with rallies expected to intensify following the use of the executive power. 
See also; [url]https://www.france24.com/en/france/20230316-a-dog-day-afternoon-in-french-politics-as-macron-uses-nuclear-option-to-raise-retirement-age[/url] or https://www.france24.com/en/france/20230316-a-dog-day-afternoon-in-french-politics-as-macron-uses-nuclear-option-to-raise-retirement-age - https://www.france24.com/en/france/20230316-a-dog-day-afternoon-in-french-politics-as-macron-uses-nuclear-option-to-raise-retirement-age ;

France entered a period of political uncertainty on Thursday as French President Emmanuel Macron rammed a controversial pension reform through parliament without a vote by invoking a special executive measure. With the opposition braced for a no-confidence vote and the unions threatening more strikes, France witnessed a dramatic afternoon in politics.


The scenes in the National Assembly,  https://www.france24.com/en/tag/france/" style="-webkit-box-flex: 0; border: none; box-sizing: border-box; flex: 0 1 auto; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(0, 167, 227); outline: none; text-decoration: none;" target="_self - France ’s lower house of parliament, on Thursday appeared to have been lifted from historical dramas dating back to the country’s revolutionary past.

“Aux armes citoyens, formez vos bataillons,” sang opposition lawmakers as the chamber echoed with the rousing cry of La Marseillaise, the French national anthem, rallying citizens to take up arms and form battalions. “S’il vous plait, s’il vous plait,” pleaded Yaël Braun-Pivet, the speaker of the National Assembly, ineffectually trying to get order in the house.

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Shortly after Borne’s address in the National Assembly on Thursday, Marine Le Pen said her far-right National Rally party would file a no-confidence motion. Communist lawmaker Fabien Roussel said such a motion is “ready” on the left.

For a no-confidence vote to be put to the chamber, the motion must be signed by at least one-tenth of the National Assembly’s 577 deputies.

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However the social fallout of Macron’s latest political gamble is unlikely to increase France’s economic competitiveness while highlighting its exceptionalism as a country deeply committed to maintaining the existing official retirement age.

By Thursday night, thousands of protesters had gathered on Place de la Concorde, across the River Seine from parliament. Police fired tear gas as angry demonstrators hurled cobblestones at security officers. In several other French cities, including Marseille, there were also spontaneous protests against the reform.

French unions called for another day of strikes and action against the reform on Thursday, March 23.

It was just one sign of things to come, according to Herbert. “If you thought things were already tense in France over the past couple of weeks, couple of months, stand by, because passions are about to be even more inflamed,” he warned.

DJ, It is NOT only about pension plans, it is also "politics" out of contact with the public...

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DJ, A "government" spending tens of billions on wars...but rather import HCW-ers then provide decent pay...In France millions deal with Long coViD only to be insulted by a rich "political" elite...Inflation in many countries does not see pay rise to cover it...



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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
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Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: March 19 2023 at 4:07am



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DJ...lots of strikes, protests are expected....The position of Macron is becoming very hard....(but he may not yet step down...).

[url]https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230318-what-could-be-next-after-macron-s-use-of-nuclear-option-to-pass-unpopular-pension-reform[/url] or https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230318-what-could-be-next-after-macron-s-use-of-nuclear-option-to-pass-unpopular-pension-reform - https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230318-what-could-be-next-after-macron-s-use-of-nuclear-option-to-pass-unpopular-pension-reform ;

In the wake of Borne’s citation of 49.3 as opposition deputies sang La Marseillaise, France’s national anthem, and held placards saying “no!” to a retirement age of 64, deputies from two parliamentary groups tabled votes of no confidence in the cabinet she leads. The first came from the LIOT group (for Libertés, Indépendants, Outre-mer et Territoires) composed of centrists and moderates, and the second came from Marine Le Pen’s far-right National Rally (Rassemblement National or RN).

Cosigned by the leftist NUPES group, the LIOT group’s multiparty motion is giving the government more cause for concern. It could receive support from other members of the left, the far right and even those members of the center-right Les Républicains (LR), who want to bring down the government and its pension reform. The small LIOT group thus finds itself at a pivot point amid opposition to Macron from both right and the left.

DJ, Both in parliament and "on the street" the Macron-regime may have lost support...



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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein

Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: March 25 2023 at 2:14am

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DJ, prices increase much more then income does...So lots of French-other-people run into all kinds of problems because "politics want war"...


DJ, the only reason macron still is in power is division between left and right wing opposition...Like in most other western "democrazies"....

[url]https://www.france24.com/en/france/20230324-use-of-force-signals-crisis-of-authority-as-france-s-pension-battle-turns-to-unrest[/url] or https://www.france24.com/en/france/20230324-use-of-force-signals-crisis-of-authority-as-france-s-pension-battle-turns-to-unrest - https://www.france24.com/en/france/20230324-use-of-force-signals-crisis-of-authority-as-france-s-pension-battle-turns-to-unrest ;

Fury at President Emmanuel Macron’s decision to bypass parliament on pension reform has sparked days of unrest across the country, reviving scrutiny of police’s heavy-handed tactics and leaving French cities shrouded in tear gas and smoke – with no end in sight to an increasingly bitter standoff.


First an epic tussle with the unions, then a bitter standoff in parliament, and now a full-blown crisis in the streets: France’s festering  https://www.france24.com/en/france/20230317-bitter-pension-battle-turns-to-democratic-crisis-as-macron-bypasses-french-parliament" style="-webkit-box-flex: 0; border: none; box-sizing: border-box; flex: 0 1 auto; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(0, 167, 227); outline: none; text-decoration: none;" target="_self - pension dispute took a turn for the worse this week, with protests against  https://www.france24.com/en/tag/emmanuel-macron/" style="-webkit-box-flex: 0; border: none; box-sizing: border-box; flex: 0 1 auto; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(0, 167, 227); outline: none; text-decoration: none;" target="_self - Macron ’s deeply unpopular plans hardening and escalating amid scenes of chaos in Paris and other cities.

DJ..the basic problem in most of the "west" is the gap between politics and voters...Governments doing things most of the population is fed up with...

We have a "public crisis"; public health, education, housing, transport privatized and becoming to expensive for to many...Communication-issues; politics going for "double talk" and denial/blame games...NOT solutions while increasing their pay...



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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein

Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: April 06 2023 at 6:50am

French dictator macron now in Bejing....[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY549WDE8n0[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY549WDE8n0 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY549WDE8n0 the unrest keeps worsening...over lots of issues...not only pensions...a;so on macron as another US puppet sending billions to a corrupt Ukraine junta...Climate protests...inflation, housing,

DJ-We could soon end up with people getting killed in this uprising...

[url]https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230406-%F0%9F%94%B4-live-france-gripped-by-11th-day-of-pension-protests[/url] or https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230406-%F0%9F%94%B4-live-france-gripped-by-11th-day-of-pension-protests - https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230406-%F0%9F%94%B4-live-france-gripped-by-11th-day-of-pension-protests ;

Protesters disrupted vehicle traffic at Paris's main airport and police fired clouds of teargas in other French cities as people marched in their thousands in a new round of strikes and nationwide demonstrations Thursday, seeking to get President Emmanuel Macron to scrap pension reforms that have ignited a months-long firestorm of public anger. Follow FRANCE 24’s live blog for all the latest developments.


Hundreds of thousands of people are expected to take to the streets for the 11th day of protests against French pension reforms on Thursday. Walkouts are expected to impact the transport, education, health and energy sectors, with petrol shortages hitting particularly hard in Paris.

(live blog);


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In the tweet below, Paris police have published some of the arms they have found on protesters, including knives, box cutters and hand flares.

DJ, Tear gas, rubber bullets can kill...fires kill, knives kill...things are getting out of control now in France-soon in many other places...

Violence kills...besides that states are "great in violence"...so stop violence please !



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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein

Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: April 13 2023 at 1:15am

DJ Another day again of protests in France [url]https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230413-france-to-witness-12th-nationwide-day-of-protests-against-macron-s-pension-law[/url] or https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230413-france-to-witness-12th-nationwide-day-of-protests-against-macron-s-pension-law - https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230413-france-to-witness-12th-nationwide-day-of-protests-against-macron-s-pension-law ;

French unions have called on workers to walk off the job and join protest rallies on Thursday for a twelfth nationwide day of protests against a bill that will make the French work longer.

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This newest wave of protests takes place a day before Friday's much-awaited verdict by the Constitutional Council on the legality of the bill.

If the Council gives its green light, even with some caveats, the government will be entitled to officially promulgate the law, and will hope this will eventually put an end to protests, which have at times turned violent, and coalesced widespread anger against Macron.

(I left out the line; But industrial action has lost steam, and the latest rallies have gathered fewer people than the record crowds seen earlier this year that brought millions of protesters out on the streets. DJ, France24, like the bbc, is tax funded...claim to be "free" and "objective")....



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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein

Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: May 01 2023 at 8:58am

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqyKARBBZ7w[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqyKARBBZ7w - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqyKARBBZ7w NowThisNews-Workers day protests in Paris...

DJ-My impression-more violent than "normal"...water canons/teargas, police charges wounding (innocent) people that all of a sudden find themselves in the way...This can escalate...

[url]https://www.france24.com/en/france/20230501-%F0%9F%94%B4-live-france-faces-major-labour-day-protests-over-macron-s-pension-reform[/url] or https://www.france24.com/en/france/20230501-%F0%9F%94%B4-live-france-faces-major-labour-day-protests-over-macron-s-pension-reform - https://www.france24.com/en/france/20230501-%F0%9F%94%B4-live-france-faces-major-labour-day-protests-over-macron-s-pension-reform ;

Police fired teargas in Paris and other cities as protesters turned out for May Day rallies across France on Monday amid anger over the passage of President Emmanuel Macron’s unpopular pension reform. Follow FRANCE 24’s live blog for all the latest developments. All times are Paris time (GMT+2).


DJ, [url]https://www.france24.com/en/france/20230131-not-just-about-pensions-french-protesters-see-threat-to-social-justice-in-macron-s-reform[/url] or https://www.france24.com/en/france/20230131-not-just-about-pensions-french-protesters-see-threat-to-social-justice-in-macron-s-reform - https://www.france24.com/en/france/20230131-not-just-about-pensions-french-protesters-see-threat-to-social-justice-in-macron-s-reform ;

Though police and union figures differed, all agreed the number of demonstrators had  https://www.france24.com/en/france/20230131-strikes-over-pension-reform-set-to-disrupt-france-for-second-time-in-a-month" style="-webkit-box-flex: 0; border: none; box-sizing: border-box; flex: 0 1 auto; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(0, 167, 227); outline: none; text-decoration: none;" target="_self - increased compared to a first round of protests on January 19, piling pressure on a government that is struggling to convince voters of the need for a pension overhaul that includes raising the legal retirement age from 62 to 64.

In  https://www.france24.com/en/tag/paris/" style="-webkit-box-flex: 0; border: none; box-sizing: border-box; flex: 0 1 auto; margin: 0px; padding: 0px; color: rgb(0, 167, 227); outline: none; text-decoration: none;" target="_self - Paris , where an estimated half a million people took to the streets, tens of thousands of marchers were still waiting to set off as daylight faded on the sprawling Place d’Italie, several hours after the event kicked off. Reflecting the extent of opposition to the reform, the mass rally included both veteran unionists and novices, young and old, including some who said they had never attended a protest before.

“I never used to protest, but this time the government is pushing too far,” said 58-year-old Geraldine, a lab technician at the nearby Pitié-Salpetrière hospital, who declined to give her full name.

“I’ve worked 38 years already, [Covid] pandemic included, and I’m absolutely exhausted,” she said. “It’s not just two more years that the government wants us to work. It’s two more years under ever worsening conditions – and at an age when most of us are no longer fit for the job.”

for that matter The Duran [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tau7fGHiNxc[/url] or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tau7fGHiNxc - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tau7fGHiNxc on the "Uni-party" in the UK may describe a crisis in most western countries-politics no longer in contact with the public...no real "opposition"...to much corruption...

DJ-I expect we may see lots of protests soon in lots of western countries....

Max van Vlietif you vote for the lesser of two evils, evil still wins

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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein

Posted By: Dutch Josh
Date Posted: June 30 2023 at 12:57pm

[url]https://www.brusselstimes.com/brussels-2/580149/death-of-nahel-64-arrested-in-brussels-as-mass-riots-spread-over-france[/url] or https://www.brusselstimes.com/brussels-2/580149/death-of-nahel-64-arrested-in-brussels-as-mass-riots-spread-over-france - https://www.brusselstimes.com/brussels-2/580149/death-of-nahel-64-arrested-in-brussels-as-mass-riots-spread-over-france ;

A total of 64 people were arrested in the incidents that took place in Brussels on Thursday evening in protest over the https://www.brusselstimes.com/576494/angry-protests-near-paris-after-teenager-killed-by-police" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-weight: 600; font-size: inherit; color: var(--primary); transition: var(--transition) color; text-decoration: none; line-height: inherit; - shooting of a 17-year-old by a police officer in France.

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Situation in France


During another night of riots in Paris and several other French cities, 667 people were arrested during the night from Thursday to Friday, French Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin announced.

A total of 40,000 police officers and gendarmes were deployed to deal with violence, four times more than the number of security forces deployed the night before.

French President Emmanuel Macron will preside over the second inter-ministerial crisis cell in two days on Friday afternoon at 13:00 following the unrest in several French cities. For this meeting, he may have to return earlier from the https://www.brusselstimes.com/573450/parts-of-european-quarter-to-be-closed-off-during-eu-summit-this-week" style="box-sizing: border-box; font-weight: 600; font-size: inherit; color: var(--primary); transition: var(--transition) color; text-decoration: none; line-height: inherit; - European summit held in Brussels on Thursday and Friday.

Meanwhile, the police officer who fired the shot has apologised to Nahel's family, his lawyer, Master Laurent-Franck Liénard, said on BFMTV. The officer in question has been charged with voluntary manslaughter and remanded in custody.

DJ, French traffic police killed 13 people in 2022...racism is a major problem in lots of police forces both in Europe and "America"....



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We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.
~Albert Einstein


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